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[Somebody]

There are some young players who have done nothing yet despite in some cases having high expectations.

- L. Booker - He was hyped by some as the next Reggie Bush. Why hasn't he done anything?

- R. Meacham - Didn't he have injury problems during the offseason? Is he healthy now? Why hasn't he done anything yet?

- J. Hill - I think he is injured right now.

- Dwayne Jarrett - At least he has a catch and 6 yards.

Feel free to add to the list. Also add your thoughts about their dynasty league value.

ETA - Even though the examples I started with are rookies, I didn't intend this thread to be solely about rookies. Please feel free to talk about any young player who fits the topic.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

Tedd Ginn Jr. and the rookie WR for Indy have done nothing yet. Only Calvin Johnson (although injured) and Dwayne Bowe look to be the only Dynasty keepers for the rookie WR crop thus far. Alot of growing up can happen in the rest of season though.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Tedd Ginn Jr. and the rookie WR for Indy have done nothing yet. Only Calvin Johnson (although injured) and Dwayne Bowe look to be the only Dynasty keepers for the rookie WR crop thus far. Alot of growing up can happen in the rest of season though.

*cough* Sidney Rice *cough*

 

[billrob]

I have Gonzalez from Indy. I'm hoping with the Harrison injury he can step in and show us a glimpse of why they picked him. If he clicks with Manning then he'll have huge keeper value.

I also drafted C.Davis from SD. He hasn't shown me much yet, but that whole offence has been pretty bad.

 

[sho nuff]

Tedd Ginn Jr. and the rookie WR for Indy have done nothing yet. Only Calvin Johnson (although injured) and Dwayne Bowe look to be the only Dynasty keepers for the rookie WR crop thus far. Alot of growing up can happen in the rest of season though.

Only those two?James Jones anyone?

 

[RC94]

Vernon Davis may partially be a victim of a bad team/QB/offense, but he still has a considerable amount of hype to live up to. I still think he can be great, but as a great player he needs to help turn a bad situation into a good one by doing a better job. Of course he needs to get healthy first.

 

[stevegamer]

I have Gonzalez from Indy. I'm hoping with the Harrison injury he can step in and show us a glimpse of why they picked him. If he clicks with Manning then he'll have huge keeper value.I also drafted C.Davis from SD. He hasn't shown me much yet, but that whole offence has been pretty bad.

Davis has done okay as the #4 option in a Norv offense. He's definitely a longer-term kind of prospect.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I was wondering about Booker as well. In one of my dynasties he was dropped. (Not a huge league). He has faded away. I was sure he would get some 3rd down action.

 

[Club Leftwich]

I always write off players 4 games into their rookie seasons.

L. Booker - He was hyped by some as the next Reggie Bush.

Are you joking?

 

[RC94]

I was wondering about Booker as well. In one of my dynasties he was dropped. (Not a huge league). He has faded away. I was sure he would get some 3rd down action.

Same here. He was so hyped around here before the season.

 

[Somebody]

I always write off players 4 games into their rookie seasons.

L. Booker - He was hyped by some as the next Reggie Bush.

Are you joking?

1. Nobody is talking about writing players off. I just wanted to start some discussion about what they are doing and what we can expect from them into the future.2. You should read back to the off-season discussions about Booker.

 

[KoolKat]

I always write off players 4 games into their rookie seasons.

L. Booker - He was hyped by some as the next Reggie Bush.

Are you joking?

1. Nobody is talking about writing players off. I just wanted to start some discussion about what they are doing and what we can expect from them into the future.2. You should read back to the off-season discussions about Booker.

There were soo many Bush comparisons in here, Club Leftwich doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[gianmarco]

Jacoby Jones was off to a nice start as well until the injury. Still worth noting, though.

 

[KoolKat]

I'd have to say Meachem is the biggest bust so far..a lot of people had him hyped as the best WR to get after CJ, including Bloom. Granted he has been slowed by injuries, but to not even be active yet on a struggling O is a massive dissappointment. I am still holding out hope since he is just a rookie and I traded Chester Taylor to get him, and he is 6' 2" and ran a 4.3 40. But hope is waning on the daily, and he has been slow to pick up the playbook. No too mention his "I went into the draft to "cash in" remark.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'd have to say Meachem is the biggest bust so far..a lot of people had him hyped as the best WR to get after CJ, including Bloom. Granted he has been slowed by injuries, but to not even be active yet on a struggling O is a massive dissappointment. I am still holding out hope since he is just a rookie and I traded Chester Taylor to get him, and he is 6' 2" and ran a 4.3 40. But hope is waning on the daily, and he has been slow to pick up the playbook. No too mention his "I went into the draft to "cash in" remark.

Guilty as charged. I didnt even like Meachem that much as a player, but I like Henderson even less, and Joe Horn had one foot in the grave - they combined for huge numbers sharing time as the #2/#3 - I really thought Meachem would be a good fantasy WR whether he was truly a good WR. The long term opportunity is still there, but his career matches the path of a bust so far - however it is way too early to completely give up on him.

 

[Disco Stu]

I didn't expect this thread to be about rookies. Way too early for that IMO.

I thought we'd be talking about 2nd and 3rd year guys we haven't seen much from - Maurice Stovall, Derek Hagan, Chad Jackson, Jerome Harrison, Travis Wilson, Tony Scheffler, etc.

 

[J-Rock]

I have Gonzalez from Indy. I'm hoping with the Harrison injury he can step in and show us a glimpse of why they picked him. If he clicks with Manning then he'll have huge keeper value.I also drafted C.Davis from SD. He hasn't shown me much yet, but that whole offence has been pretty bad.

I honestly couldn't understand how high this guy was being drafted in my Dynasty leagues. Just because he is stepping into Stokely's old spot doesn't warrent such high expectations. Stokely is one of the best slot receivers in NFL history, he was not a product of the Colts offense. Thinking Gonzalles would pick up whhere Stokely left off is a joke.

 

[The Shizzle]

I'd have to say Meachem is the biggest bust so far..a lot of people had him hyped as the best WR to get after CJ, including Bloom. Granted he has been slowed by injuries, but to not even be active yet on a struggling O is a massive dissappointment. I am still holding out hope since he is just a rookie and I traded Chester Taylor to get him, and he is 6' 2" and ran a 4.3 40. But hope is waning on the daily, and he has been slow to pick up the playbook. No too mention his "I went into the draft to "cash in" remark.

Guilty as charged. I didnt even like Meachem that much as a player, but I like Henderson even less, and Joe Horn had one foot in the grave - they combined for huge numbers sharing time as the #2/#3 - I really thought Meachem would be a good fantasy WR whether he was truly a good WR. The long term opportunity is still there, but his career matches the path of a bust so far - however it is way too early to completely give up on him.

How can Meachem be a bust? He has been hurt. A bust would be Dwayne Jarrett. He has been healthy, and can't beat out Colbert or Carter.

 

[fflnut]

I have Gonzalez from Indy. I'm hoping with the Harrison injury he can step in and show us a glimpse of why they picked him. If he clicks with Manning then he'll have huge keeper value.I also drafted C.Davis from SD. He hasn't shown me much yet, but that whole offence has been pretty bad.

I honestly couldn't understand how high this guy was being drafted in my Dynasty leagues. Just because he is stepping into Stokely's old spot doesn't warrent such high expectations. Stokely is one of the best slot receivers in NFL history, he was not a product of the Colts offense. Thinking Gonzalles would pick up whhere Stokely left off is a joke.

OP of this comment was referring to him stepping into Marvin's spot if he's injured. And, if he clicks with Peyton, it gives us a glimpse of the future. You don't think that's a logical way to think of things? Are there other Indy WRs that would benefit more than Gonzalez from any missed time by Harrison?

 

[EBF]

I didn't expect this thread to be about rookies. Way too early for that IMO.I thought we'd be talking about 2nd and 3rd year guys we haven't seen much from - Maurice Stovall, Derek Hagan, Chad Jackson, Jerome Harrison, Travis Wilson, Tony Scheffler, etc.

My take on these guys: they're just not very good. Wilson and Stovall don't have the talent to make an impact at the NFL level. Jackson is raw, soft, and buried on the depth chart. I compared Hagan to Muhsin Muhammad when he was coming out and I still think he has a chance to develop into a quality WR2 in the mold of Booker/Muhammad, but he's not a star and he's not going to play much as long as Chambers and Booker are still around. As for the rookies:Hill - Didn't impress in training camp. Prospects look weak at this point in time. Meachem - Has physical skills, but is not a natural WR. Was a late bloomer in college and is following that path in the NFL. I still like his long-term upside, but don't assume that he'll pan out. Booker - IMO, this is a simple case of a guy being overrated by the FF community. However, I am surprised by his complete lack of playing time. I'd look for him to eventually grow into a change-of-pace role, but Ronnie is playing well right now. Jarrett - The second best WR on the roster. Lack of speed and explosiveness will prevent him from becoming a star, but I still think he'll be the team's WR2 of the future. Don't panic if your rookie pick isn't doing much right now. As I've mentioned in the past, there is a long list of great WRs who had unspectacular starts to their careers. Off the top of my head, Chad Johnson, Santana Moss, Plaxico Burress, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Bernard Berrian, Laveranues Coles, and Jerricho Cotchery are just a few of the guys who have achieved significant FF value after a weak rookie season. It's hard to fathom right now, but some of these rookies are going to take huge steps forward in the next 1-3 years.

 

[Warpig]

Since SF dropped Taylor Jacobs, Jason Hill MAY get a chance to show something. Vernon Davis being out only helps Hill's chances.

But I'd keep an eye open for Delanie Walker. he looked good in pre-season and he's a 2nd year guy I believe.

I'm also concerned with Mike Walker and Steve Smith (NYG). Whuddafuuu?

 

[EBF]

Since SF dropped Taylor Jacobs, Jason Hill MAY get a chance to show something. Vernon Davis being out only helps Hill's chances.But I'd keep an eye open for Delanie Walker. he looked good in pre-season and he's a 2nd year guy I believe.I'm also concerned with Mike Walker and Steve Smith (NYG). Whuddafuuu?

Smith got rave reviews in training camp. He was expected to start the season as the WR3, so I wouldn't expect much this season.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'd have to say Meachem is the biggest bust so far..a lot of people had him hyped as the best WR to get after CJ, including Bloom. Granted he has been slowed by injuries, but to not even be active yet on a struggling O is a massive dissappointment. I am still holding out hope since he is just a rookie and I traded Chester Taylor to get him, and he is 6' 2" and ran a 4.3 40. But hope is waning on the daily, and he has been slow to pick up the playbook. No too mention his "I went into the draft to "cash in" remark.

Guilty as charged. I didnt even like Meachem that much as a player, but I like Henderson even less, and Joe Horn had one foot in the grave - they combined for huge numbers sharing time as the #2/#3 - I really thought Meachem would be a good fantasy WR whether he was truly a good WR. The long term opportunity is still there, but his career matches the path of a bust so far - however it is way too early to completely give up on him.

How can Meachem be a bust? He has been hurt. A bust would be Dwayne Jarrett. He has been healthy, and can't beat out Colbert or Carter.

I wouldnt conclusively say Meachem is a bust, but the way everything is going matches the trajectory of a bust - this includes the way he looked in preseason and the reports out of New Orleans.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Since SF dropped Taylor Jacobs, Jason Hill MAY get a chance to show something. Vernon Davis being out only helps Hill's chances.But I'd keep an eye open for Delanie Walker. he looked good in pre-season and he's a 2nd year guy I believe.

I love Walker's raw tools, but he didnt do much to impress in his first start last week. A penalty here, a drop there, it all added up to only one catch. Now he did beat Julian Peterson (who is no slouch in coverage) for what should have been a TD on a catch that wasnt easy, but one he should have caught. He makes that play and theres a lot more buzz about Delanie this week.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Since SF dropped Taylor Jacobs, Jason Hill MAY get a chance to show something. Vernon Davis being out only helps Hill's chances.But I'd keep an eye open for Delanie Walker. he looked good in pre-season and he's a 2nd year guy I believe.I'm also concerned with Mike Walker and Steve Smith (NYG). Whuddafuuu?

Smith got rave reviews in training camp. He was expected to start the season as the WR3, so I wouldn't expect much this season.

He suffered a shoulder blade injury, causing him to miss some time, but otherwise he was doing very well.

 

[Alluro]

Thoughts on Johnnie Lee Higgins? does he ever amount to more than a bit player/return man?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Thoughts on Johnnie Lee Higgins? does he ever amount to more than a bit player/return man?

Yes. He still needs to play a little more under control, but I don't think Mike Williams will be that much of an obstacle to the #3 spot long term (did you see him celebrating on Fargas long run at midfield instead blocking the guy running right next to him!?!?) and he will evolve into the deep threat for JaMarcus Russell.

 

[The Shizzle]

Thoughts on Johnnie Lee Higgins? does he ever amount to more than a bit player/return man?

Yes. He still needs to play a little more under control, but I don't think Mike Williams will be that much of an obstacle to the #3 spot long term (did you see him celebrating on Fargas long run at midfield instead blocking the guy running right next to him!?!?) and he will evolve into the deep threat for JaMarcus Russell.

Williams or Higgins?

 

[Diamond]

Since SF dropped Taylor Jacobs, Jason Hill MAY get a chance to show something. Vernon Davis being out only helps Hill's chances.

But I'd keep an eye open for Delanie Walker. he looked good in pre-season and he's a 2nd year guy I believe.

I'm also concerned with Mike Walker and Steve Smith (NYG). Whuddafuuu?

Walker is on IR

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Thoughts on Johnnie Lee Higgins? does he ever amount to more than a bit player/return man?

Yes. He still needs to play a little more under control, but I don't think Mike Williams will be that much of an obstacle to the #3 spot long term (did you see him celebrating on Fargas long run at midfield instead blocking the guy running right next to him!?!?) and he will evolve into the deep threat for JaMarcus Russell.

Williams or Higgins?

That would be Williams. In his defense, he also caught a TD that was called back on a bunk offensive pass interference call.

 

[Somebody]

I didn't expect this thread to be about rookies. Way too early for that IMO.I thought we'd be talking about 2nd and 3rd year guys we haven't seen much from - Maurice Stovall, Derek Hagan, Chad Jackson, Jerome Harrison, Travis Wilson, Tony Scheffler, etc.

It definitely doesn't have to only be about rookies. Out of these guys, Scheffler is the most surprising to me. He seemed to be on his way to being a productive TE and then they signed Graham and now Scheffler is doing nothing.

 

[KoolKat]

I didn't expect this thread to be about rookies. Way too early for that IMO.I thought we'd be talking about 2nd and 3rd year guys we haven't seen much from - Maurice Stovall, Derek Hagan, Chad Jackson, Jerome Harrison, Travis Wilson, Tony Scheffler, etc.

It definitely doesn't have to only be about rookies. Out of these guys, Scheffler is the most surprising to me. He seemed to be on his way to being a productive TE and then they signed Graham and now Scheffler is doing nothing.

I am suprised the Broncos aren't incorporating more passing two TE sets with Scheffler and Graham. Scheffler has struggled a little bit injuries, but nothing to warrant his total dissappearance from the line up. I think a little play action while Scheffler and Graham are out there to make it appear like a rush would be gold against most teams, but only if the TEs prove to be a threat in the pass game.

 

[az_prof]

I'd have to say Meachem is the biggest bust so far..a lot of people had him hyped as the best WR to get after CJ, including Bloom. Granted he has been slowed by injuries, but to not even be active yet on a struggling O is a massive dissappointment. I am still holding out hope since he is just a rookie and I traded Chester Taylor to get him, and he is 6' 2" and ran a 4.3 40. But hope is waning on the daily, and he has been slow to pick up the playbook. No too mention his "I went into the draft to "cash in" remark.

Guilty as charged. I didnt even like Meachem that much as a player, but I like Henderson even less, and Joe Horn had one foot in the grave - they combined for huge numbers sharing time as the #2/#3 - I really thought Meachem would be a good fantasy WR whether he was truly a good WR. The long term opportunity is still there, but his career matches the path of a bust so far - however it is way too early to completely give up on him.

I think we will know more after the bye week for Meachem. In general it isn't wise to make decisions this early in a rookie's career. Remember Michael Clayton had an amazing rookie year and he has faded into worthlessness. Caddy had an amazing rookie year, but had a horrible year last year and is now facing a serious injury recovery. On the other hand, Brandon Marshall didn't do play until the seventh game, and didn't really do anything noteworthy until week 15, yet he is one of the best prospects from that draft class.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'd have to say Meachem is the biggest bust so far..a lot of people had him hyped as the best WR to get after CJ, including Bloom. Granted he has been slowed by injuries, but to not even be active yet on a struggling O is a massive dissappointment. I am still holding out hope since he is just a rookie and I traded Chester Taylor to get him, and he is 6' 2" and ran a 4.3 40. But hope is waning on the daily, and he has been slow to pick up the playbook. No too mention his "I went into the draft to "cash in" remark.

Guilty as charged. I didnt even like Meachem that much as a player, but I like Henderson even less, and Joe Horn had one foot in the grave - they combined for huge numbers sharing time as the #2/#3 - I really thought Meachem would be a good fantasy WR whether he was truly a good WR. The long term opportunity is still there, but his career matches the path of a bust so far - however it is way too early to completely give up on him.

I think we will know more after the bye week for Meachem. In general it isn't wise to make decisions this early in a rookie's career. Remember Michael Clayton had an amazing rookie year and he has faded into worthlessness. Caddy had an amazing rookie year, but had a horrible year last year and is now facing a serious injury recovery. On the other hand, Brandon Marshall didn't do play until the seventh game, and didn't really do anything noteworthy until week 15, yet he is one of the best prospects from that draft class.

Im not advocating making any final decisions, just saying that Meachem is following the path of a bust so far. The Marshall comparison does not fit. He was getting kudos (including from Bailey) from rookie minicamp on, and only had a slow start because of a sprained knee he suffered in training camp. The scary thing about Meachem is an almost complete lack of any positive buzz about him from the organization or from any plays he made in the preseason.

 

[toppshelff]

Did we glimpse some of the talent of Rice this past weekend? Are we to see more of this, or more disappointment? Is this a problem with the QB as much as anything? Be nice to get on the Rice-a-Roni train before it leaves the station...

 

[az_prof]

I'd have to say Meachem is the biggest bust so far..a lot of people had him hyped as the best WR to get after CJ, including Bloom. Granted he has been slowed by injuries, but to not even be active yet on a struggling O is a massive dissappointment. I am still holding out hope since he is just a rookie and I traded Chester Taylor to get him, and he is 6' 2" and ran a 4.3 40. But hope is waning on the daily, and he has been slow to pick up the playbook. No too mention his "I went into the draft to "cash in" remark.

Guilty as charged. I didnt even like Meachem that much as a player, but I like Henderson even less, and Joe Horn had one foot in the grave - they combined for huge numbers sharing time as the #2/#3 - I really thought Meachem would be a good fantasy WR whether he was truly a good WR. The long term opportunity is still there, but his career matches the path of a bust so far - however it is way too early to completely give up on him.

I think we will know more after the bye week for Meachem. In general it isn't wise to make decisions this early in a rookie's career. Remember Michael Clayton had an amazing rookie year and he has faded into worthlessness. Caddy had an amazing rookie year, but had a horrible year last year and is now facing a serious injury recovery. On the other hand, Brandon Marshall didn't do play until the seventh game, and didn't really do anything noteworthy until week 15, yet he is one of the best prospects from that draft class.

Im not advocating making any final decisions, just saying that Meachem is following the path of a bust so far. The Marshall comparison does not fit. He was getting kudos (including from Bailey) from rookie minicamp on, and only had a slow start because of a sprained knee he suffered in training camp. The scary thing about Meachem is an almost complete lack of any positive buzz about him from the organization or from any plays he made in the preseason.

Meachem actually has been set back by injuries too. He did receive praise from the coach during the preseason about how much progress he had made from mini-camps. I wouldn't read too much into that or into the fact that Marshall had gotten praise from Bailey though. For RBs you can have some idea of how they are going to do by end of first year, though not perfect (until a few weeks ago people were ready to call Ronnie Brown a BUST, but now he is the leading RB). Some WRs do emerge their first year, but precious few; most don't emerge until their third or fourth year. If they don't emerge by fifth very few will ever do anything of note. But we are a long ways away from year five for Meachem. I predict he will get a chance to play before long, probably starting this week, and that by the end of the year he will be making an impact. I also think the rookie RB in NO, Pierre Thomas, will make an impact before the year is done--I see him becoming the change of pace back for Bush as well as the goal line back.

 

[valhallan]

The thread title made me think of J.J. Arrington. He hasn't shown much at the NFL level other than some speed in the return game and a little pass-catching ability, but he's managed to hang onto the number 2 job for a few years now so there must be something the coaches like. Given the new philosophy and improved run blocking we're seeing in Arizona this year, there's plenty of reason to expect solid fantasy points from their #1 back for the foreseeable future. That will be Edge for this year and possibly next, but J.J. is only 24 and who knows, maybe he gets a shot. Now granted, I can't really find room for him on my 25-man dynasty squad but I'm definitely keeping an eye on the situation. Someone will replace Edge soon...