What I Learned (1 Viewer)

[karmarooster]

I just wanted to throw out some Week 1 (over)Reactions and see what the other Sharks agree or disagree with. As always, I'm most interested in dissenting opinions.

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Steelers vs. Titans

The Steelers o-line, FWP, and Mendenhall are very much below average. Only play FWP at home and only against excellent defensive matchups.
Because of this, Big Ben could throw for the most yards in his career this year... shouldn't be that hard as his previous best is only 3500. Granted 70 or so of his 363 yards came in overtime, but I'd say he has an outside shot of averaging 250 yards per game and joining the 4,000 club this year.
Santonio Holmes is the real deal. After owning him last year, I avoided him this year and thought he would be overvalued because of the Superbowl. It looks like he really has turned the corner. He could have 1300+ yards this year... only needs to average 78 yards per game for the rest of the way.
Hines Ward is still dependable.
The Titans o-line is still dominant, but I was disappointed in the of way the Titans offense utilized Chris Johnson, but hopefully this will change against lesser defenses. Lendale looked better at the lighter weight.
Kerry Collins has enough weapons at WR and TE to keep the defense honest. Gage may be worth a start at WR3 in PPR leagues. If Scaife misses much time, rookie Jared Cook has a nice opportunity.Dolphins vs. Falcons

Really disappointed that in-his-prime, 2-years-removed-from-ACL-surgery Ronnie Brown didn't look any better than 32 year old Ricky Williams. I bought into the Ronnie hype and I'd still like to see him have a breakout year, but he's probably only worth a start at home. 17 combined carries just isn't that much to go around.
Bess is probably a low-end WR3 in PPR, and other than that, all other Dolphin WRs and TEs are too inconsistent, including Ted Ginn.
Matt Ryan is still a low-end QB1.
Turner is always going to have games like this. Anyone happy with 6.5 points from their first round pick? If you own him, there's nothing you can do about it. The Falcons were leading by 10, then 16, then 19 points at home for all but 3 minutes, and he still didn't get it done. One of the more inconsistent RBs because he doesn't catch any passes to supplement his stats when he doesn't score a TD. Norwood scored more points in PPR (10).
Tony Gonzalez is still a top 3 TE.
Gonzalez will be detrimental to Roddy White's numbers for the season.Broncos vs. Bengals

The Bengals o-line is going to limit the entire offense. Only 7 points, AT HOME, against one of the weakest defenses in the NFL. They may gel in the second half of the season once Andre Smith gets going, and could be decent buy low candidates next week.
OchoCinco will be better than last year.... 80/1200/6.
Caldwell kills the value of both Coles and Henry. Maybe he's worth an emergency WR3 in PPR?
Benson will remain the starter unless he gets injured.
Until further notice, I wouldn't be happy to start any Bronco at any position. Maybe the Bengals defense is better than average, but everything is spread too thin for ANYONE to have much value... Royal, Marshall, and Moreno included.Vikings vs. Browns

Adrian Peterson will be the player to lead many fantasy teams to the championship, ala Priest Holmes, Sean Alexander, LT, Brady and Moss in years past. This is the year he goes for 1800+ and 20+ TDs.... only needs to average 108 rushing yards and 1.1 TDs the next 15 games to do it... and he certainly has the talent.
A nice start for Percy Harvin, and I expect his touches to up as the season continues. 2 carries, 11 yards each; 4 targets, 3 receptions, 36 yards, 1 TD. Too talented for Chester Taylor (7 carries, 17 yards 2.4ypc). These stats could double - 4 carries, 30-40 yards, 8 targets, 6 receptions, 65 yards - looks possible.
Which of these is not like the other: AP - 7.2 ypc, Harvin 11.0 ypc, Taylor 2.4 ypc. Against the Browns, Chester?!
Favre is just good enough in real life, but nothing you want in fantasy.
Braylon Edwards will be better than last year, but not by very much. Still too risky for WR3 until he shows me something.
Avoid all other Browns like the swine flu.Jaguars vs. Colts

Reggie Wayne is still a stud, last year was an anomaly, this year he returns to 90/1500/10. Top 5 WR and this could be a career year for him.
Peyton Manning is the same-old, same-old.
Addai looked good... Brown may spell him enough to keep him more healthy than he has been. If Brown takes over, it might not be until later in the season than previously anticipated.
Right now I'd take the OVER for MJD and 300 carries, and the OVER 50 receptions.... IF he stays healthy. 21 rushes for him and only 1 other RB had a rush.... also had more targets (8) than any other WR or TE (Holt = 5, Lewis = 6).
Avoid all other Jaguars until we see them play at home, including Garrard and Holt.**********

Lions vs. Saints

I know, it's just the Lions... but Brees has a chance at 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs. At home or in another dome, it looks like his floor is 250 and 2 TDs.
When they're at home or in another dome, you might want to start any Saint WR including Henderson and Meachem. Let's see if Brees cools down a bit...
Reggie Bush is still a must-start in PPR leagues
This game plus the pre-season makes me think Shockey is a top 5 TE.
Colston will be inconsistent; could have games like this 3/30/TD or the 7/140/TD his owners hope for.
For Calvin Johnson, it looks like he can only go up. 3/90 in Stafford first game isn't a bad start.
Kevin Smith could be a top 10 RB in PPR because there's just nothing else.Cowboys vs. Bucs

I was really down on Romo and Roy Williams. There were several fluky connections with Williams, Crayton, and Austin, but I had the Cowboys aerial game pegged as very pedestrian. It won't stay like this, but maybe they are still a legit offense.
I going to blame Switz for this, but I bit on the Felix Jones hype. He's gotta get better than this, but I was surprised he didn't even get a target while TChoice had two and two receptions. Felix is a good buy low candidate (I hope).
Honestly, I could not be more surprised with Cadillac. I avoided all Bucs RBs, and now it looks like both Caddie and Ward are Flex or RB2 worthy.
Michael Clayton will have to do this for much longer to change my mind. or maybe it was just Gruden that kept him down all those years?Eagles vs. Panthers

I was surprised that JStewart was fully healthy, for a few weeks I had been thinking that Williams was a lock for a repeat monster season because Stewart had an acute achilles problem.
If the Panthers can show anything respectable in the next week or two, I'll be looking to trade Williams and Steve Smith. This will not be a happy year for them.
Tough to get a read on the Eagles in this game because it was just too easy. But Celek showed why he was such a great sleeper.
DeSean Jackson could be a good buy-low candidate.
More to come later....

 

[prgromek]

I own Ronnie Brown in several leagues too...what the heck happened yesterday? 4 1st half carries?

I didn't watch the game but it doesn't look like the even tried to establish the ground game yesterday

Sounds like the O-Line didn't have a good game at all which is disappointing.

 

[War Eagle]

I own Ronnie Brown in several leagues too...what the heck happened yesterday? 4 1st half carries?I didn't watch the game but it doesn't look like the even tried to establish the ground game yesterdaySounds like the O-Line didn't have a good game at all which is disappointing.

It's like when Cam Cameron was there....when he finally learned to give Ronnie the ball 20+ times, good things started happening!Bottom line is he's just not getting opportunities for some reason. He'd be money with 20+ hand offs and the Dolphins would be better for it!

 

[GloryDaze]

You misspelled learnt.

 

[NoCheese]

Good thoughts, but seriously on Holmes? After one game you're convinced he's the real deal? He may be, but I think it's too early to tell.

 

[karmarooster]

You misspelled learnt.

Thanks for your worthless contribution. As this is American Football, I will happily use the American English form.

What is the difference between 'learnt' and 'learned'? These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. Learnt is more common in British English, and learned in American English. There are a number of verbs of this type (burn, dream, kneel, lean, leap, spell, spill, spoil etc.). They are all irregular verbs, and this is a part of their irregularity.

Source: Oxford English Dictionary

 

[GloryDaze]

You misspelled learnt.

Thanks for your worthless contribution. As this is American Football, I will happily use the American English form.

What is the difference between 'learnt' and 'learned'? These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. Learnt is more common in British English, and learned in American English. There are a number of verbs of this type (burn, dream, kneel, lean, leap, spell, spill, spoil etc.). They are all irregular verbs, and this is a part of their irregularity.

Source: Oxford English Dictionary

Just trying to contribute some humor. Sorry.

 

[Pyscho Wife]

You misspelled learnt.

Thanks for your worthless contribution. As this is American Football, I will happily use the American English form.

What is the difference between 'learnt' and 'learned'? These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. Learnt is more common in British English, and learned in American English. There are a number of verbs of this type (burn, dream, kneel, lean, leap, spell, spill, spoil etc.). They are all irregular verbs, and this is a part of their irregularity.

Source: Oxford English Dictionary

Just trying to contribute some humor. Sorry.

I LOL'ed.

 

[hook014]

You misspelled learnt.

Thanks for your worthless contribution. As this is American Football, I will happily use the American English form.

What is the difference between 'learnt' and 'learned'? These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. Learnt is more common in British English, and learned in American English. There are a number of verbs of this type (burn, dream, kneel, lean, leap, spell, spill, spoil etc.). They are all irregular verbs, and this is a part of their irregularity.

Source: Oxford English Dictionary

Just trying to contribute some humor. Sorry.

I LOL'ed. :(

Me too.

 

[karmarooster]

Good thoughts, but seriously on Holmes? After one game you're convinced he's the real deal? He may be, but I think it's too early to tell.

Well, it's not just one game but 2... the Superbowl. actually i just realized this cos i had to look it up, but he had the exact same stat-line in both games: 9 for 131 and a TD. This after not having a single game over 100 yards in 16 regular season games and 2 playoff games. Also the fact the the steelers won't be able to run effective against anything but a very bad defense... I like Holmes not only to break 1000 yards for the first time, but 1200 as well. Also, can you edit your post to trim some of the OP? TIA.

 

[NoCheese]

Pretty good list, BTW. Thanks for taking the time. Serious question on Addai. He had 17 carries for 42 yards. You said he looked good? Did you see the game? I only saw a little bit of it, but something tells me 2.5 yds/carry shouldn't look good.

 

[karmarooster]

Is this about the other thread a day or two ago where the guy said learnt?

if so, sorry to respond harshly... i thought u were honestly out on grammar patrol.

 

[karmarooster]

Pretty good list, BTW. Thanks for taking the time. Serious question on Addai. He had 17 carries for 42 yards. You said he looked good? Did you see the game? I only saw a little bit of it, but something tells me 2.5 yds/carry shouldn't look good.

well, my reasoning is that he had 2.5ypc while Brown only had 3.0ypc. His value mostly came from the TD, his 5 for 35 receiving, and the fact that he got 17 carries.

 

[NoCheese]

Good thoughts, but seriously on Holmes? After one game you're convinced he's the real deal? He may be, but I think it's too early to tell.

Well, it's not just one game but 2... the Superbowl. actually i just realized this cos i had to look it up, but he had the exact same stat-line in both games: 9 for 131 and a TD. This after not having a single game over 100 yards in 16 regular season games and 2 playoff games. Also the fact the the steelers won't be able to run effective against anything but a very bad defense... I like Holmes not only to break 1000 yards for the first time, but 1200 as well. Also, can you edit your post to trim some of the OP? TIA.

Edited the post. On Holmes, the knock on him has always been injury and inconsistency. I agree that 2 straight games with big numbers is a cause for optimism, but I just think it's too early to say he's the real deal.

 

[karmarooster]

Good thoughts, but seriously on Holmes? After one game you're convinced he's the real deal? He may be, but I think it's too early to tell.

Well, it's not just one game but 2... the Superbowl. actually i just realized this cos i had to look it up, but he had the exact same stat-line in both games: 9 for 131 and a TD. This after not having a single game over 100 yards in 16 regular season games and 2 playoff games. Also the fact the the steelers won't be able to run effective against anything but a very bad defense... I like Holmes not only to break 1000 yards for the first time, but 1200 as well. Also, can you edit your post to trim some of the OP? TIA.

Edited the post. On Holmes, the knock on him has always been injury and inconsistency. I agree that 2 straight games with big numbers is a cause for optimism, but I just think it's too early to say he's the real deal.

you're probably right, because i'm forgetting very quickly how absolutely TERRIBLE he was in PPR last year the whole time... that's why i avoided him in every league. it's just gut, but i don't see as many 3 for 30 games this year.

 

[Two Deep]

Wild Pat and the Wildcat is laughable. The Dolphins have a 75% chance of starting 0-4 this season. Pennington does not instill fear in opposing D's. My prediction for Pennington and Dolphin fans is pain. Henne needs to be and will be the starting QB by week 5.

 

[GloryDaze]

Are you just breaking down box scores for us or did you really watch all of these games?

 

[karmarooster]

Are you just breaking down box scores for us or did you really watch all of these games?

I watched parts of all these games on NFL Game Pass, highlights for all games on NFL.com, but none of the games in their entirety except for Pitt/Ten. Again, I apologize for jumping on your humor... but what are you contributing here? Why are you just taking cheap shots when I took the time to write this up? If you disagree with anything I said, please say so... that's how I learn.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Antwaan Randle El is one of the better slot WR's in the NFL and is finally being used in the correct role by the Redskins.

 

[Novice2]

You misspelled learnt.

Thanks for your worthless contribution. As this is American Football, I will happily use the American English form.

Just trying to contribute some humor. Sorry.

I LOL'ed.

Me too.

Me too but i just saw the Brett Favre commercial.I learndid to never ever draft players you do not like no matter how much the cheetsheets scream VALUE. :cough: SJAX :cough:

 

[GloryDaze]

I'm just curious. I don't mind discussing the games, but if you're just reciting stats from the gamebook and highlights, it's really not worth it. Your comments about Addai just seemed to me like you were only looking at the stats.

I will comment on Min-Cle

Minnesota's offense looked rather pedestrian for the entire first half. Cleveland's D was actually playing surprisingly well, but they just got worn down/winded and gave up a lot of big plays late in the game. ADP is certainly a fantastic back, but I'm not so sure everyone will completely fold like the Browns did. They definitely have a lot of plays specifically designed to get the ball in Harvin's hands. I'll be curious to see how much this continues when Berrian is 100%.

The Browns ran surprisingly well against the Vikings excellent front 7. Jamal sure ran tough for the miles he has put on over the years. If it keeps up, he's looking like quite the draft bargain. Quinn was just all around below average yesterday. I noticed a lot more 'wow that was bad' plays than 'hey he's coming along' plays. Pretty much the opposite of Sanchez. I do not like Edwards' prospects this year at all.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Good thoughts, but seriously on Holmes? After one game you're convinced he's the real deal? He may be, but I think it's too early to tell.

No, after about 4 games he's convinced. People saying last year's playoff run was a fluke are now having to question whether it was or it wasn't...and the Titans aren't exactly pushovers even with the loss of Haynesworth.By the time Holmes proves it to the non-believers, they won't have any chance of getting him without paying the inflated price to land him.

No, he isn't going to go for 9/130/1 every week. But the trend isn't one game, it's multiple games...and he's picking up where he left off.

 

[Balance]

Hines Ward is still dependable.Tony Gonzalez is still a top 3 TE.OchoCinco will be better than last yearA nice start for Percy HarvinReggie Wayne is still a stud

You sir, are breaking new barriers with your hard hitting insight and unique perspective.We should probably pin your threads each week.

 

[karmarooster]

I'm just curious. I don't mind discussing the games, but if you're just reciting stats from the gamebook and highlights, it's really not worth it. Your comments about Addai just seemed to me like you were only looking at the stats.I will comment on Min-CleMinnesota's offense looked rather pedestrian for the entire first half. Cleveland's D was actually playing surprisingly well, but they just got worn down/winded and gave up a lot of big plays late in the game. ADP is certainly a fantastic back, but I'm not so sure everyone will completely fold like the Browns did. They definitely have a lot of plays specifically designed to get the ball in Harvin's hands. I'll be curious to see how much this continues when Berrian is 100%.The Browns ran surprisingly well against the Vikings excellent front 7. Jamal sure ran tough for the miles he has put on over the years. If it keeps up, he's looking like quite the draft bargain. Quinn was just all around below average yesterday. I noticed a lot more 'wow that was bad' plays than 'hey he's coming along' plays. Pretty much the opposite of Sanchez. I do not like Edwards' prospects this year at all.

Wow. You have a real knack for deflating the energy and enthusiasm I had when I started this. I didn't watch all of every game, and I do use Box Score for analysis; I wasn't aware that was worthless. I was hoping that someone who has the time to re-watch every game could offer his insight to supplement my worthless observations... that's why I said "Looking for dissenting opinions." However, thanks for your comments on the Vikings. Cleveland's defense might not be terrible, after all they have Shaun Rodgers at DT, and they were playing at home, so i'm not all that surprised they put up a good fight. But Peterson wore them down. My interpretation is not that the Browns got winded, because any defense would get winded trying to tackle AP that many times. I expect Peterson to continue to play very well in the 2nd half. He was having a good game, and then turned into a great game. I don't see it as the Brown's folding, but that the o-line and AP eventually imposed their will. Maybe that's just those Nike commercials subliminally influencing me....Regarding Addai/Brown, from flipping back and forth during the game, keeping an eye on my fantasy score page, and looking at the box score, I concluded that Addai is worth it right now. Brown may take over, and I expect that Addai will have some of those games he's famous for where he comes out in the 2nd quarter, tries to go again in the 3rd or 4th, and doesn't have it. In that case, Brown will perform better than him, but for right now, Addai is the more valuable back, despite that fact that he average .5ypc less than Brown. I don't think 2.5ypc vs. 3.0ypc on 17 and 11 carries is significant. They both had long runs of 12 and 13 yards. Also Addai had 4 Red Zone carries compared to 0 for Brown (more Box Score research). That's my take at least. If there's something about Brown I'm missing, let me know. The only problem i'm aware of with Addai is that he fumbled.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

You know...I think Farve is a downgrade for the Vikes.

LOL now he is a dink & dunk game manager, Tjax did much better than that and made plays down the field.

Sure they didnt need that yesterday but i think Farve is living off his past bigtime right now.

 

[karmarooster]

Hines Ward is still dependable.Tony Gonzalez is still a top 3 TE.OchoCinco will be better than last yearA nice start for Percy HarvinReggie Wayne is still a stud

You sir, are breaking new barriers with your hard hitting insight and unique perspective.We should probably pin your threads each week.

In the pre-season, I anticipated:Hines Ward would be slightly less effective than last yearTony Gonzalez would not be a top 3 TE in a new scheme and a run first offenseReggie Wayne had lost a step and was no longer be a top 5 WRYou sir, can shove it. I've got half a mind to delete my post. Honestly, people like you are the reason why I hated the FFToday boards. I left there and came to FBGs because for the months of May, June, and July, people like you didn't hang out here. It was respectful and thoughtful discussion and polite debate. Something you might want to consider.

 

[sho nuff]

In IDP...start any and all DEs who go against the Packers RT Barbre.

 

[TenTimes]

Hines Ward is still dependable.Tony Gonzalez is still a top 3 TE.OchoCinco will be better than last yearA nice start for Percy HarvinReggie Wayne is still a stud

You sir, are breaking new barriers with your hard hitting insight and unique perspective.We should probably pin your threads each week.

Please forget your password

 

[karmarooster]

You know...I think Farve is a downgrade for the Vikes. LOL now he is a dink & dunk game manager, Tjax did much better than that and made plays down the field. Sure they didnt need that yesterday but i think Farve is living off his past bigtime right now.

Honestly, I was excited for Rosenfels, if he could challenged the defense and limit the turnovers (maybe impossible for him). I didn't get there, but apparently my opinions are worthless... so who knows if I will... but what's your take on Schaub?Unfortunately, I started him in 2 different leagues and was certain he was a top 5 QB if healthy. Should that opinion be re-evaluated, or is it just that the Jets defense is top-notch?

 

[Banger]

Hines Ward is still dependable.Tony Gonzalez is still a top 3 TE.OchoCinco will be better than last yearA nice start for Percy HarvinReggie Wayne is still a stud

You sir, are breaking new barriers with your hard hitting insight and unique perspective.We should probably pin your threads each week.

In the pre-season, I anticipated:Hines Ward would be slightly less effective than last yearTony Gonzalez would not be a top 3 TE in a new scheme and a run first offenseReggie Wayne had lost a step and now longer be a top 5 WRYou sir, can shove it. I've got half a mind to delete my post. Honestly, people like you are the reason why I hated the FFToday boards. I left there and came to FBGs because for the months of May, June, and July, people like you didn't hang out here. It was respectful and thoughtful discussion and polite debate. Something you might want to consider.

it usually clears out by week 8 or so. Good posting in this thread and others. don't get discouraged.

 

[Banger]

You know...I think Farve is a downgrade for the Vikes. LOL now he is a dink & dunk game manager, Tjax did much better than that and made plays down the field. Sure they didnt need that yesterday but i think Farve is living off his past bigtime right now.

Honestly, I was excited for Rosenfels, if he could challenged the defense and limit the turnovers (maybe impossible for him). I didn't get there, but apparently my opinions are worthless... so who knows if I will... but what's your take on Schaub?Unfortunately, I started him in 2 different leagues and was certain he was a top 5 QB if healthy. Should that opinion be re-evaluated, or is it just that the Jets defense is top-notch?

Schaub is good. He got a little too expensive for me this year but he'll be fine. I think the Jets were tough, they couldn't run the ball, the Jets had a good pass rush, they doubled A. Johnson all day and missed Walter a ton. These 1st few weeks are always tricky because it takes some time to figure out what is real and what is a one week anomoly. I'm talking more in terms to not really individual changes but team changes...new defenses, new OC's offenses, new lines, etc..

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

You know...I think Farve is a downgrade for the Vikes. LOL now he is a dink & dunk game manager, Tjax did much better than that and made plays down the field. Sure they didnt need that yesterday but i think Farve is living off his past bigtime right now.

Honestly, I was excited for Rosenfels, if he could challenged the defense and limit the turnovers (maybe impossible for him). I didn't get there, but apparently my opinions are worthless... so who knows if I will... but what's your take on Schaub?Unfortunately, I started him in 2 different leagues and was certain he was a top 5 QB if healthy. Should that opinion be re-evaluated, or is it just that the Jets defense is top-notch?

Schaub was overmatched versus that def. That had a nice scheme. But i dont look for too much improvement next week versus he Titans but overall i think he bounces back. When AJ Walters Slaton all get back on track id expect Schaub to go back to his normal self. Schaub will still be a mid top (6-10) fantasy qb. He is one you do better with a qbbc with and play matchups. This is my stragedy with him and Warner in one league.

 

[karmarooster]

Link to Jason Wood's very relevant One Week Does Not a Season Make.

My Post:

how can we separate things that are the "Real Deal" from the things that are "Week 1 Wonders"?

For example, Matt Schaub. This year's first game game was arguably worse than last year, not just because his stats are worse, but that more should be expected on an offense that returns 11 starters and the same coaching staff (minus Walter of course).

Schaub was my #1 QB value pick and i landed him in 2 leagues. Obviously I expect him to improve on this performance, but is it an overreaction to to think "maybe I was wrong" when I figured he was a top 5 QB if he stayed healthy for 16 games, or that he would be a Top 5 QB in Points Per Game?

 

[warren663]

I just wanted to throw out some Week 1 (over)Reactions and see what the other Sharks agree or disagree with. As always, I'm most interested in dissenting opinions.

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Steelers vs. Titans

The Steelers o-line, FWP, and Mendenhall are very much below average. Only play FWP at home and only against excellent defensive matchups.
Because of this, Big Ben could throw for the most yards in his career this year... shouldn't be that hard as his previous best is only 3500. Granted 70 or so of his 363 yards came in overtime, but I'd say he has an outside shot of averaging 250 yards per game and joining the 4,000 club this year.
Santonio Holmes is the real deal. After owning him last year, I avoided him this year and thought he would be overvalued because of the Superbowl. It looks like he really has turned the corner. He could have 1300+ yards this year... only needs to average 78 yards per game for the rest of the way.
Hines Ward is still dependable.
The Titans o-line is still dominant, but I was disappointed in the of way the Titans offense utilized Chris Johnson, but hopefully this will change against lesser defenses. Lendale looked better at the lighter weight.
Kerry Collins has enough weapons at WR and TE to keep the defense honest. Gage may be worth a start at WR3 in PPR leagues. If Scaife misses much time, rookie Jared Cook has a nice opportunity.Dolphins vs. Falcons

Really disappointed that in-his-prime, 2-years-removed-from-ACL-surgery Ronnie Brown didn't look any better than 32 year old Ricky Williams. I bought into the Ronnie hype and I'd still like to see him have a breakout year, but he's probably only worth a start at home. 17 combined carries just isn't that much to go around.
Bess is probably a low-end WR3 in PPR, and other than that, all other Dolphin WRs and TEs are too inconsistent, including Ted Ginn.
Matt Ryan is still a low-end QB1.
Turner is always going to have games like this. Anyone happy with 6.5 points from their first round pick? If you own him, there's nothing you can do about it. The Falcons were leading by 10, then 16, then 19 points at home for all but 3 minutes, and he still didn't get it done. One of the more inconsistent RBs because he doesn't catch any passes to supplement his stats when he doesn't score a TD. Norwood scored more points in PPR (10).
Tony Gonzalez is still a top 3 TE.
Gonzalez will be detrimental to Roddy White's numbers for the season.Broncos vs. Bengals

The Bengals o-line is going to limit the entire offense. Only 7 points, AT HOME, against one of the weakest defenses in the NFL. They may gel in the second half of the season once Andre Smith gets going, and could be decent buy low candidates next week.
OchoCinco will be better than last year.... 80/1200/6.
Caldwell kills the value of both Coles and Henry. Maybe he's worth an emergency WR3 in PPR?
Benson will remain the starter unless he gets injured.
Until further notice, I wouldn't be happy to start any Bronco at any position. Maybe the Bengals defense is better than average, but everything is spread too thin for ANYONE to have much value... Royal, Marshall, and Moreno included.Vikings vs. Browns

Adrian Peterson will be the player to lead many fantasy teams to the championship, ala Priest Holmes, Sean Alexander, LT, Brady and Moss in years past. This is the year he goes for 1800+ and 20+ TDs.... only needs to average 108 rushing yards and 1.1 TDs the next 15 games to do it... and he certainly has the talent.
A nice start for Percy Harvin, and I expect his touches to up as the season continues. 2 carries, 11 yards each; 4 targets, 3 receptions, 36 yards, 1 TD. Too talented for Chester Taylor (7 carries, 17 yards 2.4ypc). These stats could double - 4 carries, 30-40 yards, 8 targets, 6 receptions, 65 yards - looks possible.
Which of these is not like the other: AP - 7.2 ypc, Harvin 11.0 ypc, Taylor 2.4 ypc. Against the Browns, Chester?!
Favre is just good enough in real life, but nothing you want in fantasy.
Braylon Edwards will be better than last year, but not by very much. Still too risky for WR3 until he shows me something.
Avoid all other Browns like the swine flu.Jaguars vs. Colts

Reggie Wayne is still a stud, last year was an anomaly, this year he returns to 90/1500/10. Top 5 WR and this could be a career year for him.
Peyton Manning is the same-old, same-old.
Addai looked good... Brown may spell him enough to keep him more healthy than he has been. If Brown takes over, it might not be until later in the season than previously anticipated.
Right now I'd take the OVER for MJD and 300 carries, and the OVER 50 receptions.... IF he stays healthy. 21 rushes for him and only 1 other RB had a rush.... also had more targets (8) than any other WR or TE (Holt = 5, Lewis = 6).
Avoid all other Jaguars until we see them play at home, including Garrard and Holt.**********

Lions vs. Saints

I know, it's just the Lions... but Brees has a chance at 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs. At home or in another dome, it looks like his floor is 250 and 2 TDs.
When they're at home or in another dome, you might want to start any Saint WR including Henderson and Meachem. Let's see if Brees cools down a bit...
Reggie Bush is still a must-start in PPR leagues
This game plus the pre-season makes me think Shockey is a top 5 TE.
Colston will be inconsistent; could have games like this 3/30/TD or the 7/140/TD his owners hope for.
For Calvin Johnson, it looks like he can only go up. 3/90 in Stafford first game isn't a bad start.
Kevin Smith could be a top 10 RB in PPR because there's just nothing else.
More to come later....

Nice job! I appreciate the time and effort to write down your observations and opinions.

 

[UFO]

Nate Burleson will out produce TJ Housh. He looks like the real deal that he was two years ago. Hasselbeck was looking his way all days yesterday.

 

[karmarooster]

You know...I think Farve is a downgrade for the Vikes. LOL now he is a dink & dunk game manager, Tjax did much better than that and made plays down the field. Sure they didnt need that yesterday but i think Farve is living off his past bigtime right now.

Honestly, I was excited for Rosenfels, if he could challenged the defense and limit the turnovers (maybe impossible for him). I didn't get there, but apparently my opinions are worthless... so who knows if I will... but what's your take on Schaub?Unfortunately, I started him in 2 different leagues and was certain he was a top 5 QB if healthy. Should that opinion be re-evaluated, or is it just that the Jets defense is top-notch?

Schaub was overmatched versus that def. That had a nice scheme. But i dont look for too much improvement next week versus he Titans but overall i think he bounces back. When AJ Walters Slaton all get back on track id expect Schaub to go back to his normal self. Schaub will still be a mid top (6-10) fantasy qb. He is one you do better with a qbbc with and play matchups. This is my stragedy with him and Warner in one league.

I haven't dug it up in Data Dominator, but Schaub was better than QBBC or Mid-Range 6-10 QB last year. Walter's absence could have had a bigger effect than i anticipated, it makes sense logically. but I also wonder if the absence of a WR2 who is basically 2a or 2b with Daniels is really that important. It seems like Walter's absence would only make the offense slightly less effective instead of bringing the whole thing (QB,RB,WR1,TE) crashing down.

 

[karmarooster]

Nate Burleson will out produce TJ Housh. He looks like the real deal that he was two years ago. Hasselbeck was looking his way all days yesterday.

Nice call. At least, Burleson could out produce him in yardage. I still expect Housh to have more receptions than him, even tho Burleson had more targets. What really surprised me about the Seahawks offense was how effective Carlson was. I guess I wrote him off a bit last year because of all the WR injuries. I figured he would regress with Housh and Burleson, Butler, and Branch in the picture, not to mention that fact that Housh sort of occupies the same space on the field as the TE. Instead, he may have been one of the best values at TE along with Shockey.

 

[Banger]

You know...I think Farve is a downgrade for the Vikes. LOL now he is a dink & dunk game manager, Tjax did much better than that and made plays down the field. Sure they didnt need that yesterday but i think Farve is living off his past bigtime right now.

Honestly, I was excited for Rosenfels, if he could challenged the defense and limit the turnovers (maybe impossible for him). I didn't get there, but apparently my opinions are worthless... so who knows if I will... but what's your take on Schaub?Unfortunately, I started him in 2 different leagues and was certain he was a top 5 QB if healthy. Should that opinion be re-evaluated, or is it just that the Jets defense is top-notch?

Schaub was overmatched versus that def. That had a nice scheme. But i dont look for too much improvement next week versus he Titans but overall i think he bounces back. When AJ Walters Slaton all get back on track id expect Schaub to go back to his normal self. Schaub will still be a mid top (6-10) fantasy qb. He is one you do better with a qbbc with and play matchups. This is my stragedy with him and Warner in one league.

I haven't dug it up in Data Dominator, but Schaub was better than QBBC or Mid-Range 6-10 QB last year. Walter's absence could have had a bigger effect than i anticipated, it makes sense logically. but I also wonder if the absence of a WR2 who is basically 2a or 2b with Daniels is really that important. It seems like Walter's absence would only make the offense slightly less effective instead of bringing the whole thing (QB,RB,WR1,TE) crashing down.

I don't think it was Walter solely but Schaub was also coming off an injury which could have impacted his mobility.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

In the pre-season, I anticipated:

Hines Ward would be slightly less effective than last year

Tony Gonzalez would not be a top 3 TE in a new scheme and a run first offense

Reggie Wayne had lost a step and was no longer be a top 5 WR

You sir, can shove it. I've got half a mind to delete my post.

Honestly, people like you are the reason why I hated the FFToday boards. I left there and came to FBGs because for the months of May, June, and July, people like you didn't hang out here. It was respectful and thoughtful discussion and polite debate. Something you might want to consider.

FWIW, I like the idea behind this thread. The OP was just making observations to invite discussion. No reason to crap all over that IMO. If you saw a game and noticed anything, share it.

I watched the Fins/Falcons in their entirety, and I watched the Saints/Lions on the DTV Shortcut - which is an awesome extra that the Superfan offers - breaks every game down into 30 minutes of TV, editing out uselessness, and only shoiwing game action.

I was shocked at how Ronnie was used. He was not a part of the passing game, and he did not get nearly enough carries. He ran OK in his limited touches. Ricky looked better. It looks like this may be a shared backfield as many had suspected. I was not one of them, but I am thinking it may be the case now. The OL, which was supposed to be a huge asset this season looked awful. Maybe the ATL D line is significantly improved. Hope so, becuase if that is the OL we paid a gazillion dollars for, we clearly should have some buyer's remorse after this game. Ronnie's numbers likely would have been better if Miami did not turn the ball over 4 times. Fasano caught 2 passes, and fumbled them both away. He did score a TD, but it was called back. I suspect that Sparano will make the necessary adjustments to get things going next week. Ronnie seems to start slow every year. Even in 2007. Bess looked like a decent play in PPR. He got a lot of looks. He is a good football player. Wont score a lot, but will get his looks.

Given all the turnovers, Atlanta should have won the game by 4 TDs. Ryan missed Roddy on an easy deep TD pass where Roddy was 5 yards in the clear, and he missed a few other open receivers. He could have had a monster game. I am sure there are some of those on the horizon. It is tough for a D to focus on Turner, and still cover Gonzo, White, and Jenkins who looked decent. Miami's defense looked stout against Turner. The pass defense looks better on paper than it did in the game. Ryan let them off the hook.

In New Orleans, Brees was every bit as unstoppable as the box score suggests. Their offense looked as good as any that I have seen, including the Patriots in 07. Granted, it was the lions at home - I am just calling it like I saw it. The difference between N.O. and the 07 Pats is that N.O. is 5 deep at WR (if you count Bush as one), and can afford an injury. I think the Pats roll would have ended if Moss had gone down, although that is just conjecture. New Orleans could lose any 2 of their WRs, and still be very effective IMO. They kind of proved that last year when Colston/Shockey/Bush all went down. This offense could set records. Mike Bell looked good as a grinder. I own Pierre, so I hate to say it, but I am absolutely nervous about this situation. The one nice thing from Pierre's perspective is that Bell fumbled one that resulted in a TD. I think he had some ball control issues in Den too, so he could fumble his way back to the bench. Reggie looked terrible (as usual) carrying the ball, but looked decent as a receiver.

The Lions might be able to put up some points once Stafford gets comfortable, but he is not comfortable yet. They still put up 20 offensive points which is strong on the road, but they did not look impressive to me. Kevin Smith looked OK. Nothing special IMO. Calvin scored a TD that was nullified on what looked like a horrendous call from the officials that he was out of bounds. It was not a reviewable play. If it were, I think it would have been overturned.

 

[karmarooster]

[Nice job! I appreciate the time and effort to write down your observations and opinions.

Thanks for kind words. Did you see anything differently than I did?

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

You know...I think Farve is a downgrade for the Vikes. LOL now he is a dink & dunk game manager, Tjax did much better than that and made plays down the field. Sure they didnt need that yesterday but i think Farve is living off his past bigtime right now.

Honestly, I was excited for Rosenfels, if he could challenged the defense and limit the turnovers (maybe impossible for him). I didn't get there, but apparently my opinions are worthless... so who knows if I will... but what's your take on Schaub?Unfortunately, I started him in 2 different leagues and was certain he was a top 5 QB if healthy. Should that opinion be re-evaluated, or is it just that the Jets defense is top-notch?

Schaub was overmatched versus that def. That had a nice scheme. But i dont look for too much improvement next week versus he Titans but overall i think he bounces back. When AJ Walters Slaton all get back on track id expect Schaub to go back to his normal self. Schaub will still be a mid top (6-10) fantasy qb. He is one you do better with a qbbc with and play matchups. This is my stragedy with him and Warner in one league.

I haven't dug it up in Data Dominator, but Schaub was better than QBBC or Mid-Range 6-10 QB last year. Walter's absence could have had a bigger effect than i anticipated, it makes sense logically. but I also wonder if the absence of a WR2 who is basically 2a or 2b with Daniels is really that important. It seems like Walter's absence would only make the offense slightly less effective instead of bringing the whole thing (QB,RB,WR1,TE) crashing down.

DD or not, Ive never been a real fan of Schaub, i really think he is just a system qb. He is accurate at times but he doesnt have the skills of the elite qb's. His footwork is bad, and he doesnt have any zip on his throws. He is a touch passer but at times when you have a wr on the fly you need to have some zip on his passes. I dont know, im a homer but when you have AJ on the team your qb can produce nicely Tony Banks look servicable as well as Sage, the thing is they are turnover prone and Schaub is just a bit better managering the turnover.

 

[dirty_martini]

Unfortunately, I started him in 2 different leagues and was certain he was a top 5 QB if healthy. Should that opinion be re-evaluated, or is it just that the Jets defense is top-notch?

The Jets D is top notch. Kris Jenkins got hurt last year around game 9 or 10 and that contributed greatly to the Jets fall from grace even though the popular opinion is to blame it all on Favre and Mangini.

 

[LBH]

[Nice job! I appreciate the time and effort to write down your observations and opinions.

Thanks for kind words. Did you see anything differently than I did?

Good observations karmarooster. Dont let them get you down-Little Big Head

 

[karmarooster]

I watched the Fins/Falcons in their entirety, and I watched the Saints/Lions on the DTV Shortcut.

Great insight on Ronnie, Roddy, and Ryan. Sounds like maybe you think Ryan could be more than just a low-end QB1 as I suggested? That is encouraging cos I was really burned by Roddy White. Maybe it's not doom and gloom for Roddy with in the picture Gonzo, but I still think Turner was over-valued going into the season. As for Ronnie, do you think he could be a good Buy-Low? It would take some serious stones, but it could pay off. Surely he will get more carries at home, and Ricky is an injury risk at his age. I agree with you that Kevin Smith is pretty pedestrian, but that's more than can be said about Ronnie at this point. He doesn't have to share, and while he won't have many 100+ yard rushing games, he makes up for it with receptions. I'd say he's likely to finish higher than Ronnie at the end of the season... which is not what I anticipated this summer. Going into the drafts, I thought Matt Waldman was really onto something when he predicted a career year for Ronnie. It still could turn out to be true, but it's not looking likely.I'm with you on Pierre Thomas... very worried right now. however there's nothing to do but sit back and wait.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I watched the Fins/Falcons in their entirety, and I watched the Saints/Lions on the DTV Shortcut.

Great insight on Ronnie, Roddy, and Ryan. Sounds like maybe you think Ryan could be more than just a low-end QB1 as I suggested? That is encouraging cos I was really burned by Roddy White. Maybe it's not doom and gloom for Roddy with in the picture Gonzo, but I still think Turner was over-valued going into the season. As for Ronnie, do you think he could be a good Buy-Low? It would take some serious stones, but it could pay off. Surely he will get more carries at home, and Ricky is an injury risk at his age. I agree with you that Kevin Smith is pretty pedestrian, but that's more than can be said about Ronnie at this point. He doesn't have to share, and while he won't have many 100+ yard rushing games, he makes up for it with receptions. I'd say he's likely to finish higher than Ronnie at the end of the season... which is not what I anticipated this summer. Going into the drafts, I thought Matt Waldman was really onto something when he predicted a career year for Ronnie. It still could turn out to be true, but it's not looking likely.I'm with you on Pierre Thomas... very worried right now. however there's nothing to do but sit back and wait.

IMHO Matt Ryan is another Peyton Manning in the making. He's a tremendous buy-low right now.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

quote]As for Ronnie, do you think he could be a good Buy-Low?

I do.

He has started slow every seasoon of his career. I am not a huge stat guy, but I bet if you look up Ronnie's first 2 games of each season, they are poop. It is not a good characteristic that it takes him 3 weeks to get it going, but it seems to be his M.O. It may be a function of the coaching staff taking 2 weeks to realize that they need to feed him the ball every season, but that seems far fetched.

The dude is still real talented at both running and catching the ball out fo the backfield. He is still the best back on a team that wants to commit to running the ball. He will still get some gimmicky plays that will result in fantasy points. Personally, I think week one presents huge opportunities every year when a player underperforms his draft position. This game just did not allow Ronnie to get into the flow. Every time Miami got something going, they turned it over. Ricky's TD is a concern, but it came late in the 4th quarter when the game was basically over at 19-0. He (Ricky) did look surprisingly good though. At 32, I still think he will be a backup who gets 7-10 touches per game, with Ronnie likely to see 18-25 in a more competitive game.

I also think Sparano will get the OL into gear, which will not only create running lanes, but will keep the games closer and keep Ronnie in the flow.

He is their most talented player, and this is a competant coaching staff. They have to get him the ball. I think he is a solid buy low right now.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Wild Pat and the Wildcat is laughable. The Dolphins have a 75% chance of starting 0-4 this season. Pennington does not instill fear in opposing D's. My prediction for Pennington and Dolphin fans is pain. Henne needs to be and will be the starting QB by week 5.

The problem with Pennington and the running game is at least 9 guys are close to the scrimmage every down with no fear of Pennington going over the top. I agree there is a good chance Pennington gets pulled, but the real question is whether Henne is any good. People are always fooled by Pennington because his completion % is so high. the issue is that he completes 5 yard passes short of the 1st down at an incredibly high and frustrating amount of time.He makes it easier on the defense. he is a very accurate passer in the short range, but outside of that he limits the offense. Unless you are studly everywhere else on your team, it is hard to win a Championship with him at the helm.

 

[Banger]

Wild Pat and the Wildcat is laughable. The Dolphins have a 75% chance of starting 0-4 this season. Pennington does not instill fear in opposing D's. My prediction for Pennington and Dolphin fans is pain. Henne needs to be and will be the starting QB by week 5.

The problem with Pennington and the running game is at least 9 guys are close to the scrimmage every down with no fear of Pennington going over the top. I agree there is a good chance Pennington gets pulled, but the real question is whether Henne is any good. People are always fooled by Pennington because his completion % is so high. the issue is that he completes 5 yard passes short of the 1st down at an incredibly high and frustrating amount of time.He makes it easier on the defense. he is a very accurate passer in the short range, but outside of that he limits the offense. Unless you are studly everywhere else on your team, it is hard to win a Championship with him at the helm.

ya, he really needs a great run game or great defense and they have neither. Last year was a nice story but I think this year is going to be a very different year for them.

 

[two_dollars]

I just wanted to throw out some Week 1 (over)Reactions and see what the other Sharks agree or disagree with. As always, I'm most interested in dissenting opinions.

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Steelers vs. Titans

The Steelers o-line, FWP, and Mendenhall are very much below average. Only play FWP at home and only against excellent defensive matchups.
Because of this, Big Ben could throw for the most yards in his career this year... shouldn't be that hard as his previous best is only 3500. Granted 70 or so of his 363 yards came in overtime, but I'd say he has an outside shot of averaging 250 yards per game and joining the 4,000 club this year.
Santonio Holmes is the real deal. After owning him last year, I avoided him this year and thought he would be overvalued because of the Superbowl. It looks like he really has turned the corner. He could have 1300+ yards this year... only needs to average 78 yards per game for the rest of the way.
Hines Ward is still dependable.
The Titans o-line is still dominant, but I was disappointed in the of way the Titans offense utilized Chris Johnson, but hopefully this will change against lesser defenses. Lendale looked better at the lighter weight.
Kerry Collins has enough weapons at WR and TE to keep the defense honest. Gage may be worth a start at WR3 in PPR leagues. If Scaife misses much time, rookie Jared Cook has a nice opportunity.Dolphins vs. Falcons

Really disappointed that in-his-prime, 2-years-removed-from-ACL-surgery Ronnie Brown didn't look any better than 32 year old Ricky Williams. I bought into the Ronnie hype and I'd still like to see him have a breakout year, but he's probably only worth a start at home. 17 combined carries just isn't that much to go around.
Bess is probably a low-end WR3 in PPR, and other than that, all other Dolphin WRs and TEs are too inconsistent, including Ted Ginn.
Matt Ryan is still a low-end QB1.
Turner is always going to have games like this. Anyone happy with 6.5 points from their first round pick? If you own him, there's nothing you can do about it. The Falcons were leading by 10, then 16, then 19 points at home for all but 3 minutes, and he still didn't get it done. One of the more inconsistent RBs because he doesn't catch any passes to supplement his stats when he doesn't score a TD. Norwood scored more points in PPR (10).
Tony Gonzalez is still a top 3 TE.
Gonzalez will be detrimental to Roddy White's numbers for the season.Broncos vs. Bengals

The Bengals o-line is going to limit the entire offense. Only 7 points, AT HOME, against one of the weakest defenses in the NFL. They may gel in the second half of the season once Andre Smith gets going, and could be decent buy low candidates next week.
OchoCinco will be better than last year.... 80/1200/6.
Caldwell kills the value of both Coles and Henry. Maybe he's worth an emergency WR3 in PPR?
Benson will remain the starter unless he gets injured.
Until further notice, I wouldn't be happy to start any Bronco at any position. Maybe the Bengals defense is better than average, but everything is spread too thin for ANYONE to have much value... Royal, Marshall, and Moreno included.Vikings vs. Browns

Adrian Peterson will be the player to lead many fantasy teams to the championship, ala Priest Holmes, Sean Alexander, LT, Brady and Moss in years past. This is the year he goes for 1800+ and 20+ TDs.... only needs to average 108 rushing yards and 1.1 TDs the next 15 games to do it... and he certainly has the talent.
A nice start for Percy Harvin, and I expect his touches to up as the season continues. 2 carries, 11 yards each; 4 targets, 3 receptions, 36 yards, 1 TD. Too talented for Chester Taylor (7 carries, 17 yards 2.4ypc). These stats could double - 4 carries, 30-40 yards, 8 targets, 6 receptions, 65 yards - looks possible.
Which of these is not like the other: AP - 7.2 ypc, Harvin 11.0 ypc, Taylor 2.4 ypc. Against the Browns, Chester?!
Favre is just good enough in real life, but nothing you want in fantasy.
Braylon Edwards will be better than last year, but not by very much. Still too risky for WR3 until he shows me something.
Avoid all other Browns like the swine flu.Jaguars vs. Colts

Reggie Wayne is still a stud, last year was an anomaly, this year he returns to 90/1500/10. Top 5 WR and this could be a career year for him.
Peyton Manning is the same-old, same-old.
Addai looked good... Brown may spell him enough to keep him more healthy than he has been. If Brown takes over, it might not be until later in the season than previously anticipated.

Right now I'd take the OVER for MJD and 300 carries, and the OVER 50 receptions.... IF he stays healthy. 21 rushes for him and only 1 other RB had a rush.... also had more targets (8) than any other WR or TE (Holt = 5, Lewis = 6).
Avoid all other Jaguars until we see them play at home, including Garrard and Holt.**********

Lions vs. Saints

I know, it's just the Lions... but Brees has a chance at 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs. At home or in another dome, it looks like his floor is 250 and 2 TDs.
When they're at home or in another dome, you might want to start any Saint WR including Henderson and Meachem. Let's see if Brees cools down a bit...
Reggie Bush is still a must-start in PPR leagues
This game plus the pre-season makes me think Shockey is a top 5 TE.
Colston will be inconsistent; could have games like this 3/30/TD or the 7/140/TD his owners hope for.
For Calvin Johnson, it looks like he can only go up. 3/90 in Stafford first game isn't a bad start.
Kevin Smith could be a top 10 RB in PPR because there's just nothing else.Cowboys vs. Bucs

I was really down on Romo and Roy Williams. There were several fluky connections with Williams, Crayton, and Austin, but I had the Cowboys aerial game pegged as very pedestrian. It won't stay like this, but maybe they are still a legit offense.
I going to blame Switz for this, but I bit on the Felix Jones hype. He's gotta get better than this, but I was surprised he didn't even get a target while TChoice had two and two receptions. Felix is a good buy low candidate (I hope).
Honestly, I could not be more surprised with Cadillac. I avoided all Bucs RBs, and now it looks like both Caddie and Ward are Flex or RB2 worthy.
Michael Clayton will have to do this for much longer to change my mind. or maybe it was just Gruden that kept him down all those years?Eagles vs. Panthers

I was surprised that JStewart was fully healthy, for a few weeks I had been thinking that Williams was a lock for a repeat monster season because Stewart had an acute achilles problem.
If the Panthers can show anything respectable in the next week or two, I'll be looking to trade Williams and Steve Smith. This will not be a happy year for them.
Tough to get a read on the Eagles in this game because it was just too easy. But Celek showed why he was such a great sleeper.
DeSean Jackson could be a good buy-low candidate.
More to come later....

Just make sure you preface every RB getting a lot of touches with the "IF they stay healthy" comment. Like, AP will have a good year IF he stays healthy. There is no reason to think either is more likely to be hurt than the other.

 

[Black]

Good thoughts, but seriously on Holmes? After one game you're convinced he's the real deal? He may be, but I think it's too early to tell.

No, after about 4 games he's convinced. People saying last year's playoff run was a fluke are now having to question whether it was or it wasn't...and the Titans aren't exactly pushovers even with the loss of Haynesworth.By the time Holmes proves it to the non-believers, they won't have any chance of getting him without paying the inflated price to land him.

No, he isn't going to go for 9/130/1 every week. But the trend isn't one game, it's multiple games...and he's picking up where he left off.

I appreciate the OP, if at least to pull some interesting facts and stats together. It was a bizarre opening week. I am out of the country, so only got to see one game this weekend (brutal).I did see PIT/TEN, and Santonio looks like he was handed the torch...esp after that late Ward fumble. I also avoided the Superbowl pumped value of Santonio, but think he's probably a legit no. 1 WR.

Can anyone tell me what the heck happened to ARI (Hightower 12 catches?? I started him on a PThomas/Lynch team out of desperation in a PPR league .

What happened to HOU??