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What to make of Mike Sims-Walker (2 Viewers)

SaintsInDome2006

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>When Thursday games arrive, the NFL asks the teams to participate in a bizarre injury report ritual. They are obligated to file a report on Monday even though they don’t practice the day after the game.

So the team estimates what players would have done had the team practiced. The Jaguars said ... Mike Sims-Walker (calf) wouldn’t have practiced.<

Maybe he has one more day to actually show up for a real unimagined practice, but hey, who would start him after that disappearing act Sunday?

He would have to get ready by THU for the game vs the Colts.

He's at NE in Week 16, championship week, and how great of a matchup is that anyway?

And Del Rio's playing games with the inury report, so there's that.

Well, MSW had to have been one of the best pickups of the year.

He showed lot of talent and it would be great to think what this guy would do with really good passing offense.

But here I am getting ready to cut him in crunch time.

Anyone else???

Last 3 weeks: 3/46, 1/12, 1/6.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id...-they-practiced

 
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This blows - having him in the early game forces the hand. With Revis on White, I have to pick my poison.

I don't have the passing matchup numbers off hand, but I imagine they are not great. Couple that with his injury, and recent lack of production, I think he's a suspect play.

 
Here's an example of how passing yardage allowed is deceptive. The Colts are only 20th in yardage allowed, but 5th in the NFL in yards/attempt allowed (6.3) and 10th in QB rating against (78.1). The yardage is more a result of teams being behind, and having no choice but to pass. Jax has matched up with the Colts pretty good recently. He's listed as questionable, which is a tough call. I ignore "probable" because those injuries are meaningless. Questionable can go either way; kind of depends on how accurate and forthcoming the team is in listing their injuries. Some are not very forthright at all.

 
JJP said:
Here's an example of how passing yardage allowed is deceptive. The Colts are only 20th in yardage allowed, but 5th in the NFL in yards/attempt allowed (6.3) and 10th in QB rating against (78.1). The yardage is more a result of teams being behind, and having no choice but to pass. Jax has matched up with the Colts pretty good recently. He's listed as questionable, which is a tough call. I ignore "probable" because those injuries are meaningless. Questionable can go either way; kind of depends on how accurate and forthcoming the team is in listing their injuries. Some are not very forthright at all.
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I agree about the Colts' defense being a favorable matchup against the pass. However, I don't see how Sims-Walker can be started in any league this week. Even if he practiced fully and wasn't listed on the injury report, the guy has been a bum in terms of production for three games in a row. That's way too much risk for my blood. I think I'm going to hold off on cutting him in my league (I just can't bring myself to do it given how good he was for awhile) but there's no way I'm starting him. I don't have any faith in him right now and I have even less in Garrard.ETA - I think based on last week we can safely say the Jags are not very forthright with their injury listings. No way Sims-Walker should have been listed as doubtful given how he played and played the entire game. He should have been listed as questionable.
 
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From FFToolbox:

Jacksonville Jaguars wide receiver Mike Sims-Walker practiced fully on Tuesday and expects to play Thursday night against the Indianapolis Colts. Sims-Walker didn't practice Monday and was doubtful to play this past week due to a strained calf, but he played anyway and caught just one pass for six yards.

Fantasy Analysis:

Walker has burned his fantasy owners in the past couple weeks with consecutive one-catch efforts. Last week, he probably shouldn't have played, but he played obviously hurt. Now, there are probably a lot of fantasy owners who aren't trusting him for this Thursday's game, but I think Sims-Walker is a mighty fine play if he is healthy -- and it sounds pretty positive so far. The Colts' pass defense is pretty bad right now, to put it lightly. We all saw what Brandon Marshall did to them on Sunday -- 21 catches, 200 yards, two touchdowns. But even before this game, the Colts had been horrible against the pass for the past five weeks. So quarterback David Garrard may even be a guy you could consider using this week. Plus, with Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis probably out, Garrard should have plenty of time to find Sims-Walker. I think Sims-Walker is a top-15 fantasy wide receiver in week 15.

Source:

jacksonvillejaguars.com

 
Man....I am also not trying to get sucked in, but this sounds too good right now. Indy Pass D week (21 catches to Marshall from ORTON) no pass rush w/o Mathis and Freeney and a Primetime Game with a full practice Tuesday and possibly today. Need to decide between him and Bowe.

 
jcaleo said:
Man....I am also not trying to get sucked in, but this sounds too good right now. Indy Pass D week (21 catches to Marshall from ORTON) no pass rush w/o Mathis and Freeney and a Primetime Game with a full practice Tuesday and possibly today. Need to decide between him and Bowe.
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Couple things:1. Today's practice will likely be a light, walkthrough. So if Sims-Walker practices it doesn't necessarily mean much. However, the fact he practiced in full yesterday was definitely worth noting. It's certainly the thing that has me reconsidering whether to start Sims-Walker or not. I didn't expect to see that and now I feel myself being dragged into this mess again. 2. Sims-Walker isn't as good as Marshall and I don't think Garrard is as good as Orton (how sorry is that?) so what happened last week may not have much relevance when evaluating the Jags' passing game potential.3. On the plus side, the Colts have issues in the secondary and if Mathis and Freeney are limited that certainly should (emphasis on the word "should") put Jacksonville in a stronger position to make plays in the passing game.The scary thing about this is I don't see any middle ground with Sims-Walker at this point. Based on his season, he's going to either be real good or downright pathetic. If he started and put up 4-55 or something at least you wouldn't want to smack your head through a wall for starting him. But it's these 1 and 2 catch disasters which have made him such an incredibly high risk proposition. And at this time of the season, how smart is it to start someone whose last productive game came a month ago?This really does suck. I honestly don't know what to do with the guy. We're talking about someone who was a WR1 for a good portion of the season. Was that all a fluke? I'm stumped with him.
 
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packersfan said:
jcaleo said:
Man....I am also not trying to get sucked in, but this sounds too good right now. Indy Pass D week (21 catches to Marshall from ORTON) no pass rush w/o Mathis and Freeney and a Primetime Game with a full practice Tuesday and possibly today. Need to decide between him and Bowe.
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Couple things:1. Today's practice will likely be a light, walkthrough. So if Sims-Walker practices it doesn't necessarily mean much. However, the fact he practiced in full yesterday was definitely worth noting. It's certainly the thing that has me reconsidering whether to start Sims-Walker or not. I didn't expect to see that and now I feel myself being dragged into this mess again. 2. Sims-Walker isn't as good as Marshall and I don't think Garrard is as good as Orton (how sorry is that?) so what happened last week may not have much relevance when evaluating the Jags' passing game potential.3. On the plus side, the Colts have issues in the secondary and if Mathis and Freeney are limited that certainly should (emphasis on the word "should") put Jacksonville in a stronger position to make plays in the passing game.The scary thing about this is I don't see any middle ground with Sims-Walker at this point. Based on his season, he's going to either be real good or downright pathetic. If he started and put up 4-55 or something at least you wouldn't want to smack your head through a wall for starting him. But it's these 1 and 2 catch disasters which have made him such an incredibly high risk proposition. And at this time of the season, how smart is it to start someone whose last productive game came a month ago?This really does suck. I honestly don't know what to do with the guy. We're talking about someone who was a WR1 for a good portion of the season. Was that all a fluke? I'm stumped with him.
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Great Points! Would you roll w/ him or post suspension Bowe?
 
Can't hold back now. I WILL NOT sit on my coach and watch him drop 110 and a TD on Thursday night.

I'd rather be mad he had another bad game than be mad I should have started him. It hurts way worse to watch a guy go off and you sat him.

 
jcaleo said:
packersfan said:
jcaleo said:
Man....I am also not trying to get sucked in, but this sounds too good right now. Indy Pass D week (21 catches to Marshall from ORTON) no pass rush w/o Mathis and Freeney and a Primetime Game with a full practice Tuesday and possibly today. Need to decide between him and Bowe.
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Couple things:1. Today's practice will likely be a light, walkthrough. So if Sims-Walker practices it doesn't necessarily mean much. However, the fact he practiced in full yesterday was definitely worth noting. It's certainly the thing that has me reconsidering whether to start Sims-Walker or not. I didn't expect to see that and now I feel myself being dragged into this mess again. 2. Sims-Walker isn't as good as Marshall and I don't think Garrard is as good as Orton (how sorry is that?) so what happened last week may not have much relevance when evaluating the Jags' passing game potential.3. On the plus side, the Colts have issues in the secondary and if Mathis and Freeney are limited that certainly should (emphasis on the word "should") put Jacksonville in a stronger position to make plays in the passing game.The scary thing about this is I don't see any middle ground with Sims-Walker at this point. Based on his season, he's going to either be real good or downright pathetic. If he started and put up 4-55 or something at least you wouldn't want to smack your head through a wall for starting him. But it's these 1 and 2 catch disasters which have made him such an incredibly high risk proposition. And at this time of the season, how smart is it to start someone whose last productive game came a month ago?This really does suck. I honestly don't know what to do with the guy. We're talking about someone who was a WR1 for a good portion of the season. Was that all a fluke? I'm stumped with him.
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Great Points! Would you roll w/ him or post suspension Bowe?
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I honestly do not know. My gut says Bowe. The problem is that decision needs to be made tomorrow and I'd like to get a full week of practice reports about Bowe before committing to him.Like I said before, I'm dumbfounded when it comes to Sims-Walker right now. I honestly do not have a clue what to do with the guy. I hate to bench a guy who's been a WR1 most of the season but I sure as hell don't want to start a guy who has been a WR7 the past three games.
 
For me, it's either MSW or Davone Bess...and I haven't heard anything about Bess' health so far this week. I may be waiting until the last second and then rolling with MSW tomorrow night.

Anyone heard anything on Bess? He wasn't even mentioned on players in the news.

 
for me it's MSW vs. forsett (vs. TBB) or snelling...since these other guys are sharing carries, i'm now leaning towards to MSW but really want to play forsett...i think i'll kill myself if he goes off thursday night and i'm kicking myself for benching him

 
Jags beat the Colts this week..lol

I'm torn on MSW for this week, I agree he is NO Marshall but also agree with the state of the Indy's pass defense he may be a good play...I'm in a crap situation as well. It's Fitz or MSW for me..no other option.

 
Had written him off, really wishing I hadn't opened this thread. :goodposting:

My alternatives are not great, had settled on rolling with Cribbs, unsure now.

 
This decision is worth a lot of money for me. Well the way I look at it is MSW got me here, he has not been at full speed the last 3 weeks. He did not aggravate the injury Sunday giving him confidence coming into a MUST WIN thursday night, and he also practiced in full for the first time in I can't even rememeber.

From what I read it is going to be the largest Crowd of the Year at JAX and a Nationally Televised Game (Well NFL Network). The last 3 weeks Indy has given up at least 250 yds and 2 TD's through the air even to Vince Young, including Orton going off ast week of over 300 and 21 catches for Marshall. Word is they are going to rest some question marks this week.

For me, the decision will be made once I hear if Freeney and Mathis are out. If they are MSW gets the nod. They will have all day to throw.

 
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
Your Mom said:
packersfan said:
I'm trying so hard not to get suckered into this again.
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Me too. I got good options, but I rode him all season long and want to stay with him. I don't think I can do it, but I am sure I will talk myself into it.
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would ya start him over Hightower (with Fitz maybe being limited) at flex (PPR)?
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I don't know. Depends if you think you need a safe play or a home run. I am debating Benson or MSW. I am 98% sure i am going with Benson, but I could change my mind.
 
Oh Yes! said:
currently sitting him for TO and Cribbs vs KC
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Its a tough call. I am debating between MSW, Jacobs and RWhite. Don't need to hit a homerun but it sure would be nice to start the week off great.Some very good points so far. Others to consider is that Jacksonville needs this game bad and will probably play as well as they can and they are at home.
 
Vipers said:
Oh Yes! said:
currently sitting him for TO and Cribbs vs KC
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Its a tough call. I am debating between MSW, Jacobs and RWhite. Don't need to hit a homerun but it sure would be nice to start the week off great.Some very good points so far. Others to consider is that Jacksonville needs this game bad and will probably play as well as they can and they are at home.
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Not trying to be argumentative :popcorn: but they needed last Sunday's game pretty badly too and they were at home.
 
Deciding between MSW and Bowe or Harrison. Leaning towards Bowe, because even if he doesn't start there's always a good chance he'll get a RZ target. Still, it's hard to imagine Bowe playing an entire game since he hasn't played or practiced in a month. Limited snaps make me wary. Harrison would have been my default choice if not for Jennings. MSW's the best chance for the most snaps and opportunity, but...

 
Hurl Bruce said:
For me, it's either MSW or Davone Bess...and I haven't heard anything about Bess' health so far this week. I may be waiting until the last second and then rolling with MSW tomorrow night.Anyone heard anything on Bess? He wasn't even mentioned on players in the news.
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Bess? I made that mistake last week subbing him in for Bowe. Camarillo went off. I have no idea how anyone figures that situation either, that seems just as bad.
 
Just did an informal survey of the responses here.

It's a hash. 2 for MSW, at least 3 undecided, 2-3 favoring Bowe, maybe starting Forsett, maybe Cribbs, maybe Benson, maybe Jacobs over MSW.

I picked up Bryant @ Seattle and currently have him starting. Passed on Bowe, I don't think that CLE matchup is as good as some people are thinking.

As someone stated above i don't need a home run, I just want to get some decent production.

But no one out there has the upside of MSW for this week. Or the downside.

There are probably 10 good candidates for WR3 on the WW or on benches right now, I just can't figure out who's a good shot this week.

And not many people are discussing Garrard and his poor play. But then Orton just torched the Colts. Orton. 29/41, for 277 maybe is not torching but that has to be one of his better games as a pro.

I still have Bryant starting.

Waiting to see what happens with Mathis/Freeney.

And still clueless on whether to start MSW.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Just did an informal survey of the responses here.It's a hash. 2 for MSW, at least 3 undecided, 2-3 favoring Bowe, maybe starting Forsett, maybe Cribbs, maybe Benson, maybe Jacobs over MSW.I picked up Bryant @ Seattle and currently have him starting. Passed on Bowe, I don't think that CLE matchup is as good as some people are thinking.As someone stated above i don't need a home run, I just want to get some decent production.But no one out there has the upside of MSW for this week. Or the downside.There are probably 10 good candidates for WR3 on the WW or on benches right now, I just can't figure out who's a good shot this week.And not many people are discussing Garrard and his poor play. But then Orton just torched the Colts. Orton. 29/41, for 277 maybe is not torching but that has to be one of his better games as a pro.I still have Bryant starting.Waiting to see what happens with Mathis/Freeney.And still clueless on whether to start MSW.
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Good stuff. I do think we know his upside and downside. What we don't know is which one we're going to see tomorrow night. Like I posted before, there hasn't been much middle ground with MSW this season. He's either been really really good or really really bad. If he had more middle-of-the-road games as opposed to dogs I'd be more inclined to start him. But it's the drastic difference in potential production which has me clueless about him too for this week.
 
Sims-Walker is listed as probable for tomorrow night.

Guy goes from being doubtful and not being able to run well according to reports on Saturday to being probable four days later. Go figure.

 
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Sims-Walker is listed as probable for tomorrow night.Guy goes from being doubtful and not being able to run well according to reports on Saturday to being probable four days later. Go figure.
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I think I am biting the bullet and starting him. They will be throwing all day long, and hopefully Freeney and Mathis who are both listed as questionable will not go....
 
jcaleo said:
packersfan said:
Sims-Walker is listed as probable for tomorrow night.Guy goes from being doubtful and not being able to run well according to reports on Saturday to being probable four days later. Go figure.
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I think I am biting the bullet and starting him. They will be throwing all day long, and hopefully Freeney and Mathis who are both listed as questionable will not go....
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If Freeney and Mathis are both out I'm definitely starting him. If they both are active then it'll be decision time.
 
I'm still trying to figure out what's the biggest cause of his fall:

1) his injury/injuries.

2) double-teaming, defenses desgined to stop him now.

3) garrard, lack of time for the OL.

his targets are still very good. but he's catching such a low percentage of them that its just awful. apparently, he almost had a TD last week.

i have him and MJD and would hate to play both and have the Colts hold the Jags to 10 points, which is very possible.

 
bweiser said:
I'm still trying to figure out what's the biggest cause of his fall:1) his injury/injuries.2) double-teaming, defenses desgined to stop him now.3) garrard, lack of time for the OL.his targets are still very good. but he's catching such a low percentage of them that its just awful. apparently, he almost had a TD last week. i have him and MJD and would hate to play both and have the Colts hold the Jags to 10 points, which is very possible.
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I lay a lot of blame on Garrard, who seems to have lost any sort of accuracy on the medium/out passes that MSW was doing well with earlier. Seems like Garrard sails a couple every game.
 
bweiser said:
I'm still trying to figure out what's the biggest cause of his fall:1) his injury/injuries.2) double-teaming, defenses desgined to stop him now.3) garrard, lack of time for the OL.his targets are still very good. but he's catching such a low percentage of them that its just awful. apparently, he almost had a TD last week. i have him and MJD and would hate to play both and have the Colts hold the Jags to 10 points, which is very possible.
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wondering the same stuff, haven't watched his games.since we're doing this in this thread, This week is the championshiop in this one league witha decent purse difference between 1st and 2ndI'm up against a better team so I'm thinking of rolling the dice with this fool, instead of Housh. Yes, Housh. he's due. :thumbup: THat was easy. msw
 
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