What has happened to Antonio Gates? (1 Viewer)

[laughinboy_2000]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage. I also saw where he was nursing a slight groin pull he got in practice last week. Anyone have any news? I would be worried if I were a Gates owner because he has been ignored and the QB situation looks bad. Thoughts??

 

[Capella]

 

[trader jake]

Worrying due to Philip Rivers is a split debate around here. (I'm in the no worries camp)

There are no other worries about Gates.

 

[JMJ]

 

[Solidsteel Rats]

If the QB stinks (which I think he does) he can't throw to WR's then...which means 8 men in the box on Defense to control LT... so who is left to catch a pass...hmmmmm

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

You have to expect this reaction when you post stuff like this. Everything is fine.

 

[[icon]]

OMFG Drop him to TE18

 

[chris1969]

Gates only gets better if Rivers stinks.

 

[phrozen]

you better avoid Gates at all costs

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Rivers > Brees... this year.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage.

I wouldn't worry. LT hasn't been involved, either. The Chargers really haven't played their first-team skill position guys for more than a few plays, other than Rivers. Despite being out there with mostly backups (against first-team defenses), Rivers has looked like non-garbage in my opinion. The fumbled snaps were ugly, but shouldn't be an ongoing problem. The pick to Urlacher was a mistake. I hope he'll learn from it. But on the whole, he's played well: 65% completion percentage, 7.2 yards per attempt, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a passer rating of 84.8.

 

[Keys Myaths]

And you guys think I'm crazy for harping on this crap so much.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage.

I wouldn't worry. LT hasn't been involved, either. The Chargers really haven't played their first-team skill position guys for more than a few plays, other than Rivers. Despite being out there with mostly backups (against first-team defenses), Rivers has looked like non-garbage in my opinion. The fumbled snaps were ugly, but shouldn't be an ongoing problem. The pick to Urlacher was a mistake. I hope he'll learn from it. But on the whole, he's played well: 65% completion percentage, 7.2 yards per attempt, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a passer rating of 84.8.

 

[PACKER 7]

Why is it that even when guys have never been given the opportunity to prove it people just flat out say,"He stinks or is garbage"?

Rivers in the Preseason

vs GB 15/21 169 1 0

vs Chi 9/14 75 0 1

vs Sea 6/11 89 0 0 (had 3 fumbles as well

So to summarize in his brief history as a 1st Year QB in the pre-season:

30/46 333 1 1 3 fumbles

That's not awful, not great, but definitely not awful.

Anyways it's the pre-season. He'll have to prove it during the regular season. Geesh.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage. I also saw where he was nursing a slight groin pull he got in practice last week. Anyone have any news? I would be worried if I were a Gates owner because he has been ignored and the QB situation looks bad. Thoughts??

I honestly do not know what is funnier.....the content of your post or the fact that you had to edit it for whatever reason.Gates is done. If you have him trade him for Cedric Cobbs. Cobbs is leading the league in rushing this PRE-season.

 

[chris1969]

If Rivers is really bad, they may put Gates in at QB and he should easily lead the league in pass attempts by a TE.

 

[Norman Einstein]

Why is it that even when guys have never been given the opportunity to prove it people just flat out say,"He stinks or is garbage"?

Rivers in the Preseason

vs GB 15/21 169 1 0

vs Chi 9/14 75 0 1

vs Sea 6/11 89 0 0 (had 3 fumbles as well

So to summarize in his brief history as a 1st Year QB in the pre-season:

30/46 333 1 1 3 fumbles

That's not awful, not great, but definitely not awful.

Anyways it's the pre-season. He'll have to prove it during the regular season. Geesh.

pretty sure he's not a 1st Year QB

 

[PACKER 7]

Why is it that even when guys have never been given the opportunity to prove it people just flat out say,"He stinks or is garbage"?

Rivers in the Preseason

vs GB 15/21 169 1 0

vs Chi 9/14 75 0 1

vs Sea 6/11 89 0 0 (had 3 fumbles as well

So to summarize in his brief history as a 1st Year QB in the pre-season:

30/46 333 1 1 3 fumbles

That's not awful, not great, but definitely not awful.

Anyways it's the pre-season. He'll have to prove it during the regular season. Geesh.

pretty sure he's not a 1st Year QB

Thanks smart ###. I suppose I should have said 1st year starting QB. That ok with you?

 

[Norman Einstein]

Why is it that even when guys have never been given the opportunity to prove it people just flat out say,"He stinks or is garbage"?

Rivers in the Preseason

vs GB 15/21 169 1 0

vs Chi 9/14 75 0 1

vs Sea 6/11 89 0 0 (had 3 fumbles as well

So to summarize in his brief history as a 1st Year QB in the pre-season:

30/46 333 1 1 3 fumbles

That's not awful, not great, but definitely not awful.

Anyways it's the pre-season. He'll have to prove it during the regular season. Geesh.

pretty sure he's not a 1st Year QB

Thanks smart ###. I suppose I should have said 1st year starting QB. That ok with you?

just making a clarification, since i'm sure there's some advantage to having some NFL experience under his belt...

 

[Slinger]

Why is it that even when guys have never been given the opportunity to prove it people just flat out say,"He stinks or is garbage"?

Rivers in the Preseason

vs GB 15/21 169 1 0

vs Chi 9/14 75 0 1

vs Sea 6/11 89 0 0 (had 3 fumbles as well

So to summarize in his brief history as a 1st Year QB in the pre-season:

30/46 333 1 1 3 fumbles

That's not awful, not great, but definitely not awful.

Anyways it's the pre-season. He'll have to prove it during the regular season. Geesh.

pretty sure he's not a 1st Year QB

Thanks smart ###. I suppose I should have said 1st year starting QB. That ok with you?

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

If Rivers is really bad, they may put Gates in at QB and he should easily lead the league in pass attempts by a TE.

 

[PACKER 7]

Really? So I guess no one here knows that Phillip Rivers didn't get drafted in 2006? I think that is pretty much common knowledge.

Anyway, I guess I overreacted so I'll digress, but it seems that 75% of the posts lately are trying to be funny, smart elic, etc.

I'm just a little over that right now.

I apologize if it wasn't meant in a smart elic tone, but it seemed so to me.

Moving on.

 

[Da Guru]

Gates is good, but my feeling is those who take him high will not be as happy with rivers as they were with Brees.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And you guys think I'm crazy for harping on this crap so much.

Yeah, that's why.

 

[Keys Myaths]

And you guys think I'm crazy for harping on this crap so much.

Yeah, that's why.

I thought we were iPals.

 

[corpcow]

Worrying due to Philip Rivers is a split debate around here. (I'm in the no worries camp)There are no other worries about Gates.

Luck of the draw, based on value I ended up with both LT and Gates in one league. I feel both will produce even if Rivers struggle.Why? Because a great pass-catching RB and a big, fast TE are the perfect safety nets for a struggling young QB. The read is easier when you can just loft it up high in the middle and trust your guy is going to get it, or a quick swing pass out into the flat.So I see both of them having big years regardless of Rivers.

 

[corpcow]

If Rivers is really bad, they may put Gates in at QB and he should easily lead the league in pass attempts by a TE.

No, I think that'll be LT. If I recall, he had a perfect passer rating last year on his 3 attempts (all of which went for TDs). Unfortunately, i can't seem to verify that, to find passing stats for him. But did you know he (LT) played in the SUBERBOWL last year?! Seriously... check it out!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2553

 

[ren hoek]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2553

wow, wtf.

 

[Armando]

He probably won't be much of an option this year. LT2 will relieve Turner on 3rd downs.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2553

wow, wtf.

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to say "Pro Bowl" rather than "Super Bowl." It lists the opponent as "NFC."

 

[BoltBacker]

This board is really slipping.

In before "ball cancer"? Umbeevable.

 

[laxiepoo]

If Rivers is really bad, they may put Gates in at QB and he should easily lead the league in pass attempts by a TE.

No, I think that'll be LT. If I recall, he had a perfect passer rating last year on his 3 attempts (all of which went for TDs). Unfortunately, i can't seem to verify that, to find passing stats for him. But did you know he (LT) played in the SUBERBOWL last year?! Seriously... check it out!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2553

Stats for this:2005 Week 16 YTD Stats at FBG.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush Rush Rush Fum Rec Num Rec Fan # Running Back NFL GP Yds Att Comp TDs Int Yds Att TDs Lost Yds Rec TDs Pts--- --------------------- --- -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- ----- 1 Alexander,Shaun SEA 15 0 0 0 0 0 1807 350 26 0 78 15 1 350.5 2 Tomlinson,Ladainian SD 15 47 4 3 3 0 1372 321 17 1 366 50 2 302.23 of 4 for 47 yards and 3 TDs. Go LT! =)Cheers!

-- Lax the Chargers Homer

 

[corpcow]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2553

wow, wtf.

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to say "Pro Bowl" rather than "Super Bowl." It lists the opponent as "NFC."

I know what it's SUPPOSED to say... but it doesn't even say SUPER, it says SUBER... the SUBER BOWL.

 

[Despyzer]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage. I also saw where he was nursing a slight groin pull he got in practice last week. Anyone have any news? I would be worried if I were a Gates owner because he has been ignored and the QB situation looks bad. Thoughts??

I honestly do not know what is funnier.....the content of your post or the fact that you had to edit it for whatever reason.Gates is done. If you have him trade him for Cedric Cobbs. Cobbs is leading the league in rushing this PRE-season.

How about the fact that we have about a dozen "Gates is doomed" threads already? That's got to count for some amount of humor.

 

[H.K.]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage. I also saw where he was nursing a slight groin pull he got in practice last week. Anyone have any news? I would be worried if I were a Gates owner because he has been ignored and the QB situation looks bad. Thoughts??

I am in 100% agreement. Rivers will destroy Gates' value this year. Some people can't seem to grasp the thought of a player not putting up similar numbers from one year to the next, despite losing a Pro-Bowl QB and replacing him with a guy with zero experience.Alos, now that OT Roman Oben is out, Gates will be needed to block more (see Gonzo 2005).Finally, inexperienced QB's do not throw more to TE's. They actually throw more to WR's. Can't remember the name of the poster who dispelled this myth, but he did a great analysis.

 

[Despyzer]

I am in 100% agreement. Rivers will destroy Gates' value this year. Some people can't seem to grasp the thought of a player not putting up similar numbers from one year to the next, despite losing a Pro-Bowl QB and replacing him with a guy with zero experience.Alos, now that OT Roman Oben is out, Gates will be needed to block more (see Gonzo 2005).Finally, inexperienced QB's do not throw more to TE's. They actually throw more to WR's. Can't remember the name of the poster who dispelled this myth, but he did a great analysis.

H.K., you are really starting to embarass yourself. Just stop, man.

 

[corpcow]

Stats for this:

2005 Week 16 YTD Stats at FBG.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------								 Pass Pass Pass Pass Pass Rush  Rush  Rush  Fum   Rec  Num   Rec   Fan  # Running Back		  NFL GP  Yds  Att Comp  TDs  Int  Yds   Att   TDs Lost   Yds  Rec   TDs   Pts--- --------------------- --- -- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- -----  1 Alexander,Shaun	   SEA 15	0	0	0	0	0 1807   350	26	0	78   15	 1 350.5  2 Tomlinson,Ladainian   SD  15   47	4	3	3	0 1372   321	17	1   366   50	 2 302.2

3 of 4 for 47 yards and 3 TDs. Go LT! =)

Haha. Yes! Ok, so he missed one. At least one of those went to Gates, so you know LT will throw to Gates when he takes over for Rivers.

 

[nygiants56]

Why is it that even when guys have never been given the opportunity to prove it people just flat out say,"He stinks or is garbage"?

Rivers in the Preseason

vs GB 15/21 169 1 0

vs Chi 9/14 75 0 1

vs Sea 6/11 89 0 0 (had 3 fumbles as well

So to summarize in his brief history as a 1st Year QB in the pre-season:

30/46 333 1 1 3 fumbles

That's not awful, not great, but definitely not awful.

Anyways it's the pre-season. He'll have to prove it during the regular season. Geesh.

not the old 'its pre-season' crutch again.. the Packers look absolutely terrible, putrid, downright ugly..they are easily the NFL's worst team heading into the 2006 season..is it just 'pre-season', or do they just outright STINK?!? oh, they flat-out STINK, for sure! they aren't going to turn things around..they'll be lucky to win 3 games..

sometimes it is what it is, 'pre-season' or not..

Gates should be fine, Rivers will struggle at times this year, and look good other times..but I'm not going to summarily dismiss pre-season stats, just because people think it doesn't matter..ask Parcells or Bellichick if preseason matters..

for example, I have LJ, and from what I've seen in preseason, I've got to believe he won't come close to having as big a year as everyone thinks he will. he'll still be good, but not `2300 yards` good..they haven't shown much in preseason..TB has struggled to run the ball..that offensive line is in shambles..is it going to affect cadillac williams? you bet it will..Minnesota, as a team, has averaged just 3.2 yards/carry rushing in preseason..is it going to spill over into the regular season? yes, it most likely will..

Rivers has been solid, yet unspectacular..I don't think he's going to be the big time QB that many people in here think he will be, not this year , anyways..first year QB's ALWAYS struggle, unless your name is Marino..

as a result, will Gates' stats suffer? I think they will dip a bit this year..he'll still be the best TE , IMO, but his numbers might come down to earth a bit..

 

[Courtjester]

But being that Rivers is a question mark at best, would it not stand to reason that value can be had in passing on Gates and taking a player of equal value (assuming non-TE mandatory league) such as a starting WR in the spot you might be thinking about Gates??

My point is I have seen Gates go pretty high in some drafts by owners counting on him putting up the same or better numbers.

I, and this my opinion, am happy to let these owners expend that higher draft pick on him while I can get value and or depth or (in TE mandatory leagues) get a serviceable TE in a later round.

 

[mudshark]

This board is really slipping.In before "ball cancer"? Umbeevable.

I was thinking the same thing as I read through the superior insight. With a few exceptions, this thread is a great example of how not to be excellent to each other.I'm a Gates owner in one league and a Rivers owner in another. Any useful insight is greatly appreciated

 

[H.K.]

But being that Rivers is a question mark at best, would it not stand to reason that value can be had in passing on Gates and taking a player of equal value (assuming non-TE mandatory league) such as a starting WR in the spot you might be thinking about Gates??My point is I have seen Gates go pretty high in some drafts by owners counting on him putting up the same or better numbers.I, and this my opinion, am happy to let these owners expend that higher draft pick on him while I can get value and or depth or (in TE mandatory leagues) get a serviceable TE in a later round.

2006 does not equal 2005If you believe in VBD and regression to the mean, let Gates go.

 

[corpcow]

anyways..first year QB's ALWAYS struggle, unless your name is Marino..

Or Ben.

 

[corpcow]

2006 does not equal 2005If you believe in VBD and regression to the mean, let Gates go.

The funny thing is, I took Gates in an early 12 team draft at 3.2 - something I would NEVER do - because DD had him at the top value pick BY FAR. The top 4 WRs were gone already. At that point, I was more leery of Moss, and thought about Boldin, but ... well, I took a gamble.

 

[Despyzer]

anyways..first year QB's ALWAYS struggle, unless your name is Marino..

Or Ben.

Or Drew, or Chad, or Tom. or... man, this could be a long list.

 

[satch]

To answer the original question "What has happened to Antonio Gates?", the QB that helped Gates along to elite TE status is gone. He will now be working with a new QB who has virtually zero experience as an NFL starter. While he should still be considered a top flight fantasy TE, the only realistic expectation for Gates is that his numbers will go down this year. To think otherwise is myopic. Don't expect last years numbers.

 

[PahtyTom]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage. I also saw where he was nursing a slight groin pull he got in practice last week. Anyone have any news? I would be worried if I were a Gates owner because he has been ignored and the QB situation looks bad. Thoughts??

I am in 100% agreement. Rivers will destroy Gates' value this year. Some people can't seem to grasp the thought of a player not putting up similar numbers from one year to the next, despite losing a Pro-Bowl QB and replacing him with a guy with zero experience.Alos, now that OT Roman Oben is out, Gates will be needed to block more (see Gonzo 2005).Finally, inexperienced QB's do not throw more to TE's. They actually throw more to WR's. Can't remember the name of the poster who dispelled this myth, but he did a great analysis.

What? H.K. you don't like Rivers and Gates this year? I couldn't tell from the other 900 posts you've made bashing them. We get it, let it play out now.

 

[ericttspikes]

Antonio has not been involved in the offense during pre-season, and Phillip Rivers has looked like garbage. I also saw where he was nursing a slight groin pull he got in practice last week. Anyone have any news? I would be worried if I were a Gates owner because he has been ignored and the QB situation looks bad. Thoughts??

I am in 100% agreement. Rivers will destroy Gates' value this year. Some people can't seem to grasp the thought of a player not putting up similar numbers from one year to the next, despite losing a Pro-Bowl QB and replacing him with a guy with zero experience.Alos, now that OT Roman Oben is out, Gates will be needed to block more (see Gonzo 2005).Finally, inexperienced QB's do not throw more to TE's. They actually throw more to WR's. Can't remember the name of the poster who dispelled this myth, but he did a great analysis.

This is kind of like the "which came first, the chicken or the egg". Because Brees was a Pro Bowler in SD, does this mean he will be in N.O.? Will the N.O. TE now put up Gates's stats? I don't think so. I guess we will see who made who this year. My bet is that Gates's talent (and LT) went a long way to making Brees a Pro Bowl player.

 

[Jayrod]

anyways..first year QB's ALWAYS struggle, unless your name is Marino..

Or Ben.

Or Drew, or Chad, or Tom. or... man, this could be a long list.

.....or Kurt

 

[PahtyTom]

anyways..first year QB's ALWAYS struggle, unless your name is Marino..

Or Ben.

Or Drew, or Chad, or Tom. or... man, this could be a long list.

.....or Kurt

If I recall Brian Griese was pretty unbelievable in his first year as a starter. So...Or Brian, or Daunte...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

anyways..first year QB's ALWAYS struggle, unless your name is Marino..

Or Ben.

Or Drew, or Chad, or Tom. or... man, this could be a long list.

.....or Kurt

If I recall Brian Griese was pretty unbelievable in his first year as a starter. So...Or Brian, or Daunte...

Or Marc or Michael.