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What's it taking to pry any of the top 3 RBs? (1 Viewer)

Sinrman

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Just curious what kind of early offseason offers/trades there have been so far for any of these three.

In Zealots 3 I pulled the trigger to get LT, but it cost a lot, as expected:

LT + 3rd round rookie pick

for

Rudi Johnson, Matt Jones, 1st round rookie pick (1.03), 2nd round rookie pick (2.03)

In another league, I had offered:

Edge + 2nd round rookie pick

for

LJ

REJECTED

 
Try this on for size. In a 12 team, 7 keeper league, Im going after Shaun Alexander. Ive already got LJ, Stephen Jackson, McGahee and Cedric Benson along with Brady, Eli, Bulger and Fitzgerald. Here's the trade Ive offered to the Alexander owner......

Eli and Bulger

McGahee and Jackson

AND two 1st round picks...7th and 12th overall

FOR Shaun Alexander

The guy is thinking about it. Its a crazy, overwhelming trade, but the thought of Alexander and LJ on the same team has me throwing it all at him. Im positive the guy will make the deal, but Im thinking Im giving up just too much. That said, if SA stays in Seattle, Id probably still do it. But, to show you how much it takes to get any of these guys, this is what I thought it would take. And, oh by the way, I wouldnt come off of LJ for that package or any other. Some guys simply arent expendable.

 
Keeper league 12 teams, keep 10 players (starters plus 2 extras). Basic scoring league with yardage bonuses...

I traded McGahee and Portis FOR LT and a 3rd round pick.

My teams going into next year now is:

Palmer

LT2

Rudi

Holt

S. Smith

Witten

Graham

Steelers

Brees

Cadillac

 
Try this on for size. In a 12 team, 7 keeper league, Im going after Shaun Alexander. Ive already got LJ, Stephen Jackson, McGahee and Cedric Benson along with Brady, Eli, Bulger and Fitzgerald. Here's the trade Ive offered to the Alexander owner......

Eli and Bulger

McGahee and Jackson

AND two 1st round picks...7th and 12th overall

FOR Shaun Alexander

The guy is thinking about it. Its a crazy, overwhelming trade, but the thought of Alexander and LJ on the same team has me throwing it all at him. Im positive the guy will make the deal, but Im thinking Im giving up just too much. That said, if SA stays in Seattle, Id probably still do it. But, to show you how much it takes to get any of these guys, this is what I thought it would take. And, oh by the way, I wouldnt come off of LJ for that package or any other. Some guys simply arent expendable.
My God are you ever overpaying. Giving up two young backs and two good Qb's. Wow. I have LT2 in a couple of leagues and would trade him for that any day of the week.
 
Try this on for size.  In a 12 team, 7 keeper league, Im going after Shaun Alexander.  Ive already got LJ, Stephen Jackson, McGahee and Cedric Benson along with Brady, Eli, Bulger and Fitzgerald.  Here's the trade Ive offered to the Alexander owner......

Eli and Bulger

McGahee and Jackson

AND two 1st round picks...7th and 12th overall

FOR Shaun Alexander

The guy is thinking about it.  Its a crazy, overwhelming trade, but the thought of Alexander and LJ on the same team has me throwing it all at him.  Im positive the guy will make the deal, but Im thinking Im giving up just too much.  That said, if SA stays in Seattle, Id probably still do it.  But, to show you how much it takes to get any of these guys, this is what I thought it would take.  And, oh by the way, I wouldnt come off of LJ for that package or any other.  Some guys simply arent expendable.
My God are you ever overpaying. Giving up two young backs and two good Qb's. Wow. I have LT2 in a couple of leagues and would trade him for that any day of the week.
SA owner here who would part with him in a heartbeat for that deal :yes:
 
Try this on for size.  In a 12 team, 7 keeper league, Im going after Shaun Alexander.  Ive already got LJ, Stephen Jackson, McGahee and Cedric Benson along with Brady, Eli, Bulger and Fitzgerald.  Here's the trade Ive offered to the Alexander owner......

Eli and Bulger

McGahee and Jackson

AND two 1st round picks...7th and 12th overall

FOR Shaun Alexander

The guy is thinking about it.  Its a crazy, overwhelming trade, but the thought of Alexander and LJ on the same team has me throwing it all at him.  Im positive the guy will make the deal, but Im thinking Im giving up just too much.  That said, if SA stays in Seattle, Id probably still do it.  But, to show you how much it takes to get any of these guys, this is what I thought it would take.  And, oh by the way, I wouldnt come off of LJ for that package or any other.  Some guys simply arent expendable.
My God are you ever overpaying. Giving up two young backs and two good Qb's. Wow. I have LT2 in a couple of leagues and would trade him for that any day of the week.
SA owner here who would part with him in a heartbeat for that deal :yes:
Same here. :eek:

 
10 Teams Dynasty League, basic scoring.

I was offered P. Manny for LJ (What a joke, I shot it down).

I was offered C. Johnson for LT2 (I shot it down).

I traded C. Portis for T. Holt, 2.5 pick in 2006, and 1st rounder in 2007.

My other starting RBs: LT2, LJ, M. Anderson, and FWP.

My other starting RBs: R. Moss, D-Jax and J. Horn.

 
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LT + 3rd round rookie pick

for

Rudi Johnson, Matt Jones, 1st round rookie pick (1.03), 2nd round rookie pick (2.03)
I own LT in my home league and would not do this deal in the end. While it is fair, I dont think you overpaid in the end and nothing there excites me. But than I am not big on either Rudi and really think Matt Jones is a #4 FF WR at best and will never be a top 20 guy.
 
In a 14-team 3-keeper league, I have been offered McGahee, H. Ward (or A. Johnson), 2006 2nd rd pick and 2007 1st rd pick for SA.

I gave up a few draft picks to make a run last year and figure I may struggle in 2006. Another team already has LT and LJ so 1st place may be out of reach already. I'm thinking about reloading for 2007. By that time, SA will be 30. He won't be done but will be on the downside of his career.

McGahee, AJ and the 2007 1st will probably help more than SA in 2007, 2008. I also have Eli, CJ and KJ so I have some good young players.

 
If I were an SA owner (I'm not) I would be trading him while the Super Bowl / playoff / MVP hype is still high.

I personally don't think he returns to Seattle next year, although that's debateable. If he hit most other teams, he isn't going to be a top 10 next year.

As an LT owner in a couple leagues, he isn't going anywhere. If I had LJ, he wouldn't either. I suppose Peyton, Caddy and a 1st would net either, but that's not likely to be offered.

 
16 Team League

I am contemplating trading LJ for Magahee and Deuce as I only have KJones, CMart and Gado along with LJ!

 
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As a dynasty owner of LJ and a great group of other backs (Edge, Westbrook, DD) there isn't anything I would trade him for, except for a package including LT2 (no I wouldn't trade him straight up for LT2).

On a related note, I've made many offers to the LT2 and SA owners and they won't budge either, but running backs are gold in this league.

 
16 Team League

I am contemplating trading LJ for Magahee and Deuce as I only have KJones, CMart and Gado along with LJ!
Not horrible. Would McGahee and Ahman Green be enough? :unsure:
 
As a dynasty owner of LJ and a great group of other backs (Edge, Westbrook, DD) there isn't anything I would trade him for, except for a package including LT2 (no I wouldn't trade him straight up for LT2).

On a related note, I've made many offers to the LT2 and SA owners and they won't budge either, but running backs are gold in this league.
I love these types of comments.So if you were offered Portis, McGahee and Fitzgerald for Johnson, you'd say "no"?

 
I can only start 3 runningbacks, including a flex position (LJ, Edge, Westbrook/DD), and i already have Fitzgerald, so no :P

McGahee is overrated and has never outscored Westbrook or Davis(PPR), and LJ is better than Portis.

To be fair, I might accept Portis, Jordan, and a receiver like Smith or CJ for him, but I'd have to think about it a while.

 
I'm not trying to make this a should I trade this guy for that guy but

who do you think had more value over the next 3 years.

LJ

LT or

Alexander?

I currently have the pleasure/burden of owning LJ and LT but have to cut 1.

How do people see the value of these RB's next year and then after next?

I'm thinking dare I say that LJ may be the better play. Although the changing of the coaching staff has me worried

 
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I like LJ better only because the touches seem to be wearing down on LT2. Both are studs though. If you can, trade LT2 for picks, as you'll probably get more in return for him.

 
Try this on for size.  In a 12 team, 7 keeper league, Im going after Shaun Alexander.  Ive already got LJ, Stephen Jackson, McGahee and Cedric Benson along with Brady, Eli, Bulger and Fitzgerald.  Here's the trade Ive offered to the Alexander owner......

Eli and Bulger

McGahee and Jackson

AND two 1st round picks...7th and 12th overall

FOR Shaun Alexander

The guy is thinking about it.  Its a crazy, overwhelming trade, but the thought of Alexander and LJ on the same team has me throwing it all at him.  Im positive the guy will make the deal, but Im thinking Im giving up just too much.  That said, if SA stays in Seattle, Id probably still do it.  But, to show you how much it takes to get any of these guys, this is what I thought it would take.  And, oh by the way, I wouldnt come off of LJ for that package or any other.  Some guys simply arent expendable.
Dude, you are thinking too much. Keep your young stable of backs. One injury to the aging Alexander or LJ and you will be kicking yourself. I would be very happy with your current crop of RB's. In a year or two Benson will be putting up #1 numbers on a cold-weather team. The same thing could be said about McGahee, although his team is in a bad position at the moment.
 
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Try this on for size.  In a 12 team, 7 keeper league, Im going after Shaun Alexander.  Ive already got LJ, Stephen Jackson, McGahee and Cedric Benson along with Brady, Eli, Bulger and Fitzgerald.  Here's the trade Ive offered to the Alexander owner......

Eli and Bulger

McGahee and Jackson

AND two 1st round picks...7th and 12th overall

FOR Shaun Alexander

The guy is thinking about it.  Its a crazy, overwhelming trade, but the thought of Alexander and LJ on the same team has me throwing it all at him.  Im positive the guy will make the deal, but Im thinking Im giving up just too much.  That said, if SA stays in Seattle, Id probably still do it.  But, to show you how much it takes to get any of these guys, this is what I thought it would take.  And, oh by the way, I wouldnt come off of LJ for that package or any other.  Some guys simply arent expendable.
Dude, you are thinking too much. Keep your young stable of backs. One injury to the aging Alexander or LJ and you will be kicking yourself. I would be very happy with your current crop of RB's. In a year or two Benson will be putting up #1 numbers on a cold-weather team. The same thing could be said about McGahee, although his team is in a bad position at the moment.
For what it's worth, I'm in a 32 team dynasty league that is in auction format. We are in our first year and are in the process of doing our FA bids (using proxy bidding). Our annual salary cap is $1300 and the most years you can sign someone to is 5. We have 40 roster spots to fill. Larry Johnson just went for $1800! Spread that out over 5 years and that's $360 per year. Almost 30% of his salary cap. I assume he'll be the most expensive back taken.
 
Saw this trade in a 14 team dynasty full of footballguys a few weeks ago. (2 flex RB/WR and 1 ppr.)

LT, Leftwich, and Derrick Mason

for

Torry Holt, McGahee, and Eli Manning

 
LT + 3rd round rookie pick

for

Rudi Johnson, Matt Jones, 1st round rookie pick (1.03), 2nd round rookie pick (2.03)
I own LT in my home league and would not do this deal in the end. While it is fair, I dont think you overpaid in the end and nothing there excites me. But than I am not big on either Rudi and really think Matt Jones is a #4 FF WR at best and will never be a top 20 guy.
I had actually originally offered him Culpepper, Ward, 1st (1.03), and 2nd rounders for LT and Donnie Edwards (we play defensive players, too), and was turned down. So, to each his/her own...Overpaid? Well, it's hard to say right now. I liked Rudi, and he quietly produced for me this year (I had been offered Rudi straight up for Fragile Taylor straight up, and obviously took it). It was hard to give him up. But the hardest was losing the 1.03 and 2.03 rookie picks. That might bite me in the end...

 
Deal in progress...

LJ, Kevin Jones ($15), M Anderson and Driver ($4)

-for-

Portis, Cadillac, Dillon ($20) & Fitzgerald.

14 teams, $100 auction. Jones, Driver and Dillon are signed through 06, all other players can be retained (for 2 yrs) if you match the final bid or spend $32 (for the RBs, $21 for the WR) and keep them off the market for 1 season.

 
Why does McGahee seem to be in all of these trades? People trying to dump him or target him? I swear, he seems to be the most traded RB this year.

 
Why does McGahee seem to be in all of these trades? People trying to dump him or target him? I swear, he seems to be the most traded RB this year.
Most owners of him thought and had him as their #1 RB and dont want to go into 06 the same way. Even if he was their #2 he wasnt worthy so they will move him while he still has value and get a RB they like. In the end it may be a mistake but his 05 stats are wearing on some owners. I dont have him but if i did i would shop him if i got a good deal on him.
 
owning LJ, but not much else in a "start 2RB-2WR-2flex" league, I traded:

LJ, Moats & 2.8 rookie for

JLewis, SSmith and 1.11 rookie

then I moved the rookie 1.3 for:

Tatem Bell and Mike Anderson

I also have the rookie 1.7...so:

before:

LJ, Moats, 1.3, 1.7, 2.3, 2.8

after:

JLewis, TBell, MAnderson, SSmith, 1.7, 1.11, 2.3

I never would have made the Johnson trade if I had a legit RB2...and I wouldn't have made the DEN-RB/1.3deal if I had LJ and a decent RB2...so,

it really depends on what you have besides LJ that determines what is "fair" to you, which was X-1's point, I believe

 
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Try this on for size.  In a 12 team, 7 keeper league, Im going after Shaun Alexander.  Ive already got LJ, Stephen Jackson, McGahee and Cedric Benson along with Brady, Eli, Bulger and Fitzgerald.  Here's the trade Ive offered to the Alexander owner......

Eli and Bulger

McGahee and Jackson

AND two 1st round picks...7th and 12th overall

FOR Shaun Alexander

The guy is thinking about it.  Its a crazy, overwhelming trade, but the thought of Alexander and LJ on the same team has me throwing it all at him.  Im positive the guy will make the deal, but Im thinking Im giving up just too much.  That said, if SA stays in Seattle, Id probably still do it.  But, to show you how much it takes to get any of these guys, this is what I thought it would take.  And, oh by the way, I wouldnt come off of LJ for that package or any other.  Some guys simply arent expendable.
Dude, you are thinking too much. Keep your young stable of backs. One injury to the aging Alexander or LJ and you will be kicking yourself. I would be very happy with your current crop of RB's. In a year or two Benson will be putting up #1 numbers on a cold-weather team. The same thing could be said about McGahee, although his team is in a bad position at the moment.
I feel ya, and understand. I know its an awful lot, and the fact is that I probably will talk myself out of this deal when it gets down to it. But Id never be afraid of being thin with Alexander, Larry Johnson, and Cedric Benson...because the next big thing is coming right around the corner and noone will see him before you and me. And those 3 guys on my thin team would all be stallions. Confidence is my game....and Im trying to worry other people...not worry myself. Ill keep you posted. And thanks much for the feedback.
 
owning LJ, but not much else in a "start 2RB-2WR-2flex" league, I traded:

LJ, Moats & 2.8 rookie for

JLewis, SSmith and 1.11 rookie

then I moved the rookie 1.3 for:

Tatem Bell and Mike Anderson

I also have the rookie 1.7...so:

before:

LJ, Moats, 1.3, 1.7, 2.3, 2.8

after:

JLewis, TBell, MAnderson, SSmith, 1.7, 1.11, 2.3

I never would have made the Johnson trade if I had a legit RB2...and I wouldn't have made the DEN-RB/1.3deal if I had LJ and a decent RB2...so,

it really depends on what you have besides LJ that determines what is "fair" to you, which was X-1's point, I believe
I'm sure it was tough giving up LJ. But looking at what you had before and after, I can understand. I face similar situations in a few leagues that I took over orphaned teams and STILL trying to rebuild. Sometimes you just HAVE to give up the top guys to get some depth and fill holes.You better hope Lewis comes back strong! :)

 
LJ how good will He be next year?

Not sure,anyone really knows the answer.

With a new HC and OC,not sure He ranks 3rd on my list.

 
My starting lineup for week 7 was:

Steve McNair

Larry Johnson, Lamont Jordan, Cedric Benson

Joey Galloway, Lee Evans, Doug Gabriel

Tony Gonzales

After trades I now have:

McNair/McCown/Simms/Rivers/Volek/JMartin/Walter

Ricky Williams, Kevin Jones, Cedric Benson

Randy Moss/Porter, Torry Holt/Curtis, Terrell Owens/Michael Clayton

Jeremy Shockey

This was was my attempt to not bank on only two players (Larry & Lamont).

I was tired of getting 0 points at several positions.

 

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