Ministry of Pain
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What is Shanny's future in Denver? Even if they make the playoffs, they are a 1st round loser most likely...9-7, 8-8, was this what Denver fans expected?
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What happens to Shanny when San Diego is done with the beatdown? (1 Viewer)
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I do not know about other Denver fans, but I was expecting something around 7-9 or 8-8 this year, given the sorry state of the defense, and given how young the team is. As bizarre as it sounds, they have probably exceeded the expectations of many this season, but the second half home losses to teams like the Raiders and Bills are hard to swallow. If they win either of those games, the division would be locked up already.
I was pretty pissed after last week's game, and said heads should roll if they lose this week, including Shanahan's, but really, he has gotten a lot of the team this season, when taking everything into account. I mean, how many teams could lose their TOP 7 RBs and still be above .500 going into the last week of the season?
Be that as it may, missing the playoffs three seasons in a row is a tough pill to swallow. Shanahan won't go anywhere after this season, win or lose on Sunday, but next year should be make or break for him.
Edit: If they lose Sunday night, they better at least put up a good fight. If they get drilled right from the start and lay down, the strong possibility that Shanahan has lost the team will have to be considered. I mean, if you can't get your team "up" in a one-game fight for the division title, then that is not a good sign.
I was pretty pissed after last week's game, and said heads should roll if they lose this week, including Shanahan's, but really, he has gotten a lot of the team this season, when taking everything into account. I mean, how many teams could lose their TOP 7 RBs and still be above .500 going into the last week of the season?
Be that as it may, missing the playoffs three seasons in a row is a tough pill to swallow. Shanahan won't go anywhere after this season, win or lose on Sunday, but next year should be make or break for him.
Edit: If they lose Sunday night, they better at least put up a good fight. If they get drilled right from the start and lay down, the strong possibility that Shanahan has lost the team will have to be considered. I mean, if you can't get your team "up" in a one-game fight for the division title, then that is not a good sign.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
The Broncos would be nuts to fire Shanahan no matter what. This is a very young team that's had a ton of key injuries this season. The fact they're playing for a playoff spot the last game of the season is a huge credit to Shanahan. It'd be incredibly short sighted to consider firing Shanahan.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Firing him would be a mistake. Mike Shanahan is one of the greatest offensive minds that the NFL has ever seen. This season's performance is yet another example of that. I wouldn't blame the poor defense (the main reason for the team's struggles) on him.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
They are one of the youngest teams in the NFL and some observers have said this year (with all the injuries) has been his best coaching job yet. Add that to the fact that Bowlen has declared him coach for as long as he wants to be coach in Denver and I'm not expecting much of a change.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
elcohiba
We're for puppies
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Rack him
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Insightful as usual, thanks Sonny
Twilight
Footballguy
Shanahan is probably the safest coach in the NFL. The Bowlen love is well-documented even without considering how good a job he's done this year.
But if you consider they have SEVEN RBs on IR, the fact they are in the playoff hunt at all is a minor miracle, especially since their
offense has been the only thing that they could count on to win their games with that pathetic D. That is definitely worth a little respect.
I have no idea offhand who their D coordinator is, but I would expect that he will be looking for work in a week (or 2) however.
But if you consider they have SEVEN RBs on IR, the fact they are in the playoff hunt at all is a minor miracle, especially since their
offense has been the only thing that they could count on to win their games with that pathetic D. That is definitely worth a little respect.
I have no idea offhand who their D coordinator is, but I would expect that he will be looking for work in a week (or 2) however.
massraider
Footballguy
Maybe they ought to fire the guy that acquired those crappy defensive players.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I heard on ESPN Radio that Shanny and the Broncos owner have an intertwined financial stake together with several business dealings, and Shanny has one of the more secure jobs in the NFL because of it.
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Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
About as insightful as your attention-seeking (as usual) thread/topic...Insightful as usual, thanks Sonny
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
About as insightful as your attention-seeking (as usual) thread/topic...Insightful as usual, thanks Sonny
moleculo
Footballguy
let's not forget that for a good chunk of this season, the D was missing all three starting LB's and Champ. Not that slowik has done a fantastic job, but at least he has had the vision to know when things aren't working and change things up drastically, to varying results. To his credit, he has not stayed with any of the failing schemes for long, and has found some promise in some of the backup LBs (Woodyard + Larsen).
Chaka
Footballguy
Hold the man responsible for all of the horrendous big money player acquisitions he has made over the years.
thatguy
Footballguy
I honestly don't see Bowlen ever terminating Shanny's contract - if/when he leaves Denver it will be on his own terms. That said, this offense is his baby so I don't see him leaving on his own accord any time soon.
Still, I think Shanny needs to find a way to take control of this team because he seems to have lost them, if in fact he ever had them.
Still, I think Shanny needs to find a way to take control of this team because he seems to have lost them, if in fact he ever had them.
bcr8f
Footballguy
It seems that way. A lot of injuries and no good defensive coordinator may not be his fault. They tried by hiring Jim Bates but his system didn't work.Maybe they should get Ed Donatel. Where is he these days?
thatguy
Footballguy
Those saying how great a job Shanny has done this season need to realize that this Denver team lacks leadership and most importantly an ability/desire to finish games strong. And in my opinion, a lot of that falls on Shanny's shoulders. He's a fantastic schemer, he's become a pretty good evaluator of talent, but a great leader/motivator he is not. He has to learn to rally the troops, so to speak.
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Chaka
Footballguy
He is the General Manager and makes all football decisions for the team. Of course it's his fault.
He is the coach and presumptive leader of this team. All of it should be on his shoulders.The Broncos have been to the playoffs 4 times in 10 seasons (possibly 5 if the beat SD on Sunday) and have gone 1-4 in those appearances with an average score in the 4 losses of 36-14 (17 points is the smallest margin of defeat). The team keeps getting worse and they are on the verge of missing the playoffs for the third consecutive season.
The Broncos have fielded one legitimate team in a decade and that team got smoked by Pittsburgh, at home, during the AFC title game.
I am not saying Shanny should be fired but it will be surprising if he continues to hold onto all the football responsibilities for the organization.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Winning even one SB for a team hungry for a title can carry you a long way. Ask Jon Gruden.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
To be fair, they drew powerful Colts teams quite a bit in those playoff games. But I think they have a very good chance to make the playoffs. Remember that Norv Turner is on the other sideline. Don't under-estimate his ability to lose.
thatguy
Footballguy
Well, a lot of it should fall on his shoulders. There is no excuse for the amount of times this team has come out flat in big games, or, come out of the gates strong only to slow down midway through the first half.But, I think right now the team lacks leadership not only at the top, but also on the field. I think Cutler desperately wants to be a leader, but right now he's falling short. On the defensive side, they really haven't had a solid vocal leader since Al Wilson, and to some degree Lynch. They need some players to step up and lead the team on the field - that will go a long way toward helping Shanny to regain control.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Im pretty sure Shanny retires a bronco head coach.
Unless Pat B. sells the team
Unless Pat B. sells the team
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Pat Benatar owns the Broncos?!?Or is that Pat Buchanon?
Chaka
Footballguy
Then perhaps Shanny should bring in some locker room leaders considering he is, y'know, the General Manager. Shanny has always had final say on football operations even when someone else carried the GM title.For years Shanny has brought in high profile, head cases with questionable heart and overrated talent and he has given them over-market contracts.
The lack of leadership (in the locker room or otherwise) and defensive talent rests squarely on Shanahan's shoulders. Sundquist is gone and there is no one left to throw under the bus.
Chaka
Footballguy
Norv could certainly screw it up but it might be better for Shanny to lose so he can save himself from the embarrassment of another 28 point blow out loss to the Colts in the playoffs.
Chaka
Footballguy
Good luck with all that.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Nobody fires Skeletor, Skeletor fire YOU!!!
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Being a Broncos fan, I have to wonder if it is time for a new coach. Denver has had a new D Cord the last two years.
That said the Broncos have been killed by injuries all year. ANd if San Diego had started out playing like they are the last couple of weeks Denver would not of even been in the running for the Division.
That said the Broncos have been killed by injuries all year. ANd if San Diego had started out playing like they are the last couple of weeks Denver would not of even been in the running for the Division.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
After tonight they are 24-24 over the past 3 seasons. They have won a total of 1 playoff game over the past decade.
91-68 since the back to back Super Bowl victories...a lot of teams would love this problem
91-68 since the back to back Super Bowl victories...a lot of teams would love this problem
renesauz
IBL Representative
Sorry...I just don't buy into this. These are grown men, not 12 y.o. kids on a baseball field. If they can't rally themselves and get up for a big game, there is little the coach can do to rally them.I think Shanny has down a very credible job considering the youth and the injuries this year. While they're missing the playoffs this year, the future actually looks pretty good for the Broncos.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I think this is the right answer.
Jerry Lawler
Footballguy
In his time as Broncos head coach, Shanahan has more Super Bowl championships than losing seasons. His personnel moves have certainly been questionable, but the guy is an excellent HC.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
One stinking playoff win the last ten years and now this. Old man Shanahan should be fired.
moleculo
Footballguy
this offense is poised to do some great things. When thinking about coaches I'd want at the helm, Shanahan is #1, and it isn't close. What other offensive guru's in the league would you want setting everything up? If you go with regime change and get a defensive coach, you basically tear everything down and this team would take a step backwards.
The D is historically bad. This is the worst scoring D Denver has had since the merger. Ultimately, this D has got to get to mediocre for this team to have a shot. If the D was even a little better, Denver would be hosting a playoff game next week. In order for the D to get better, we need better personnel, they have got to stay healthy, and we need some continuity in schemes.
The D is historically bad. This is the worst scoring D Denver has had since the merger. Ultimately, this D has got to get to mediocre for this team to have a shot. If the D was even a little better, Denver would be hosting a playoff game next week. In order for the D to get better, we need better personnel, they have got to stay healthy, and we need some continuity in schemes.
ffldrew
Footballguy
There are a number of issues but in the last three years the Broncos have faced several crucial games to get to the next level and in those games they have failed to show up - his players at some point would have wanted to put in a good showing because of the coach at one of these games and I haven't heard that desire in quite some time here in Denver. At some stage it is just time to move on - Parcells moved on, Shula moved on, Jimmy Johnson left - so it looks like it is his time.
Since dissing Bubby Brister and trashing Trevor Pryce in public it seems as though players know that Shanahan has abused that level of control - as GM and coach he can't wear two hats and expect players to respond - telling players how good they are and then asking for pay cuts(i.e Elam). Word is out(especially due to the Trevor Pryce situation) and I am wondering whether he can draw the key free agents here. So if they relieve him of his GM responsibilities I think they can move back up - especially since they have to completely rebuild the Defense and he stinks at defensive evaluations.
Pat Bowlen always talks that he is not satisfied with these medicore records - he needs to back this up at some point and if Shanahan is one of the reasons he needs to recant on his Shanahan for life statements.
Since dissing Bubby Brister and trashing Trevor Pryce in public it seems as though players know that Shanahan has abused that level of control - as GM and coach he can't wear two hats and expect players to respond - telling players how good they are and then asking for pay cuts(i.e Elam). Word is out(especially due to the Trevor Pryce situation) and I am wondering whether he can draw the key free agents here. So if they relieve him of his GM responsibilities I think they can move back up - especially since they have to completely rebuild the Defense and he stinks at defensive evaluations.
Pat Bowlen always talks that he is not satisfied with these medicore records - he needs to back this up at some point and if Shanahan is one of the reasons he needs to recant on his Shanahan for life statements.
Chaka
Footballguy
Three guesses who has been charge of upgrading personnel over the past decade.Shanny needs to be stripped of his GM duties and focus on what he knows, game planning on offense. Deny him input to player personnel and defensive scheme decisions and Denver might actually become competitive again.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Their offense, once they get a healthy RB, will be high powered. No one doubts that, and Shanny has great schemes to exploit the talent. But that defense? Tackling dummies are tougher. Champ Bailey or not, they are just flat out awful. Shanny has to take that responsibility. He's safe. He's got the job as long as he wants it. They'll be an exciting team. But they won't win unless he gets some toughness on that team.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I agree
