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What players are you reaching for? (1 Viewer)
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FantasyTrader
Footballguy
Ray Rice's value just keeps climbing, but he's STILL not going where I'm unwilling to draft him.
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Harry Beanbag
Sausage King of Chicago
In a keep 2 league, no PPR, I am considering keeping Pierre Thomas and tossing Tomlinson on the scrap heap. (Keeping Michael Turner as the other keeper) Not sure if that is considered a reach or not because it is a choice of a keeper rather than drafting someone.
I love that fact that these called 'experts' based their rankings almost solely on last year's stats so now I don't have to reach for Reggie Wayne in the 1st. I can get him in the second round now in my PPR leagues. As the Colts struggled at the beginning of last season, Wayne's stats were down, so he drops from being a top 3 WR to a 7th, 8th.
I now found myself getting both Fitzgerald and Wayne... love it.
I do 'reach' for Reggie Bush (3rd) and Willie Parker (4th). Bush can be great in a PPR league and I see Pierre Thomas continuing growth as being able to take pressure off of Bush. Parker suffered from injuries last year, and with a healthy Mendenhall to spell him I see FWP staying fresher and healthier. Plus FWP is good in PPR leagues as well. Plus as I go WR-WR in the first two rounds I am looking for RBs with lots of upside.
I hedge my bets by grabbing Beanie Wells and/or Moreno later on in the draft. I was even able to get Graham with a very late pick in one league. So my RBs might have questions, but I get enough of them to find two starters among them.
(I get my QB in round 5...)
Von
I now found myself getting both Fitzgerald and Wayne... love it.
I do 'reach' for Reggie Bush (3rd) and Willie Parker (4th). Bush can be great in a PPR league and I see Pierre Thomas continuing growth as being able to take pressure off of Bush. Parker suffered from injuries last year, and with a healthy Mendenhall to spell him I see FWP staying fresher and healthier. Plus FWP is good in PPR leagues as well. Plus as I go WR-WR in the first two rounds I am looking for RBs with lots of upside.
I hedge my bets by grabbing Beanie Wells and/or Moreno later on in the draft. I was even able to get Graham with a very late pick in one league. So my RBs might have questions, but I get enough of them to find two starters among them.
(I get my QB in round 5...)
Von
I like to follow a plan similar to that. I feel RB's are far more volatile than WR's, with injuries and youth etc. Only a few top caliber WRs though, where as any RB can come out of the blue to finish in the top 10, a lot more rare with WRs. Last year we saw Forte, Slaton, Johnson, Turner, DWill... a bunch of guys without any or a large track record make noise. Where as the top WRs were the usual names (aside from maybe Royal, and D Jackson if you got lucky). Just think it's easier to find a replacement RB, specially with all the RBBC who can put up points, than it is to get a top tier WR.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Eddie Royal. He'll have more fantasy points than Marshall.
Steeler Bräu
Footballguy
I'll probably end up reaching for Palmer and C. Henry. Love them both this year.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
I think a lot of owners will be reaching for Rice. Who is willing to reach the furthest?
I don't fall in love with anyone. There are players that I would like to have more than others, but I don't like reaching for anyone.
I don't fall in love with anyone. There are players that I would like to have more than others, but I don't like reaching for anyone.
I think Joey Galloway and Freddie T will put up way better numbers than their projections are indicating right now
I'm willing to draft them w/spot starting in mind and therefore will take them ever so slightly ahead of their ADP--maybe a round, so as not to overpay when the crowd just doesn't see it that way
but reaching over a round to get a guy just doesn't make sence---let the others 'reach', then make solid choices as the value falls to you
RB's are dropping like flies in most drafts I've seen this year...as much as it pains me, Von makes a good point about WR-WR in ppr drafts as a pair of top flight WR's can go a long way in pulling your squad, given the starting RB options available
Jamal Lewis won't be a top 10 RB this yr, but is certainly serviceable RB2 material...his ADP?
7.7, as player #79(RB32) in Top 200
I'm willing to draft them w/spot starting in mind and therefore will take them ever so slightly ahead of their ADP--maybe a round, so as not to overpay when the crowd just doesn't see it that way
but reaching over a round to get a guy just doesn't make sence---let the others 'reach', then make solid choices as the value falls to you
RB's are dropping like flies in most drafts I've seen this year...as much as it pains me, Von makes a good point about WR-WR in ppr drafts as a pair of top flight WR's can go a long way in pulling your squad, given the starting RB options available
Jamal Lewis won't be a top 10 RB this yr, but is certainly serviceable RB2 material...his ADP?
7.7, as player #79(RB32) in Top 200
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I know 85 is talkin about a big year and Coles is in town.....but Henry is a guy I will be targeting in all leagues and I will probably go get him a round or so higher then I should.....
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
The best QB that may not be on the keeper list in my league(start 2 QB) is Rothlisberger.
I normally dont reach on anybody, but I have 2 keepers (LT & McNabb) who are getting on in age, and McNabb has a more serious injury history. I will reach for him in the sense of overpaying at the auction table as this is a league where we are starting 2 QB's and a solid #2 QB is very important here. Also having someone who I could keep if McNabb gets hurt again may be prudent at this point.
I normally dont reach on anybody, but I have 2 keepers (LT & McNabb) who are getting on in age, and McNabb has a more serious injury history. I will reach for him in the sense of overpaying at the auction table as this is a league where we are starting 2 QB's and a solid #2 QB is very important here. Also having someone who I could keep if McNabb gets hurt again may be prudent at this point.
I understand what you are saying and I'm not trying to dispute your strategy, but....You said you want to go Fitz, Wayne, Bush, Parker, QB which is very doable, but then you said you want to hedge your bets by grabbing Wells and/or Moreno later in the draft. Well, you are not going to get Moreno in the 6th, and possibly Wells will be gone as well. You may want to start looking at other RB's to hedge your bets with, Donald Brown perhaps.VonRomig said:
Defending Champs
Footballguy
I found in years past that the more I reached, the more I got burned...with that said, I like Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson to have nice years this year.
There's no one I absolutely MUST have but that's mainly because I stick to auctions and sometimes the price goes too high...I'm willing to overpay for the following (or take early in my snake drafts):
Randy Moss
Steve Smith
Shockey
Felix Jones
Reggie Bush
Ryan Grant
Matt Schaub
Sammy Morris
I'm a big fan of all those guys giving me much better value than what it costs so I've noticed they're the core players that have constantly ended up on my team.
Randy Moss
Steve Smith
Shockey
Felix Jones
Reggie Bush
Ryan Grant
Matt Schaub
Sammy Morris
I'm a big fan of all those guys giving me much better value than what it costs so I've noticed they're the core players that have constantly ended up on my team.
These two:
WR Chris Henry CIN
RB Michael Bush OAK
I will be targeting them earlier than I should be and will likely grab each of them......Bush in round 9 and Henry in round 10. Yes they will likely be there in my (5 keeper) money league.
WR Chris Henry CIN
RB Michael Bush OAK
I will be targeting them earlier than I should be and will likely grab each of them......Bush in round 9 and Henry in round 10. Yes they will likely be there in my (5 keeper) money league.
Who defines what early is? What if early to the mags for Rice is 7th round, but guys in your league like him in the 5th? If Rice is going to see most of the carries/catches out of the backfield there will be no such thing as early for him, and there's no way you're going to get him for a cheap 6/7/8th round pick.Reaching for players makes drafts so great. If no one ever made a reach all drafts would look like projection lists on down - BORING. Intelligent reaching wins championships.bcr8f said:
Moonlight_Graham
Footballguy
Knowing that league members peruse this forum, why would anyone be truthful as to whom they are targeting?
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Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Why all the Chris Henry love in here? What am I missing?
I mean, I can understand drafting him at his ADP or slightly sooner as a depth WR - but to see him being mentioned multiple times in here has me wondering. I'm apparently missing the boat, someone fill me in... He's still in Cincy behind Chad and Coles right?
I mean, I can understand drafting him at his ADP or slightly sooner as a depth WR - but to see him being mentioned multiple times in here has me wondering. I'm apparently missing the boat, someone fill me in... He's still in Cincy behind Chad and Coles right?
seatownfavorite
Footballguy
I only reach if I am confident the guy I want will not be there the next round. Even then there are usually a couple of guys who have dropped a little too far so it's hard to reach for someone while overlooking good value. Guys I like to beat there ADP this year:
QB:
Palmer, Hasselbeck
RB:
Grant, FWP
WR:
Santonio Holmes, Vincent Jackson
TE:
Zack Miller, Celek
QB:
Palmer, Hasselbeck
RB:
Grant, FWP
WR:
Santonio Holmes, Vincent Jackson
TE:
Zack Miller, Celek
pantherclub
Footballguy
Probably Braylon Edwards in the 3rd.
Carver
Footballguy
Upside. many people think he can better fill the RZ void left by Housh. I can easily see 700yrds 6-7 td's out of henry. By all reports he has worked hard this off-season and could be back in favor with the coaching staff.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Royal averaged 10.8 yards per catch last year. He wasn't really used much as a deep threat. I'm guessing he will be a PPR machine out of the slot in 3 WR sets.
RalphMouth
Footballguy
Housh was Cincy's 'red zone' target. Ocho has never been a 'red zone' guy and Coles doesn't have the size to be one either.Are you confident that Benson will be a goaline gold ? Henry is 6ft 4inches 200lbs- Can you say TARGET ?!?Here's a quote from Palmer a week ago- "Henry could be on the verge of a Randy Moss-type career."
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so do you think he'll be close to Randy Moss numbers? I hear you on the TDs (> 6 possible if Palmer stays intact), but 45-50 rec is his ceiling assuming both Chad and Coles dont get hurt.
Wally Cleaver
Footballguy
Not to hijack, but if you feel like there is guy in the sixth round that is going to produce like a 1st or second rounder, it is probably a good idea to reach for him in the fifth, then sit and hope that you can get him at his current adp in the sixth. This is how you win championships.
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Carver
Footballguy
I think you read my post wrong bro.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Based on last year and what I read about Palmer, there is no way he makes it through the whole year.
I'm sorry. I must have worded my post wrong. I was not saying that I was just going to try and get them, I was saying that I did get them in a few leagues and will try to do likewise in future drafts if I am in the same situation.In one league on CBSsports my roster is: (pick 10 of 12)McNabbReggie BushWillie ParkerLarry FitzgeraldReggie WayneJason Wittenwith my bench of: RBs Wells, Moreno, Graham; WRs Coles, BerrianAnother league, at Yahoo! I have: (pick 12 of 12)RodgersReggie BushWillie ParkerLarry FitzgeraldReggie WayneChad OchocincoOwen Danielswith my bench of: RBs D. Ward, Wells; WRs H. Ward, HixonNow these are free leagues, ones I use to test draft strategies, but the players were there for me to take. Now from experience, people in re-draft money leagues are less willing to grab at players who are unproven (like Wells, Moreno) or have question marks (like Bush. Parker). I'm grabbing Bush and Parker while most of the others are starting to pick up their WRs, and I'm after Wells and Moreno while the others are taking QBs, TEs, and their 3rd WR (2RB, 3WR leagues).Is this best I could do? Probably not. Are these championship teams? Who knows, and maybe not. But I like the rosters in a PPR format.Von
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
No? He had multiple doctors look at his elbow to evaluate it for surgery and they all agreed he didn't need it?You obviously think he should have?Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?pantherclub said:
baconisgood
Footballguy
Wayne put up 86/1, 93/1,74/0,97/1, 118/1- to open the season. The Colts slow start did not coincide with Wayne. It was week 6-14 that dragged his numbers down. Hes been a top 3 receiver once in his career and a top 5 receiver twice. Chad Johnson has more top 5 seasons and more top 10 seasons than Wayne in the same number of years in the league + playing with Kitna for 3 years. Wayne is probably the most overrated receiver in the top 10.
Nemesis Enforcer
Footballguy
Donald Brown
Matt Schaub
I know there are a lot of TE options out there this season but I think this may be the year I go after a top TE in Witten, I feel like he is in the Gates situation from a couple years ago - strong running game, qb who locks in on him, no dominant WR1.
Matt Schaub
I know there are a lot of TE options out there this season but I think this may be the year I go after a top TE in Witten, I feel like he is in the Gates situation from a couple years ago - strong running game, qb who locks in on him, no dominant WR1.
I guess one would be better off looking to consistency, rather than just last year stats. It is a good thing you used Chad as an example... he has been very consistent, yet one bad season and now he drops out of the top 20 in several rankings. The opposite can be said of Andre Johnson; he is a rollercoaster WR, and so every other year he pops in the top 5. Last year he maxed out and now he is seen as the number 2 best receiver. Haw. If he kept to his history this will be a down year for him. Regardless he has not shown me the consistency to pick him over Wayne. As for Chad, I am glad he had an off year, it now gives me a chance to grab him as my WR3, to go with Fitz and Wayne.I like to have owners in my leagues who look at the consistent players, and down grade them due to one poor season the year before. They're grabbing at the Andre Johnsons and Calvin Johnsons of the league and leaving the guys who have proven over time I can count on them... This goes for QBs, RBs, etc as well.(as for Calvin; he broke out last year, but this year he will likely be breaking in a new QB and the team shows an indication that they will try to run more... try to control the game a little better. I see a big drop-off, not worthy of a top 5 pick)But this is all just IMHO Von
I believe this is the time when most people get the true sense of the players. They have seen the changes made by the teams, and have evaluated the off-season actions. They are, for the most part, over the hype of the rookies coming into the league. Everyone is knee-deep in research material and projections. While the vast networking of fantasy footballers have formed an averaged value of the players... ignoring the extremes of man-crushes and haters.This all gets ruined when the pre-season games begin. That is when players start to get overvalued. When 2 receptions, for 54 yards, and a touchdown kicks a top 25 player into the mid-teens. Or people start grabbing at players like David Clowney and Tashard Choice in the middle rounds.Von
massraider
Footballguy
I think this is valid. Every year, some scrub WR goes off in a nationally televised preseason game, and flies up draft boards.
MrSoup
Footballguy
I'm a 10 Team, 4 Keepers, PPR League, and with my 2nd round pick, pick #12, which would equal a 6th round pick in a redraft league, I'm looking to take Moreno.
Some of the guys are just magazine drafters, and the rest have other needs in Round #1, so I think I have a legit shot at him. Not to mention, none of them are Footballguys dudes.
They all said I was "F****** high" last year when I drafted Chris Johnson, Steve Slaton, Tim Hightower, DeSean Jackson, AND Eddie Royal. No bull####. I'll never match last years draft. I went crazy with rookies, and it panned out, but I realize I was lucky also.
Jackson and Royal were parts of deals that acquired me Rodgers and Boldin.
Some of the guys are just magazine drafters, and the rest have other needs in Round #1, so I think I have a legit shot at him. Not to mention, none of them are Footballguys dudes.
They all said I was "F****** high" last year when I drafted Chris Johnson, Steve Slaton, Tim Hightower, DeSean Jackson, AND Eddie Royal. No bull####. I'll never match last years draft. I went crazy with rookies, and it panned out, but I realize I was lucky also.
Jackson and Royal were parts of deals that acquired me Rodgers and Boldin.
