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What's Larry Johnson's Future in KC? (1 Viewer)

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Any KC homers know what the latest on LJ is? Given the addition of Cassell and maybe a 'pass first' offense does Charles hold any value in a PPR league?

What are peope's thoughts here

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I don't really know much about Charles but I do like LJ for a buy low value. I think he will have another year or two of at least RB2 production.

 
JC is certainly a hold in dynasty, at least for 09 and maybe 10. New coach, qb, system and while I wouldn't call LJ 'injury prone', he does usually miss a few games/yr.

Charles looked decent w/ his opps last year, but no one is mistaking him for Chirs Johnson (TN) yet.

Hopefully he's been locked in the weight room, adding the right kind of weight (i.e. lower body). His upside (IMO) is a 2nd & long / 3rd down RBBC guy - doubtful he turns into a 3 down back anytime soon. Maybe a Leon Washington / Kevin Faulk in the making.

He does have talent & speed. Being undersized (light), and the lack of opportunity won't help the cause. And his value in FF is as the cuff to LJ, but not like LJ was behind Holmes (w/ a chance to take over FT and produce RB1-2 type #s)

I never say never in FF, because things can change quickly w/ RBs (i.e. Slayton last year), but doubtful he's a FF factor this season.

 
On the NFL side, I think KC is stuck with him. Monster contract. Chip on his shoulder. Aging with a pretty decent amount of mileage. Unless KC gives him away, no team is going to trade for him. So I think he plays with KC for this year at least. With a new offense around him, there's no telling. He could do fairly well there now... As for Charles, I think he will spell Johnson this year and take over soon enough (2010?).

On the fantasy side, I agree that Johnson might be a nice buy-low target. Many owners have nearly given up on him. Not saying they'll give him away, but maybe toss a 2nd round rookie pick and see if they'll bite. Probably depends on what they need...

 
I think they need to aggressively go in the direction of RBBC. It's obvious at this point that LJ isn't going to do it on his own. And without competition he actually looses his spark..

 
thecardiackid said:
He does have talent & speed. Being undersized (light), and the lack of opportunity won't help the cause. And his value in FF is as the cuff to LJ, but not like LJ was behind Holmes (w/ a chance to take over FT and produce RB1-2 type #s)
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Sinrman said:
So I think he plays with KC for this year at least. With a new offense around him, there's no telling. He could do fairly well there now... As for Charles, I think he will spell Johnson this year and take over soon enough (2010?).
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I think a lot of Johnson's value will depend on how KC drafts this year. They got a huge offensive line upgrade in the '08 draft (Albert). If they go DEF then maybe they play him out while rebuilding and establish more of an RBBC w/ Charles. However, if they take an O-Line player in the draft he'll have more possible upside and could end his career in KC with stronger numbers... Until the draft there's no telling where the Chiefs are going... aside from up, and Charles is in line to take over in the next 1-3 years. I have to think Charles has some dynasty value but who knows what kind of trades could happen in the next 2-3 years.

With the third pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Eugene Monroe... I like the sound of that. (LJ/Charles owner).

 
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Charles is an intriguing guy. I was surprised that Herm Edwards was so quick to say that his rookie wasn't feature back material (I'm paraphrasing). In terms of skills, Charles has the raw material to be a dynamic runner in the NFL. I was always highly impressed with his agility and vision and his ability to break tackles is underrated. It could be his attitude that led Edwards to say this, but I wouldn't know...

The big issue I had with him was his discipline with his choices. He had a tendency to ignore the hole that would get him the minimum yards to keep his team on schedule for the big play opportunity that came with higher risk. But if he can run smarter by taking fewer risks and stay healthy, I think he's got as much upside as any back in the 2008 draft class (situation not included).

Johnson (see the Falcons game last year) can still obviously get the job done physically. He seems like an intelligent guy who has been extraordinarily foolish and not in control of himself personally. If we read anything in the preseason that profiles Johnson seeking help with his anger management and seriously turning over a new leaf around the team, I think he could have a one- or two-year renaissance of sorts. I'm not optimistic, but there's hope.

Not that I think he could be a starter, but D. Savage was a back I thought would get drafted last year and showed a little bit when he got his chance in KC. I could see a 1-2 punch with him and Charles if Charles makes more consistently good decisions with his chances to earn 15-20 touches per game.

 
Carolina Hustler said:
I think they need to aggressively go in the direction of RBBC. It's obvious at this point that LJ isn't going to do it on his own. And without competition he actually looses his spark..
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I don't like LJ one bit nor do I own him but I disagree with this. When LJ did get his carries last season he produced. There were about 4-5 games where they'd hand him the ball 25+ times and he went off. Then the next game he'd have 4 carries and Tyler Thigpin would be winging it. The Chiefs are a disaster, if he went to a healthier team, he'd still have some numbers.
 
Tanner9919 said:
Routilla said:
I think LJ may be a good value pick this year. He's going around 50th overall at FFC.

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php?teams=10
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last year, Az ranked 32nd in rush attempts, 32nd in rush yards.2007 - 25th in att, 29th in yards.

Not quite sure Haley is a guy who likes to run the ball as often as some LJ owners would prefer..

RBBC most likely scenario..
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KC has much less than AZ in the passing game so I would expect a little more rushing. I'm not saying LJ gets 400 carries but he may very well suprise if the passing game improves as it should. This would get 8 out of the box.
 
Tanner9919 said:
Routilla said:
I think LJ may be a good value pick this year. He's going around 50th overall at FFC.

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php?teams=10
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last year, Az ranked 32nd in rush attempts, 32nd in rush yards.2007 - 25th in att, 29th in yards.

Not quite sure Haley is a guy who likes to run the ball as often as some LJ owners would prefer..

RBBC most likely scenario..
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KC has much less than AZ in the passing game so I would expect a little more rushing. I'm not saying LJ gets 400 carries but he may very well surprise if the passing game improves as it should. This would get 8 out of the box.
 
Sinrman said:
On the NFL side, I think KC is stuck with him. Monster contract. Chip on his shoulder. Aging with a pretty decent amount of mileage. Unless KC gives him away, no team is going to trade for him.
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Could he be the KC connection to the 3 team trade rumor regarding Cutler? If so how would that work out?KC:

Larry to Denver for one of their many RB's

Rec Denver's 2.16 pick

Rec Wash's 1.13 pick

Denver:

Cutler to Washington

One of their RB's and 2.16 pick to KC

Rec Larry from KC

Rec Campbell from Wash

Wash:

Campbell to Denver and 1.13 to KC

Rec Cutler from Den

Obviously this would be a rough outline and there would have to be more to balance the trade out (Campbell AND 1.13 is pretty steep in my opinion for Washington but depending on your opinion of Larry the same could be said for KC).

 
Kansas City Chiefs RB Larry Johnson pleaded guilty this afternoon to two counts of disturbing the peace in connection with separate incidents involving women at Kansas City night clubs. Johnson was sentenced to two years of probation, but suspended imposition of the sentence. If Johnson completes probation without further incidents, the guilty plea will be removed from his public record. Authorities originally charged him with two counts of assault, but reduced both charges today to disturbing the peace.

 
Wowsers.

If the Chiefs cut LJ next week, where do people think he will land?

As for KC, if this happens, my bet would be on them drafting another RB to at least compete with Charles. The kid looked good at times last year, but I didn't think he looked like a feature back (IMO, of course).

 
LJ getting outright released would be great for his fantasy value as he'd be able to have a say in what team he went to.

NE might jump all over him giving him a one year contract to prove himself and then extending if they are happy after the season.

While NE has signed a bunch of RB's they can easily be let go without NE taking much of a cap hit.

 
LJ in Seattle?

I believe Knapp is the OC, and he likes to run the rock. He would be a perfect fit.

Cleveland would be a nice landing spot.

 
I wonder if Baltimore would be interested in him? McGahee isn't the answer and LJ might be the perfect power runner for the offense they like to run. Kinda like Jamal circa 2000. Houston, Seattle, Colts, he's better than the Jets RB's, and AZ could definitely use him. Should be interesting.

 
Wow. This situation has really soured. It is starting to remind me of the S. Alexander situation of a couple of years ago, except with legal issues and a contract dispute on top of it all! I would say his value now is almost nothing. As for Charles, it depends on what kind of back they draft but I don't think Charles is a three down back myself. If LJ goes I would trade Charles before the draft if you can. His value will never be higher.

 
How about New Orleans as a landing spot?

Payton has said he wants a big back to replace Deuce. A 3 headed Monster attack in New Orleans wont be good for Fantasy guys, but Im sure Saints fans would not mind.

 
Count me in as one who doesn't think Jamal Charles is a full time guy - that said, I do think he could carve a nice little niche for himself ala Leon Washington.

 
az_prof said:
Wow. This situation has really soured. It is starting to remind me of the S. Alexander situation of a couple of years ago, except with legal issues and a contract dispute on top of it all! I would say his value now is almost nothing. As for Charles, it depends on what kind of back they draft but I don't think Charles is a three down back myself. If LJ goes I would trade Charles before the draft if you can. His value will never be higher.
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I think LJ has much more left in the tank than what SA had then....Just my .02
 
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We’ve gotten a look at the Larry Johnson contract in the wake of Friday’s report from Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star that Johnson and the Chiefs will convene for a grievance hearing next week over $3.75 million in guaranteed money.

Of that amount, $3.5 million comes from a guaranteed base salary due to be paid in 2009. The other $250,000 comes from a guaranteed base salary due to be paid in 2010.

Johnson otherwise is due to earn in 2009 an additional $1.05 million in base salary, for a total of $4.55 million. He also is eligible for a $100,000 workout bonus, and a $1 million per-game roster bonus, paid out at a rate of $62,500 per game.

In 2010, Johnson is due to earn a total base salary of $5 million, along with another $100,000 workout bonus and another $1 million per-game roster bonus. He also is due to receive a $1 million roster bonus on the fifth day of the 2010 league year.

His terms in 2011 are virtually identical, but without any guaranteed base salary and a total base salary of $5.3 million.

Ditto for 2012, with a base salary of $5.9 million.

Johnson received a $12.5 million signing bonus in 2007; it’s unclear whether and to what extent the Chiefs attempted to recover a portion of the signing bonus money based on Johnson’s one-game suspension in 2008. Under the CBA, the team is eligible to claim 25 percent of the proration for a year in which the player commits a default (which includes a suspension), if the contract contains language permitting such a forfeiture.

The current dispute likely is unprecedented, under the current CBA. Instead of trying to recover money already paid, the Chiefs are trying to block future guaranteed payments based on an argument that Johnson breached his contract. On the surface, the Chiefs likely would have a tough time of it, since the 2006 CBA revisions were specifically intended to limit the situations in which a team could attack a player’s money.

If the Chiefs plan to dump Johnson upon prevailing on the grievance, the team would take a cap hit of $8.8 million.

 
I just can't see them drafting a RB very high while they are trying to change to a completely new system on defense

they saw this coming last year, and grabbed Charles in the 2nd round with Kolby Smith and Jackie Battle I like this backfield if they can improve the line. Think they could use all 3 though...maybe a late round guy to challenge for a roster spot

 
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So the legal issues add to what in terms of suspension for LJ??? 2 Games or 4 Games since he has already been suspended... but was that suspension by the team or league?

I like LJ in KC as they will have to rely on a workhorse/vet with the changes in overall structure. It could be a "ride him hard and leave him out wet" to get every mile they can get out of him. Then, adios!

 
Birdie048 said:
So the legal issues add to what in terms of suspension for LJ??? 2 Games or 4 Games since he has already been suspended... but was that suspension by the team or league? I like LJ in KC as they will have to rely on a workhorse/vet with the changes in overall structure. It could be a "ride him hard and leave him out wet" to get every mile they can get out of him. Then, adios!
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He was found guilty and copped a two year probation plea--that is pretty serious, isn't it? I can't see him getting less than four game suspension.
 
az_prof said:
Birdie048 said:
So the legal issues add to what in terms of suspension for LJ??? 2 Games or 4 Games since he has already been suspended... but was that suspension by the team or league? I like LJ in KC as they will have to rely on a workhorse/vet with the changes in overall structure. It could be a "ride him hard and leave him out wet" to get every mile they can get out of him. Then, adios!
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He was found guilty and copped a two year probation plea--that is pretty serious, isn't it? I can't see him getting less than four game suspension.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that the one game suspension last year was directly related to these two incidents. If so, I don't see any further suspensions looming.Unless LJ proclaimed his innocence in his meeting with Goodell then copped a plea. Then I could see some more games missed.
 
kneeshooter said:
az_prof said:
Birdie048 said:
So the legal issues add to what in terms of suspension for LJ??? 2 Games or 4 Games since he has already been suspended... but was that suspension by the team or league? I like LJ in KC as they will have to rely on a workhorse/vet with the changes in overall structure. It could be a "ride him hard and leave him out wet" to get every mile they can get out of him. Then, adios!
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He was found guilty and copped a two year probation plea--that is pretty serious, isn't it? I can't see him getting less than four game suspension.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that the one game suspension last year was directly related to these two incidents. If so, I don't see any further suspensions looming.Unless LJ proclaimed his innocence in his meeting with Goodell then copped a plea. Then I could see some more games missed.
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I think last year it was just a team suspension, not a league suspension.
 
Dr. Octopus said:
I think last year it was just a team suspension, not a league suspension.
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The league definitely suspended him for one game; the Chiefs for three. The article also states that "upon the disposition of two pending law enforcement matters he faces the possibility of additional disciplinary action." Goodell hasn't come out yet and stated the NFL would be investigating the matter further, ala Brandon Marshall, but it is still early.

 
kneeshooter said:
Dr. Octopus said:
I think last year it was just a team suspension, not a league suspension.
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The league definitely suspended him for one game; the Chiefs for three. The article also states that "upon the disposition of two pending law enforcement matters he faces the possibility of additional disciplinary action." Goodell hasn't come out yet and stated the NFL would be investigating the matter further, ala Brandon Marshall, but it is still early.
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My mistake then. I remembered the team suspencion, not the league. I guess they do have the right to further suspend him but not sure if they will.
 
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