pantherclub
Footballguy
Roy Helu S HolmesMichael BushJ StewartSome good starters and 2nd wr's in that group. By now in the draft you should be building depth not your starting qb
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Whats Your Favorite QBBC? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter th3f00l
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this discussion is mind boggling in the direction it keeps going....
I must have missed the email when the definition of QBBC was changed.....
why the f is Vick still being brought up.....?....
people are talking about a Vick/Cutler combo like it is some type of golden QBBC duo....both of those guys are being drafted as STARTERS in a 12 team league....
unbelievable.....
I must have missed the email when the definition of QBBC was changed.....
why the f is Vick still being brought up.....?....
people are talking about a Vick/Cutler combo like it is some type of golden QBBC duo....both of those guys are being drafted as STARTERS in a 12 team league....
unbelievable.....
"Assuming both QBs remain healthy," here's how you want to break that committee down.Vick - Cutler
@Cle - Ind
Bal - @GB
@Ari - StL
NYG -@Dal
@Pit - @Jax
Det - Bye
Bye - Det
Atl - Car
@NO - @Ten
Dal - Hou
@Was - @SF
Car - Min
@Dal - Sea
@TB - @Min
Cin - GB
Was - @Ari
@NYG - @Det
pantherclub
Footballguy
If you are rolling out Cutler as your full time starter then God Bless You. That is just not going to work. He has had one mediocre year by my count.
Not necessarily
Tell you what, I'll take DHB, and you take nobody. Most points wins. You name the stakes.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Who can point out the logical errors here?
Not, for example, if someone who already drafted an elite starter reaches to grab Cutler to sit on his pine all year. We've already determined that Romo and Roethlisberger are backups in that scenario, why not Cutler too?
I already did. But I surely wouldn't count on your moronic ### to notice that.
pantherclub
Footballguy
then why would you waste the pick on Cutler?
I guess I have Cutler ranked a little higher than others.....so if you want to say he is part of a QBBC then go for it....but he is coming in at the point where maybe a true QBBC would start...pairing him with anybody ranked higher is not a QBBC.....
For the same reason you take most 9th round picks. For depth and upside at a position of need.
The only even remotely intelligent anti-post in the thread is Yudkin's.
The only holes (not flaws, but not thoroughly examined nuances) in his analysis being these...
1) With Rodgers/Brees/Brady being staples in the top 6 in most formats this year, the opportunity cost for grabbing one isn't "some RB1", it's Foster/Rice/McCoy. If you're trying to make up that difference with your QB buffer, it's still not bad strategy, but it looks a little less rosy than imagining it's Matt Forte or somebody.
2) The real opportunity with QBBC isn't the hope that you equal Brady and then forfeit and 8th and 9th in the pursuit. It's accepting that you're not going to be likely to equal Brees/Brady/Rodgers no matter what you do, but realizing you have a good chance of getting Tony Romo numbers out of your committee, while spending REAL endgame selections on your guys. This is why I'm pimping Carson/Fitzpatrick. The point that you're giving up Donald Brown and Denarius Moore or something is one thing, which you'd be doing spending mid-round picks. I'm advocating you take those guys, then pass on Randall Cobb and Jonathan Dwyer, who will probably score you a grand total of zero points all year even if you do draft them. If I'm right, I get a free fifth rounder relative to team Romo, and a Rice/McCoy/Foster/Calvin/McFadden PLUS a Romo-type-QB-Unit to combat Brady + Doug Martin or whoever.
It gives me a fighting chance even if the QB's skew ridiculous again.
The only holes (not flaws, but not thoroughly examined nuances) in his analysis being these...
1) With Rodgers/Brees/Brady being staples in the top 6 in most formats this year, the opportunity cost for grabbing one isn't "some RB1", it's Foster/Rice/McCoy. If you're trying to make up that difference with your QB buffer, it's still not bad strategy, but it looks a little less rosy than imagining it's Matt Forte or somebody.
2) The real opportunity with QBBC isn't the hope that you equal Brady and then forfeit and 8th and 9th in the pursuit. It's accepting that you're not going to be likely to equal Brees/Brady/Rodgers no matter what you do, but realizing you have a good chance of getting Tony Romo numbers out of your committee, while spending REAL endgame selections on your guys. This is why I'm pimping Carson/Fitzpatrick. The point that you're giving up Donald Brown and Denarius Moore or something is one thing, which you'd be doing spending mid-round picks. I'm advocating you take those guys, then pass on Randall Cobb and Jonathan Dwyer, who will probably score you a grand total of zero points all year even if you do draft them. If I'm right, I get a free fifth rounder relative to team Romo, and a Rice/McCoy/Foster/Calvin/McFadden PLUS a Romo-type-QB-Unit to combat Brady + Doug Martin or whoever.
It gives me a fighting chance even if the QB's skew ridiculous again.
bumping this post again so we can get a frame of reference here on what an actual QBBC is....in a 12 team league a QBBC cannot really include any QB ranked in the top 12 QB's.....10 for a 10 teamer and so on....a "QB combo" can be whatever the f you want it to be......which is what most of these posts/combinations have been.....
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I was not advocating taking any QB before Foster, McCoy, or Rice. Where a QB comes into play, at least for me, is that point or later. At the end of the first round, depending upon the scoring system, if the Top RBs are gone, the top TEs are gone, and Megatron is gone, I don't get the warm and fuzzies about the crop of RBs that are left or the other WRs. As I see it, scoring wise, there really isn't that much of a scoring difference or risk differnce in the RBs say past the past 6 . . . and there are a lot of WRs that are in the non-Megatron top 10 tier as well as a huge group of decent WR2s.So as I see it, if a Brees falls to me at the end of Round 1, that would be hard to pass up. So I am banking on a huge scoring differential in Brees (or Brady at that point) and only a minimal loss at WR or RB. There are not a lot of heavy workload, heavy TD backs anymore, so I would be happy to pass up a 180-190 point scoring back that is going to get 275 touches for a 160-170 point back that might get 240 touches.Opinions certainly will vary on this one, but there are no sure thing backs going in the pick 6-15 range.
pantherclub
Footballguy
How are Vick and Ryan in the top tier?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Are the mods going to enforce the forum rules here or is this kind of childish retort now allowed?TIA
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I'm rolling with Vick/Ben in one league and Cutler/Fitz in another 
QB1 tier meaning what most people would refer to as fairly reliable every week starterIt has grown substantially in the last 3-5 years IMO. Consider in 2007, Kitna was the 7th QB off the board.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Let's not all go sucking each others' popsicles off jus yet t over Ryan. Vick is Tier 1 on a PPG basis with a massive injury risk concern that ultimately keeps him out of it.Cam will either stop scoring 10+ TDs on the ground or soon have his own injury concerns (or both). I love him, but we need to see if his pure passing can keep him at that level. I'll give you Stafford, though another year of healthy domination from him would make me feel more comfortable.Tier might seem big, but safety combined with total weekly domination that the Big 3 offer makes them worth the asking price and more valuable than the others.Double up on what guys?Any combo of Stafford, Newton, Vick, or Ryan is probably impossible in most leagues, and in every league, a terrible allocation of assets.Obviously, spending a Top 5 round draft pick on a QB who, in an ideal world, would never see your starting lineup is nuts.
This point is moot. Not everyone can draft the big 3.The very first 2 sentences of this thread: "In this year's draft it seems like after Rodgers, Brady and Brees there are a lot of high-risk QB's that may not be strategically sound to target at their current ADP. I would pair up one player that is a safer pick, and one Risk/Reward type of player."
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Almost every team in 12 team leagues had a shot at one of those those QBs. And you have to add one or two more that were considered to be in that group (like Peyton).'FDC said:
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Rodgers, Brees, Brady -- Manning in '10 and Vick in '11.Plus the ones a particular owner thought would be top 3-5, like Rivers, Romo.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Really? Your complaining about childish retorts?
Hank Mardukas
Footballguy
That is not what a tier is. Tiers are groupings of players with roughly the same projected output. Rodgers and Ryan may both be "fairly reliable every week starters", but no one but the biggest Falcons homer would put those guys in the same tier. Tier 1 QBs this year are Rodgers, Brady, and Brees automatically, plus Cam and Stafford debatably.
Hank Mardukas
Footballguy
If you're drafting at the end of the 1st round you don't have to pass anything up to take Brees, since you get 2 picks. You can take Brees plus best available RB or WR. It's a non-issue. Besides, if the top RBs, TEs, and Mega are all gone, you're automatically taking a QB. You'd have to be a moron to pass up an elite QB for two Tier2 WR/RBs.
