Ministry of Pain
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What are you most interested in? Are there topics you feel do not get enough mention in the Shark Pool?
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What topics interest you the most for the 2010 off season? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
I had been resigned to an offseason where football meant nothing, even the draft which I figured the Seahawks would screw up with Moron Jr in charge. Then BAM everything changed. So I'll be very interested in moves that Carroll makes with free agents and the draft. Uncapped year? No problem Paul Allen is loaded and possibly seeing his mortality smack in front of his face especially since he decided to take the monetary hit by letting Moron go. Not going to do that just to be stingy in acquiring players. New coaches and personnel men means I will follow/care more about the Seahawks' offseason much, much more than I would've otherwise.
snogger
Footballguy
Getting a CBA or not changes how Free agency works and who is available..
goldfinger
Footballguy
I think not only the CBA, but what the uncapped year will mean for teams. Without a salary floor, will a low revenue team like Buffalo, or a team like Tampa Bay with a lot of debt dump salaries to save costs?
Clinton
Footballguy
I'd like to discuss how the enforcement of passing defense rules and the protecting of QBs has so skewed passing, that the game is completely changed and the benchmarks for what constitutes passing and receiving greatness must all be reassessed. Mainly, though, I'd like to discuss how it's made the game sucky.
DenverBroncos
Footballguy
Why is everyone all over Kolb's nutz? What has he done for everyone to really think he should get the keys to McNabb's thrown?
No Way Jose
Footballguy
I think with the NFL becoming a pass happy league, and the trend of teams going to RBCC, is it time to start seriously looking at drafting your QB in the first 2 rounds?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hey Cool,Thanks for that feedback. I try and start threads in the SP that I think will provoke discussion. I like the division by division breakdown for this simple reason. You and I both play dyansty and we tend to look at players in a 2-3 year span I would assume not just the next one in 2010. Over 3 seasons a player will start 18 games against their division opponents...that's almost a season and a half of FF games. You need to keep up with what your players are doing and how the division is shaping up.Example is the NFC West where almost any team that gets their act together can take over that division. Sure AZ has been good but their regular season record over the past 2 years is only 19-13, its good but not dominant. Versus the NFC East where teams are gettign better by the minute. That division is tough and the level of play is high. The AZ Cards the last 2 years have had to face the awesome pass defenses of St Louis, Seattle, and San Fran...not exactly world beaters and then you toss in a pass happy offense and studs like Warner, Fitz, and Boldin...its not hard to connect the dots there. Thanks for the feedback, look forward to your posts this off season.
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Hi MoP,
As always, I love how you take the lead here.
Here are a couple of thoughts to consider…I’m not exactly sure how to make them “thread-worthy”, but there you go.
Background: I think two critical decisions in redraft leagues are:
1) Who you select in rounds 5-10, and
2) When you select your QB, and who.
Subject 1: One assumption I’ve made is that with all the coverage of the star players, almost anyone is going to get pretty serviceable players with their first four picks…yeah, you can screw it up, but generally speaking, most people playing fantasy football are going to end up with four pretty good players with their first four selections.
So for me that means finding the diamonds out of players who have an ADP of say 60 to 120. Not sure how to break it down better than that, so suffice it to say that if you were smart enough to draft these guys, with their approximate ADP listed, you will have had a wonderfully fun FF season!
Dallas Clark (ADP 67 – 6.07) or DeSean Jackson (ADP 80 -7.08) in the 5th,
Matt Schaub (ADP 69 – 6.09) in the 6th,
Ray Rice (ADP 128 – 11.08) in the 7th,
Derrick Mason (ADP 105 – 9.09) in the 8th,
Donald Driver (ADP 96 – 8.12) or Roethlesberger (ADP 100 – 9.04) in the 9th,
So the trick is how to identify those guys.
Subject 2: You may already have this covered in one of your other topics entitled “QBs 2009- A look back, Stats themselves don't tell the real story always”. You concluded that original post by asking “Do you feel QB is a position you have to lend some serious credence to in the 1st 2-3 rounds? If so, why? If not, why not? I really appreciate your feedback and don’t be afraid to ask questions.”
So I guess I’m agreeing that this is a very important topic. If you are giving up dozens of points each week to the owners with the stud QBs, you may not have enough gas in the tank with your other players to win on a consistent basis each week. So the critical question you have asked is "do you take the best available QB in rounds 2-3, do you wait until rounds 4-5, or do you roll with the best you can get in rounds 6-9? With so many QBs putting up wowser numbers this last year, it is tempting to wait, but there is considerable risk if you do.
Thanks for asking for ideas.
As always, I love how you take the lead here.
Here are a couple of thoughts to consider…I’m not exactly sure how to make them “thread-worthy”, but there you go.
Background: I think two critical decisions in redraft leagues are:
1) Who you select in rounds 5-10, and
2) When you select your QB, and who.
Subject 1: One assumption I’ve made is that with all the coverage of the star players, almost anyone is going to get pretty serviceable players with their first four picks…yeah, you can screw it up, but generally speaking, most people playing fantasy football are going to end up with four pretty good players with their first four selections.
So for me that means finding the diamonds out of players who have an ADP of say 60 to 120. Not sure how to break it down better than that, so suffice it to say that if you were smart enough to draft these guys, with their approximate ADP listed, you will have had a wonderfully fun FF season!
Dallas Clark (ADP 67 – 6.07) or DeSean Jackson (ADP 80 -7.08) in the 5th,
Matt Schaub (ADP 69 – 6.09) in the 6th,
Ray Rice (ADP 128 – 11.08) in the 7th,
Derrick Mason (ADP 105 – 9.09) in the 8th,
Donald Driver (ADP 96 – 8.12) or Roethlesberger (ADP 100 – 9.04) in the 9th,
So the trick is how to identify those guys.
Subject 2: You may already have this covered in one of your other topics entitled “QBs 2009- A look back, Stats themselves don't tell the real story always”. You concluded that original post by asking “Do you feel QB is a position you have to lend some serious credence to in the 1st 2-3 rounds? If so, why? If not, why not? I really appreciate your feedback and don’t be afraid to ask questions.”
So I guess I’m agreeing that this is a very important topic. If you are giving up dozens of points each week to the owners with the stud QBs, you may not have enough gas in the tank with your other players to win on a consistent basis each week. So the critical question you have asked is "do you take the best available QB in rounds 2-3, do you wait until rounds 4-5, or do you roll with the best you can get in rounds 6-9? With so many QBs putting up wowser numbers this last year, it is tempting to wait, but there is considerable risk if you do.
Thanks for asking for ideas.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
See how the McNabb/Kolb/Vick thing shakes out
Favre returns? If not impact on Harvin/S.Rice
Houston RB
Dez Braynts landing spot
Does SF make a QB move? Crabby/VD/Gore - thats an incredible foundation
Favre returns? If not impact on Harvin/S.Rice
Houston RB
Dez Braynts landing spot
Does SF make a QB move? Crabby/VD/Gore - thats an incredible foundation
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I like your post but by the time real drafts rolled around in August last year ray rice was gone by the 4th round almost every time.
Thanks for the note…and I agree that Rice sure got a lot of ink in August and early September. Funny though, the examples I chose up there were actual results from one of my drafts in early September. I was one of the guys that had a few other players ranked a little higher than Rice, even then. That’s probably one of the reasons why I suggested that some additional discussion of “middle round” drafting is so important. Apparently I need to listen better to the experts, or act a little quicker when indications are that someone like Rice is the real deal. I really whiffed on Rice.
PitbullTD
Footballguy
I'm most interested in the CBA issues and how it will affect both NFL and FF. As well as the Philly QB Situation. Also would like to hear more about 2009 rookies other than the guys who had immediate impact because I only play dynasty and theres some good guys stuck behind vets, rooks who didnt contribute due to injury etc...their outlooks for the future
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
From a dynasty perspective I am very interested to see if Carolina moves DeAngelo in the offseason. I know alot of people will say they won't and that's fine . However, if SD or Houston come knocking with a high pick and they know he's gone next year with no compensation they might have to reconsider.
If the rumor that SD was offering Crommartie for T. Choice has any legs at all, think what they would give up for DeAngelo?????
Houston and SD are both teams that are a talent like Williams away from going to the superbowl.
It will be interesting to see if they can pull the trigger
(Dynasty owner of Williams and Stewart begging for this to happen)
If the rumor that SD was offering Crommartie for T. Choice has any legs at all, think what they would give up for DeAngelo?????
Houston and SD are both teams that are a talent like Williams away from going to the superbowl.
It will be interesting to see if they can pull the trigger
(Dynasty owner of Williams and Stewart begging for this to happen)
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Isn't this backwards? If there are 10-12 great QBs . . . wouldn't you want to wait to take one? If there are only 1-3 elite QBs, wouldn't that be the time to grab one early? Similarly, if there are only a few full time RBs, wouldn't it stand to reason that they are rarer commodities and should be drafted earlier?
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
David, if you get a chance and maybe you already did but the QB thread I flipped out a week or so ago brought to light the stark differences even amonst the top6 QBs week to week. Peyton Manning is a top5 QB yet he rarely wins games on his own. And him being a bit above average week to week is fine but the odds were you were going to Rodgers, Brees, Favre, Schaub, maybe more than once. I have an old 10 team league I have been in for 15 years and I see stud QBs almost every week so the years I have rolled with Elvis Grbac or whatever was there in th emiddle rounds I have gotten creamed with or had to really fight, scratch, and claw my way to the playoffs. All leagues, teams, and owners are different though.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If we look at this year as the new trend, someone like Brady was drafted very high and he had his second highest scoring fantasy season (by a fair amount). Yet he finished as the #8 QB (with slight variation due to league scoring). That tells me that there were a lot of guys that were drafted later that did very well.Part of my concern for drafting a QB so high is that in most years several of them get hurt. This year was mostly a healthy year all around for the upper crust of QBs. Perhaps the new two handed touch rules for QB had something to do with that, who knows.But if we are reaching a point where there are very few 3 down backs and many teams going with a split RB workload and away from a featured back, I would still rather have a guy projected to touch the ball 320 times and take a decent QB several rounds later than a guy in the pack of good QBs and a part time RB.And I am not one that doesn't consider all the options, so I am not opposed to taking a QB early if there is/are a guy or two that are head and shoulders above the rest. There were 9 guys that scored 340 points at QB this year. In 2005 there were none.It all boils down to how confident each individual feels in his/her projections and drafting abilities. I would guess that more QB will go down with injuries next year, as there were a ton of heavy hitting, big scoring QBs this past year. I've won leagues with Peyton at QB . . . except I took him in the 4th round instead of the late first or early second.This past year, I targeted Matt Schaub in most of my leagues as a cheaper guy to own and that worked out. I normally take two guys from the not quite elite bucket and usually one of them will work out and for the most part have ended up with 1 or 2 great guys at QB without having to use that early pick to get similar or better production.I have posted on knowing your strength and weaknesses before, and over the years I have found that I can get away with the second to third tier QB strategy will great success. I have not fared as well finding later WR talent that were really productive, so for me I need to work on getting WR earlier instead of later in the draft. I'm also usually decent at getting decent RBs including upside guys in mid to late rounds but am not great at getting good TE production. But I know this going in and can draft based on my own strengths and weaknesses. So for me personally, taking a QB early probably goes against my better drafting skills. But as we all know, every draft is different and if that looked like the best path to follow I would certainly consider it.
