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What's your guess on the chances Michael Vick is on an NFL roster (1 Viewer)

What's your guess on the chances Michael Vick is on an NFL roster in Week 1?

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Joe Bryant

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Simple question - What's your guess on the chances Michael Vick is on an NFL roster in Week 1?

Not whether he should be. Or whether you hate him or love him. The question is whether he'll be on an NFL roster in Week 1?

J

 
There's no way Vick will NOT get picked up by someone. Once he becomes available, there's going to be at LEAST one team -- probably multiple ones -- who are having QB struggles and his athletic talent and previous experience would just be to tempting to resist.

I'm not saying what he did wasn't horrible and horrific. But we all fack up sometimes. He just happened to fack up a LOT worse than most other people do.

People can change. Let's just hope he's truly sorry for what he's done and is ready to get his life turned back around.

But yeah. No way he DOESN'T get signed. No way, no how. 100%.

 
Also, for the people's whose excuses consist of, "Then why has no team shown interest yet?"

Basically, if you were running a team and decided you want Michael Vick, wouldn't you want it to be broken to the public at the LAST possible moment? Why would say, the Bucs come out and say they were interested in Vick now? They'd have PETA camping outside the stadium to stop them from signing him.

Mark my words. As soon as Goodell clears him, it'll be a go. That's more of a hurdle than if a team will sign him, I think. Once he's cleared? I can't believe people don't think he'll be signed. GO WATCH SOME GAME TAPE!

 
He still has to face the Commissioner, who he lied to, and get reinstated. I think he'll get some sort of suspension from Goodell to start the season which might deter a team from signing him until he's served his suspension.

 
Hard to say. What are the chances Jason Campbell or Tony Romo gets hurt in preseason?
You're forgetting like five other teams with potentially shaky (at best) QB situations.
How many of those teams are gonna be in win-now mode due to either a veteran team or job security issues? Oakland (not unless they give up on Russell- unlikely this year)? Carolina (ditto for these guys - Delhomme just signed a big deal) ? Minnesota (If greybeard cant come back...yeah probably)? Buffalo maybe?
 
Hard to say. What are the chances Jason Campbell or Tony Romo gets hurt in preseason?
You're forgetting like five other teams with potentially shaky (at best) QB situations.
How many of those teams are gonna be in win-now mode due to either a veteran team or job security issues? Oakland (not unless they give up on Russell- unlikely this year)? Carolina (ditto for these guys - Delhomme just signed a big deal) ? Minnesota (If greybeard cant come back...yeah probably)? Buffalo maybe?
Yes, no, no, and absolutely no.Buffalo? What? :thumbup:1. Tampa Bay2. Detroit3. St. Louis (Bulger may have taken too many rib-breaking, concussion inducing sacks I'm afraid)4. Oakland5. A team to be named later whose QB goes down due to an injury. If I had to make a prediction of a QB that might get injured this year just because he's due, I would say Philadelphia/McNabb*.*For the record, I actually like McNabb. Just wanted to throw that out there since I've been talking about him getting injured for the past 24 hours non-stop.. Those are off the top of my head, though. I'll look into a few more possible destinations and see if I can find some.
 
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Tampa Bay and Detroit just drafted QBs in round 1 and have first year head coaches. If the QB1 gets hurt they'll just throw in the rookies. They're not going to put in a veteran to create a controversy.

St Louis has a new coach too who isn't likely to face much pressure. Vick is a possibility I suppose - if Bulger goes down they dont have any young replacements and they may see him as a better QB anyway. Ownership situation is up in the air as well.

Oakland are possible because Cable doesn't exactly have security (or make decisions).

If McNabb gets hurt Kolb will step in. Reid isn't going to abandon his 2nd round pick from a couple years ago for Vick.

 
Tampa Bay and Detroit just drafted QBs in round 1 and have first year head coaches. If the QB1 gets hurt they'll just throw in the rookies. They're not going to put in a veteran to create a controversy.St Louis has a new coach too who isn't likely to face much pressure. Vick is a possibility I suppose - if Bulger goes down they dont have any young replacements and they may see him as a better QB anyway. Ownership situation is up in the air as well.Oakland are possible because Cable doesn't exactly have security (or make decisions).If McNabb gets hurt Kolb will step in. Reid isn't going to abandon his 2nd round pick from a couple years ago for Vick.
All of your points are valid, but you forget what quarterback we're talking about here. Regardless of all of the stuff he got in off-the-field, Michael Vick is special. He's a game breaker. While I suppose Vick wouldn't be the ideal veteran you'd want to come in do anything at all close to mentoring your younger QB's, he has the ability to sign with a team for the short-term and make them a competitor. Why does Detroit still have Culpepper around if they drafted Stafford? Just in case he isn't ready. So in the instance that Culpepper is the one at the helm and Vick becomes available -- I dunno, call me crazy -- I think the Lions will jump ALL over him. They lost ALL of their games last year. They really don't have much else to lose.The same with Tampa Bay. They aren't in AS dire a situation as Detroit necessarily, but they have Byron Leftwich waiting in the wings ready to take over should Josh Freeman not be available to do so. Are you telling me the Tampa Bay front office might not take a gamble and roll the dice considering Leftwich isn't exactly in the prime of his career?Yes, he hasn't played in a while and yes, I'm sure they make effect portions of his skill set. But the dude was in prison. He probably bulked up nice and big and could now bring even more things to the table than he once could.St. Louis is mehh -- up in the air. But if that offensive line is anything like it was the past few seasons, I would love to sign a slippery, nimble southpaw QB on to take over if it looked like the season wasn't really going anywhere.Oakland is just Oakland and Al Davis is senile. He may just sign Vick just for the sole reason to know that he signed Vick. I stopped trying to figure what the Raiders organization does a LONG time ago.And Philly was just a throw-out. I doubt that;s goiing to happen. At least I hope not.
 
Leftwich and Culpepper are caretakers. Signing Vick could create a situation where the guy you drafted doesn't see the field for a long time. I don't think they look to make a move which could undermine their first round pick.

 
Leftwich and Culpepper are caretakers. Signing Vick could create a situation where the guy you drafted doesn't see the field for a long time. I don't think they look to make a move which could undermine their first round pick.
And that would be easily avoidable via a short-term contract. It's not like Vick's going to be in the driver's seat in these negotiations or anything...
 
Trying to remember but I think I got it pretty exact- heard someone say the other day "a year ago I wanted something bad for him, to be attacked by a pack of dogs would have worked. I don't care now. It's too long to care now. If the NFL owners wanted him to get a real taste of his medicine they'd have polled the fans a year ago. Instead we all figure he's going to play somewhere so we might as well accept it. What good would fighting it do now? Sure PETA will be outside some stadium but they don't really do anything they're just an organization that makes people aware of things and then the people react. We already know of this one, so what will they do? Vick will be back, just accept it."

I think in general alot of people feel like this guy. Some degree of: Was upset. It's inevitable. Let's just move on.

I just hope the guy figures out he should try another position. If he wants to gain respect quickly (aside from working at a humane society) then play both ways. I'd like to see his blazing speed as an outfielder/safety or see if he can blanket a WR as a CB.

 
Why does Detroit still have Culpepper around if they drafted Stafford? Just in case he isn't ready. So in the instance that Culpepper is the one at the helm and Vick becomes available -- I dunno, call me crazy -- I think the Lions will jump ALL over him. They lost ALL of their games last year. They really don't have much else to lose.The same with Tampa Bay. They aren't in AS dire a situation as Detroit necessarily, but they have Byron Leftwich waiting in the wings ready to take over should Josh Freeman not be available to do so. Are you telling me the Tampa Bay front office might not take a gamble and roll the dice considering Leftwich isn't exactly in the prime of his career?Yes, he hasn't played in a while and yes, I'm sure they make effect portions of his skill set. But the dude was in prison. He probably bulked up nice and big and could now bring even more things to the table than he once could.
Detroit won't be good "like that" and Michael Vick won't bring instantaneous playoff chances. I think Schwarz sees the big picture. He's from the BB and Fisher tree, so more often than not I think of them when trying to figure Schwarz out. If they wouldn't sign Vick then I doubt Schwarz would. Just a theory
 
Why does Detroit still have Culpepper around if they drafted Stafford? Just in case he isn't ready. So in the instance that Culpepper is the one at the helm and Vick becomes available -- I dunno, call me crazy -- I think the Lions will jump ALL over him. They lost ALL of their games last year. They really don't have much else to lose.The same with Tampa Bay. They aren't in AS dire a situation as Detroit necessarily, but they have Byron Leftwich waiting in the wings ready to take over should Josh Freeman not be available to do so. Are you telling me the Tampa Bay front office might not take a gamble and roll the dice considering Leftwich isn't exactly in the prime of his career?Yes, he hasn't played in a while and yes, I'm sure they make effect portions of his skill set. But the dude was in prison. He probably bulked up nice and big and could now bring even more things to the table than he once could.
Detroit won't be good "like that" and Michael Vick won't bring instantaneous playoff chances. I think Schwarz sees the big picture. He's from the BB and Fisher tree, so more often than not I think of them when trying to figure Schwarz out. If they wouldn't sign Vick then I doubt Schwarz would. Just a theory
Ah. Makes sense actually. :confused:
 
Why does Detroit still have Culpepper around if they drafted Stafford? Just in case he isn't ready. So in the instance that Culpepper is the one at the helm and Vick becomes available -- I dunno, call me crazy -- I think the Lions will jump ALL over him. They lost ALL of their games last year. They really don't have much else to lose.The same with Tampa Bay. They aren't in AS dire a situation as Detroit necessarily, but they have Byron Leftwich waiting in the wings ready to take over should Josh Freeman not be available to do so. Are you telling me the Tampa Bay front office might not take a gamble and roll the dice considering Leftwich isn't exactly in the prime of his career?Yes, he hasn't played in a while and yes, I'm sure they make effect portions of his skill set. But the dude was in prison. He probably bulked up nice and big and could now bring even more things to the table than he once could.
Detroit won't be good "like that" and Michael Vick won't bring instantaneous playoff chances. I think Schwarz sees the big picture. He's from the BB and Fisher tree, so more often than not I think of them when trying to figure Schwarz out. If they wouldn't sign Vick then I doubt Schwarz would. Just a theory
Although, you could make the argument that he would bring them better playoff chances than who they currently have could. But I digress. You got me with the BB tree thing. :confused:
 
Not this year, I don't think. He's almost done serving his time, which was an appropriate sentence in my opinion. However, Goodell, still has a say in whether the guy ever plays in the NFL again and I don't imagine he's too happy about being lied to by Vick. I believe 2010 is when Vick will get another opportunity and he'll not be anything like the player he was prior to Federal Prison.

 
I think he will and I don't think it'll be a team with an obvious need at QB.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but it makes more sense for a team like Jacksonville. They have a very good QB and wouldn't be trying to rely on Vick to keep the franchise afloat. I think he needs to go somewhere where he can get about 10 snaps/game in some form of a wildcat to give defenses another look to think about.

Heck, for the money he'll be making (not far from the league minimum, I assume), maybe he'll be returning kicks or something. There are a number of ways I think Vick could help a NFL team this season. I can't see the conventional role of QB being a big part of his role, though.

That's why I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up a Patriot. If there's any franchise that's strong enough and smart enough to take advantage of the opportunity without having it blow up in their face, it's NE.

 
I'd say about 70%+ he'll be on some team by the end of 2009, but I'd put the percentage much lower (<20%) for a week 1 roster spot. I just don't think most NFL GMs are going to feel that desperate during the giddy optimism of training camp to go with this option unless they lose all or at least most of their projected QB depth.

ETA: And I would think he would become available too late in a teams planning and preparation stages to be considered for another position this year.

 
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The reason no teams are saying anything yet is because of the Goodell decision.

This is not complicated. This is all about balance. On one side, you have the positives Vick brings. On the other side of the balance are the negatives that come with Vick.

Clearly there are lots of positives. The guy was a starting QB in the NFL. Some would say he was a very good starting QB. He was able to fill one of the toughest job descriptions in the world: Starting NFL QB.

Clearly, there are lots of negatives. Can he be trusted not to get into trouble again? And even if he was on perfect behavior, there will certainly be negatives with regard to protests and such.

TODAY, any team that says anything good about Vick (much less actually signed him) will face negative press.

And right now with no decision from Goodell, there is ZERO upside to a team taking the brunt of that negative press. They don't get anything positive from Michael Vick saying they'd be interested in signing him. Plus, every team is thinking about the negotiation process if it got to that. When they sit down with agent Joel Segal, they will give the impression that they're terrified of the repercussions signing Vick will bring upon them. Which translates to "we have good reason to offer a low ball salary" It's not complicated.

If Vick is cleared by Goodell, THEN and only then will you start to see teams show their true intentions (and even then they'll be very slanted toward the perception of not wanting to sign him).

J

 
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The reason no teams are saying anything yet is because of the Goodell decision.This is not complicated. This is all about balance. On one side, you have the positives Vick brings. On the other side of the balance are the negatives that come with Vick.Clearly there are lots of positives. The guy was a starting QB in the NFL. Some would say he was a very good starting QB. He was able to fill one of the toughest job descriptions in the world: Starting NFL QB.Clearly, there are lots of negatives. Can he be trusted not to get into trouble again? And even if he was on perfect behavior, there will certainly be negatives with regard to protests and such.TODAY, any team that says anything good about Vick (much less actually signed him) will face negative press.And right now with no decision from Goodell, there is ZERO upside to a team taking the brunt of that negative press. They don't get anything positive from Michael Vick saying they'd be interested in signing him. Plus, every team is thinking about the negotiation process if it got to that. When they sit down with agent Joel Segal, they will give the impression that they're terrified of the repercussions signing Vick will bring upon them. Which translates to "we have good reason to offer a low ball salary" It's not complicated.If Vick is cleared by Goodell, THEN and only then will you start to see teams show their true intentions (and even then they'll be very slanted toward the perception of not wanting to sign him).J
I think the schedule part of all this is the key. Unless some team already has penciled Vick on to their depth chart and possibly has some kind of inside information about where Goodell is going, I just think Vick's July 20th release date is just at a time when teams are not really ready to disrupt the balance of the preparations already going on for the next season. If Vick is on a roster week 1 (which I assume means signed) then he likely was signed by a team where either disaster struck or he was a trivial participant in camp where a team hopes they can work him into a role later in the season. And if this is the case I don't see why Vick's agent wouldn't have him waiting until at least week 1 is over, even if the deal is in place. So absent a team suffering the loses at QB in training camp that turns their attention to Vick, I think nothing happens publicly until after the week 1 hoopla is all over. And I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell made sure this was the case.
 

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