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What If?!? Monday Mock Draft - 2/8/2010 (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Cecil Lammey
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Nice work Cecil. Just starting to read draft stuff so I can only pass along chatter amongst the locals out here.
Dwyer would certainly be intriguing if he fell to 28. Cody will also be tempting.
Crazy rumor floating out there - Chargers send Cromartie to Dallas for Tashard Choice.
Dwyer would certainly be intriguing if he fell to 28. Cody will also be tempting.
Crazy rumor floating out there - Chargers send Cromartie to Dallas for Tashard Choice.
encaitar
Footballguy
I don't see Derrick Morgan falling past the top 20, but that's an interesting pick for the Vikings. Cecil, what would the Vikings do with Morgan? Edwards and Allen seem to have their starting positions locked up and Robison is a decent backup. It would be a bit of a logjam at a position of strength wouldn't it?
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I hope SD doesn't view RB such a desperate situation they are willing to draft one in the 1st.... let alone trade away a starting CB for a 3rd string RB. In todays pass happy NFL I think CB>>>>>>RB. That trade would make no sense for SD imo.
Gatorman
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miami taking an edge rusher / tweener when they could get the LB help they need? DO not think so. If one of the big DL nose tackles fall to him them I can see that lineman being picked. The dolphins want to get cameron wake involved more and while they could use more sacks if they lose porter and taylor (I think taylor resigns with porter being released), they have need at interior D line and LB that can run the field and cover before they get to edge rusher...
Miami's needs for the draft: Interior D line. To solve the G position, LB, and a safety (in no particular order). WR needs to be handled in FA or by one of the WRs avaiable for trade.
Miami's needs for the draft: Interior D line. To solve the G position, LB, and a safety (in no particular order). WR needs to be handled in FA or by one of the WRs avaiable for trade.
FUBAR
Footballguy
agreed, Cromartie is worth a lot more than Choice. I don't like the Spiller/Sproles combo, SD needs a power back. IMO they'd be better of grabbing Gerhart, Matthews, Dixon or even Hardesty later.Love the McClain to Tennessee pick! Although I'd prefer seeing him play MLB, I'm not sure Tulloch could move outside.Even more so, Suh to Detroit
Dez to Seattle seems a popular choice so it won't happen. St. Louis would be making a 49ers type mistake reaching for a QB who they hope could be a franchise type. As a Titans fan I hope Jacksonville takes Tebow, as a football fan I hope he slides to the 3rd where he belongs.
Reaper
Footballguy
I'm always a fan of OL depth.... We'll have to see what the Jets think of the CB's at this point in the draft.
The Jets are BRUTALLY low on oline depth. One injury and the wheels could come flying off. An OT pick like Williams would be just fine with me, though yeah I want to see what they think of the Cbs as the process goes on.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
How would Sproles be a "change of pace" from Spiller? He'd be a "keep the pace" back if that was to happen.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Good god, make this happen.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
No. You had better recheck your secret sources because the Jags are not taking Tebow at 10/11. The team had 14 sacks last season, have a virtual void at safety, need another LB, and there are issues with the interior OL. Even if you ignore need the Jags aren't going to spend a pick that early on a guy that will likely be around much later. If you project a trade down or two I might buy it, but the Jags are already down a 2nd round pick from the Derek Cox trade last year and I seriously doubt they are going to use their one pick in the first two rounds on a guy that is likely a multi-year project at best. Far too much is being made of the possible impact of drafting Tebow on ticket/jersey sales. Winning games with an exciting young team is the solution, not drafting a hometown hero just to appease a bunch of Gator fans, most of whom likely won't come to the games anyways. I'm no Garrard fan, but QB is far from the biggest need and even if it were, Tebow is far from the best solution.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The Eagles have way too many other more important holes to fill than to take a RB compliment to McCoy when they don't even run the ball that much anyway. I think if McLain slips as far as you have him falling, the Eagles may trade up to get him.
BlackMagic10
Footballguy
So who is actually the best DE in this draft? Is Dunlap just the most athletic and fastest because I see him going to the Raiders in a lot of mocks.
All of Oakland LBs are FA's so I could see them addressing that position (McClain would be nice), but 8th overall might be a bit too high.
All of Oakland LBs are FA's so I could see them addressing that position (McClain would be nice), but 8th overall might be a bit too high.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Still amazes me when people here are so concerned with team needs in the 1st round.
Far more often than not, teams draft talent, plain and simple. Unless the talent matches the need, most NFL teams will not select a LB because their need is at LB if he's not worth the spot he's being drafted.
Far more often than not, teams draft talent, plain and simple. Unless the talent matches the need, most NFL teams will not select a LB because their need is at LB if he's not worth the spot he's being drafted.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Ahh...love me some mocks.
You wouldn't hear me say a single discouraging word if the Steelers go OL....though I'm more ambivalent on the big Samoan than a lot of folks. McClain would be tempting if he fell another spot. Haden would make some sense there too, but the Steelers need to aggressively attack BOTH lines in this draft. They should have been doing it the past couple. They almost don't have a choice now.
(BTW, you've got Bulaga's college wrong, brother.)
You wouldn't hear me say a single discouraging word if the Steelers go OL....though I'm more ambivalent on the big Samoan than a lot of folks. McClain would be tempting if he fell another spot. Haden would make some sense there too, but the Steelers need to aggressively attack BOTH lines in this draft. They should have been doing it the past couple. They almost don't have a choice now.
(BTW, you've got Bulaga's college wrong, brother.)
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Teams draft for need all the time. I know the Eagles do it.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
True, Atlanta or Houston would take him over Robinson or Franks. He will not be left out next Monday!hacman said:No Joe Haden... That's an impossibility, Senor Lammey.
Reaper
Footballguy
I do think that people here though realize that and have a disclaimer of "All things being equal".. The Jets for example will get the CB if they have a WR and a CB rated closely.....The Jets for years have stated that they set their roster with FA pickups / trades to the best they can to try to set themselves up to draft at BAP... BUT, Part of setting up the team Pre-Draft also takes into account Talent Available in the draft - For instance when the Jets let Kevin Mawae go, I think they were Fully Locked into Mangold as his replacement.... Looking at that draft, it was 100% reasonable to say the Jets had NEED dialed in.... They probably had a backup plan but, anyone doing a mock confidently penciled in Mangold and the Jets even alluded to it predraft as if they had something up their sleeve.For an exercise at this point of the year it's fun and constructive to see where Team Needs do line up with the Talent in the draft and at least use that as a reference point.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Interesting....My "What If?!?" Mocks are kind of an alternate reality draft, where I look at scenarios and the ripple effects. I will include trades up/down in future "What If?!?" mocks.Cody is definitely a player I think the Chargers could take near the end of the first.tommyGunZ said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
That is a long way for Morgan to fall, and he'll likely get selected before then, but this scenario I was looking at a "Tackle Heavy" draft.The Vikes could draft their strength, and Morgan could learn behind two of the best. Plus according to my team needs list (talked to beat writers on the All Star trip) Ray Edwards is a UFA this year.encaitar said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I went back and forth with the Dolphins pick in this first "What if?!?" The one I do next Monday will likely have the other guy I wanted to plug in at that spot!Gatorman said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I don't know if McClain would fall that far, but he sure seems like a perfect fit for the Titans. Thanks for checking out the mock!FUBAR said:agreed, Cromartie is worth a lot more than Choice. I don't like the Spiller/Sproles combo, SD needs a power back. IMO they'd be better of grabbing Gerhart, Matthews, Dixon or even Hardesty later.Love the McClain to Tennessee pick! Although I'd prefer seeing him play MLB, I'm not sure Tulloch could move outside.Even more so, Suh to DetroitBoltBacker said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Tebow is getting the biggest reaction from this mock, both on email, twitter, and here.I have heard that the Jags top man (in the scouting department) has given Tebow a 4th round grade - but I have also heard that the owner is absolutely in love with him and would pull the trigger at that spot.RockHard said:
If Jacksonville thinks Tebow won't be there in the 2nd -- which he may not because he progressively got better during the week down in Mobile, and I know he generated a lot of positive buzz from that, the word in Mobile was "look how much he improved in only 3 days" -- they could take him in the first.
Again, not likely but possible.
I was in Mobile (again) on the sidelines at the Senior Bowl and saw Tebow progress as the week went on. I still don't believe he'll be anything more than a gadget quarterback, but the team that would benefit the most from adding Tebow is Jacksonville.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Mays got their attention in Mobile....not during the interview process though - ugh! Guy was the worst interview EVAH! I know a major outlet (one of the big boys) that he flat turned down for an interview.Maybe he was different when talking to scouts...NoFBinLA said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Haden should have been in easily.Pierre-Paul I considered near the end of the first...I have a feeling he'll be in next Monday's "What If?!?" with a very special team!!tonka said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I think the Chargers could go with a bigger back, but with Dwyer already off the board I'm not sure they'd take a Dixon or Gerhart (both are currently considered 2nd round picks). Let's say this...Sproles would continue to be the back they went to when the main man needs a breather!Dr. Octopus said:
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Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Idiot Boxer said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
see above post about Tebow. you and I think a lot alike about Tebow's prospects, but I'm looking at scenarios here, and who they COULD possibly take. Not likely, but possible the Jags grab Tebow in the first.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I hear ya, thanks for checking out the mock!As the draft approaches I do one of these "what if?!?" mocks every Monday. I'll be sure to have some trade scenarios in future mocks.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I also think Brandon Graham is pretty close to a 1st round lock at this point too.tonka said:
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
predicting what Al Davis will do makes my head hurt! However, I know he loves athletic freaks, and I think a guy like Dunlap (or Griffen) will tear it up during the Underwear Olympics aka the Scouting Combine.
A team will go with a player who is BPA but not just out of hand. If talent and need line up - as happens in several spots here in Cec's mock - then thy'll take the BPA and it happens to fit a need. As you move back from the first pick (where there are usually far more needs to fill and it's easier to fill both a need and pull a BPA) there are less holes and less top players to fill a hole - so you get more players who are picked b/c they are the best available regardless of spot.Needs factors in - always, in my opinion - but it's not the end all be all anymore than pure talent is. It's a portion of the process to deciding who you take, not the whole thing.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Graham was one of my favorite players to watch at the Senior Bowl! I believe he'll sneak into the first, and he'll definitely sneak into one (or more) of my Monday "what if?!?" mock drafts!
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Thanks my man! haden would most definitely be a consideration if he was there! (fixed the typo on Bulaga too!)
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
With so many 3/4 OLB/DE conversions now I think Griffen will get a shot. If a team like Denver thinks Robert Ayers can be a OLB, then I think the more athletic Griffen will get a look there too.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Of course teams want to draft the best player, but need obviously plays a key role. Just for example, which of last years top 10 picks were not "need" positions for the team that drafted the player? People are concerned with needs in the 1st round because that's how they see most teams drafting.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
As a Packer fan I'd hate to see them pass on a potential difference maker like CJ Spiller just to fill a need at OT in the 1st round.
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Maybe that's because if you're in the top 10 of the draft, you have a ton of needs.
Who are these experts that you speak of?
