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What is up with Roy Willams? (1 Viewer)

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it seems that every time roy williams tackles a guy, its with the horse collar or with unecessary roughness....TO, he did it to TIki barber this season, and now Rod Smith in the PRO BOWL (where no one really tries)

the horse collar has even been nicked named the roy williams tackle...this is ridiculous and he has to start tackling like everyone else

 
Grabbing at guys from behind as they run past you is an occupational hazard when you're a safety who can't cover.

Like Roy Williams.

 
And getting blasted when you try and catch a ball across the middle is also a hazard of a safety like RW. I won't argue that he sucks really bad in coverage though....

Williams was going for the receiver, he wasn't watching the ball, I am sure he thought Smith caught the ball.

That is why he is in the Pro Bowl. People want to see him knock the crap out of people. Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.

 
And getting blasted when you try and catch a ball across the middle is also a hazard of a safety like RW. I won't argue that he sucks really bad in coverage though....

Williams was going for the receiver, he wasn't watching the ball, I am sure he thought Smith caught the ball.

That is why he is in the Pro Bowl. People want to see him knock the crap out of people. Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
:goodposting: R. Lott put guys out damn near on a weekly basis often leading with his helmet and no one was crying then, we've come too sensitive now a days. As a WR, you know there's a possibility that you'll knocked on your ### when going for a ball. If you don't like it change your position.

 
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it seems that every time roy williams tackles a guy, its with the horse collar or with unecessary roughness....TO, he did it to TIki barber this season, and now Rod Smith in the PRO BOWL (where no one really tries)

the horse collar has even been nicked named the roy williams tackle...this is ridiculous and he has to start tackling like everyone else
I've counted at least 7 times Williams did this in just the games I saw. Keep in mind, I only watched Dallas about 5 times this year.It's amazing how often he gets away with it considering he's the reason we even have this rule in the NFL.

 
I remember seeing the horse collar tackle all year, but not once seeing it called. Wonder why they put the rule in at all. Did anyone ever see it called?

 
I remember seeing the horse collar tackle all year, but not once seeing it called. Wonder why they put the rule in at all. Did anyone ever see it called?
I've seen it called. I think the rule is really specific as to where you grab the offensive player, so it is tough to call.For the record, I think it is a dumb rule.

 
I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs.

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK. But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.

 
I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs. 

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK.  But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.
I think it is more about grabbing the INSIDE of the offensive player's shoulder pads that makes it a "horse collar." Grabbing jersey is still allowed . . . tough to call though I think. Let them play.
 
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I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs. 

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK.  But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.
I think it is more about grabbing the INSIDE of the offensive player's shoulder pads that makes it a "horse collar." Grabbing jersey is still allowed . . . tough to call though I think. Let them play.
The guy you quoted is correct in interpreting the rule. It has to do with the way the guy is pulled down more than anything. Anytime Roy Williams makes a tackle, everyone says its a horse collar now. Most people dont know what the hell they are talking about. The guy in this thread that said he saw it 7 times in that game is a clear example of that.
 
You know what if it continues like that they will play touch football in 10 years.

Football is a contact sport ( it s dangerous ) but you know what that's the game . Let them play

By trying to protect WR , QB and RB that much , they will make it a

touch footballl game .

If they cant play football then they should stay home.

Same as hockey now , it s use to be a tough game now it s a gay game . No one can be touched or it s a penalty , it s a real joke .

 
I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs. 

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK.  But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.
I think it is more about grabbing the INSIDE of the offensive player's shoulder pads that makes it a "horse collar." Grabbing jersey is still allowed . . . tough to call though I think. Let them play.
The guy you quoted is correct in interpreting the rule. It has to do with the way the guy is pulled down more than anything. Anytime Roy Williams makes a tackle, everyone says its a horse collar now. Most people dont know what the hell they are talking about. The guy in this thread that said he saw it 7 times in that game is a clear example of that.
Wikipedia
The "horse-collar tackle", in which a defender grabs inside the back or side of an opponent’s shoulder pads and pulls that player down, is prohibited. [6] Named the "Roy Williams Rule" after the Dallas Cowboys defensive back whose horse-collar tackle during the last season caused a serious and nearly season-ending injury to Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens.
 
I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs. 

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK.  But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.
I think it is more about grabbing the INSIDE of the offensive player's shoulder pads that makes it a "horse collar." Grabbing jersey is still allowed . . . tough to call though I think. Let them play.
The guy you quoted is correct in interpreting the rule. It has to do with the way the guy is pulled down more than anything. Anytime Roy Williams makes a tackle, everyone says its a horse collar now. Most people dont know what the hell they are talking about. The guy in this thread that said he saw it 7 times in that game is a clear example of that.
No, I know how the rule is written. Williams grabbed the neck part of the shoulder pads and jerked them back. The 'rolling on the legs' part has nothing to do with it although that's what often happens when making tackles like that. BTW, I never said I saw it 7 times in one game (see bolded sentence in the quote), I said I saw it 7 times over 5 games. Try quoting me correctly before smacking me.

 
I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs. 

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK.  But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.
I think it is more about grabbing the INSIDE of the offensive player's shoulder pads that makes it a "horse collar." Grabbing jersey is still allowed . . . tough to call though I think. Let them play.
The guy you quoted is correct in interpreting the rule. It has to do with the way the guy is pulled down more than anything. Anytime Roy Williams makes a tackle, everyone says its a horse collar now. Most people dont know what the hell they are talking about. The guy in this thread that said he saw it 7 times in that game is a clear example of that.
Wikipedia
The "horse-collar tackle", in which a defender grabs inside the back or side of an opponent’s shoulder pads and pulls that player down, is prohibited. [6] Named the "Roy Williams Rule" after the Dallas Cowboys defensive back whose horse-collar tackle during the last season caused a serious and nearly season-ending injury to Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens.
:goodposting: Beat me to it....

 
And getting blasted when you try and catch a ball across the middle is also a hazard of a safety like RW. I won't argue that he sucks really bad in coverage though....

Williams was going for the receiver, he wasn't watching the ball, I am sure he thought Smith caught the ball.

That is why he is in the Pro Bowl. People want to see him knock the crap out of people. Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
:goodposting: R. Lott put guys out damn near on a weekly basis often leading with his helmet and no one was crying then, we've come too sensitive now a days. As a WR, you know there's a possibility that you'll knocked on your ### when going for a ball. If you don't like it change your position.
If this was a regular season game I'd completely agree with you. However their is no need to try to lay someone out in an all star exhibition.
 
And getting blasted when you try and catch a ball across the middle is also a hazard of a safety like RW. I won't argue that he sucks really bad in coverage though....

Williams was going for the receiver, he wasn't watching the ball, I am sure he thought Smith caught the ball.

That is why he is in the Pro Bowl. People want to see him knock the crap out of people. Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
:goodposting: R. Lott put guys out damn near on a weekly basis often leading with his helmet and no one was crying then, we've come too sensitive now a days. As a WR, you know there's a possibility that you'll knocked on your ### when going for a ball. If you don't like it change your position.
If this was a regular season game I'd completely agree with you. However their is no need to try to lay someone out in an all star exhibition.
Sorry, that is why he is in the Pro Bowl. That is why people voted him in. Did you expect Chad Johnson to not run hard or not try and make good catches?Should Mathis have fair caught every kick?

Same thing.

 
If this was a regular season game I'd completely agree with you.  However their is no need to try to lay someone out in an all star exhibition.
I'd be surprised if Smith had any problem with someone playing 100% in the Pro Bowl.That said, the horse collar tackle is a terrible tackling technique (although any tackle is a good tackle) that does put the tackled player at increased risk than normal play. The shoulder pads are seated & strapped onto the upper torso in a way that the player can have their legs yanked out from under them when grabbed from behind, and then when the tackler's body is thrown across the legs the way Williams does it, the player being tackled is really at a complete disadvantage to protect themselves or get their legs in a position where they aren't in awkward positions when the tackler applies his body weight to them.That Williams tackles like this repeatedly would lend itself to it being a completely intentional act. That such a high proportion of injuries occur during the tackle being performed the way Williams does it lends itself to being extraordinarily dangerous. That makes me think it's a good rule. Learn how to tackle properly, Roy.* Edited to add that Smith didn't say one word about the play in his interview after the game with the Rocky Mountain News
 
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And getting blasted when you try and catch a ball across the middle is also a hazard of a safety like RW. I won't argue that he sucks really bad in coverage though....

Williams was going for the receiver, he wasn't watching the ball, I am sure he thought Smith caught the ball.

That is why he is in the Pro Bowl. People want to see him knock the crap out of people. Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
:goodposting: R. Lott put guys out damn near on a weekly basis often leading with his helmet and no one was crying then, we've come too sensitive now a days. As a WR, you know there's a possibility that you'll knocked on your ### when going for a ball. If you don't like it change your position.
If this was a regular season game I'd completely agree with you. However their is no need to try to lay someone out in an all star exhibition.
Sorry, that is why he is in the Pro Bowl. That is why people voted him in. Did you expect Chad Johnson to not run hard or not try and make good catches?Should Mathis have fair caught every kick?

Same thing.
Most players were just trying to get through the game uninjured. LT constantly ran out of bounds when he normally wouldn't. Torry Holt caught a pass down near the sideline and he and the DB (don't remember who he was) both kind of stood their for a second before not doing anything before he gave Holt a little nudge out of bounds. You're nuts if you think these guys were playing anything close to 100%.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with rolling up on the legs, it is more about grabbing the guy by the neck (or back of the shoulder pads as the grip is better) and then jumping into the air and pulling him down (by the nexk) with your body weight.

In the WWF the move is called a Bulldog

 
When you can't do anything else well besides hit players who arent looking at you, you DAMN well better make the hits memorable.

 
Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
He's seldom close enough to good receivers like Chad Johnson and Santana Moss to see if this hypothesis is really true.
 
When you can't do anything else well besides hit players who arent looking at you, you DAMN well better make the hits memorable.
Yes that is why he gets voted back to the pro bowl each year.....because the only thing he can do at the pro level is hit players who aren't looking at him. :lmao: (diesel - I am only disagreeing with you. You don't need to start a new thread telling everyone how mean I am to you)

 
When you can't do anything else well besides hit players who arent looking at you, you DAMN well better make the hits memorable.
Yes that is why he gets voted back to the pro bowl each year.....because the only thing he can do at the pro level is hit players who aren't looking at him. :lmao: (diesel - I am only disagreeing with you. You don't need to start a new thread telling everyone how mean I am to you)
Mean? :lmao: I was just a little fearful that I had a male stalker...maybe in your circles a dude paying that much attention to another dude is normal...?Roy is in the pro-bowl as a name, nothing more. Or maybe its how awesome he is in coverage? Nah, safties dont need to know how to cover. Just hit.

Im sure someone as unbiased as you can realize that.

 
Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
He's seldom close enough to good receivers like Chad Johnson and Santana Moss to see if this hypothesis is really true.
:lmao: SO SO true.
 
Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
He's seldom close enough to good receivers like Chad Johnson and Santana Moss to see if this hypothesis is really true.
:lmao: SO SO true.
Since when was Chad Johnson a loud mouth?!? I respect Chad Johnson more for what he does---talks a great game AND backs it up, all while never disrespecting anyone, to what Roy Williams does, cheap shots people while constantly getting burned in coverage.
 
Granted, I would much rather see him hit a loud mouth like Chad Johnson than a class act guy like Rod Smith....RW is just an equal opportunity guy, he hits everyone.
He's seldom close enough to good receivers like Chad Johnson and Santana Moss to see if this hypothesis is really true.
Now I know why you wouldn't trade for Randy Moss. You think Santana Moss is a good WR and you think Owens & S Smith aren't. ;)

 
diesel - If you had watched another Dallas game besides the Monday nighter against the Redskins then you might have some credibility here. As usual though, you don't.

But for now, keep telling yourself Roy makes it to the Pro Bowl because his name is Roy Williams. That makes a lot of sense. :)

(Again diesel I am just disagreeing with you. No need to start a "I'm Telling On Kurt" thread or to PM a mod crying about how mistreated you are.)

 
If this was a regular season game I'd completely agree with you.  However their is no need to try to lay someone out in an all star exhibition.
I'd be surprised if Smith had any problem with someone playing 100% in the Pro Bowl.* Edited to add that Smith didn't say one word about the play in his interview after the game with the Rocky Mountain News
i'm not sure if the poster made it clear, but roy didn't horsecollar him, just hit him in the back, and rod fell kind of awkward on his arms. at first he laid there and it look like he couldn't move his arm, so i thought it was dislocated, but maybe he just got a stinger??roy also blew up chris chambers. an bob sanders blew up santana moss, lynch i believe hit some guy pretty hard. guess it goes with SSs

 
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diesel - If you had watched another Dallas game besides the Monday nighter against the Redskins then you might have some credibility here. As usual though, you don't.

But for now, keep telling yourself Roy makes it to the Pro Bowl because his name is Roy Williams. That makes a lot of sense. :)

(Again diesel I am just disagreeing with you. No need to start a "I'm Telling On Kurt" thread or to PM a mod crying about how mistreated you are.)
Stay Classy as usual OUKURT. And youre right. I havent seen one Dallas game with Roy Williams in it. Yep. Not one.

Wow, I just remembered theres an ignore function on this board...see ya Kurt. Hope DJ Shockley will keep you warm at night.

 
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for all of yall that don't like Roy...

don't hate the player...hate the game.

I bet McNabb wishes all he did was cheap shot people.

 
for all of yall that don't like Roy...

don't hate the player...hate the game.

I bet McNabb wishes all he did was cheap shot people.
I could care less that he cheap shots people, many players do. Its not a reason to think he isnt a good player.He just doesnt seem to be able to do anything else.

Hes a horrible open field tackler, and we've all seen his coverage ability.

What bothers most educated football fans is that he has a reputation as a great player only due to the "big hits" he routinely makes that gets him on Sportscenter.

 
for all of yall that don't like Roy...

don't hate the player...hate the game.

I bet McNabb wishes all he did was cheap shot people.
I could care less that he cheap shots people, many players do. Its not a reason to think he isnt a good player.He just doesnt seem to be able to do anything else.

Hes a horrible open field tackler, and we've all seen his coverage ability.

What bothers most educated football fans is that he has a reputation as a great player only due to the "big hits" he routinely makes that gets him on Sportscenter.
I'm sorry. You must be smoking large quantities of crack. Please remove said crack pipe from your lips before posting please, thank you.Roy will smack the efhh out of anybody who gets near him. Roy Williams is a playmaker. Yes he is questionable in one -on - one coverage, but he is a tremendous open field tackler. At least 2 or 3 times a game he will make a great tackle on a ball carrier in the backfield or behind blockers. Not to mention at least once a game he will make a momentum altering play such as an interception or fumble recovery at a key time in the game.

 
for all of yall that don't like Roy...

don't hate the player...hate the game.

I bet McNabb wishes all he did was cheap shot people.
I could care less that he cheap shots people, many players do. Its not a reason to think he isnt a good player.He just doesnt seem to be able to do anything else.

Hes a horrible open field tackler, and we've all seen his coverage ability.

What bothers most educated football fans is that he has a reputation as a great player only due to the "big hits" he routinely makes that gets him on Sportscenter.
I'm sorry. You must be smoking large quantities of crack. Please remove said crack pipe from your lips before posting please, thank you.Roy will smack the efhh out of anybody who gets near him. Roy Williams is a playmaker. Yes he is questionable in one -on - one coverage, but he is a tremendous open field tackler. At least 2 or 3 times a game he will make a great tackle on a ball carrier in the backfield or behind blockers. Not to mention at least once a game he will make a momentum altering play such as an interception or fumble recovery at a key time in the game.
Let me clarify what I was saying, and lets see if you agree.Williams has no problems making plays in the situations you described. When the ball carrier cant see him coming, or doesnt have anywhere to go, Roy is your guy to make a tackle.

However, if a RB breaks through the line, and Roy breaks off his coverage to have to tackle the guy in a one-on-one situation in the secondary, you might as well give the Rb 6 points. He cannot make a tackle when the ball carrier sees him coming. He has TREMENDOUSLY poor instincts. I keep thinking back to watching him trying to tackle Chris Brown in the open field 2 years ago. Williams looked like a high schooler trying to even get a hand on Brown.

Do you agree?

And either way...thanks for starting off your post with some insults. Nothing is classier than that on an internet message board.

 
Prime - Don't even bother trying to argue anything with this guy. His elevator doesn't go all the way to the top. Clueless when it comes to understanding the game. He shoots himself in the foot by making comments like "Roy can only make tackles when the player is looking the other way" and "Roy is a bad open field tackler".

Diesel you don't have to tell us that you don't watch Dallas games. WE KNOW!

By the way I would quit bringing up the Shockley thing, diesel. I noted early on in the college season that Shockley should have a chance to make the trip to the Heisman ceremonies. He laughed at my comment.

Did you even bother to notice that he led Georgia to a win in the SEC Championship game over LSU and a spot in the Sugar Bowl? Yeah he was SO NOT WORTHY of consideration.

Oh..I would probably put me on ignore as well. All I do is OWN YOU, boy.

Kisses! :own3d:

 
I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs. 

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK.  But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.
I think it is more about grabbing the INSIDE of the offensive player's shoulder pads that makes it a "horse collar." Grabbing jersey is still allowed . . . tough to call though I think. Let them play.
The guy you quoted is correct in interpreting the rule. It has to do with the way the guy is pulled down more than anything. Anytime Roy Williams makes a tackle, everyone says its a horse collar now. Most people dont know what the hell they are talking about. The guy in this thread that said he saw it 7 times in that game is a clear example of that.
Wikipedia
The "horse-collar tackle", in which a defender grabs inside the back or side of an opponent’s shoulder pads and pulls that player down, is prohibited. [6] Named the "Roy Williams Rule" after the Dallas Cowboys defensive back whose horse-collar tackle during the last season caused a serious and nearly season-ending injury to Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens.
:goodposting: Beat me to it....
How is using Wikipedia as a source good posting? You know they don't care who makes the entries for them, right? You, me, your mom, anyone could have posted that. THe guys there are terrible fact checkers if they check them at all. Heck, people are having to sue them to get the lies off of the page b/c Wikipedia says they are "not responsible" for the content.
 
I've notice RW doing it a fair amount in the Cowboys games I've seen as well.

However, IRRC, how the NFL rules it to be a horsecollar tackle isn't only that the defender grabs the guy from behind, but pulls the receiver down towards him and rolls up on his legs. 

Basically, just bringing a guy down by grabbing the back of the neck of his jersey is OK.  But if you pull him back into you and roll onto his legs you should get a flag.
I think it is more about grabbing the INSIDE of the offensive player's shoulder pads that makes it a "horse collar." Grabbing jersey is still allowed . . . tough to call though I think. Let them play.
The guy you quoted is correct in interpreting the rule. It has to do with the way the guy is pulled down more than anything. Anytime Roy Williams makes a tackle, everyone says its a horse collar now. Most people dont know what the hell they are talking about. The guy in this thread that said he saw it 7 times in that game is a clear example of that.
Wikipedia
The "horse-collar tackle", in which a defender grabs inside the back or side of an opponent’s shoulder pads and pulls that player down, is prohibited. [6] Named the "Roy Williams Rule" after the Dallas Cowboys defensive back whose horse-collar tackle during the last season caused a serious and nearly season-ending injury to Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Terrell Owens.
:goodposting: Beat me to it....
How is using Wikipedia as a source good posting? You know they don't care who makes the entries for them, right? You, me, your mom, anyone could have posted that. THe guys there are terrible fact checkers if they check them at all. Heck, people are having to sue them to get the lies off of the page b/c Wikipedia says they are "not responsible" for the content.
:rolleyes: That's what the rule says (in a condensed form), who cares what source he used.

 
Not to mention at least once a game he will make a momentum altering play such as an interception or fumble recovery at a key time in the game.
He made 2 momentum-altering plays in the first game against the Redskins this year, both resulting in Redskin TD's. ;)
 

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