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What part of America is the best place to live? (1 Viewer)
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NutterButter
Footballguy
The sprawl and traffic are pretty awful. High in crime and downtown has an impressive amount of panhandlers. The parking lot full of hobos when I got off the interstate the last couple of times I've visited is a nice touch too.
I like to live where I can walk around on foot a lot of the time safely. I know lots of people who've lived in at Atlanta. The only ones who have liked it lived in the Northern suburbs, that wouldn't suit me.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Alpine, NJ... Tenafly and the surrounding area is almost as nice. Livingston & Montclair and that area should be up on this list too. Also Brooklyn Heights & The Upper West Side.
For warm weather I've heard San Diego is amazing, never been but I'd rather stay out of Florida. Been to Newport Beach and wouldn't mind living there.
For warm weather I've heard San Diego is amazing, never been but I'd rather stay out of Florida. Been to Newport Beach and wouldn't mind living there.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I've always lived in the suburbs and your comment about downtown is basically my experience. I will say there are some nice areas downtown too where I wouldn't mind living. The main reason I was asking is my office is moving downtown - we'll be just a block or so from the Hard Rock Cafe and while I've been here my whole life I don't know a lot about downtown or that area specifically. I'm not seriously entertaining moving down there right now but it's an option so I'm curious about opinions of that area. Thanks.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Oh come on
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
Dippa
Footballguy
Yup...nothing here but strip malls
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
jonessed
Footballguy
A lot of this is dependant on your budget. San Francisco has a lot of great things, but the median home price for the entire city is over $1MM (that includes hovels in crap areas). Their school busing systems also means that if you don't hit the charter school lottery you have to be able to afford private schools. You can get by with elementary school if you buy in a nice area, but that's probably going to be renting one or two bedroom apartment unless you can afford upwards of $1.5M for a small house. Even by FBG standards that's a pretty high bar. It's a fantastic city to visit or live in sans children though.
This probably goes for a lot of the prime areas of California (although not to the same extent). I've lived in Encinitas, Dana Point, San Luis Obispo, Shell Beach, San Francisco, San Rafael, Mill Valley, Redwood City, Sacramento, and Walnut Creek. Outside of Sacramento those are all prime areas and you definitely give up a lot to live there. If money and career opportunities weren't constraints I would go back to San Luis Obispo in a heartbeat. There isn't a city in California that can beat it.
To be fair, I'd be fine with living in Midtown or Buckhead if single. Always have fun visiting. However, my girlfriend refuses to ever consider living there. She has been much more than me. So we'll stick with Charlotte.
krista4
Footballguy
We've lived in Midtown for about three months and it's very nice. I think that, much like Buckhead, Midtown is so gentrified that it's a little douchey, but it's certainly very nice, safe, and with lots to do. We're right on Piedmont Park, which is an incredible park we use all the time. If we stay in Atlanta, we'll likely move to a different area of the city like Virginia Highland (which is probably a bit too gentrified too but very beautiful), Inman Park or Candler Park. If you really think about moving down I'd be happy to give more advice--though we've been here only a short time we've actively looked for a house for a while and have learned a ton about the neighborhoods.
Florida. Lots of different places in Florida.
Job market is greatly improved.
Housing market is really coming back but you can still find great values all over.
Low RE taxes.
No state income tax.
No payroll taxes (from employees).
Year round warm weather.
Beaches. Lots of beaches.
Lots of amusement parks and attractions.
Short plane ride to the Caribbean, Mexico, etc.
Job market is greatly improved.
Housing market is really coming back but you can still find great values all over.
Low RE taxes.
No state income tax.
No payroll taxes (from employees).
Year round warm weather.
Beaches. Lots of beaches.
Lots of amusement parks and attractions.
Short plane ride to the Caribbean, Mexico, etc.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Dippa said:Yup...nothing here but strip mallsTobiasFunke said:Sarnoff said:
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
Dippa
Footballguy
Where more people live? Have you ever been to Atlanta?That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Dippa said:Yup...nothing here but strip mallsTobiasFunke said:Sarnoff said:
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Yes, I've been there many times. Seems like a nice place to live, but my friends who live in the region almost never took me downtown to go out for the night. They'd take me to via highway to Buckhead or Midtown or Highland (?), which just doesn't fit my personal conception of a "city." Sorry. And judging from the fact that the baseball team is fleeing the downtown for the suburbs, my friends aren't the only ones who mostly avoid downtown. Although I haven't been for several years, and judging from articles like this one published after they announced the move it sounds like they has been some movement in that direction on the downtown front?Where more people live? Have you ever been to Atlanta?That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Dippa said:Yup...nothing here but strip mallsTobiasFunke said:Sarnoff said:
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
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Racist.Yes, I've been there many times. Seems like a nice place to live, but my friends who live in the region almost never took me downtown to go out for the night. They'd take me to via highway to Buckhead or Midtown or Highland (?), which just doesn't fit my personal conception of a "city." Sorry. And judging from the fact that the baseball team is fleeing the downtown for the suburbs, my friends aren't the only ones who mostly avoid downtown. Although I haven't been for several years, and judging from articles like this one published after they announced the move it sounds like they has been some movement in that direction on the downtown front?Where more people live? Have you ever been to Atlanta?That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Dippa said:Yup...nothing here but strip mallsTobiasFunke said:Sarnoff said:
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Thanks krista - for now I'm just waiting to see how my new commute will be and how the area around my office is. If we get serious about a move I'll send you a PM.
@Tobias - I get what you are saying but that's just how Atlanta has been downtown. I guess the question for people is whether they consider living in the suburbs of a big city to still be "big city living". I always tell people I'm from Atlanta but I've never once lived in Atlanta city limits.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
We need to send Sherman back there.Yes, I've been there many times. Seems like a nice place to live, but my friends who live in the region almost never took me downtown to go out for the night. They'd take me to via highway to Buckhead or Midtown or Highland (?), which just doesn't fit my personal conception of a "city." Sorry. And judging from the fact that the baseball team is fleeing the downtown for the suburbs, my friends aren't the only ones who mostly avoid downtown. Although I haven't been for several years, and judging from articles like this one published after they announced the move it sounds like they has been some movement in that direction on the downtown front?Where more people live? Have you ever been to Atlanta?That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Dippa said:Yup...nothing here but strip mallsTobiasFunke said:Sarnoff said:
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
Fennis
Footballguy
The_Man
Footballguy
DD, you realize he said northern Maryland, right? Not northern VA or DC-adjacent Maryland. I've lived in both and I find northern MD has most of the advantages of the DC area without many of the aggravations you describe. Or maybe you understood him perfectly, and just don't like the area.
Rick James
Footballguy
Buckhead, midtown, and the highlands are all within the city limits of Atlanta. Your post makes no sense.Yes, I've been there many times. Seems like a nice place to live, but my friends who live in the region almost never took me downtown to go out for the night. They'd take me to via highway to Buckhead or Midtown or Highland (?), which just doesn't fit my personal conception of a "city." Sorry. And judging from the fact that the baseball team is fleeing the downtown for the suburbs, my friends aren't the only ones who mostly avoid downtown. Although I haven't been for several years, and judging from articles like this one published after they announced the move it sounds like they has been some movement in that direction on the downtown front?Where more people live? Have you ever been to Atlanta?That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Yup...nothing here but strip malls
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Might want to reread. It makes perfect sense.Buckhead, midtown, and the highlands are all within the city limits of Atlanta. Your post makes no sense.Yes, I've been there many times. Seems like a nice place to live, but my friends who live in the region almost never took me downtown to go out for the night. They'd take me to via highway to Buckhead or Midtown or Highland (?), which just doesn't fit my personal conception of a "city." Sorry. And judging from the fact that the baseball team is fleeing the downtown for the suburbs, my friends aren't the only ones who mostly avoid downtown. Although I haven't been for several years, and judging from articles like this one published after they announced the move it sounds like they has been some movement in that direction on the downtown front?Where more people live? Have you ever been to Atlanta?That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Yup...nothing here but strip malls
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Apple Jack
Footballguy
The guy who referred to northern MD specified 95 between Baltimore and Delaware.
Dippa
Footballguy
Nope, just a hollowed-out shell that everyone avoids. I'm shocked that when your friends from the suburbs took you out to other suburbs, it didn't fit your conception of a city.Yes, I've been there many times. Seems like a nice place to live, but my friends who live in the region almost never took me downtown to go out for the night. They'd take me to via highway to Buckhead or Midtown or Highland (?), which just doesn't fit my personal conception of a "city." Sorry. And judging from the fact that the baseball team is fleeing the downtown for the suburbs, my friends aren't the only ones who mostly avoid downtown. Although I haven't been for several years, and judging from articles like this one published after they announced the move it sounds like they has been some movement in that direction on the downtown front?Where more people live? Have you ever been to Atlanta?That's the hollowed-out shell of a "downtown" that the Braves are fleeing so they can go where more people live, right?Yup...nothing here but strip malls
Probably should have focused on the greater flaw with the list- Atlanta at #2. It's not even a city, it's just a bunch of loosely affiliated suburbs.
Honestly, there is some truth to what you're saying, but the extreme you are taking it to is ridiculous. It's no secret that there is a lot of sprawl and suburbs in Atlanta, but there is, and has been, a lot going on in downtown/midtown (never heard anyone refer to midtown as suburban). As the article mentions, more affluent residents are increasingly moving into the city and areas are becoming nicer, but it's not like there was nothing there before.
As you acknowledge, Atlanta is a nice place to live, which was the purpose of the list. You can nitpick whether or not it is a city if you want, but it's a city by any definition I know. It wasn't a list of best nightlife or most "real city", so I don't really get why you're choosing to focus solely on those aspects. Downtown probably doesn't have the best nightlife in the city, because they have a lot of those things called skyscrapers, and stadiums, and concert venues. I'll actually be downtown with friends for a concert on New Years, and I wish more people would avoid downtown, as you suggest. As it is, downtown will be packed with all of the events going on.
tikigods
Footballguy
Waynesboro, PA is a nice place. My wife's grandparents live right on the Pen-Mar line.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Still not Florida
Daughter #1 came from Boston for the holidays. Beach and biking everyday. She's loving it, but she'll probably end up getting a good job up north. However, gentrification is creating some great neighborhoods in the cities of Florida. If you're a sports fan, Miami's a great place to live.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
No, I don't think so.
Also cockroaches, cockroaches, old people driving all day, cockroaches, hurricanes, @eoMMan, cockroaches, and humidity that kills your spirit. I could poop a better state.
Sports started getting really good in Miami around 1972. The undefeated 17-0 Dolphins and the theatrical performance by Linda Susan Boreman, aka Lovelace.
I hardly ever go to professional sporting events anymore, since I'd rather watch them at home or with friends. But the venues for the Marlins and the Dolphins are among the best. And the Dolphins are back in the playoffs!
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rockaction
Footballguy
Vermont gets cold and dark early in the winter. It can get depressing, though it's beautiful in the fall. I've been to Burlington several times for trips, and while it is nice, it's really small-townish, desolate, and there's high taxation, if I'm not mistaken. Lots of people move from NYC to Burlington because they can afford it, a lot of the locals move to the Live Free Or Die State from VT.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Way too cold in VT/NH.
The_Man
Footballguy
LOL at desolate. I lived in Burlington for 7 years. It is a great place to live if you ski/snowboard. Otherwise the winters are too log and depressing. But if you live to ski/ride, then the winters are paradise. My friends who still live there say the only downside is that while it used to feel like an awesome college town, they now feel like year-round residents of a resort town. Crowds, traffic and prices have all gone up but their incomes haven't risen commensurately.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, that's probably right. You lived there. Nightlife was in full force when I was there, but I formed my impression when we visited my friend who lived a town over from Burlington several times in the winter, though, and I remember desolation and isolation as an issue for him (his father had passed and he had a big house to take care of). I remember being downtown and there was nobody there or out, not even at Nectar's. It seemed remote. Also, I partook in the social scene where kids would come down from VT to Western MA and vice-versa. Seemed cold, lonely, druggy.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
You haven't seen cold and desolate until you've crossed the Mackinac Bridge. Why do I stay?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'd have to go with the outside part.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I can say that Maryland is absolutely America's ########, especially the 95 corridor from Baltimore to the Delaware line. Ghetto/trailer trash people, tons of drugs, depressing landscape. Absolute ####hole in every way.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That's like 5% of Maryland, and the boringest and ugliest 5% at that. This is like visiting Bakersfield and declaring the entire state of California to be a boring wasteland devoid of character and culture.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
yeah I was just ageeeing with the sentiment about 95 from Baltimore to the state line, though the Susquehanna river is nice. MD has a lot of great spots and fascinating history. Right off the bat you have the Chesapeake bay, Alleghany Mountains and Potomac River valley. Beats 3/4 of the states for those alone.
