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What will transpire if they go to an uncapped year... (1 Viewer)

Billy Costigan Jr

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NFL hopes to curb wild spending by teams in uncapped 2010 season

By Don Banks

One byproduct of the looming labor showdown facing the NFL in the likely uncapped season of 2010 is the very real possibility that team general managers and contract negotiators will feel "a real sense of pressure coming down from the league on high'' to not have it result in a bonanza for next spring's free-agency class, a veteran club official told SI.com this week.

The veteran club official said he senses a growing league-wide mentality to encourage clubs to tread carefully in the uncapped year, with the clear understanding that profligate spending in free agency would only serve to work against the portrayal of the new and harsher financial realities the NFL hopes to convey to players union leadership during the pitched battle that will be the coming CBA negotiations.

"Something I've caught wind of lately is a real sense of pressure coming down from the league on high for teams not to go crazy next year, not only in the draft but in free agency,'' the veteran club official said. "To not be self-interested only, but to think about the league and the good of the league in an uncapped year. Don't go on a spending spree that won't help the league.

"I know for a fact that's been communicated to the teams, to try and keep things in line and not have a catastrophe for the league salary-wise.''

Does that add up to the potential for the players union to accuse the league's teams of collusion next year? For now, that judgment is probably in the eye of the beholder. While several NFL front office executives interviewed by SI.com acknowledge that a message of caution has been conveyed to teams in these uncertain financial times, none say they have been specifically instructed by the league to curb their spending next year. The league's general theme is to encourage teams to not let their salary rolls get out of control in an uncapped year, team officials said.

Another longtime club executive points out that there are "built-in governors'' in the 2010 uncapped season that will serve to limit the amount of money some teams can spend next year. For instance, the final eight playoff teams from 2009 will not be able to sign premium unrestricted free agents next spring unless they lose one of corresponding value. Also, with the trigger for unrestricted free agency being pushed from four to six years of league service in the uncapped year, it removes about 200 of the best potential free agents from the market place. Not surprisingly, next year's projected free-agent crop is considered one of the weakest in years.

"In the CBA, the system was actually set up to prevent a wide-scale spending spree in the uncapped year,'' one veteran club executive said. "It was done on purpose to get both sides back to the table and motivated to reach a new agreement.''

Whether it's an implied message or a direct message from the NFL to its 32 clubs, the tone within the league, club executives say, is to be cautious in terms of spending, given the amount of uncertainty that surrounds 2010 and the potential of a league work stoppage in 2011 -- which would be the NFL's most pressing labor crisis since 1987.

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with owners like Jones, Synder, and Davis, the league has no hope of keeping salaries under control. i just hope the NFL doesnt turn into baseball with a team trying to buy the championship every season. its the main reason i stopped watching baseball.

 
More from Don Banks on the possible effect on the draft.

By most projections, the NFL's 2010 draft class figures to be one of the most talented in years, with a star-studded array of top-rated quarterbacks like Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow and a bevy of skilled juniors infusing the early rounds with impressive depth. If you're a fan of college football, you know many of the first-round names and faces already.

But the potential quality of the talent pool may not be the only reason the 2010 draft season winds up being remembered as a somewhat unique window in time. While it is now largely accepted that the NFL's 2010 season will be the "uncapped'' year that closes out the current collective bargaining agreement between the players and owners, what has yet to be decided is whether the league's next draft will continue to operate under the rookie salary pool and "slotting'' system that has been a staple of the current CBA.

A league spokesman confirmed to SI.com this week that the rookie salary pool -- which operates as a salary cap for first-year players within the NFL's overall salary cap -- can be dropped at the league's option in an uncapped year. One potential ramification is that NFL rookies in 2010 might not have their potential contract value determined so tightly by their particular draft spot -- the so-called slotting system -- as has been the case with every other draft class under the current CBA.

The lack of a rookie pool could also result in coaxing even more underclassmen into next year's draft, given the uncertainty about the rookie salary structure that might be in place in 2011 as part of any new labor deal. Without the slotting system, the chances of having more Michael Crabtree-like contract stalemates in 2010 also could increase, as agents try to assign value to a player without adhering quite as strictly to where the player was chosen.

"It's in the CBA that we can remove the rookie salary pool in an uncapped year, or we can continue to have it,'' NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. "It hasn't been determined yet if we will remove it. We have to give the players union at least 60 days notice before the draft if we're going to remove it in 2010. I don't thing we're going to get into that any time soon, or clarify whether we will or not. We've only said we want to address the rookie salary structure as part of any new CBA negotiation.

"If we have a rookie pool, it'll be like the one we've had. But teams have to have some money to sign rookies either way. Either they do it by themselves without a pool, or we have one again. But as we've said before, an uncapped year will be different in a lot of ways throughout the league.''

If the league doesn't decide until the 60-days-before-the-draft deadline, it could pose a potential timing problem in the decision-making process underclassmen face in declaring for the draft. The deadline for juniors declaring is in mid-January. The 60-day rookie pool notification deadline is roughly Feb. 20. That means underclassmen could be forced to make their NFL declarations before they know whether the league intends to retain the rookie pool next year -- potentially not a small calculation.

Two longtime and high-level NFL club officials I spoke to this week weren't alarmed by the prospect of no formal slotting system in place for the draft, if it comes to that.

"The reason you're getting blank stares on this topic is because nobody can sit here and say they know what's going to unfold yet,'' one NFL general manager told me. "No one has the answer yet as to whether there's going to be a rookie pool next year. But it'll be hashed out when we have our [annual] labor seminar [for the clubs] in December, and until then, I don't think anybody can speculate or speak to it.''

Theories about why the NFL has yet to make a definitive decision range from the notion that the league is still working through all the potential pros and cons of having no rookie pool to the possibility of the league using it as an inducement or bargaining chip to get the still nascent CBA negotiations to the next level -- one more year of the huge, top of the first round salaries and signing bonuses before a new labor deal overhauls the rookie pay scale in 2011.

"I don't think the league has figured it out yet,'' a veteran club official said. "I don't think they know what's best for the league yet. When they figure out which is best for the league, to have a rookie pool next year or not, that's what they'll do.''

If there is no rookie pool in place next spring, one potential byproduct, according to a veteran agent with many NFL clients, will be the rise in importance of "signability'' in next year's draft. Teams will seek to assess which highly-regarded prospects might try to aggressively capitalize on what will perhaps be the one-year absence of a draft slotting system.

"If there's no rookie pool ... it'll be more like baseball in that way, where teams may really like a player, but if they can't sign him, what good is he? Signability will be a big buzzword," the veteran agent said.

"Some teams will look at the Crabtree holdout as the example and say, 'Why do we need that [crap]? Let them go play in the UFL.' We're going to see teams say, 'Let's go after the guys we know we can sign.' They'll go after some really solid, signable players in the second and third rounds, and then the smarter teams and smarter front offices will save some money to spend on some proven veterans out there on the market next year.''

Multiple sources within the league said they expect the 2010 draft to be heavy with juniors, but not owing to any particular motivation to strike it rich while there's potentially no rookie salary pool in place. It's got more to do with the serious injuries suffered early this season by Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford (throwing shoulder) and Sooners All-America tight end Jermaine Gresham, whose season-ending knee injury occurred in OU's first game. Both were highly-rated NFL prospects as underclassmen last season, but they passed up the shot at big money to return to college in 2009 -- moves that are eminently second-guessable now.

"Based on those two injuries, they'll be more juniors who will probably come out," an NFL general manager said. "People will think twice about not coming out.''

Said another veteran club official: "Why would you stay in knowing the risks? But I don't think teams will cave to those [juniors] next year in contract negotiations if there's no rookie cap. I just don't think that'll happen.''

No matter how many talented juniors declare for the draft, there's one hard, cold reality that won't change with or without a rookie salary pool: There are only 32 of those lucrative picks in the first round. The draft itself isn't expanding, unless you count it being staged for the first time over a three-day period in 2010.

"There's still only a fixed number of guys who can get drafted,'' the veteran agent said. "If you're a junior, you better be a dominant player, because they're not making more picks in the first round. Maybe more guys are coming out next year. Everybody seems to think it's going to be full of underclassmen, and without them, the class is weak.''

It's still early in this story, but stay tuned. The 2010 NFL Draft might be a different game.

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with owners like Jones, Synder, and Davis, the league has no hope of keeping salaries under control. i just hope the NFL doesnt turn into baseball with a team trying to buy the championship every season. its the main reason i stopped watching baseball.
I root for the Yankees only for the simple reason that by doing so I can discourage the most baseball fans. Otherwise I could give a crap about baseball until they completely redo the CBA and give every market an even chance of being competitive. The main thing IMO about the potential uncapped year in the NFL is no salary ceiling and NO SALARY FLOOR. Thanks to the teams that will go on the cheap because they will now be able to do so the teams that are willing to spend will not have to even pay that much because free agent suitors will be fewer and further between. In addition, players will need to accrue 6 years of service to become eligible for UFA which only a select few will be able to do. The players lose BIG in this scenario however you look at it.
 
with owners like Jones, Synder, and Davis, the league has no hope of keeping salaries under control. i just hope the NFL doesnt turn into baseball with a team trying to buy the championship every season. its the main reason i stopped watching baseball.
Same here. Exact reason I stopped.
 
with owners like Jones, Synder, and Davis, the league has no hope of keeping salaries under control. i just hope the NFL doesnt turn into baseball with a team trying to buy the championship every season. its the main reason i stopped watching baseball.
I root for the Yankees only for the simple reason that by doing so I can discourage the most baseball fans. Otherwise I could give a crap about baseball until they completely redo the CBA and give every market an even chance of being competitive. The main thing IMO about the potential uncapped year in the NFL is no salary ceiling and NO SALARY FLOOR. Thanks to the teams that will go on the cheap because they will now be able to do so the teams that are willing to spend will not have to even pay that much because free agent suitors will be fewer and further between. In addition, players will need to accrue 6 years of service to become eligible for UFA which only a select few will be able to do. The players lose BIG in this scenario however you look at it.
The No Salary Floor is the big one, especially for Bengals fans...
 
with owners like Jones, Synder, and Davis, the league has no hope of keeping salaries under control. i just hope the NFL doesnt turn into baseball with a team trying to buy the championship every season. its the main reason i stopped watching baseball.
Same here. Exact reason I stopped.
Me too.I love when people say that spending money doesn't buy you championships.

Well, if you spend like the Yankees, it buys you the division or wild card more often than not, and a legitimate shot at the title.

1. NYY = $209,081,579

2. NYM = $138,685,197

So in MLB, the team that spent the most, outspent the #2 team by FIFTY PERCENT! The average is $90M...(130% higher)

The cap in the NFL is $128 Million. Say one team was allowed to beat that by 50%, the same margin the Yankees outspent the Mets.

That would be $192 Million. Imagine what a team could do in 2009, if the system was set up so that they could spend $192 million compared to the next best at $128 Million.

 
I agree with the sentiments so far. No cap = bad for smaller market teams, players, and fans.

Maybe the upside is a tanking in value of a few NFL teams for any FBG'ers out there aspiring to own one :lmao:

 
Just show owners a picture of Snyder side by side with the high priced talent he has signed the last few years and the overall record over those years. That should discourage any wanna be Steinbrenner's out there :shrug:

 
FavreCo said:
King of the Wolfies said:
with owners like Jones, Synder, and Davis, the league has no hope of keeping salaries under control. i just hope the NFL doesnt turn into baseball with a team trying to buy the championship every season. its the main reason i stopped watching baseball.
Same here. Exact reason I stopped.
Me too. And my team (the Red Sox) benefits as much from the system they've got in place as anyone.That, and my fellow Red Sox fans just began to aggravate the bejesus out of me.

 
Billy Costigan Jr said:
FavreCo said:
King of the Wolfies said:
with owners like Jones, Synder, and Davis, the league has no hope of keeping salaries under control. i just hope the NFL doesnt turn into baseball with a team trying to buy the championship every season. its the main reason i stopped watching baseball.
Same here. Exact reason I stopped.
Me too.I love when people say that spending money doesn't buy you championships.

Well, if you spend like the Yankees, it buys you the division or wild card more often than not, and a legitimate shot at the title.

1. NYY = $209,081,579

2. NYM = $138,685,197

So in MLB, the team that spent the most, outspent the #2 team by FIFTY PERCENT! The average is $90M...(130% higher)

The cap in the NFL is $128 Million. Say one team was allowed to beat that by 50%, the same margin the Yankees outspent the Mets.

That would be $192 Million. Imagine what a team could do in 2009, if the system was set up so that they could spend $192 million compared to the next best at $128 Million.
Cue Jerry Jones....
 
yeah, there's actually a whole laundry list of provisions besides that one mentioned in the article that will definitely throttle down the spending that everybody imagines when they hear 'uncapped'.

as some others have mentioned, there will also be no salary floor, so it's possible some cheaper teams will just dump payroll and squirrel that money away.

 

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