What is an MVP to you? (1 Viewer)

[Gally]

I am going to put up stats of some players. I am not going to say anything else and look for some opinions on who deserves MVP.

League Stats:

Player A:

• Pitching: None
• Hitting: 18-46 (.391), 21R, 5RBI, 1 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 11BB, 3 K, 6 SB, .541/.586/1.128
• Defense: Catcher (don't have CS percentage but it was solid - Good defensively)

Player B:

• Pitching: 0-2, 1 Sv, 1 Blown Save, 3.23 ERA (8.2 IP/ 4ER), 8H, 3BB, 5 K
• Hitting: 23-49 (.469), 6R, 19RBI, 4 2B, 1 3B, 0 HR, 6 BB, 11 K, 1 SB, .527/.591/1.119
• Defense: .861 Fielding Percentage (5 errors on 36 chances)

Player C:

• Pitching: 6-0, 1.05 ERA (46.2 IP/ 7 ER), 33H, 7 BB, 54K, 5 CG, 1 Shut Out
• Hitting: 14-48 (.292), 9 R, 12 RBI, 2 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 7 BB, 3 K, 1 SB, .375/.395/.771
• Defense: .961 Fielding Percentage (2 errors on 51 chances)

What is your vote for League MVP (Rank 1st, 2nd, 3rd)?


Season Long Stats:

Player A:

• Pitching: 1-0, 5 IP, 0 ER, 1 H, 2 BB, 12K
• Hitting: 37-90 (.411), 35 R, 11 RBI, 6 2B, 2 3B, 3 HR, 18 BB, 7 K, 13 SB, .539/.622/1.161
• Defense: Catcher (don't have CS percentage but it was solid - Good defensively)

Player B:

• Pitching: 2-3, 1 Sv, 1 Blown Save, 2.66 ERA (23.2 IP/ 9ER), 16H, 9 BB, 27 K, 1 CG, 1 Shut Out
• Hitting: 36-89 (.404), 11 R, 30 RBI, 8 2B, 1 3B, 0 HR, 13 BB, 24 K, 3 SB, .485/.516/1.002
• Defense: .862 Fielding Percentage (8 errors on 58 chances)

Player C:

• Pitching: 10-0, 0.71 ERA (78.2 IP/ 8 ER), 44 H, 10 BB, 99 K, 9 CG, 4 Shut Out, 1 No Hitter
• Hitting: 30-88 (.341), 20 R, 20 RBI, 8 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 12 BB, 4 K, 7 SB, .438/.465/.904
• Defense: .947 Fielding Percentage (4 errors on 76 chances)

Who is your vote for area MVP (Rank 1st, 2nd, 3rd)?

NOTE: This is high school level

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

C, A, B for both

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Did I win, Gally?

 

[Spartans Rule]

I think it’s a close call between A and C.

Leaning C, but there’s some statistical oddities with A that make me wonder about his team context. (Only 11 RBI with those hitting numbers? 12K in 5 IP and that’s all he got to pitch?)

 

[Gally]

Leaning C, but there’s some statistical oddities with A that make me wonder about his team context. (Only 11 RBI with those hitting numbers? 12K in 5 IP and that’s all he got to pitch?)

He was the lead off batter and the back end of the lineup wasn't very good. Not a lot of RBI opportunities. As for pitching, he pitched against the weakest team they faced all year in a non league game early when they had a bunch of games that week. He is an ok pitcher but the 12 K's was a function of the team he pitched against in his one start for the year.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Leaning C, but there’s some statistical oddities with A that make me wonder about his team context. (Only 11 RBI with those hitting numbers? 12K in 5 IP and that’s all he got to pitch?)

He was the lead off batter and the back end of the lineup wasn't very good. Not a lot of RBI opportunities. As for pitching, he pitched against the weakest team they faced all year in a non league game early when they had a bunch of games that week. He is an ok pitcher but the 12 K's was a function of the team he pitched against in his one start for the year.

I'll go C, A, B then for sure.

 

[Gally]

Did I win, Gally?

Still looking for more votes but you are at least in the running

 

[PIK95]

I know it when I see it, and it's not always the guy with the best stats.

 

[MrJimiT]

C, A, then B ---> by virtue of the dominating pitching stats. Over the season stats, C's batting analytics aren't that much below A.

 

[Gally]

I know it when I see it, and it's not always the guy with the best stats.

Totally agree. Other things can bump a guy up or down for sure

 

[Gally]

As an update.........Player B got both awards. I was flabbergasted. He had a good offensive season but pitching and defense weren't great and cost some games.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

from stats like this I'm guessing they play high school ball and the teammates voted which skews any and all stats.

 

[Gally]

from stats like this I'm guessing they play high school ball and the teammates voted which skews any and all stats.

It is high school but not teammates that voted. The League MVP was voted on by coaches from the league and the Area was voted on by I have no idea who. My guess is the Area just used the league MVP of the best league without taking into consideration that league play was only part of the equation.

In the end I think the league MVP was heavily weighted to hitting and then only really average and RBI's. Player B had a great league season offensively. I just didn't think it was that much better than the other two players to warrant getting the MVP especially when considering his poor pitching that cost them the only two games that team lost. One of which was a title clinching game where he blew the save in the last inning giving up a 1 run lead. The team ended up clinching two games later but at the time it was pretty significant of a loss.

I was just interested in some unbiased opinions to see if I was way off base in my evaluations and it seems like everyone here agreed with me that Player B was really the third option out of these three guys. To me if you took Player C off this team they don't win league and likely are close to a .500 team. You take player B away and there likely isn't much difference in wins/losses. Take Player A away and you likely still are battling for a league title but you may or may not get there. It would be more of a coin flip.

Full disclosure (as I am sure some of you may or may not know already) my kid was Player C. I believe I was looking at things as unbiased as I could and really didn't think Player B deserved the accolades. He had a great year for sure. Better than anybody expected based on his previous seasons. Definitely a 1st Team All league performance. I just didn't think he was the MVP. But I didn't know if I was just too close and biased in my thinking.

Thanks for the replies. It's always interesting to see what people thinks makes up an MVP.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

from stats like this I'm guessing they play high school ball and the teammates voted which skews any and all stats.

It is high school but not teammates that voted. The League MVP was voted on by coaches from the league and the Area was voted on by I have no idea who. My guess is the Area just used the league MVP of the best league without taking into consideration that league play was only part of the equation.

In the end I think the league MVP was heavily weighted to hitting and then only really average and RBI's. Player B had a great league season offensively. I just didn't think it was that much better than the other two players to warrant getting the MVP especially when considering his poor pitching that cost them the only two games that team lost. One of which was a title clinching game where he blew the save in the last inning giving up a 1 run lead. The team ended up clinching two games later but at the time it was pretty significant of a loss.

I was just interested in some unbiased opinions to see if I was way off base in my evaluations and it seems like everyone here agreed with me that Player B was really the third option out of these three guys. To me if you took Player C off this team they don't win league and likely are close to a .500 team. You take player B away and there likely isn't much difference in wins/losses. Take Player A away and you likely still are battling for a league title but you may or may not get there. It would be more of a coin flip.

Full disclosure (as I am sure some of you may or may not know already) my kid was Player C. I believe I was looking at things as unbiased as I could and really didn't think Player B deserved the accolades. He had a great year for sure. Better than anybody expected based on his previous seasons. Definitely a 1st Team All league performance. I just didn't think he was the MVP. But I didn't know if I was just too close and biased in my thinking.

Thanks for the replies. It's always interesting to see what people thinks makes up an MVP.

I misread a bit of the first post and was assuming players on the same team with stats based on league play and then including playoffs. High school league mvp's are almost purely political unless someone a gatorade player of the year.

 

[travisjimmy]

Based on the league and season-long stats provided, here is my ranking for the MVP candidates:

League MVP:

1. Player C
   • Pitching: 6-0 with a 1.05 ERA, 54 K in 46.2 IP, 5 CG, 1 Shutout
   • Hitting: Solid at .292 with 12 RBI
   • Defense: Strong with a .961 fielding percentage
   • Reason: Dominant pitcher with an undefeated record and excellent ERA, complemented by decent hitting stats and good fielding.
2. Player A
   • Hitting: .391 average with 21 runs and 11 BB
   • Defense: Catcher with solid defensive skills
   • Reason: Excellent batting average, high OBP, and good defensive contribution as a catcher.
3. Player B
   • Hitting: .469 average with 19 RBI
   • Pitching: Decent with a 3.23 ERA and 1 save
   • Defense: .861 fielding percentage with several errors
   • Reason: Outstanding hitter with high batting average and RBIs but weaker defensive stats and less impactful pitching.

Season MVP:

1. Player C
   • Pitching: 10-0 with a 0.71 ERA, 99 K in 78.2 IP, 9 CG, 4 Shutouts, 1 No-Hitter
   • Hitting: .341 average with 20 RBI
   • Defense: .947 fielding percentage
   • Reason: Exceptional pitching stats with an undefeated record, a no-hitter, and solid contributions at the plate and in the field.
2. Player A
   • Hitting: .411 average with 35 runs and 13 SB
   • Pitching: Impressive in limited innings (1-0, 12 K in 5 IP)
   • Defense: Strong defensive catcher
   • Reason: High batting average, OBP, and speed on bases, combined with good defensive skills and solid pitching in a small sample.
3. Player B
   • Hitting: .404 average with 30 RBI
   • Pitching: Decent with a 2.66 ERA, 1 save, and a shutout
   • Defense: .862 fielding percentage with multiple errors
   • Reason: Strong hitter with significant RBIs, but defensive errors and less dominant pitching stats place him third.

Overall, Player C's standout pitching performances make him the top MVP candidate in both league and season-long evaluations.