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What does the confederate flag mean to you? (1 Viewer)

tdoss said:
trogg78 said:
Some marine friends on facebook are using the meme we should be more concerned with ISIS than the condederate flag. I don't understand what one has to do with the other. Does anyone know what they mean?
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I think it's noting how were constantly focused on these shiny objects of misdirection...the political shell game.

We're arguing over a flag...all the while...there are REAL threats out there to be more concerned about.

This flag didn't motivate or cause this nutjob to shoot up that church but as long as it makes people feel like we've done "something"...I guess that's all that matters.

It's like having the "black lives matter" movement/rally anywhere but Chicago first and foremost. Or arguing gun control after this church shooting...again...ignoring what's happening in our inner cities that supposedly have stricter gun control already.

We keep chasing carrots...while plowing the field.
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I would be willing to bet that literally not one human being has expressed anything close to this sentiment.

 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that those who should be focused on ISIS aren't getting distracted by the Confederate flag debate. Aunt Helen posting about the flag on Facebook probably isn't going to get us killed.

 
MattFancy said:
tdoss said:
trogg78 said:
Some marine friends on facebook are using the meme we should be more concerned with ISIS than the condederate flag. I don't understand what one has to do with the other. Does anyone know what they mean?
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I think it's noting how were constantly focused on these shiny objects of misdirection...the political shell game.We're arguing over a flag...all the while...there are REAL threats out there to be more concerned about.

This flag didn't motivate or cause this nutjob to shoot up that church but as long as it makes people feel like we've done "something"...I guess that's all that matters.

It's like having the "black lives matter" movement/rally anywhere but Chicago first and foremost. Or arguing gun control after this church shooting...again...ignoring what's happening in our inner cities that supposedly have stricter gun control already.

We keep chasing carrots...while plowing the field.
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Now I agree that the flag is in the wrong thing to chase here, but it's not like it is something that should just be ignored either. Bigger fish to fry for sure. But why can't the flag be an issue and also stopping ISIS?
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Agreed...I just think they're commenting on how the American public focuses and uses so much energy chasing a bunch of smaller things without getting real about the larger issues.

 
TobiasFunke said:
tdoss said:
trogg78 said:
Some marine friends on facebook are using the meme we should be more concerned with ISIS than the condederate flag. I don't understand what one has to do with the other. Does anyone know what they mean?
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I think it's noting how were constantly focused on these shiny objects of misdirection...the political shell game.We're arguing over a flag...all the while...there are REAL threats out there to be more concerned about.

This flag didn't motivate or cause this nutjob to shoot up that church but as long as it makes people feel like we've done "something"...I guess that's all that matters.

It's like having the "black lives matter" movement/rally anywhere but Chicago first and foremost. Or arguing gun control after this church shooting...again...ignoring what's happening in our inner cities that supposedly have stricter gun control already.

We keep chasing carrots...while plowing the field.
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I would be willing to bet that literally not one human being has expressed anything close to this sentiment.
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My bad Tobias...

Is it safe to assume you are a former Marine or at least former military...and can therefore give an informed opinion on what these few Marine's motivation for posting this was?

If not...no worries...I can still value your opinion...pray tell...what do you think was their motivation for posting that was?

 
tdoss said:
TobiasFunke said:
tdoss said:
trogg78 said:
Some marine friends on facebook are using the meme we should be more concerned with ISIS than the condederate flag. I don't understand what one has to do with the other. Does anyone know what they mean?
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I think it's noting how were constantly focused on these shiny objects of misdirection...the political shell game.We're arguing over a flag...all the while...there are REAL threats out there to be more concerned about.

This flag didn't motivate or cause this nutjob to shoot up that church but as long as it makes people feel like we've done "something"...I guess that's all that matters.

It's like having the "black lives matter" movement/rally anywhere but Chicago first and foremost. Or arguing gun control after this church shooting...again...ignoring what's happening in our inner cities that supposedly have stricter gun control already.

We keep chasing carrots...while plowing the field.
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I would be willing to bet that literally not one human being has expressed anything close to this sentiment.
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My bad Tobias...

Is it safe to assume you are a former Marine or at least former military...and can therefore give an informed opinion on what these few Marine's motivation for posting this was?

If not...no worries...I can still value your opinion...pray tell...what do you think was their motivation for posting that was?
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I assume their motivation was to point out that we should care about ISIS and not confederate flags because they (wrongly) seem to think we can only care about one?

I'm not sure why you ask, though. "I guess that's all that matters" were your words, not theirs. Whether you're graciously interpreting their words for us when you say that or offering your own opinion, my criticism of the statement still stands: nobody thinks that's all that matters.

 
TobiasFunke said:
matttyl said:
Chadstroma said:
Just take down the Confederate battle flag and fly the first Confederate flag. If you don't point it out almost no one will realize the actual first Confederate flag is indeed the first Confederate flag and maybe just an early version of the stars and stripes.
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Not with today's media.
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That darn news media, always ruining things by educating people about things they previously may not have known about. :kicksrock:
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:shrug: I had to do the same with you when you continued to call the battle flag "the stars and bars". Can you imagine the headlines? The "southern cross" goes down, the "stars and bars" goes up.

 
I'm hearing rumblings that putting up this flag on private property is being touted as hate speech.

Just saw a petition to take the flag down from someone's yard in VA because motorists can see it from freeway.

Same thing in Tampa where the Mayor wants citizen to remove his flag.

And then there's this article on huffpost.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7657248

"...public display"

So I assume that means in your yard where anyone else can see?

 
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tdoss said:
I'm hearing rumblings that putting up this flag on private property is being touted as hate speech.

Just saw a petition to take the flag down from someone's yard in VA because motorists can see it from freeway.

Same thing in Tampa where the Mayor wants citizen to remove his flag.

And then there's this article on huffpost.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7657248

"...public display"

So I assume that means in your yard where anyone else can see?
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Far too often, the First Amendment is used to protect inflammatory speech even though the law allows for punishment of speech that is intended to incite imminent lawless action such as the Charleston massacre.
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Well, what could possibly go wrong...

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
tdoss said:
I'm hearing rumblings that putting up this flag on private property is being touted as hate speech.

Just saw a petition to take the flag down from someone's yard in VA because motorists can see it from freeway.

Same thing in Tampa where the Mayor wants citizen to remove his flag.

And then there's this article on huffpost.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7657248

"...public display"

So I assume that means in your yard where anyone else can see?
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Far too often, the First Amendment is used to protect inflammatory speech even though the law allows for punishment of speech that is intended to incite imminent lawless action such as the Charleston massacre.
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Well, what could possibly go wrong...
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So everyone who's flying a Confederate flag intends to incite imminent lawlessness?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
tdoss said:
I'm hearing rumblings that putting up this flag on private property is being touted as hate speech.

Just saw a petition to take the flag down from someone's yard in VA because motorists can see it from freeway.

Same thing in Tampa where the Mayor wants citizen to remove his flag.

And then there's this article on huffpost.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7657248

"...public display"

So I assume that means in your yard where anyone else can see?
Click to expand...
Far too often, the First Amendment is used to protect inflammatory speech even though the law allows for punishment of speech that is intended to incite imminent lawless action such as the Charleston massacre.
Click to expand...
Well, what could possibly go wrong...
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Ah, now we're onto the next part of the agenda, hate speech laws. I thought it would take a bit longer.

 
GoFishTN said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
tdoss said:
I'm hearing rumblings that putting up this flag on private property is being touted as hate speech.

Just saw a petition to take the flag down from someone's yard in VA because motorists can see it from freeway.

Same thing in Tampa where the Mayor wants citizen to remove his flag.

And then there's this article on huffpost.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7657248

"...public display"

So I assume that means in your yard where anyone else can see?
Click to expand...
Far too often, the First Amendment is used to protect inflammatory speech even though the law allows for punishment of speech that is intended to incite imminent lawless action such as the Charleston massacre.
Click to expand...
Well, what could possibly go wrong...
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Ah, now we're onto the next part of the agenda, hate speech laws. I thought it would take a bit longer.
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You guys really need to lay off talk radio

 
BustedKnuckles said:
matuski said:
roadkill1292 said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
OH COME ON http://i.imgur.com/93ojqr9.png
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The driver saw me taking pictures, laughed and waved as I passed. :(
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We all realize that is not the confederate flag right? :lmao:
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BOLLOCKS !!!!!!
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Gotta love the Lobsterbacks! ;) The Limeys call us "Septics". The Aussies shortened it down to "Seppos".

Why?

Cockney rhyming.

"Septic tanks equals Yanks".

Totally serious.

 
Fennis said:
GoFishTN said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
tdoss said:
I'm hearing rumblings that putting up this flag on private property is being touted as hate speech.

Just saw a petition to take the flag down from someone's yard in VA because motorists can see it from freeway.

Same thing in Tampa where the Mayor wants citizen to remove his flag.

And then there's this article on huffpost.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7657248

"...public display"

So I assume that means in your yard where anyone else can see?
Click to expand...
Far too often, the First Amendment is used to protect inflammatory speech even though the law allows for punishment of speech that is intended to incite imminent lawless action such as the Charleston massacre.
Click to expand...
Well, what could possibly go wrong...
Click to expand...
Ah, now we're onto the next part of the agenda, hate speech laws. I thought it would take a bit longer.
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You guys really need to lay off talk radio
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You know what's funny about this, I don't actually listen to talk radio (NPR in the morning and drive home, sports, music), most of this stuff comes from bing/google News when you search for updates on Roof and the murders. We haven't learned much if anything new about Roof since his arrest but I am guessing his computer will unlock the secrets of where his hate came from. As for the flag, this is where the conversation is now.

But the funny part is that the only thing I know did come from the radio is the below (and yes this came from bing news search but the author is a talk radio host):

SaintsInDome2006 said:
Why the Deliberate Focus on the Confederate Flag is Derailing the Real Conversation About Race in AmericaDo not adjust your screen. That is not the Confederate flag. In 1976, Black attorney Ted Landsmark was speared with the other red, white and blue flag in Boston. Racist rage over school desegregation and busing impaled Landsmark. These white Bostonians harbored anxieties similar to those attributed to suspected South Carolina killer Dylann Storm Roof. Both parties loathed the prospect of Black children being educated alongside whites and rejected nonviolence.

But no one blamed the Boston assault on Old Glory. The Confederate flag has been less fortunate.

After failures to indict the white killers of Eric Garner, Michael Brown Jr., John Crawford III and untold Black victims, the secessionist battle flag is a convicted racist. For the first time in history, a flagpole is under the bus.

Mitt Romney, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, South Carolina State Rep. Doug Brannon and a host of “well-meaning” whites have made the Confederate flag an accomplice in the Mother Emanuel AME massacre. This insulting façade obscures the pathology of white culture, which guarantees the production of Dylan Storm Roofs and complementary white power paraphernalia.

To remove the Confederate flag from the South Carolina state house would require walking past the monument to former governor, United States senator, co-founder of Clemson University and “anti-Black terrorist” Benjamin “Pitchfork” Tillman. Cynthia R. Greenlee describes Tillman as one of Roof’s “spiritual ancestors,” who was equally unhinged about the prospect of “Black men and white women in ‘sexual congress.’” In a 1909 speech, Tillman makes his views crystal clear, pledging support for “terrorizing the Negroes at the first opportunity by letting them provoke trouble and then having the whites demonstrate their superiority by killing as many of them as was justifiable.”

...Jack Townes is a Selma native, 21, and Black. After discovering the namesake of the bridge, Townes and a group of activists labored to rename the structure.

Pardon the redundancy.

They failed. Edmund Pettus Bridge remains because the manifesto attributed to Roof states correctly that, “Blacks are subconsciously viewed by white people [as] lower beings.” Which necessitates a world dedicated to white supremacy. It’s insulting to reduce a concept that has ruled and contaminated this planet for centuries to a 21-year-old white boy and a glorified stitch of cloth.

North Carolina NAACP President the Rev. Dr. William Barber denounced the Confederate flag as vulgar, but added that, “To suggest… taking a symbol down is sufficient to honor nine deaths… is to diminish those lives.” The Rev. Barber recognizes 2015 anti-Black policies and practices that are far more hazardous than Civil War memorabilia. Discarding the Confederate flag leaves contemporary mechanisms of racism intact.

Flags don’t produce racism. White thoughts, speech and actions nourish and maintain white power. The removal of apartheid statues and “whites only” signs demonstrates that white people can efficiently preserve the systemic exploitation of Black people without blatant markers. It’s unlikely a South Carolina void of Confederate flags would have preserved and valued the lives of shooting victim Walter Scott or the Emanuel 9.

Dylann Roof is not a Confederate killer. He and Chris Kyle are American snipers, the most recent generation of white killers. At minimum, this tragedy should permanently clarify our grasp of white pathology and heighten our suspicion of all white folks. Even, those like Kyle, who insist that, “Americans [respect] houses of worship as sacred and therefore [are] reluctant to attack there.”

Gus T. Renegade is the host of The C.O.W.S. Talk Radio – a platform designed to dissect and counter racism. He has interviewed and researched authors, filmmakers and scholars from around the globe.
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http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/06/24/deliberate-focus-confederate-flags-derailing-real-conversation-white-supremacy/

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timschochet said:
I heard a great suggestion for South Carolina on the radio: replace the Confederate flag with the Palmetto flag.

The Palmetto flag embodies all of the stuff defenders of the battle flag claim to care about: pride in state and southern heritage, etc. And it has nothing to do with slavery or secession; its a revolutionary war flag.
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Tim does listen to talk radio apparently...

 
I did see this on msnbc though, a report by Maddow on what is truly a grotesque (and I'm not just talking about the subject matter, I'm talking about the actual art) statue in Nashville:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/06/24/rachel-maddow-talks-interstate-65-nathan-bedford-forrest-statue/29209305/

This is the same subject as the confederate flag on private property issue (like in the OP, from 2006, "A few blocks away from my house there is a house on a corner that planted a homemade flagpole on the corner of his property and flys a confederate flag. This flag flys day and night. No big trees nearby, so its very easy to see while driving down either street. Whats the FBG play here?"), writ large.

Btw this story is something else, the "artist" was the former attorney for James Ray, the assassin of Martin King.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I did see this on msnbc though, a report by Maddow on what is truly a grotesque (and I'm not just talking about the subject matter, I'm talking about the actual art) statue in Nashville:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/06/24/rachel-maddow-talks-interstate-65-nathan-bedford-forrest-statue/29209305/

This is the same subject as the confederate flag on private property issue (like in the OP, from 2006, "A few blocks away from my house there is a house on a corner that planted a homemade flagpole on the corner of his property and flys a confederate flag. This flag flys day and night. No big trees nearby, so its very easy to see while driving down either street. Whats the FBG play here?"), writ large.

Btw this story is something else, the "artist" was the former attorney for James Ray, the assassin of Martin King.
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:lmao: what a stupid looking statue

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I did see this on msnbc though, a report by Maddow on what is truly a grotesque (and I'm not just talking about the subject matter, I'm talking about the actual art) statue in Nashville:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/06/24/rachel-maddow-talks-interstate-65-nathan-bedford-forrest-statue/29209305/

This is the same subject as the confederate flag on private property issue (like in the OP, from 2006, "A few blocks away from my house there is a house on a corner that planted a homemade flagpole on the corner of his property and flys a confederate flag. This flag flys day and night. No big trees nearby, so its very easy to see while driving down either street. Whats the FBG play here?"), writ large.

Btw this story is something else, the "artist" was the former attorney for James Ray, the assassin of Martin King.
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:lmao: what a stupid looking statue
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It's really something.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I did see this on msnbc though, a report by Maddow on what is truly a grotesque (and I'm not just talking about the subject matter, I'm talking about the actual art) statue in Nashville:

http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/06/24/rachel-maddow-talks-interstate-65-nathan-bedford-forrest-statue/29209305/

This is the same subject as the confederate flag on private property issue (like in the OP, from 2006, "A few blocks away from my house there is a house on a corner that planted a homemade flagpole on the corner of his property and flys a confederate flag. This flag flys day and night. No big trees nearby, so its very easy to see while driving down either street. Whats the FBG play here?"), writ large.

Btw this story is something else, the "artist" was the former attorney for James Ray, the assassin of Martin King.
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The guy who started the KKK and also murdered a group of Union soldiers who had surrendered? What a great way to commemorate his life!!!

 
cstu said:
In The Zone said:
NorvilleBarnes said:
Protester takes down confederate flag at SC state house.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/27/woman-climbs-flagpole-removes-confederate-flag-in-front-sc-statehouse/
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I live 8 miles from the flag and want it to come down but not like that. That woman isn't even from this state. I hope she serves a full sentence and fine.
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Didn't know you had to be from a certain state to protest.
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I don't know why someone from another state gives a rats ### what is on my stateshouse grounds.

 
In The Zone said:
cstu said:
In The Zone said:
NorvilleBarnes said:
Protester takes down confederate flag at SC state house.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/27/woman-climbs-flagpole-removes-confederate-flag-in-front-sc-statehouse/
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I live 8 miles from the flag and want it to come down but not like that. That woman isn't even from this state. I hope she serves a full sentence and fine.
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Didn't know you had to be from a certain state to protest.
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I don't know why someone from another state gives a rats ### what is on my stateshouse grounds.
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When that 'someone' is a black person and the 'what' is a symbol of slavery and racism I think it's rather obvious why.

I would donate to fund to pay the fines so that people can take down that flag every day until it's permanently removed.

ETA: It's already set up:

An Indiegogo campaign launched by supporters to raise money for Newsome’s legal fees raised more than $4,500 in two hours.

 
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