What kind of a world do we live in where Djax and Moss (1 Viewer)

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

 

[-OZ-]

DJax is a surprise to me.

Moss was traded for reasons other than the value of the pick.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Djax's salary, injury risks also came along with it.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

As an Oakland fan I'm glad he's gone. Especially after hearing we were able to get the Pats to trade a 4th rounder our way instead of the 6th rd pick they originally wanted to give.

 

[Da Guru]

I was shocked the Lions got a number 4 for Williams.

Watching him the last 2 years this guy can`t play in the NFL. When I went to a game late last year I only watched Williams when he was in the game. BMW can`t get open.

Maybe a change will help, but I would not count on it.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Salary expectations play a huge role. DJax wasn't happy making $4m per year. Obviously he wants a new contract. Moss has other baggage to face up to.

 

[fatness]

Watching him the last 2 years this guy can`t play in the NFL.

I've never heard anyone say he can play in the league. But I keep hearing lots of people saying he could play and just needs to take things more seriously, or needs the right coach, or needs to be in better shape, or needs a chance on another team. I don't get it. As far as I'm concerned he can't play until he shows he does, which he hasn't done so far.

 

[massraider]

I just wanted to say that Hipple, Long, Ware & Peete is my favorite username here on FBG.

 

[Keith Lewis]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Djax's salary, injury risks also came along with it.

From the trade article: Jackson is due to make $3.25 million in base salary this season. He said the trade included no major changes to his contract.Jackson passed a physical in Santa Clara and visited with 49ers coach Mike Nolan on Saturday, and the Seahawks agreed to the trade Sunday morning.Here is the real issue:Jackson's tenure in Seattle included three 1,000-yard seasons and 47 touchdowns, but also several skirmishes with team brass about his contract, which runs through 2009. Jackson felt he had a handshake deal with former team president Bob Whitsitt to improve his contract -- but when Whitsitt was fired and Ruskell was hired in early 2005, no changes were made.Honestly, can you blame him for not being happy with that type of organization.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Djax's salary, injury risks also came along with it.

From the trade article: Jackson is due to make $3.25 million in base salary this season. He said the trade included no major changes to his contract.Jackson passed a physical in Santa Clara and visited with 49ers coach Mike Nolan on Saturday, and the Seahawks agreed to the trade Sunday morning.Here is the real issue:Jackson's tenure in Seattle included three 1,000-yard seasons and 47 touchdowns, but also several skirmishes with team brass about his contract, which runs through 2009. Jackson felt he had a handshake deal with former team president Bob Whitsitt to improve his contract -- but when Whitsitt was fired and Ruskell was hired in early 2005, no changes were made.Honestly, can you blame him for not being happy with that type of organization.

-Jackson has not shown up to off-season workouts in the past 3 years.-Jackson has been causing problems and complaining about his current contract and it the relations weren't improving -Jackson's contract is up in a couple years and will want huge money, and would have left Seattle anyways.-Jackson has a bad knee and what may be a degenerative turf toe condition and has missed 13 games in the past 2 seasons.-The Seahawks have a deep WR corps with Branch, Hackett, Burleson, Engram and want to unload some of that WR salary.Can you blame the Seahawks for trading him?

 

[Sweetness_34]

I am upset the Bears decided not to get any one of them. They had 2 3rd rounders at the end of the 3rd round after the SD trade. They could have gotten either one with that pick. Moss or DJax with Moose, Berrian, Bradley, Des Clark and Olsen would have made our passing O so much more potent and made us a legit SB threat for at least 2 more years.

 

[Keith Lewis]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Djax's salary, injury risks also came along with it.

From the trade article: Jackson is due to make $3.25 million in base salary this season. He said the trade included no major changes to his contract.Jackson passed a physical in Santa Clara and visited with 49ers coach Mike Nolan on Saturday, and the Seahawks agreed to the trade Sunday morning.Here is the real issue:Jackson's tenure in Seattle included three 1,000-yard seasons and 47 touchdowns, but also several skirmishes with team brass about his contract, which runs through 2009. Jackson felt he had a handshake deal with former team president Bob Whitsitt to improve his contract -- but when Whitsitt was fired and Ruskell was hired in early 2005, no changes were made.Honestly, can you blame him for not being happy with that type of organization.

-Jackson has not shown up to off-season workouts in the past 3 years.-Jackson has been causing problems and complaining about his current contract and it the relations weren't improving -Jackson's contract is up in a couple years and will want huge money, and would have left Seattle anyways.-Jackson has a bad knee and what may be a degenerative turf toe condition and has missed 13 games in the past 2 seasons.-The Seahawks have a deep WR corps with Branch, Hackett, Burleson, Engram and want to unload some of that WR salary.Can you blame the Seahawks for trading him?

Jackson and a 1st round pickforBranch and a 4th round pickSeriously, do you guys have a clue?

 

[Da Guru]

Burleson will fill in just fine. Seattle will not miss a beat.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Burleson Hackett will fill in just fine. Seattle will not miss a beat.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Burleson will fill in just fine. Seattle will not miss a beat.

I agree with this. Helping out a division rival wasn't the smartest move though.

 

[Giggity]

Burleson will fill in just fine. Seattle will not miss a beat.

Odds for the WR2 for the SeaBagsHackett 99.99%Me 00.01%Burleson 00.00%

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Burleson will fill in just fine. Seattle will not miss a beat.

I agree with this. Helping out a division rival wasn't the smartest move though.

Ruskell has said that there wasn't really any interest Jackson and San Fran was basically the only option.Is it encouraging when no other teams are really interested?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Djax's salary, injury risks also came along with it.

From the trade article: Jackson is due to make $3.25 million in base salary this season. He said the trade included no major changes to his contract.Jackson passed a physical in Santa Clara and visited with 49ers coach Mike Nolan on Saturday, and the Seahawks agreed to the trade Sunday morning.Here is the real issue:Jackson's tenure in Seattle included three 1,000-yard seasons and 47 touchdowns, but also several skirmishes with team brass about his contract, which runs through 2009. Jackson felt he had a handshake deal with former team president Bob Whitsitt to improve his contract -- but when Whitsitt was fired and Ruskell was hired in early 2005, no changes were made.Honestly, can you blame him for not being happy with that type of organization.

-Jackson has not shown up to off-season workouts in the past 3 years.-Jackson has been causing problems and complaining about his current contract and it the relations weren't improving -Jackson's contract is up in a couple years and will want huge money, and would have left Seattle anyways.-Jackson has a bad knee and what may be a degenerative turf toe condition and has missed 13 games in the past 2 seasons.-The Seahawks have a deep WR corps with Branch, Hackett, Burleson, Engram and want to unload some of that WR salary.Can you blame the Seahawks for trading him?

Jackson and a 1st round pickforBranch and a 4th round pickSeriously, do you guys have a clue?

Not a fair comparison because of the timing difference. At the time teams were pursuing Branch, a 1st rounder was market value. It like saying the 49ers are stupid for signing Nate Clements to the highest paid defensive contract in the history of the NFL. Its the current market value for top CBs. Just how the business works.

 

[CalBear]

The main thing is that player value is a composite of three things:

1) Value to the current team, this year

2) Expected future value to the current team

3) Liability to the current team

Factor #2 is why someone who's in the last year of his contract is worth less than someone in the first year. Factor #3 is why someone who's due a big signing bonus is worth less than someone on a cheap contract, and also why someone who has conflict with teammates and coaches is worth less than someone who doesn't.

 

[Duke1948]

Burleson will fill in just fine. Seattle will not miss a beat.

Odds for the WR2 for the SeaBagsHackett 99.99%Me 00.01%Burleson 00.00%

joined last week and already promoted to GM. that's fast tracking.

 

[Giggity]

Burleson will fill in just fine. Seattle will not miss a beat.

Odds for the WR2 for the SeaBagsHackett 99.99%Me 00.01%Burleson 00.00%

joined last week and already promoted to GM. that's fast tracking.

Thanks for adding to the thread. Keep representing.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I just wanted to say that Hipple, Long, Ware & Peete is my favorite username here on FBG.

And to above responses, I know moss has a little baggage and D jax can be a bicth but a FOURTH rounder?I still remember with Culp (who was more valuable at the time) still only garnered a three, but that teams are willing to give away thirds and fourths like hotcakes to maneuver around the draft. Moss is more talented than any WR in this draft not na,ed Calvin Johnson. But for e.gBroncos Get Jaguars Get# 1st round, No. 17: Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida# 1st round, No. 21: Reggie Nelson, S, Florida# 3rd round, No. 86 (traded)# 6th round, No. 198 (traded) i mean Jarvis Moss is good, but they gave away a third (apparently more valuable than a top 5 WR w/issues) and 6th to jump 4 spots. It just seems weird.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

for e.g

Lions Get

# 2nd round, No. 62: Gerald Alexander, DB, Boise State

Ravens Get

# 3rd round, No. 74: Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State

# 4th round, No. 101 (traded)

You telling me the ravens would rather spend a three on Yamon Figurs than on Moss? Steve Mcnair is your qb, this isn't a youth movement.

 

[PatsWillWin]

for e.gLions Get # 2nd round, No. 62: Gerald Alexander, DB, Boise StateRavens Get# 3rd round, No. 74: Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State# 4th round, No. 101 (traded)You telling me the ravens would rather spend a three on Yamon Figurs than on Moss? Steve Mcnair is your qb, this isn't a youth movement.

What I think you're not considering is that Moss had some control in the trade - he would not redo his contract for all teams and thus was much less valuable to those teams than he was to the Patriots.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Djax's salary, injury risks also came along with it.

From the trade article: Jackson is due to make $3.25 million in base salary this season. He said the trade included no major changes to his contract.Jackson passed a physical in Santa Clara and visited with 49ers coach Mike Nolan on Saturday, and the Seahawks agreed to the trade Sunday morning.Here is the real issue:Jackson's tenure in Seattle included three 1,000-yard seasons and 47 touchdowns, but also several skirmishes with team brass about his contract, which runs through 2009. Jackson felt he had a handshake deal with former team president Bob Whitsitt to improve his contract -- but when Whitsitt was fired and Ruskell was hired in early 2005, no changes were made.Honestly, can you blame him for not being happy with that type of organization.

agreed? Look at your teams 4th round pick, or even third round pick (especially if you even drafted a receiver) and tell me how you are better off with the pirces you have then subbing in Moss.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I am upset the Bears decided not to get any one of them. They had 2 3rd rounders at the end of the 3rd round after the SD trade. They could have gotten either one with that pick. Moss or DJax with Moose, Berrian, Bradley, Des Clark and Olsen would have made our passing O so much more potent and made us a legit SB threat for at least 2 more years.

Exactly, and your receivers are actually above average I would say with the emergence of Berrien. But 3rd and 5 who would love to have Moss on the wing?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

and people give up a fourth rounder to jump up and draft a prospective player. I still don't get the picks for player disparity.

Djax's salary, injury risks also came along with it.

From the trade article: Jackson is due to make $3.25 million in base salary this season. He said the trade included no major changes to his contract.Jackson passed a physical in Santa Clara and visited with 49ers coach Mike Nolan on Saturday, and the Seahawks agreed to the trade Sunday morning.Here is the real issue:Jackson's tenure in Seattle included three 1,000-yard seasons and 47 touchdowns, but also several skirmishes with team brass about his contract, which runs through 2009. Jackson felt he had a handshake deal with former team president Bob Whitsitt to improve his contract -- but when Whitsitt was fired and Ruskell was hired in early 2005, no changes were made.Honestly, can you blame him for not being happy with that type of organization.

-Jackson has not shown up to off-season workouts in the past 3 years.-Jackson has been causing problems and complaining about his current contract and it the relations weren't improving -Jackson's contract is up in a couple years and will want huge money, and would have left Seattle anyways.-Jackson has a bad knee and what may be a degenerative turf toe condition and has missed 13 games in the past 2 seasons.-The Seahawks have a deep WR corps with Branch, Hackett, Burleson, Engram and want to unload some of that WR salary.Can you blame the Seahawks for trading him?

Jackson and a 1st round pickforBranch and a 4th round pickSeriously, do you guys have a clue?

Not a fair comparison because of the timing difference. At the time teams were pursuing Branch, a 1st rounder was market value. It like saying the 49ers are stupid for signing Nate Clements to the highest paid defensive contract in the history of the NFL. Its the current market value for top CBs. Just how the business works.

They definitely overpaid for branch, by league standards even. But it was a bidding war withthe Jets IIRC that upped the price. Then again Branch is a great young receiver, and improved the Sea passing attack immeasurably. Oh and he doesn't drop passes, like well... everyone in Sea the year before that. Plus on the heels of Krob and his boozing they wanted a clean cut guy.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Again: Moss would not redo his contract to go to all of these other teams. Whether or not they would give up a 4th round pick is irrelevant because nobody wants an unhappy Randy Moss at $10 million/year.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

for e.gLions Get # 2nd round, No. 62: Gerald Alexander, DB, Boise StateRavens Get# 3rd round, No. 74: Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State# 4th round, No. 101 (traded)You telling me the ravens would rather spend a three on Yamon Figurs than on Moss? Steve Mcnair is your qb, this isn't a youth movement.

What I think you're not considering is that Moss had some control in the trade - he would not redo his contract for all teams and thus was much less valuable to those teams than he was to the Patriots.

This is :hijack:ing into a djax/moss thread, when I really meant to discuss more why draft picks are touted as so valuable in trades (branch is the exception) usually get 3,4,5 for people who are all pros. Whereas people chcuk around picks on draft day to move up and get an unknown like its a 17th rd pick in a FF draft.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Again: Moss would not redo his contract to go to all of these other teams. Whether or not they would give up a 4th round pick is irrelevant because nobody wants an unhappy Randy Moss at $10 million/year.

I bet Saban could handle Moss.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

By Mike Sando

"Gil Haskell said the receiver's (DJack) injuries kept him out of practices over the last two seasons, hurting his rapport with QB Matt Hasselbeck. Haskell also noted that Seattle's offense, and its receivers in particular, flourished when Jackson was injured for a long stretch during the 2005 season."

 

[seahawk 17]

By Mike Sando"Gil Haskell said the receiver's (DJack) injuries kept him out of practices over the last two seasons, hurting his rapport with QB Matt Hasselbeck. Haskell also noted that Seattle's offense, and its receivers in particular, flourished when Jackson was injured for a long stretch during the 2005 season."

I am done defending this trade. Jackson won't play in 10 games this season. This time next year you can tell people that you told them so.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Again: Moss would not redo his contract to go to all of these other teams. Whether or not they would give up a 4th round pick is irrelevant because nobody wants an unhappy Randy Moss at $10 million/year.

I bet Saban could handle Moss.