What rookie pick(s) are Anquan Boldin worth? (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Some see him as a low WR1, some see him as a WR2. He's not old (29) for a WR and he now has Flacco throwing it instead of Leinart. I project about 1100+ yds and 10 tds for him. If you were shopping Boldin what pick or picks would you ask for?

 

[renesauz]

I'm not nearly as big on picks as most, so it's unlikely many people would meet my demands.

IE: Picks are highly over-rated.

A high first.

 

[zed2283]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st. Maybe give back a 2011 2nd.

 

[FUBAR]

You aren't going to get the 1.01 or 1.02 for a 29 year old WR2, but I wouldn't give him for less than 1.04

 

[Cassius]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No way he'd fetch anything close to that imo.

 

[zed2283]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No one would pay that.

 

[Crippler]

I would want more than the 1.1 in the end. I know what I got. IN dynasty I dont want to look beyond 3 years in the end. I have a top notch WR already and this class is pretty unexciting to me. Bryant has way too many issues in the end for my liking. Just take a look at a year ago and I would not trade him for Moreno, Crabtree, Wells(even though this one is close), Brown, McCoy, Maclin, DHB as the top picks in most drafts last year. Even Britt is in a bad situation. So I will take 3 years of nice production and hopefully win some more championships than taking a chance on a pick in the end. Now if he was Randy Moss, I would be more inclined to trade but that is the 3 plus years of production I am thinking about.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No one would pay that.

I edited that post giving back a 2011 2nd. I just think that a 1.4 - 1.6 is not enough for someone like Boldin.

 

[zed2283]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No one would pay that.

I edited that post giving back a 2011 2nd. I just think that a 1.4 - 1.6 is not enough for someone like Boldin.

Well, I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily. Just saying that no one would give that up for him.

 

[Cassius]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No one would pay that.

I edited that post giving back a 2011 2nd. I just think that a 1.4 - 1.6 is not enough for someone like Boldin.

then you'll be keeping him.

 

[Crippler]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No one would pay that.

I edited that post giving back a 2011 2nd. I just think that a 1.4 - 1.6 is not enough for someone like Boldin.

then you'll be keeping him.

THe only reason is this is probably true is because a team with the 1.4 to 1.6 pick is probably not that good and why they ended up there. Why would a team that needs probably more than one player want to trade to get a player that will help them but wont help them win a championship. If your a team sitting with Brees, Chris Johnson, Shonne Greene, Calvin JOhnson, Marques Colston, and Malcolm FLoyd with Jermicheal FInley on your starting lineup and have Leshon McCoy, Mark Sanchez and DUstin Keller on your bench than I see a 1.6 and 1st rounder next year deal happening pretty damn quick. BUt your only selling Boldin to this guy if your team is going nowhere and I think you regret it 3 years down the road. I remember Randy Moss being traded 6 years ago for 4 1st rounders including the 1.2 one year and the 1.3 the next plus 2 late 1st. He drafted Caddy Williams, Lendale White, Craig Davis, and Matt Jones. Moss basically outscored all of them in 2 years of production. The guy ate everyone of these players in the end.

 

[anakin]

I wouldn't pay more than the 1.11 in a 14 teamer.

 

[39407]

I'd want more than most would be willing to give.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wouldn't pay more than the 1.11 in a 14 teamer.

So you would take the likes of Damien Williams, Ben Tate, Jimmy Clausen, Mardy Gilyard over Anquan Boldin?

 

[identikit]

FWIW, I saw Boldin traded for draft pick 1.4 a week or so ago prior to a rookie draft.

 

[Zoomanji]

I think some people still think Kurt Warner is passing the ball to him

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'd want more than most would be willing to give.

hes about to have a monster year in PPR... I'm not even considering it unless I'm in total rebuild mode

 

[zed2283]

Sounds like you'd have to trade M.Wallace for him straight up.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think some people still think Kurt Warner is passing the ball to him

Flacco is pretty good. Boldin is lucky to be away from Arizona and Leinart.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think some people still think Kurt Warner is passing the ball to him

Flacco is pretty good. Boldin is lucky to be away from Arizona and Leinart.

2009 73 1028 7 134 1 2 2008 80 1037 5 121 1 3 12007 103 1087 5 1Mason's totals the past 3 years

 

[KoolKat]

It would take 1.04 or better for me. I would think about it for a 1.05 or 1.06, but probably would not do it. I see a drastic drop-off in talent following Spiller, Bryant, Best, and Mathews, so it would be tough for me to trade Boldin for Bradford, Gerhart, Thomas, or Dwyer.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think some people still think Kurt Warner is passing the ball to him

Flacco is pretty good. Boldin is lucky to be away from Arizona and Leinart.

2009 73 1028 7 134 1 2 2008 80 1037 5 121 1 3 12007 103 1087 5 1Mason's totals the past 3 years

....and to think how much better Boldin is than Mason.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I think rebuilding teams would give him up for 1.7 - 1.9 and at that price he is a great buy - helps a playoff team last year go hard for the title this year.

Competing teams will ask more because they need him short term.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Why is this not in the The Assistant Coach forum?

This is the forum to look for answers to all of your who to start, trade advice, and rate my team questions.

So this should be moved, seeking trade advice.

Thanks

 

[JohnnyU]

Why is this not in the The Assistant Coach forum? Thanks

I see you're making your rounds. You bitter bitter old man

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The issue is how many targets will he get and what will he do with those targets....

-Last year Boldin had 128 targets in 15 games so he averaged 8.53 targets a game...

-Fitz had 153 targets in 16 games so he averaged 9.56 targets a game

-Mason had 134 targets in Baltimore in 16 games so he averaged 8.375 a game....

-Warner attempted 34.2 pass attempts per game

-Flacco attempted 31.2 pass attempts per game

I guess I am trying to calculate how many targets Bolidn will get in an offense that Mason has been the main weapon of for a long time. I think Boldin will be around 8 targets a game and be a decent ppg player and finish just outside of the WR 1 territory.

 

[Zoomanji]

I think some people still think Kurt Warner is passing the ball to him

Flacco is pretty good. Boldin is lucky to be away from Arizona and Leinart.

2009 73 1028 7 134 1 2 2008 80 1037 5 121 1 3 12007 103 1087 5 1Mason's totals the past 3 years

....and to think how much better Boldin is than Mason.

But Mason is still there My point being, rather than Boldin getting all of Mason targets, the targets that were going to Mason and the #2 will be more evenly split between both of them. On a team that doesn't throw a LOT.I think Boldin gets about 75 balls for about 1050. Mason will probably fall back to 60 or so catches.

 

[anakin]

I wouldn't pay more than the 1.11 in a 14 teamer.

So you would take the likes of Damien Williams, Ben Tate, Jimmy Clausen, Mardy Gilyard over Anquan Boldin?

Damien and Mardy Tate and Clausen

 

[mrgerty]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No way he'd fetch anything close to that imo.

I traded 1.08 (out of 16) for Bolden and 2.10. I'm also not as high on this rookie crop as some people.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I'm not nearly as big on picks as most, so it's unlikely many people would meet my demands.

IE: Picks are highly over-rated.

A high first.

Amen to that! It would take more than the 1.01 Rookie pick to pry Boldin away from my team.

I think Boldin owners will fall into two groups in the coming months. They will either:

1.) feel none too confident of his new situation and will unload him for whatever they can, or they will

2.) feel he will put up very solid numbers and thus will be very unlikely to trade him for anything short of a windfall.

 

[cstu]

I think some people still think Kurt Warner is passing the ball to him

Flacco is pretty good. Boldin is lucky to be away from Arizona and Leinart.

2009 73 1028 7 134 1 2 2008 80 1037 5 121 1 3 12007 103 1087 5 1Mason's totals the past 3 years

....and to think how much better Boldin is than Mason.

Where are the passes going to come from? The Ravens are a running team with a RB who catches a lot of passes. Even if Rice's catches go down there's still not a lot of passes to go around.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wouldn't pay more than the 1.11 in a 14 teamer.

So you would take the likes of Damien Williams, Ben Tate, Jimmy Clausen, Mardy Gilyard over Anquan Boldin?

Damien and Mardy

Sure you would

 

[Kleck]

I'd gladly trade a mid 1st for Boldin. And unless I was desperate for a RB I might even go as high as 1.03/1.04.

 

[Dragon1952]

I think some people still think Kurt Warner is passing the ball to him

Flacco is pretty good. Boldin is lucky to be away from Arizona and Leinart.

2009 73 1028 7 134 1 2 2008 80 1037 5 121 1 3 12007 103 1087 5 1Mason's totals the past 3 years

....and to think how much better Boldin is than Mason.

Where are the passes going to come from? The Ravens are a running team with a RB who catches a lot of passes. Even if Rice's catches go down there's still not a lot of passes to go around.

And were they supposed to be a passing team with only one viable WR?

 

[Kit Fisto]

I've been trying to move Boldin for months. I am stacked at WR, but have terrible RBs in this particular league.

I offered the 1.5 and Boldin for the 1.1.

I've also offered Boldin for Benson straight up.

Also Boldin for Felix Jones straight up.

No takers.

 

[cstu]

And were they supposed to be a passing team with only one viable WR?

No, but I don't see how adding Boldin suddenly changes their offensive scheme. I'm sure they will pass more this year and Boldin should do fine. I just don't see the upside for him and think last year's numbers - 80/1000/5 are about the best you can expect. Still good for 15 PPG in PPR and borderline #1 numbers, with the big caveat that he stays healthy.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I'm not nearly as big on picks as most, so it's unlikely many people would meet my demands.

IE: Picks are highly over-rated.

A high first.

Amen to that! It would take more than the 1.01 Rookie pick to pry Boldin away from my team.

I think Boldin owners will fall into two groups in the coming months. They will either:

1.) feel none too confident of his new situation and will unload him for whatever they can, or they will

2.) feel he will put up very solid numbers and thus will be very unlikely to trade him for anything short of a windfall.

If it was Boldin with Warner then sure, but as a 29 year old WR with his best days (although he will still be effective) behind him, I would rather have Bryant going forward out of the 1.1 slot this year. Last year you could have had Crabtree and two years before Adrian Peterson. There are some guys there at 1.1 that are better than Boldin at this stage and Bryant is one of those guys.

 

[Cassius]

Bad news guys -> Boldin is not going to significantly outperform Mason.

 

[renesauz]

I've been trying to move Boldin for months. I am stacked at WR, but have terrible RBs in this particular league.

I offered the 1.5 and Boldin for the 1.1.

I've also offered Boldin for Benson straight up.

Also Boldin for Felix Jones straight up.

No takers.

I'd be all over that. Not necessarily the others though, as the same thing applies. The problem isn't where Boldin is ranked, but the value people place on rookie picks. Quick....name 10 players taken in the top 5 of their rookie drafts over the last 4 years who are currently higher ranked then Boldin? Of those twenty players...most of us couldn't name more then 3 or 4 who would rank ahead of him on most lists. EVen reviewing the drafts, I doubt more then half are even in the ballpark.

IE: ROOKIE PICKS ARE DRAMATICALLY OVER-RATED. The smart owner takes advantage of the guys who are in love with the fresh rookies.

a high first and WR3/4 type with upside. If it's just a pick...it's a 1.01 or 1.02 if I'm rebuilding, maybe.

 

[az_prof]

I'd probably ask for a mid-to-low 1st.

Low first? No way. I'm thinking more of 1.4 - 1.6 + another 2011 1st.

No one would pay that.

I edited that post giving back a 2011 2nd. I just think that a 1.4 - 1.6 is not enough for someone like Boldin.

The problem is that not only is he 29 but he is often injured. My impression without checking is that he has only played one complete 16 game season. That's a real concern; no matter how good he is he does me no good if he is on the bench during my fantasy playoffs.Secondly, he is changing teams and he is going from Warner to Joe Flacco. I like Flacco, but he is not a hall of fame QB. Boldin should see an increase in looks, but BA is a run first team. Bottom line is that when a WR changes teams there is always uncertainty because you never know how he will fit in with a new QB and new OC. Some WRs do great but others actually decline. It's an unknown.So, put together the declining age, the known injury history, and the uncertainy about going to a new team, and I wouldn't give up more than a 1.8 to 1.10.

 

[renesauz]

I'm not nearly as big on picks as most, so it's unlikely many people would meet my demands.

IE: Picks are highly over-rated.

A high first.

Amen to that! It would take more than the 1.01 Rookie pick to pry Boldin away from my team.

I think Boldin owners will fall into two groups in the coming months. They will either:

1.) feel none too confident of his new situation and will unload him for whatever they can, or they will

2.) feel he will put up very solid numbers and thus will be very unlikely to trade him for anything short of a windfall.

If it was Boldin with Warner then sure, but as a 29 year old WR with his best days (although he will still be effective) behind him, I would rather have Bryant going forward out of the 1.1 slot this year. Last year you could have had Crabtree and two years before Adrian Peterson. There are some guys there at 1.1 that are better than Boldin at this stage and Bryant is one of those guys.

I could see this argument, but 1.02, 1.03? People greatly over-estimate the hit rate of top picks. Anything after 1.03 is peanuts for a sure-fire starter with WR1 potential and WR2 downside, even if it's only for 3 years. 1.1/1.2 on a rebuilding team...sure.

 

[John 14:6]

In my 16-team IDP league (start 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX, 1 PK, 3 DL 3 LB, 2 CB, 2 S, and 1 FLEX) I traded Boldin for 1.07 (strictly rookie draft). I already have Miles Austin and Vincent Jackson as my starters with Laurent Robinson, Josh Morgan, Mohammad Maasaquoi, and Tedd Ginn Jr. as my back-ups. We also have contracts and a salary cap. I was able to free up quite a bit by trading him...

I had mentioned that he was available and this was the first offer I got. The thing with IDPs, though, is I think the picks are more valuable than in regular leagues because you have more positions to fill. You can get a good LB here and there...

I also have Boldin in a TD only league where we can keep 6 players. I'm planning on keeping Aaron Rodgers, Frank Gore, Rashard Mendenhall, Jamal Charles, Percy Harvin, and Jermichael Finley. Hopefully I'll be able to get a decent pick for Boldin. I'm also considering keeping Boldin and trading Charles instead...

 

[az_prof]

I'm not nearly as big on picks as most, so it's unlikely many people would meet my demands.

IE: Picks are highly over-rated.

A high first.

Amen to that! It would take more than the 1.01 Rookie pick to pry Boldin away from my team.

I think Boldin owners will fall into two groups in the coming months. They will either:

1.) feel none too confident of his new situation and will unload him for whatever they can, or they will

2.) feel he will put up very solid numbers and thus will be very unlikely to trade him for anything short of a windfall.

If it was Boldin with Warner then sure, but as a 29 year old WR with his best days (although he will still be effective) behind him, I would rather have Bryant going forward out of the 1.1 slot this year. Last year you could have had Crabtree and two years before Adrian Peterson. There are some guys there at 1.1 that are better than Boldin at this stage and Bryant is one of those guys.

I could see this argument, but 1.02, 1.03? People greatly over-estimate the hit rate of top picks. Anything after 1.03 is peanuts for a sure-fire starter with WR1 potential and WR2 downside, even if it's only for 3 years. 1.1/1.2 on a rebuilding team...sure.

I got Donald Brown last season with the 1.04 and I wouldn't trade him straight up for Boldin although I can see how people might disagree with me. The year before I got Ray Rice with the 1.06. So, while it is true that people over value rookie picks, it isn't fair to say that only the top two or three are any good. And there are many questions surrounding Boldin and his long term value as the thread makes clear.

 

[JohnnyU]

The problem is that not only is he 29 but he is often injured.

psst....29 isn't old for a WR.

 

[Malabar]

The problem is that not only is he 29 but he is often injured.

psst....29 isn't old for a WR.

psst...Boldin isnt your normal 29 year old WR due to his injuries

 

[JohnnyU]

The problem is that not only is he 29 but he is often injured.

psst....29 isn't old for a WR.

psst...Boldin isnt your normal 29 year old WR due to his injuries

Last time I checked that blast to the face wasn't due to him being injury prone. s--t happens sometimes. He played in 14 games last year, 12 in the two years before that, and 16 games the year before that. Not exactly terrible.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

I've been trying to move Boldin for months. I am stacked at WR, but have terrible RBs in this particular league.

I offered the 1.5 and Boldin for the 1.1.

I've also offered Boldin for Benson straight up.

Also Boldin for Felix Jones straight up.

No takers.

I'd be all over that. Not necessarily the others though, as the same thing applies. The problem isn't where Boldin is ranked, but the value people place on rookie picks. Quick....name 10 players taken in the top 5 of their rookie drafts over the last 4 years who are currently higher ranked then Boldin? Of those twenty players...most of us couldn't name more then 3 or 4 who would rank ahead of him on most lists. EVen reviewing the drafts, I doubt more then half are even in the ballpark.

IE: ROOKIE PICKS ARE DRAMATICALLY OVER-RATED. The smart owner takes advantage of the guys who are in love with the fresh rookies.

a high first and WR3/4 type with upside. If it's just a pick...it's a 1.01 or 1.02 if I'm rebuilding, maybe.

I agree with every point you made. A smart owner would accept 1.5/Boldin for the 1.1.

 

[Cassius]

The problem is that not only is he 29 but he is often injured.

psst....29 isn't old for a WR.

psst...Boldin isnt your normal 29 year old WR due to his injuries

Boldin is not going to be one of these guys playing when he's 35.

 

[JohnnyU]

The problem is that not only is he 29 but he is often injured.

psst....29 isn't old for a WR.

psst...Boldin isnt your normal 29 year old WR due to his injuries

Boldin is not going to be one of these guys playing when he's 35.

I love your crystal ball. Again, last time I checked that blast to the face wasn't due to him being injury prone. s--t happens sometimes. He played in 14 games last year, 12 in the two years before that, and 16 games the year before that. Not exactly terrible.