What to do with #4 rookie pic? (1 Viewer)

[UCSBgerry]

Okay, so we know that AD, CJ and Lynch will be the first 3 rookie picks. Who do you guys chose at #4? I think Quinn and Jamarcus could be argued but the Raiders QB and the Cleveland/Miami/Minnesota QB is nothing to write home about.

With Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, I think rookie's are pretty much guaranteed to start or at least have a majority share in an RBBC.

Other good situations for RB's include Atlanta, Houston (aging veteran), Indy and New England.

I think I take whatever RB goes to Buffalo or Green Bay not named Lynch.

I'm not sure if there is a WR worthy of the #4 pick because there are about 6 WR's who could produce the same.

 

[-OZ-]

short answer:

Wait until AFTER the draft. Someone will become an obvious pick if you like picking situations. The talent after the top 3 is fairly equal among 6-9 players.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

 

[footballfreek]

short answer:Wait until AFTER the draft. Someone will become an obvious pick if you like picking situations. The talent after the top 3 is fairly equal among 6-9 players.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

 

[Christo]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

 

[Will]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

 

[cstu]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

I'd take Lynch in a bad situation over anyone in the draft at #3, assuming AP/CJ go 1/2. None of the remaining RB's impress me even in good situations and I wouldn't pass up a chance at a franchise back for any of the WR's. Something crazy would have to happen like Lynch being picked after another RB besides Peterson in the draft.

 

[Will]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

I agree, this is what I was trying to say above. Taking a 'less talented' back because he is in a better situation is a huge risk IMO

 

[massraider]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

This guy knows stuff.JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton say howdy.

 

[UCSBgerry]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

This guy knows stuff.JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton say howdy.

Back to the original question. What RB do you take after Peterson and Lynch??

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Russell or Quinn would be guys Id like in dynasty if they do indeed end up in Oakland and Cleveland. But Im keeping my eye on where Dwayne Jarrett goes. If he falls to the late 1st or early 2nd, that guy's gonna play with a chip on his shoulder the size of Texas, and will work as hard as any player drafted. He may have been a little lazy in college in spots because he was so used to being completely dominant all of the time. But he's humbled a little, and ends up with one of the better teams somewhere in the mid 20s, then Id be encouraged. Guys that catch double digit TDs for 3 straight seasons at schools like SC dont fall out of trees. If he locks up a starting spot or atleast makes the #3 on someone's chart, Id strongly consider him. Its all about attitude with these young wideouts.

 

[cstu]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

This guy knows stuff.JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton say howdy.

Back to the original question. What RB do you take after Peterson and Lynch??

With what I know right now, the one who is drafted at the 3rd RB. A bunch of the RB's are tough to differentiate so I'll go with the experts, assuming of course that the 3rd RB goes to a good spot.

 

[massraider]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

This guy knows stuff.JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton say howdy.

Back to the original question. What RB do you take after Peterson and Lynch??

Probably Antonio Pittman.If I had #4, I would NOT take a RB, but if we are just arguing which RB, I like Pittman, Leonard, Hunt, maybe Michael Bush. Yeah, after those two, I would go for best situation, but I wouldn't do it in the top 5.I would take the QB's first.

 

[coolnerd]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

The Rbs have more value, if they have enough talent to take advantage of a situation. Tony Hunt in clevaland is not better than Calvin Johnson anywhere in the NFL.

 

[cstu]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Sorry, but if someone passes on CJ because he's on the Raiders then he's a moron. No one liked Fitz' QB situation either and CJ is at least as good of a prospect as Fitz was.Like I said earlier, unless Lynch gets picked in the draft after another RB besides AP then he should go in the top 3. Taking Pittman, Irons, Booker and especially Hunt over Lynch because of their situation is a huge mistake.

 

[mozzy84]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Maybe your top three, I don't think Calvin to oakland will change alot of peoples thoughts on him imo.

 

[Buckna]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

This guy knows stuff.JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton say howdy.

Addai seems to have bucked this trend.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Maybe your top three, I don't think Calvin to oakland will change alot of peoples thoughts on him imo.

I'm just saying that the way people salivate over RB watch when a Pittman or Irons goes to Buffalo and Green Bay that they will jump ahead of CJ. I never said I'd do it. Just from my history of dynasty leagues that's the way it works.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Sorry, but if someone passes on CJ because he's on the Raiders then he's a moron. No one liked Fitz' QB situation either and CJ is at least as good of a prospect as Fitz was.Like I said earlier, unless Lynch gets picked in the draft after another RB besides AP then he should go in the top 3. Taking Pittman, Irons, Booker and especially Hunt over Lynch because of their situation is a huge mistake.

What if Lynch ends up in St Louis or Indianapolis, for example?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If you need a long term QB, sit tight and take Russell. If you don't, trade down in a deal with the person who wants the hot RB of the moment who lands in GB/BUF

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

The Rbs have more value, if they have enough talent to take advantage of a situation. Tony Hunt in clevaland is not better than Calvin Johnson anywhere in the NFL.

Okay? You just chose one of 5 RB that could go to 5 different teams? That's 25 combinations and you eliminated one of them. Are you saying you do rookie drafts based on talent? So you already have your rankings and nothing next weekend will change them?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

No the smart owner takes Steven Jackson, Larry Johnson, Brian Westbrook etc, because of the when and where. Gotta look at the situation they are going into and project how they will do 3 years from now, not just the year they are drafted. The best possible situation isnt always what it seems. We arent talking about the top most obvious picks, so you must look ahead and let the guy draft Lynch because he goes to the Packers and grab whatever rb a team like the Bills pick.

 

[cstu]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Sorry, but if someone passes on CJ because he's on the Raiders then he's a moron. No one liked Fitz' QB situation either and CJ is at least as good of a prospect as Fitz was.Like I said earlier, unless Lynch gets picked in the draft after another RB besides AP then he should go in the top 3. Taking Pittman, Irons, Booker and especially Hunt over Lynch because of their situation is a huge mistake.

What if Lynch ends up in St Louis or Indianapolis, for example?

I draft more on talent than situation so as long as Lynch go as the #2 RB then I'm fine with it. Him going to either of those situations wouldn't be great, but if they use a 1st him it means the team thinks he's a great player.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Sorry, but if someone passes on CJ because he's on the Raiders then he's a moron. No one liked Fitz' QB situation either and CJ is at least as good of a prospect as Fitz was.Like I said earlier, unless Lynch gets picked in the draft after another RB besides AP then he should go in the top 3. Taking Pittman, Irons, Booker and especially Hunt over Lynch because of their situation is a huge mistake.

What if Lynch ends up in St Louis or Indianapolis, for example?

I draft more on talent than situation so as long as Lynch go as the #2 RB then I'm fine with it. Him going to either of those situations wouldn't be great, but if they use a 1st him it means the team thinks he's a great player.

Lynch is no guarentee to be a 1st rounder. Probable but rumors are he has dropped on many draft boards.

 

[Kit Fisto]

If you need a long term QB, sit tight and take Russell. If you don't, trade down in a deal with the person who wants the hot RB of the moment who lands in GB/BUF

You stole my reply!Right now, the #4 is Russell or Quinn, depending on your tastes. Which is why I traded up, using that pick.

 

[coolnerd]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

The Rbs have more value, if they have enough talent to take advantage of a situation. Tony Hunt in clevaland is not better than Calvin Johnson anywhere in the NFL.

Okay? You just chose one of 5 RB that could go to 5 different teams? That's 25 combinations and you eliminated one of them. Are you saying you do rookie drafts based on talent? So you already have your rankings and nothing next weekend will change them?

Why do you assume that people make rankings w/o the consideration of possible landing spots??? With rare exception the top 3 or 4 skill players are going to land on flawed teams. Most of use undersetand this when we place those guys first. The reason that Peterson and Johnson are 1-2 is because they have the raw skill to overcome even bad situations and be productive players. Lynch is not to that level, but none of the other RBs are close is raw skill, so I would rather wait out a more talented player is a "bad" situation than hoping a mediocore player is successful in a good situation. IMO, situation is what should be used to determine the order of Pittman, Jackson or Irons i.e. players of similiar skill. When there is a clear separation in talent, yes my order is set and the situation won't change that.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Lynch is no guarentee to be a 1st rounder. Probable but rumors are he has dropped on many draft boards.

If you believe anything Pat Kirwan talks about then Lynch will not go in the first. He has talked about it on his Sirius show that he has been told that the Pack is not interested in him and if you check his mocks he hasnt had him in the first round for the past couple of weeks. It would be great if Lynch fell all the way to the Bills in the second.

 

[cstu]

Lynch is no guarentee to be a 1st rounder. Probable but rumors are he has dropped on many draft boards.

If you believe anything Pat Kirwan talks about then Lynch will not go in the first. He has talked about it on his Sirius show that he has been told that the Pack is not interested in him and if you check his mocks he hasnt had him in the first round for the past couple of weeks. It would be great if Lynch fell all the way to the Bills in the second.

Take it for what it's worth, but I don't believe there has ever been a draft without 2 RB's taken in the 1st round. Someone will trade up to get him if he slips too far.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Lynch is no guarentee to be a 1st rounder. Probable but rumors are he has dropped on many draft boards.

If you believe anything Pat Kirwan talks about then Lynch will not go in the first. He has talked about it on his Sirius show that he has been told that the Pack is not interested in him and if you check his mocks he hasnt had him in the first round for the past couple of weeks. It would be great if Lynch fell all the way to the Bills in the second.

Add to that the fact that Green Bay says Morency is their starter.

 

[zadok]

Lynch is no guarentee to be a 1st rounder. Probable but rumors are he has dropped on many draft boards.

If you believe anything Pat Kirwan talks about then Lynch will not go in the first. He has talked about it on his Sirius show that he has been told that the Pack is not interested in him and if you check his mocks he hasnt had him in the first round for the past couple of weeks. It would be great if Lynch fell all the way to the Bills in the second.

Add to that the fact that Green Bay says Morency is their starter.

Of course he is. Until they add someone else who is better.

 

[-OZ-]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Sorry, but if someone passes on CJ because he's on the Raiders then he's a moron. No one liked Fitz' QB situation either and CJ is at least as good of a prospect as Fitz was.Like I said earlier, unless Lynch gets picked in the draft after another RB besides AP then he should go in the top 3. Taking Pittman, Irons, Booker and especially Hunt over Lynch because of their situation is a huge mistake.

What if Lynch ends up in St Louis or Indianapolis, for example?

Then I'd be shocked. If he landed in Indy though, he's still #3. In St. Louis or San Diego, he'll drop on many boards. I don't have a #3 pick, so I won't have to decide, but there's never been a time where I dropped a player too far due to situation. Lynch is so far ahead of the #3 RB that I wouldn't drop him.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Lynch is no guarentee to be a 1st rounder. Probable but rumors are he has dropped on many draft boards.

If you believe anything Pat Kirwan talks about then Lynch will not go in the first. He has talked about it on his Sirius show that he has been told that the Pack is not interested in him and if you check his mocks he hasnt had him in the first round for the past couple of weeks. It would be great if Lynch fell all the way to the Bills in the second.

Add to that the fact that Green Bay says Morency is their starter.

Of course he is. Until they add someone else who is better.

But the question isn't whether or not Morency is the starter in GB next year; it's do they draft Lynch?Everything I'm hearing leads me to believe that Green Bay doesn't feel that taking an RB in the first round is their highest priority.

 

[ravnzfan]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.

Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...

Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Sorry, but if someone passes on CJ because he's on the Raiders then he's a moron. No one liked Fitz' QB situation either and CJ is at least as good of a prospect as Fitz was.Like I said earlier, unless Lynch gets picked in the draft after another RB besides AP then he should go in the top 3. Taking Pittman, Irons, Booker and especially Hunt over Lynch because of their situation is a huge mistake.

What if Lynch ends up in St Louis or Indianapolis, for example?

that's a huge leap---how Lynch would drop below GB @16 is beyond me---that said, I guess anything is possible...obviously, it is impossible to predict at this point what to do w/the 4...I'd say take whoever Buff takes in the 2nd (I doubt they go RB early, unless Peterson somehow falls into their lap)

after that, you really need to grade out where the next dozen players will call home for the next 5 yrs, and match that against your current roster---then decide...BPA, or need?

 

[Kit Fisto]

that's a huge leap---how Lynch would drop below GB @16 is beyond me---that said, I guess anything is possible...

NFL Network (Mayock) is reporting that Lynch is sinking like a stone due to concerns over his health (back issues) and character.Nobody saw Steven Jackson slipping to the Rams or LJ and McGahee lasting as long as they did either.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

that's a huge leap---how Lynch would drop below GB @16 is beyond me---that said, I guess anything is possible...

NFL Network (Mayock) is reporting that Lynch is sinking like a stone due to concerns over his health (back issues) and character.Nobody saw Steven Jackson slipping to the Rams or LJ and McGahee lasting as long as they did either.

Agreed. RBs regularly fall further than the fantasy community expects they will.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.

Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...

Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Sorry, but if someone passes on CJ because he's on the Raiders then he's a moron. No one liked Fitz' QB situation either and CJ is at least as good of a prospect as Fitz was.Like I said earlier, unless Lynch gets picked in the draft after another RB besides AP then he should go in the top 3. Taking Pittman, Irons, Booker and especially Hunt over Lynch because of their situation is a huge mistake.

What if Lynch ends up in St Louis or Indianapolis, for example?

that's a huge leap---how Lynch would drop below GB @16 is beyond me---that said, I guess anything is possible...obviously, it is impossible to predict at this point what to do w/the 4...I'd say take whoever Buff takes in the 2nd (I doubt they go RB early, unless Peterson somehow falls into their lap)

after that, you really need to grade out where the next dozen players will call home for the next 5 yrs, and match that against your current roster---then decide...BPA, or need?

I'd say there is at least a 50/50 shot Lynch gets beyond 16. Obviously none of us knows GB draft board but it only takes one guy they love to fall to their spot. The draft is crazy and unpredictable.

 

[-OZ-]

I'd say there is at least a 50/50 shot Lynch gets beyond 16. Obviously none of us knows GB draft board but it only takes one guy they love to fall to their spot. The draft is crazy and unpredictable.

yes it is, but if he gets passed up by Green Bay, I'd be surprised if Tennessee, NY Giants, and Chicago all pass on him.

 

[Ned]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

The Rbs have more value, if they have enough talent to take advantage of a situation. Tony Hunt in clevaland is not better than Calvin Johnson anywhere in the NFL.

Okay? You just chose one of 5 RB that could go to 5 different teams? That's 25 combinations and you eliminated one of them. Are you saying you do rookie drafts based on talent? So you already have your rankings and nothing next weekend will change them?

id say mine are 75% locked in. there's just too much risk taking a less talented player in a good situation over the more talented player.

 

[Ned]

that's a huge leap---how Lynch would drop below GB @16 is beyond me---that said, I guess anything is possible...

NFL Network (Mayock) is reporting that Lynch is sinking like a stone due to concerns over his health (back issues) and character.Nobody saw Steven Jackson slipping to the Rams or LJ and McGahee lasting as long as they did either.

mayock is one of the very few tv people i listen to when they speak.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

The Rbs have more value, if they have enough talent to take advantage of a situation. Tony Hunt in clevaland is not better than Calvin Johnson anywhere in the NFL.

Okay? You just chose one of 5 RB that could go to 5 different teams? That's 25 combinations and you eliminated one of them. Are you saying you do rookie drafts based on talent? So you already have your rankings and nothing next weekend will change them?

id say mine are 75% locked in. there's just too much risk taking a less talented player in a good situation over the more talented player.

Mine are probably 75% locked in. Changing 25% of your draft board based on situation is a lot. That's why I still think by next Monday those 3 guys will not be the consensus top 3 in every dynasty draft. Some other back will go to a great situation and jump in the mix.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I'd say there is at least a 50/50 shot Lynch gets beyond 16. Obviously none of us knows GB draft board but it only takes one guy they love to fall to their spot. The draft is crazy and unpredictable.

yes it is, but if he gets passed up by Green Bay, I'd be surprised if Tennessee, NY Giants, and Chicago all pass on him.

Lendale White was a sure 1st rounder last year too. As was Winston Justice. And no team would ever be foolish enough to draft Kevin Dyson over a talent like Randy Moss. Oh yeah, a team you referenced did that before. Players fall all the time for various reasons.Like I said, I won't be shocked if Lynch goes as high as 12. And won't be shocked if he's a 2nd rounder because of injury and character concerns.

 

[el centro]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

What scenario are you envisioning?The only way I can see the top 3 changing is if Lynch goes somewhere horrible.

Even if GB and/or Buffalo go with Irons, Pittman, Booker or Jackson etc., as long as Lynch goes anywhere with potential I can't see going with one of those other guys. And I see no possible scenario where AD and CJ are not in the top 3...

Just my opinion, I'd honestly like to hear what makes you so sure the top is shuffled...

C Johnson to Oakland with Walter, McCown, or a rookie like Stanton as his QB. Pittman, Lynch, Irons, Hunt, and Booker go to Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, Cleveland, and New York Giants. Johnson would not be consensus top 3 in that scenario. Any of those scenarios will change the so called top 3. It's a fact that RB have way more value than WR.

Maybe your top three, I don't think Calvin to oakland will change alot of peoples thoughts on him imo.

I'm just saying that the way people salivate over RB watch when a Pittman or Irons goes to Buffalo and Green Bay that they will jump ahead of CJ. I never said I'd do it. Just from my history of dynasty leagues that's the way it works.

I said this before in a previous thread, and I'll say it again here... I think the RB that is going to end up in a good situation, and will end up catipulting up the boards is B Leonard of Rutgers! In PPR leagues - he'll be an incredible value! He showed last year in the season & at the Combine - that he's quite versatile. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see New England snag him with their 2nd first, or GB take him in the 2nd-round. He's a great character guy, and a team-first player (exactly what Belichek loves!). I've been reading he's a great one-cut RB, so he could be a perfect fit for some of those teams that are already in that system or end up switching to it: GBP, HOU, DEN, OAK. I just read in TSN yesterday that New England may tinker with this system to fit Maroney's running style.

 

[ffchamp1]

Okay, so we know that AD, CJ and Lynch will be the first 3 rookie picks. Who do you guys chose at #4? I think Quinn and Jamarcus could be argued but the Raiders QB and the Cleveland/Miami/Minnesota QB is nothing to write home about. With Buffalo, Green Bay, Tennessee, I think rookie's are pretty much guaranteed to start or at least have a majority share in an RBBC. Other good situations for RB's include Atlanta, Houston (aging veteran), Indy and New England. I think I take whatever RB goes to Buffalo or Green Bay not named Lynch. I'm not sure if there is a WR worthy of the #4 pick because there are about 6 WR's who could produce the same.

Willis in BUFF would be my #4 if the top 3 went to good places.Tom

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I bet those are not the consensus top 3 picks in 12 days.

Agreed, I think Lynch is the one that is going to fall in the NFL draft. That being said I would take the RB that lands in the best possible situation. IMO where & when can be more important then the "who".

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

This guy knows stuff.JJ Arrington and Eric Shelton say howdy.

Addai seems to have bucked this trend.

I have heard this a lot. I think it is way off base. Addai was a first round pick for a team has a phenomenal track record of identifying first round talent and was taken within a few spots of Marnoey and Williams.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

that's a huge leap---how Lynch would drop below GB @16 is beyond me---that said, I guess anything is possible...

NFL Network (Mayock) is reporting that Lynch is sinking like a stone due to concerns over his health (back issues) and character.Nobody saw Steven Jackson slipping to the Rams or LJ and McGahee lasting as long as they did either.

Who thought Willis was going to go significantly higher after that knee injury?

 

[zadok]

that's a huge leap---how Lynch would drop below GB @16 is beyond me---that said, I guess anything is possible...

NFL Network (Mayock) is reporting that Lynch is sinking like a stone due to concerns over his health (back issues) and character.Nobody saw Steven Jackson slipping to the Rams or LJ and McGahee lasting as long as they did either.

Who thought Willis was going to go significantly higher after that knee injury?

Nobody that I can remember. I was shocked to see him go in the 1st at all.

 

[zadok]

Lynch is no guarentee to be a 1st rounder. Probable but rumors are he has dropped on many draft boards.

If you believe anything Pat Kirwan talks about then Lynch will not go in the first. He has talked about it on his Sirius show that he has been told that the Pack is not interested in him and if you check his mocks he hasnt had him in the first round for the past couple of weeks. It would be great if Lynch fell all the way to the Bills in the second.

Add to that the fact that Green Bay says Morency is their starter.

Of course he is. Until they add someone else who is better.

But the question isn't whether or not Morency is the starter in GB next year; it's do they draft Lynch?Everything I'm hearing leads me to believe that Green Bay doesn't feel that taking an RB in the first round is their highest priority.

So? A RB in the 2nd or 3rd would still likely be much better than Morency. Lynch or not.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Woe to those who follow this path. Just as an example, ask those who took JJ Arrington over Benson or Julius Jones over Steven Jackson what they're thinking now.

Thats the problem w/ doing your FF draft before the pre-season games... I watched one of his pre-season game during his rookie yr and knew he was a bust. He looked awful / O-Line looked awful / QB looked awful.But thats the world of fantasy.. you could draft a JJ Arington w/ 16.04 and a Jones-Drew w/ 16.13.