What draft pick would you give for Roy Williams in a dynasty league? (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I was reading a post in the Asst. Coach forum about Roy Williams draft choice value and thought this would be a nice poll in the Shark Pool. Given the recent TO news, I recommend RW owners to cash in should TO get cut. I feel RW was and is overrated, and that his value would never be higher if this happens. I put his "real" value at an early 2nd right now. However, his market value would go up should TO get cut, even if his "real" value isn't worth a 1st rounder.

 

[NorrisB]

2.05-2.08 for me. Non IDP

In an idp league about the 20-30th pick or so.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

2.05-2.08 for me.In an idp league about the 20th pick or so.

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

 

[NorrisB]

2.05-2.08 for me.In an idp league about the 20th pick or so.

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

2004	  23	  DET	  WR	  14	  12	  54	  817	  15.1	  8	  46	  3.9	  58.4	  1	  1	  0	  1	  1.0	  0.1	  0.1	  818	  8	  12005 	24 	DET 	WR 	13 	12 	45 	687 	15.3 	8 	51 	3.5 	52.8 								687 	8 	02006* 	25 	DET 	WR 	16 	16 	82 	1310 	16.0 	7 	60 	5.1 	81.9 	2 	2 	0 	2 	1.0 	0.1 	0.1 	1312 	7 	22007 	26 	DET 	WR 	12 	12 	64 	838 	13.1 	5 	91 	5.3 	69.8 	2 	1 	0 	9 	0.5 	0.1 	0.2 	839 	5 	22008 	27 	2TM 		26 		36 	430 	11.9 	2 	38 	1.4 	16.5 	1 	13 	0 	13 	13.0 	0.5 	0.0 	443 	2 	0

Look at those stats, he's been completely useless for 4/5 seasons.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

2.05-2.08 for me.In an idp league about the 20th pick or so.

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

2004	  23	  DET	  WR	  14	  12	  54	  817	  15.1	  8	  46	  3.9	  58.4	  1	  1	  0	  1	  1.0	  0.1	  0.1	  818	  8	  12005 	24 	DET 	WR 	13 	12 	45 	687 	15.3 	8 	51 	3.5 	52.8 								687 	8 	02006* 	25 	DET 	WR 	16 	16 	82 	1310 	16.0 	7 	60 	5.1 	81.9 	2 	2 	0 	2 	1.0 	0.1 	0.1 	1312 	7 	22007 	26 	DET 	WR 	12 	12 	64 	838 	13.1 	5 	91 	5.3 	69.8 	2 	1 	0 	9 	0.5 	0.1 	0.2 	839 	5 	22008 	27 	2TM 		26 		36 	430 	11.9 	2 	38 	1.4 	16.5 	1 	13 	0 	13 	13.0 	0.5 	0.0 	443 	2 	0

Look at those stats, he's been completely useless for 4/5 seasons.

You must have owned him and not got out of him what you wanted. Cause I would not call that "useless".Jerry is too much of an egomaniac to make sure Roy gets his targets.And besides, those stats were in Detroit... I think that means something.

 

[NorrisB]

^^Im pretty unbiased about the player I think. I own him in one league I got him for peanuts in and was thinking about acquiring him in another and than reselling him later. And yes those are useless, you could find that type of player on the WW pretty easily 4/5 seasons, actually the WW player would be better because you wouldnt be married to the player and have to hold him when he puts up seasons like 08'.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I think mid second. He was the WR1 in Detroit and still could not elevate his game above WR29 (in all but one yr) so we should we assume that now. I caught grief last offeseason/preseason for having him ranked at WR29. Roy is not consistent. He is not startable most weeks, so should he be worth more?

 

[Futeki]

I think mid second. He was the WR1 in Detroit and still could not elevate his game above WR29 (in all but one yr) so we should we assume that now. I caught grief last offeseason/preseason for having him ranked at WR29. Roy is not consistent. He is not startable most weeks, so should he be worth more?

Rare WRs are "consistent".Ignore PPG (and situation) at your own peril.Due to potential, a mid 2nd is appropriate.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Let's see...

27 years old and plays in a dynamite offense, with a very solid young QB.

From 2005-2007 (his 2nd-4th years in the league) here are the only guys ahead of him in cumulative PPG:

Terrell Owens

Steve Smith

Larry Fitzgerald

Chad Johnson

T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Torry Holt

Anquan Boldin

Marvin Harrison

Marques Colston

Reggie Wayne

Randy Moss

Andre Johnson

Donald Driver

Hines Ward

Plaxico Burress

Roy Williams

Yeah, he's a bum.

 

[EBF]

I turned down 1.12 for him in a PPR dynasty. I would want something in the top 7.

His career has been a bit of a disappointment, but do you really think your odds are better with Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks?

Williams was a top 10 pick and we know he's capable of 1,000+ yards at the pro level.

 

[NorrisB]

He's had one decent year, thats not cutting it for me. Plus he's injury prone. He's out played by Dallas' 3rd and 4th receivers almost all year

if owens isnt cut (which isnt JJs style anyway), he's the 3rd or 4th target with some very good WRs Austin and Crayton to share with. He would be looking

at 700 yds most likely. If you put the o/u on 850, Id take the under.

 

[Trey]

Here's the problem with Roy in dynasty. If you have him you aren't going to part with him for anything less than a Top of the first half of the 1st pick. If you are targeting Roy you aren't willing to part with anything more than a very late 1st.

 

[coolnerd]

I turned down 1.12 for him in a PPR dynasty. I would want something in the top 7.His career has been a bit of a disappointment, but do you really think your odds are better with Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks?Williams was a top 10 pick and we know he's capable of 1,000+ yards at the pro level.

In terms of value, I think he is probably more a hold than anything else, especially if he is your WR 3/4. I doubt you will get more than the late 1 offer for him or some two 2nds type thing, but has teased enough as a pro for an owner to want a top 10 type pick for him. Probably better able to get value for him in a package deal than straight out.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I turned down 1.12 for him in a PPR dynasty. I would want something in the top 7.His career has been a bit of a disappointment, but do you really think your odds are better with Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks?Williams was a top 10 pick and we know he's capable of 1,000+ yards at the pro level.

I'm thinking the same thing. I'd gladly give any of my 2nd round picks for him and probably even my 1.10. I also own the 1.06 and I probably wouldn't give up that.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

What is this referring to?

 

[purplehaze67]

I was offered, and turned down, 2.05 in a 16-team IDP dynasty.

 

[NorrisB]

I was offered, and turned down, 2.05 in a 16-team IDP dynasty.

I would have taken that, unless its a professional league alot of people mishandle their IDPs leaving great talent in the early 2nd.

 

[comfortably numb]

This is good info interms of what you would give for Roy, but I also like to hear what it would take for you to part with Roy?

If I was buying (16 team league) and early 2nd would be easy for me, i think once I got to the 1.7-1.10 range is where Id have to think about things more

 

[loose circuits]

I own Roy and would not give up for anything less than a mid-1st. Too much upside. Say what you want about his 1 solid year, at least he has shown that he was capable of having that solid year. We don't know that for sure about any 1st round rookie pick. If you can get him at a WR3 value, then do it because he has top 20 upside once TO moves on to greener pastures

 

[Biabreakable]

I voted other. David Boston had one awesome season too. I wouldn't give more than a 3rd for him and probably not an early 3rd.

 

[EBF]

I voted other. David Boston had one awesome season too. I wouldn't give more than a 3rd for him and probably not an early 3rd.

Roy is soft and he's always been enigmatic and overrated, but he does have talent. I don't like to discount talented players. We've seen guys like Muhsin Muhammad, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, and Antonio Bryant come back from the dead. It will happen again. Maybe Roy isn't that guy, but we know he's capable of decent production. That's more than we can say about the likes of Hakeem Nicks, Darrius Heyward-Bey, and Kenny Britt. Right now, I doubt you're going to find a buyer who will pay actual value for Roy, so you might as well keep him and hope he turns it on next season.

 

[Biabreakable]

I voted other. David Boston had one awesome season too. I wouldn't give more than a 3rd for him and probably not an early 3rd.

Roy is soft and he's always been enigmatic and overrated, but he does have talent. I don't like to discount talented players. We've seen guys like Muhsin Muhammad, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, and Antonio Bryant come back from the dead. It will happen again. Maybe Roy isn't that guy, but we know he's capable of decent production. That's more than we can say about the likes of Hakeem Nicks, Darrius Heyward-Bey, and Kenny Britt. Right now, I doubt you're going to find a buyer who will pay actual value for Roy, so you might as well keep him and hope he turns it on next season.

There are a few players like Antonio Bryant every year. That doesen't mean you aren't about as likely to pick them up in free agency so why waste a high pick on a flyer?I wouldn't be suprised to see the Cowboys draft a WR on the 1st day who I would give just as much a chance as Roy Williams or more to supplant TO's targets if TO is indeed not with the team. Depending on who it is of course. I wouldn't trade a high pick for Crayton and I think he has just as much a shot if not moreso than Roy to benifit from TO leaving also.If you have the roster room I think you are better off picking up free agents and keeping your picks. JMO.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The Cowboys gave up a TON to get Williams. IMO they didn't do that so they could draft another WR. Unless you think that there's reason to believe they've fallen out of love with the guy after he arrived in Dallas, he's a good buy low IMO.

 

[FUBAR]

The problem here is I wouldn't give better than a 2nd, but I'd want a mid 1st.

 

[jurb26]

I just made this offer to a guy in hopes of getting Williams:

Pennington, Chad MIA QB

Evans, Lee BUF WR

Year 2009 Round 2 Draft Pick

Williams, Roy DAL WR

Year 2009 Round 1 Draft Pick

One college player is kept in this league so really when you get to the second round it is slim pickins.

 

[Prof. Chaos]

FWIW.

I was offered.

Roy and Antonio Bryant for B. Marshall

or

Roy and Mendenhall for Marshall.

12 team dynasty. Thinking about a counter offer of my 1.09 rookie pic for Roy.

 

[mozzy84]

FWIW.I was offered.Roy and Antonio Bryant for B. Marshallor Roy and Mendenhall for Marshall.12 team dynasty.

no thanks would be my answer.I would not give any first round pick for roy williams, second rounder would work but probably not get it done.This could be one of those threads thats gets bumped because he has a good year next season, would not be a shocker.

 

[coolnerd]

I voted other. David Boston had one awesome season too. I wouldn't give more than a 3rd for him and probably not an early 3rd.

Roy is soft and he's always been enigmatic and overrated, but he does have talent. I don't like to discount talented players. We've seen guys like Muhsin Muhammad, Terry Glenn, Joey Galloway, and Antonio Bryant come back from the dead. It will happen again. Maybe Roy isn't that guy, but we know he's capable of decent production. That's more than we can say about the likes of Hakeem Nicks, Darrius Heyward-Bey, and Kenny Britt.

Right now, I doubt you're going to find a buyer who will pay actual value for Roy, so you might as well keep him and hope he turns it on next season.

There are a few players like Antonio Bryant every year. That doesen't mean you aren't about as likely to pick them up in free agency so why waste a high pick on a flyer?I wouldn't be suprised to see the Cowboys draft a WR on the 1st day who I would give just as much a chance as Roy Williams or more to supplant TO's targets if TO is indeed not with the team. Depending on who it is of course. I wouldn't trade a high pick for Crayton and I think he has just as much a shot if not moreso than Roy to benifit from TO leaving also.

If you have the roster room I think you are better off picking up free agents and keeping your picks. JMO.

A part of the explanation Jones gave for trading for Williams so they did not have to draft a WR and hope they got lucky. If you look at the cowboys over the alst 15 years or so, they rarely spend a significant pick on WRs with antonio Bryant the last 2nd round in 2002 and Stepfret Williams a 3rd rounder in 1996. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft...0&type=team

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

What is this referring to?

Nobody? When was there any news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense?

 

[FavreCo]

FWIW.I was offered.Roy and Antonio Bryant for B. Marshallor Roy and Mendenhall for Marshall.12 team dynasty.

no thanks would be my answer.I would not give any first round pick for roy williams, second rounder would work but probably not get it done.This could be one of those threads thats gets bumped because he has a good year next season, would not be a shocker.

As a Marshall owner, I wouldn't even consider either of those offers. If I needed a bum like Williams (which I don't, he would be my #6 behind Andre, Calvin, Marshall, Jennings and Royal), a 2nd is all he would be worth in the hope has has a couple big games and I can rip someone off for him.

 

[fsufan]

someone in my dynasty league gave the 1.08 for williams

 

[BigJim®]

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

What is this referring to?

Nobody? When was there any news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense?

He was no doubt referring to the rumors that T.O. may be released and consequently the young WR they inked to a 5 year/$40 mil contract would become the go-to guy. Would you need to see that sort of thing reported as 'news' somewhere? I'd probably give a 1.10 for Roy... decent investment vs. 2nd tier rookies.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

What is this referring to?

Nobody? When was there any news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense?

He was no doubt referring to the rumors that T.O. may be released and consequently the young WR they inked to a 5 year/$40 mil contract would become the go-to guy. Would you need to see that sort of thing reported as 'news' somewhere? I'd probably give a 1.10 for Roy... decent investment vs. 2nd tier rookies.

His statement was more definitive than "TO might get cut and Roy might take over". It was "the news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense". Which hasn't happened yet and is speculation at this point.I thought, perhaps, that there was an actual story about this that I missed. Thanks for the insincere reply though.

 

[BigJim®]

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

What is this referring to?

Nobody? When was there any news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense?

He was no doubt referring to the rumors that T.O. may be released and consequently the young WR they inked to a 5 year/$40 mil contract would become the go-to guy. Would you need to see that sort of thing reported as 'news' somewhere? I'd probably give a 1.10 for Roy... decent investment vs. 2nd tier rookies.

His statement was more definitive than "TO might get cut and Roy might take over". It was "the news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense". Which hasn't happened yet and is speculation at this point.I thought, perhaps, that there was an actual story about this that I missed. Thanks for the insincere reply though.

Insincere? My bad. I was only speculating what he meant since you asked twice and seemed confused. Reading his post again I do now see he mentioned news about Roy becoming #1 even with T.O. on the team and I agree I've not seen that reported anywhere.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Even if T.O. doesn't get cut, the news about Roy taking over T.O.'s position in the offense is enough to move him way abouve the 2.5-2.8 range. If T.O. does get cut then you can almost definitley get a 1st rounder for him.

What is this referring to?

Nobody? When was there any news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense?

He was no doubt referring to the rumors that T.O. may be released and consequently the young WR they inked to a 5 year/$40 mil contract would become the go-to guy. Would you need to see that sort of thing reported as 'news' somewhere? I'd probably give a 1.10 for Roy... decent investment vs. 2nd tier rookies.

His statement was more definitive than "TO might get cut and Roy might take over". It was "the news about Roy taking over TO's position in the offense". Which hasn't happened yet and is speculation at this point.I thought, perhaps, that there was an actual story about this that I missed. Thanks for the insincere reply though.

Insincere? My bad. I was only speculating what he meant since you asked twice and seemed confused. Reading his post again I do now see he mentioned news about Roy becoming #1 even with T.O. on the team and I agree I've not seen that reported anywhere.

Nah, my bad BigJim. Thought you were just messing with me. It's all good.I'm still confused by his comment, but evidently it's just rampant speculation.

 

[jurb26]

I just made this offer to a guy in hopes of getting Williams: Pennington, Chad MIA QB Evans, Lee BUF WR Year 2009 Round 2 Draft Pick Williams, Roy DAL WR Year 2009 Round 1 Draft PickOne college player is kept in this league so really when you get to the second round it is slim pickins.

Trade offer got rejected. Williams owner said he does feel that this is a fair offer for Williams, just that he want to hold given the TO rumors.So, I guess this is roughly what Williams is worth.

 

[BigJim®]

I just made this offer to a guy in hopes of getting Williams: Pennington, Chad MIA QB Evans, Lee BUF WR Year 2009 Round 2 Draft Pick Williams, Roy DAL WR Year 2009 Round 1 Draft PickOne college player is kept in this league so really when you get to the second round it is slim pickins.

Trade offer got rejected. Williams owner said he does feel that this is a fair offer for Williams, just that he want to hold given the TO rumors.So, I guess this is roughly what Williams is worth.

Where was the first? I see the Williams/1st side as being more valuable by quite a bit.

 

[jurb26]

Late, I think it was pick 12 in a 14 team league. Again, college players are held in this league so Moreno, Wells, McCoy, Stafford, Crabtree, Bey, Harvin and probably a few I'm missing are all already on teams.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I think mid second. He was the WR1 in Detroit and still could not elevate his game above WR29 (in all but one yr) so we should we assume that now. I caught grief last offeseason/preseason for having him ranked at WR29. Roy is not consistent. He is not startable most weeks, so should he be worth more?

I do think it depends on when your rookie draft is as well. If its before training camp, then he's worth a high 2nd/late first. However, after players like Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan and DeSean Jackson start separating themselves from the rest of the rookies, his value diminishes somewhat. Both Royal and Jackson were 2nd rounders in dynasty drafts last year, yet I'd prefer both of them to Roy right now. Williams does have more value than Morgan at this point, but its not a huge gap between them, and he was a 3rd/4th rounder last August.