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Wheelhouse - Interesting Stats, Info and Tidbits

Thru Week 5

1. Touchdowns allowed - by team, in order of rank

(passing, rushing) other

blue = allowed more rushing TD than passing TD

1 DEN (1,0)

3 CHI (1,1) INT

3 ATL (0,1) INT, Blk punt

4 BAL (3,1)

4 SD (3,1)

4 KC (2,2)

7 MIN (3,4)

8 NE (4,3) fum

8 CAR (5,3)

8 PIT (6,2)

9 JAC (5,3) punt return

9 SEA (6,2) INT

10 MIA (8,1) INT

10 CIN (3,7)

10 DAL (4,4) kickoff return, INT

10 TB (4,4) punt return, INT

11 NO (8,3)

11 PHI (5,4) 2 fum

11 CLE (6,3) INT, fum

11 WAS (9,2)

11 STL (5,6)

11 NYG (8,3)

11 ARI (5,5) INT

12 BUF (7,4) fum

12 OAK (8,3) fum

13 IND (7,5) kickoff return

13 HOU (8,5)

15 GB (9,5) punt return

15 DET (11,1) INT, fum

16 TEN (7,8) INT

16 NYJ (5,11)

17 SF (10,5) punt return, fum

Allowed 3 or less rushing TD's (opposing RB's for week 6)

0 DEN (L. Jordan)

1 CHI (E. James)

1 ATL (T. Barber)

1 BAL (D. Foster)

1 SD (F. Gore)

1 MIA (L. Washington)

1 DET (W. McGahee)

2 KC (W. Parker)

2 SEA (S. Jackson)

2 PIT (L. Johnson)

2 WAS (T. Henry/White)

3 NE (BYE)

3 CAR (J. Lewis/M. Smith/ M. Anderson)

3 JAC (BYE)

3 CLE (BYE)

3 NYG (W. Dunn)

3 NO (B. Westbrook/Buckhalter)

3 OAK (T. Bell)

Allowed 5 or less passing TD's (opposing QB's for week 6)

0 ATL (E. Manning)

1 DEN (A. Walter)

1 CHI (Leinart)

2 KC (Roethlisberger)

3 SD (A. Smith)

3 BAL (Delhomme)

3 MIN (BYE)

3 CIN (Gradkowski)

4 NE (BYE)

4 DAL (Carr)

4 TB (Palmer)

5 JAC (BYE)

5 CAR (McNair)

5 PHI (Brees)

5 ARI (Grossman)

5 STL (Hasselbeck)

5 NYJ (Harrington)

2. 1st down receptions on 3rd down (leaders)

10 Wayne

9 Coles

9 Harrison

8 Reg. Bush

8 Muhammad

8 I. Bruce

7 Berrian

7 Boldin

7 Chambers

7 Colston

7 Driver

7 B. Edwards

7 Fitzgerald

7 Mason

7 J. Walker

3. TD passes in the 1st half (leaders)

7 Grossman

5 Bulger

5 Hasselbeck

5 McNabb

4 Brady

4 Kitna

4 Leftwich

4 Palmer

4. TD passes in the 2nd half (leaders)

7 E. Manning

6 McNabb

5 Carr

5 P. Manning

4 Brady

3 Frye

3 Leftwich

3 Losman

3 Pennington

3 Rivers

5. QB stat that might only interest me - Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman and Tom Brady have only 12 passing yards lost due to penalty. Charlie Frye leads all QB's with 99 yards lost due to penalty.

6. Yards after the catch leaders (QB's)

803 McNabb

665 Brunell

655 Kitna

651 Brees

644 Favre

593 Bulger

581 A. Smith

552 Leftwich

551 Culpepper

546 B. Johnson

519 Frye

479 Pennington

446 Huard

441 Brady

439 Warner

412 Delhomme

409 Losman

408 Grossman

401 Carr

399 E. Manning

7. Uhhhhh, not good, Stat of the Week - Jake Delhomme has a 17.5% conversion percentage on 3rd down passing plays resulting in a first down. (7 first downs on 40 3rd down attempts) Peyton Manning, on the other hand has a 61.8%

8. They don't call him 1st down Julius for nothing - Julius Jones leads all RB's with 250 yards rushing on first down.

Most rushing yards on first down (leaders)

250 J. Jones

238 S. Jackson

227 C. Taylor

219 W. Parker

219 McGahee

218 Gore

218 F. Taylor

216 T. Bell

207 E. James

9. Interesting stat for those who are fans of Brian Westbrook - I'm thinking his bum knee may have a say in this - Westbrook averages 6.3 yards per carry in attempts 1-10, but only 3.0 yards per carry in attempts 11-20.

10. Yards after catch - receivers (leaders)

284 L. Johnson

255 K. Jones

252 Westbrook

178 G. Jennings

175 S. Jackson

172 Gore

171 Boldin

165 Tomlinson

163 Betts

161 Reg. Williams

160 Coles

160 S. Moss

11. Did you know - Texans WR Andre Johnson is the only WR or RB that is averaging 100+ yards per game?

12. Did you know II - Lions QB Jon Kitna leads all QB's with 121 completions. Kitna also is 2nd in passing yards (1306) behind only Donovan McNabb (1602). This also shows just how dominant McNabb has been.

13. Did you know III - Bears WR Bernard Berrian has had 5 receptions of 40 yards or more. The next closest has only 2 (several are tied with 2)

Going further with Berrian...

Muhsin Muhammad (26) has 7 more receptions than Berrian (19), but Berrian has 79 more yards than Muhammad.

14. The following WR's have at least 300 yards and 25 receptions

442 yards, 32 rec - Harrison

431 yards, 33 rec - Coles

410 yards, 30 rec - A. Johnson

391 yards, 26 rec - Roy Williams

373 yards, 27 rec - Keyshawn

372 yards, 29 rec - Holt

366 yards, 28 rec - Boldin

343 yards, 26 rec - Driver

337 yards, 28 rec - L. Evans

336 yards, 25 rec - Fitzgerald

334 yards, 26 rec - Muhammad

and oh so close...

299 yards, 27 rec - Welker

15. Week 5 players with 10+ targets (consecutive weeks with 10+ targets in parenthesis)

14 L. Evans

13 Owens

12 S. Smith (3)

12 Welker

12 Hakim

11 B. Edwards

11 R. Bush - RB

10 Jennings (2)

10 Chambers (2)

10 Tomlinson - RB

16. Marc Bulger owners, this tidbit is right up your alley - Bulger has thrown for 300 yards or more in 4 of his last 5 games against the Seahawks (week 6 opponent) This includes the playoffs. By the way, the 5th game he had 262 yards).

17. Is Gary Kubiak the difference? - David Carr leads all QB's (min. 30 attempts) with a 108.9 QB rating. He is also completing 73% of his passes.

18. LaMont Jordan owners beware - Justin Fargas has 17 rushing attempts on the season so far. That's not too news worthy, BUT he is averaging 9.0 yards per carry. That's impressive!

19. The amazing Michael Turner - A couple weeks ago I mentioned how good Turner was compared to Shaun Alexander. Well how good is he compared to his teammate LaDainian Tomlinson?

Yards per carry

6.8 Turner

3.8 Tomlinson

Attempts

89 Tomlinson

41 Turner

20+ yard gains

4 Turner

2 Tomlinson

I wouldn't go benching LT for Turner, but wow! If there was ever a situation where you'd want to play both, I wouldn't have that good of an argument against it.

20. In case you wondered - Patriots kicker Stephen Gostkowski has had two FG's blocked and his longest FG this year is only 35 yards. - I'm just sayin'

21. For those who are looking forward to playing Bryant Johnson, this tidbit is for you - Bryant Johnson is averaging 22.7 yards per catch, most of any player with at least 10 recs.

22. Wait a minute - I didn't get a Rex Grossman stat in here yet - Grossman has still only been sacked 4 times this season. Fewest of any QB that has played in 5 games. FWIW, Matt Leinart has been sacked 5 times in only 2 games. Of course it's just a coincidence they play each other this week.

 

[tarheel1unc]

Excellent, Wheelhouse, as usual. Thanks.

 

[Ditka is God]

I think you need to re-visit how #10 came out (YPC avg). Awesome info - THANKS!!!!!

 

[menobrown]

Confused about #10 as well but good stuff. You should be on some fantasy websites payroll.

 

[mbuehner]

-Julius Jones is quietly running the ball really well this season. Anybody who wants to take notes on how to frustrate a potentially excellent running game- pay attention to Dallas. If they had committed themselves to running the ball more and there was no TO factor they might be undefeated. Not just that, but Barber keeps steeling the goalline love, and i've always felt that is a good way to take the fire out of your primary back, especially when Jones has looked better than Barber in short yardage this season. JJ is probably feeling like the ugly duckling right about now.

-Westbrook's production falls off on later carries- but remember those later carries have generally been coming when the Eagles are leading and trying to kill the clock (and everybody knows whats coming). The Eagles running game really has ever only clicked when the threat of the pass was there (the play action run?). This is a team that truly passes to set up the run, if they cant pass they are toast, because they cant line up and run anybody over. Ironically for a RB, this means that Westy's best performances will come during a shootout, not when his team is sitting on a lead like most RBs.

-Thanks for the Bulger tip Wheels. That just cemented my decision to start him over Bledsoe's great matchup. I think Bledsoe will either throw for a huge day or be benched by halftime, and this makes gambling with him less of an attraction.

 

[kupcho1]

Minor quibble: Some of these stats (e.g., Less than 3 rushing TDs allowed) would be much, much, much better served up on a per game basis at least until we're through with the bye weeks.

 

[AcerFC]

I was waiting all day for this

 

[Sidewinder]

...

5. QB stat that might only interest me - Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman and Tom Brady have only 12 passing yards lost due to penalty. Charlie Frye leads all QB's with 99 yards lost due to penalty.

...

Frye - 74 of those were on Cleveland's first play of the season.(14:52) C.Frye pass to B.Edwards for 74 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on CLV-K.Shaffer, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLV 26 - No Play.

Excellent stuff as always.

 

[mac daddy]

On the yards per catch he is including them trotting out to the huddle, any lateral movement during the play, and heading back to the huddle or sideline after the play. Its a measure of how much energy they spend per catch going side to side rather than just up the field.

 

[dgreen]

I think you need to re-visit how #10 came out (YPC avg). Awesome info - THANKS!!!!!

Is it supposed to be yards after catch?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Small Bulger addendum...

He has no INTs in 169 attempts this season. The record (I believe) is 241 by Tom Brady.

 

[valhallan]

6. Yards after the catch leaders (QB's)

803 McNabb

665 Brunell

655 Kitna

651 Brees

This is one of the biggest improvements Brees brings to the Saints over Brooks. Aaron consistently underthrew passes, leaving Horn and Stallworth to get jacked up left and right. Brees is much better at leading the receiver and giving him a chance to make a play.

 

[pantagrapher]

I was waiting all day for this

I used to look forward to Random Shots on Thursday morning. Now it's this.

 

[Ilov80s]

2. 1st down receptions on 3rd down (leaders)10 Wayne9 Coles9 Harrison8 Reg. Bush8 Muhammad8 I. Bruce7 Berrian7 Boldin7 Chambers7 Colston7 Driver7 B. Edwards7 Fitzgerald7 Mason7 J. Walker

Well that certainly speaks volumes of Reggie's value.

 

[brednbuddah]

as always, great stuff. thanks!

did you ever get an answer to, any other RBs besides Leon Washingtion to rush for over 100 yds on the receiving end of a shutout?

edit for clarity.

 

[wraith5]

2. 1st down receptions on 3rd down (leaders)

10 Wayne

9 Coles

9 Harrison

8 Reg. Bush

8 Muhammad

8 I. Bruce

7 Berrian

7 Boldin

7 Chambers

7 Colston

7 Driver

7 B. Edwards

7 Fitzgerald

7 Mason

7 J. Walker

Well that certainly speaks volumes of Reggie's value.

Yeah, both of them.

 

[SSOG]

2. 1st down receptions on 3rd down (leaders)10 Wayne9 Coles9 Harrison8 Reg. Bush8 Muhammad8 I. Bruce7 Berrian7 Boldin7 Chambers7 Colston7 Driver7 B. Edwards7 Fitzgerald7 Mason7 J. Walker

Well that certainly speaks volumes of Reggie's value.

Not really. I mean, if he's been targeted 50 times and has converted 8 of them, then that's pretty darn lousy. I'm not saying that that's the case, I'm just saying if you want to draw any conclusions here, Conversions Per Target would be a better stat to use.I checked the gamelogs and couldn't find 8 3rd-down conversions receiving for Bush, I only found 7, which would still land him on that list... but when you consider that he was thrown to 17 times on 3rd down, that stat becomes remarkably less impressive (41% rate of conversion).To get a basis for comparison, I checked the play-by-play logs of J-Walk. Walker was thrown to 10 times on 3rd down, and converted 7 of them (including two scores), for a 70% success rate.

 

[intrinsic]

love this stuff, but concerning Turner's boosted stats, have you considered when he achieved a lot of this yardage? Am i mistaken in assuming much of it was during garbage tim when games were decided already, possible even 2nd string DEF in play?

 

[Sidewinder]

Not really. I mean, if he's been targeted 50 times and has converted 8 of them, then that's pretty darn lousy. I'm not saying that that's the case, I'm just saying if you want to draw any conclusions here, Conversions Per Target would be a better stat to use.I checked the gamelogs and couldn't find 8 3rd-down conversions receiving for Bush, I only found 7, which would still land him on that list... but when you consider that he was thrown to 17 times on 3rd down, that stat becomes remarkably less impressive (41% rate of conversion).To get a basis for comparison, I checked the play-by-play logs of J-Walk. Walker was thrown to 10 times on 3rd down, and converted 7 of them (including two scores), for a 70% success rate.

Solid points, but not sure comparing a RB to a WR has much validity here. One would presume that the WR is going to be beyond the first down marker an overwhelming majority of the time, while most often the RB is going to be a check-down well short of the first down point -- basically just the QB saying, "no one else is open, try and make something out of this". Obviously none of this is absolute, but from seeing all the Saints games, off the top of my head, Bush has been targeted beyond the line of scrimmage less than 10 times.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

7. Uhhhhh, not good, Stat of the Week - Jake Delhomme has a 17.5% conversion percentage on 3rd down passing plays resulting in a first down. (7 first downs on 40 3rd down attempts) Peyton Manning, on the other hand has a 61.8%

I definitely believe that--his overall numbers don't seem horrible but this is exactly why he's been a fantasy bust. It's frustrating as hell watching the live scoring with this guy right now, just when you see Carolina get the ball back it seems like Jake couldn't convert on 3rd down and they're punting again...

Awesome work Wheelhouse....

 

[wilson2112]

7. Uhhhhh, not good, Stat of the Week - Jake Delhomme has a 17.5% conversion percentage on 3rd down passing plays resulting in a first down. (7 first downs on 40 3rd down attempts) Peyton Manning, on the other hand has a 61.8% I definitely believe that--his overall numbers don't seem horrible but this is exactly why he's been a fantasy bust. It's frustrating as hell watching the live scoring with this guy right now, just when you see Carolina get the ball back it seems like Jake couldn't convert on 3rd down and they're punting again...Awesome work Wheelhouse....

And another potential reason as to why the Carolina defense isn't performing as they were expected to. The offense isn't converting third downs on a good level. If this get's better, then perhaps the defense can expect to have better results. My $0.02.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Excellent info

Need to take bye weeks into consideration though. For instance, ATL and DEN Ds look a little better cause they played 1 less game. Factors into the other stats as well.

 

[Birdie048]

Allowed 3 or less rushing TD's (opposing RB's for week 6)

0 DEN (L. Jordan)

1 CHI (E. James)

1 ATL (T. Barber)

1 BAL (D. Foster)

1 SD (F. Gore)

1 MIA (L. Washington)

1 DET (W. McGahee)

2 KC (W. Parker)

2 SEA (S. Jackson)

2 PIT (L. Johnson)

2 WAS (T. Henry/White)

3 NE (BYE)

3 CAR (J. Lewis/M. Smith/ M. Anderson)

3 JAC (BYE)

3 CLE (BYE)

3 NYG (W. Dunn)

3 NO (B. Westbrook/Buckhalter)

3 OAK (T. Bell)

This is my nightmare RB Matchup week...I have to pick 3 of the following:

Oak L Jordan

SF Gore

Arz Edge

Phil Westbrook

Other than looking at the matchups, I have a solid RB corp.

Love the report!

 

[SSOG]

Not really. I mean, if he's been targeted 50 times and has converted 8 of them, then that's pretty darn lousy. I'm not saying that that's the case, I'm just saying if you want to draw any conclusions here, Conversions Per Target would be a better stat to use.I checked the gamelogs and couldn't find 8 3rd-down conversions receiving for Bush, I only found 7, which would still land him on that list... but when you consider that he was thrown to 17 times on 3rd down, that stat becomes remarkably less impressive (41% rate of conversion).To get a basis for comparison, I checked the play-by-play logs of J-Walk. Walker was thrown to 10 times on 3rd down, and converted 7 of them (including two scores), for a 70% success rate.

Solid points, but not sure comparing a RB to a WR has much validity here. One would presume that the WR is going to be beyond the first down marker an overwhelming majority of the time, while most often the RB is going to be a check-down well short of the first down point -- basically just the QB saying, "no one else is open, try and make something out of this". Obviously none of this is absolute, but from seeing all the Saints games, off the top of my head, Bush has been targeted beyond the line of scrimmage less than 10 times.

That's absolutely true, but what I'm saying is that by sheer quantity alone we'd expect him to get 8 first downs. I mean, if a runningback is thrown to 17 times on 3rd down, I'd hope he'd be able to convert at least 7 of them, or else why are you even bothering to throw to him? I'm just saying that those conversions are a lot less impressive when taken in context.

 

[Sidewinder]

Not really. I mean, if he's been targeted 50 times and has converted 8 of them, then that's pretty darn lousy. I'm not saying that that's the case, I'm just saying if you want to draw any conclusions here, Conversions Per Target would be a better stat to use.

I checked the gamelogs and couldn't find 8 3rd-down conversions receiving for Bush, I only found 7, which would still land him on that list... but when you consider that he was thrown to 17 times on 3rd down, that stat becomes remarkably less impressive (41% rate of conversion).

To get a basis for comparison, I checked the play-by-play logs of J-Walk. Walker was thrown to 10 times on 3rd down, and converted 7 of them (including two scores), for a 70% success rate.

Solid points, but not sure comparing a RB to a WR has much validity here. One would presume that the WR is going to be beyond the first down marker an overwhelming majority of the time, while most often the RB is going to be a check-down well short of the first down point -- basically just the QB saying, "no one else is open, try and make something out of this". Obviously none of this is absolute, but from seeing all the Saints games, off the top of my head, Bush has been targeted beyond the line of scrimmage less than 10 times.

That's absolutely true, but what I'm saying is that by sheer quantity alone we'd expect him to get 8 first downs. I mean, if a runningback is thrown to 17 times on 3rd down, I'd hope he'd be able to convert at least 7 of them, or else why are you even bothering to throw to him? I'm just saying that those conversions are a lot less impressive when taken in context.

I understand what you are saying, but don't necessarily agree that the sheer number of 3rd down targets equates to a high total of conversions for a running back. For a RB to convert, it's going to be highly dependent on 3 things: the 3rd down distance for a first, where the QB gets him the ball relative to that, and the RB's ability to make something happen. Many times it is just a matter of the QB dumping the ball hoping to get some positive yards, with a big bonus if the RB can get the first down. Two perfect examples of thatin last week's Saints vs Tampa game: a 3rd and 20 dump off to Bush gained 9, and a 3rd and 12 gained 4. Neither passes were beyond the l.o.s. A WR is almost always going to be beyond the first down marker on a 3rd down play. I would be very surprised if a running back ever had a conversion % anywhere close to a WR.Just for grins, here are the numbers for some of the other players listed (my numbers differ in some cases):

Wayne: 10 first downs on 15 3rd down targets (66.7%)

Harrison: 9 on 15 (60.0%)

Coles: 9 on 13 (69.2%)

Bush: 8 on 20 (40.0%)

Muhammad: 8 on 11 (72.7%)

Bruce: 8 on 14 (57.1%)

Boldin: 8 on 14 (57.1%)

Colston: 7 on 13 (53.8%)

Walker: 7 on 10 (70.0%) your numbers

The key missing stat is the 3rd down conversion rate for some other running backs. I'll see if I can run some of those tonight.

 

[Wheelhouse]

as always, great stuff. thanks!did you ever get an answer to, any other RBs besides Leon Washingtion to rush for over 100 yds on the receiving end of a shutout?edit for clarity.

Still looking... it's hard to find shutouts and then the game logs for them.

 

[Wheelhouse]

as always, great stuff. thanks!did you ever get an answer to, any other RBs besides Leon Washingtion to rush for over 100 yds on the receiving end of a shutout?edit for clarity.

Still looking... it's hard to find shutouts and then the game logs for them.

Ahman Green had 110 rushing yards in week one's shutout loss to Chicago. So not only has it happened before, it happened this year, TWICE.

 

[hector31]

Somehow I missed this post last week. I have to learn to get on some email alert system when Wheels brings the goods. I love this weekly feature.

 

[SickThing]

Somehow I missed this post last week. I have to learn to get on some email alert system when Wheels brings the goods. I love this weekly feature.

Just use the search page to check for titles only; "Wheelhouse stats". Not only will you quickly see this weeks, but past weeks also. Seems like he always posts these on Thursdays.