Not a psychologist and not trying to make excuses for the guy, but it seems like after he won the Super Bowl emotional high to losing his coach and a second father in Terry Hoeppner, his life went down hill? Has he been trying to figure a way to cope with the circumstance and hasn't found someone to reach out to? In his first two or three years he seemed like a guy that was of high moral character and without any major flaws. Rich Eisen said that when he interviewed Ben in his rookie season it seemed like Roethlisberger had It meaning very mature for his age and that he didn't seem like he would be getting into the kind of trouble he has gotten him into lately. In fact Roethlisberger reminds me a little of Iron Mike after Tyson lost his trainer and a second father his life spiraled out of control.
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When did Roethlisberger's life go down hill? (1 Viewer)
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Avery
Footballguy
What makes you think that?Ben said about himself in 2009:
Given where his cocky nature is now, if he looks back and sees a cocky guy back then, I'm not sure he's even been a guy with "high moral character".
Cassius
Footballguy
How does being cocky have anything to do with morality?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
How could any one of us possibly answer this?
I can't even figure out when MY life went downhill.
I can't even figure out when MY life went downhill.
Avery
Footballguy
Doesn't. Probably over-reached on the connection.It only points to a general attitude that this doesn't seem to indicate a fall from grace but rather an exposure of the person he is that seems to be the same immature person he was.
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Cha ching!Roethlisberger attended Miami University (OH) who is known for having some pretty fine ladies. popcrunch.com rated them as the 16th hottest college student body in the college in 2009.Seems like he misses it here....
and Terry Hoeppner R.I.P
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Honestly just think he hasn't grown up from his college days. Given the position he's in, that's not surprising. Unless one has a solid group of friends with normal lives around him or gets married, has kids, and settles down, how is he supposed to learn when there's few people around you that can be trusted? He's going to go out and party like he did the last time he was normal. That combined with the sense of entitlement that can come from having tons of money and people around you doing what you say can lead to situations like this.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I think he's media savvy, but very immature. He was good at selling a wholesome, good-guy image -- but for all we know he was never like that. He knows how to say the right things, generally, when a microphone is in front of him.
However, put some tequila and college tail in front of him and it all flies out the window.
However, put some tequila and college tail in front of him and it all flies out the window.
jurrassic
Footballguy
This. Ben is a good qb but he seems like a jack###. Two sex scandals in 18 months? Where there is smoke there is fire. He's seems like one of those "Do you know who I am?" guys. I also find it interesting how over the past 6 months so many journalists have reported on how he isn't exactly the most respected guy in his locker room or in the league. He may just be a jack###.Mello said:
OMG! Ponies!
Footballguy
March 2nd, 1982
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
When did you become a Raider fan?Raider Nation said:
I was thinking that same thing.
jonessed
Footballguy
He's immature, egocentric, wealthy, and not exceptionally bright. I really don't think his actions are all that odd for someone like that. What I find a bit more surprising is that he hasn't surrounded himself with people that can better protect him from himself.
Unfortunately for the Steelers if he didn't learn his lesson with the motorcyle accident I don't think he ever will. This is going to be a career long struggle for both of them.
Unfortunately for the Steelers if he didn't learn his lesson with the motorcyle accident I don't think he ever will. This is going to be a career long struggle for both of them.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
The annoying thing to me is that Ben has not even been CHARGED with a crime in either case, let alone convicted. In the first case, the accuser was TOTALLY discredited (even the civil suit was dropped like a hot potato after the facts starting coming out), but the accusation still lingers and is basically counted against him anyway. So this second girl makes a similar accusation, and because of the first case - no matter HOW ridiculous it was, people automatically assume that he's guilty of a crime. Makes no sense.
It's also a bit of a viscous cycle. Once an accusation like that gets out there, you become even more of a target than you were before (like all pro athletes are). If I'm a skank looking to the play the game and get paid, who am I going to target, Peyton Manning with his sterling reputation, or Big Ben who everyone thinks is a scumbag anyway? I'm not saying this second girl is necessarily some skank looking to score, I'm saying that there ARE skanks out there looking to score, and Ben is now a prime target for them. Huge money, questionable decision-making and/or willpower, and a built-in bad reputation sure to influence anyone's opinion of a given situation.
Ben is no saint. He chases tail, is apparently arrogant, and has made some REALLY dumb decisions off the field. He obviously shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with. Grow up and be a man already. But none of those things is a crime. People need to realize that.
It's also a bit of a viscous cycle. Once an accusation like that gets out there, you become even more of a target than you were before (like all pro athletes are). If I'm a skank looking to the play the game and get paid, who am I going to target, Peyton Manning with his sterling reputation, or Big Ben who everyone thinks is a scumbag anyway? I'm not saying this second girl is necessarily some skank looking to score, I'm saying that there ARE skanks out there looking to score, and Ben is now a prime target for them. Huge money, questionable decision-making and/or willpower, and a built-in bad reputation sure to influence anyone's opinion of a given situation.
Ben is no saint. He chases tail, is apparently arrogant, and has made some REALLY dumb decisions off the field. He obviously shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with. Grow up and be a man already. But none of those things is a crime. People need to realize that.
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Copeman
Footballguy
Most people won't have none of this in todays media driven society.
Good thing you added the words "for the most part" before the Tiger Woods and Jesse James posts started flying!
jurrassic
Footballguy
I'm not suggesting they are crimes, however the second sexual assault case could be argued. I merely stated the guy comes off like a scumbag, whether he is or not. You make some very valid and fair points. However, as others have stated, if you know you are going to be a target why put yourself in those positions? People can aruge that he justs wants to go out and have fun, but the reality is he needs to be smart about it. I don't know if he has the capacity to do that.
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Traders2001
Footballguy
When it s three times in a year that he is not convicted there is a problem ( He buys them out ) but one of those days he will pay for his crimes .Everyone believing he has nt done anything his as sick as Ben .MIKE VICK IS A ANGEL COMPARED TO BEN ( What Vick did is nothing compared to what Ben has done three or more times already and look at what they did to Vick , Sorry i forgot Vick is nt a 6' 5'' WHITE QB that probably makes a big difference )
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
This is probably incorrect. He went wrong by his parents failing to teach him right from wrong. Unfortunate, but I think his parents are alot like other parents today, and they choose to rather teach him about trying to succeed, rather than be a good, kind person. Awful parents.Traders2001 said:
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I don't really want to get sucked into this, but I'm just curious. What did Ben do three or more times in the last year, and who did he "buy out"?We can be fairly certain he had sex with at least two women in the last year and a half. The rest of these facts you are going to have to fill me in on. I must have missed something, can you please provide specifics?By the way, I defended a 5'11" (probably wouldn't have defended him if he was 5'10" though - so height is COMPLETELY relevant here
) Santonio Holmes against the same rush to judgment. He's battling Ben for moron of the year, but I'm not totally convinced he criminally assaulted that fine young woman at the bar.
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Comer
Footballguy
Sounds like the DA wanted to charge him but,since the girl was so drunk and could not remember anything his hands were tied. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.
Comer
Footballguy
It would have to get really really really bad for Pittsburgh to trade him or get an insane offer.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I've heard that smoke/fire thing a lot recently. I'm glad our criminal justice system doesn't adhere to that strict standard to determine guilt or innocence.Suppose I said you committed a crime against me (pick your favorite one) about a year ago. Then some other person says that you committed that same crime against them. We should just assume you are guilty of that crime right? But let's further say my original claim against you was found to be COMPLETELY without merit by any sane observer. But we just still assume your are guilty of this new crime and conveniently forget that my original claim was out and out BS. Right? There's definitely some smoke, gotta be fire.Again, what Ben did may have been immoral, and it may make him a scumbag, but there has never been ANY significant evidence that he did anything illegal. If there was, he'd have been at least charged. I'd buy off more on the smoke/fire thing if the guy had been at least CHARGED with a crime. There's been one woman who was an obvious liar and schemer who made a claim against him with a ton of evidence to support that it WASN'T true, and one claim by a drunk girl who doesn't remember much who has no evidence to support it WAS true. That's the extent of our body of knowledge supporting Ben R is a serial rapist, which many around here imply.The DA didn't charge Ben because there was no evidence. We also have no evidence that DA "wanted" to charge Ben. We can assume that the DA thinks Ben was an #####, but we already knew that in this situation.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
nothing but a hunch, but we may be closer to that than a lot of people think.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
What sort of numbers would BR put up with Fitz? He's never had a WR like that before.
Comer
Footballguy
What option? insane offer? or Pittsburgh has to get him out of town ACP?I am not a Pittsburgh fan and I have always dislike BR but, I would be stunned to see him out of PIT
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Must be the "tall" part because Kobe did the same thing as Ben (for all we know) and people moved on (including his wife).
Don't underestimate the anger felt by the Steelers office and the emotions of the Pittsburgh fanbase. Many of the fans I have spoken with would just assume they cut him, let alone find good trade value. Obviously I don't think they would cut him, but they could trade him for just about anything and many fans would be proud.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
but isn't that true with 99.99999% of the male population anyhow??Ben is young and loaded with $$$$....we all know guys in their 20's that are all about parties and hot girls and 'scoring'.
I don't see Ben as any different than any other red blooded male on the planet...
Ksquared
Footballguy
But this is where the "we all did it" line of argument goes out the window. How many of us were equivalent to the CEO of a very large local company at this age? Ben is not just one of the "common" workers that would lose their job by bringing a lot of negative attention to a local company (in this case the Pittsburgh Steelers). He is the face of that company. Part of these athletes getting these big $$ now, is there is an expectation that their behavior will only bring a "positive" light to their company/franchise.but isn't that true with 99.99999% of the male population anyhow??Ben is young and loaded with $$$$....we all know guys in their 20's that are all about parties and hot girls and 'scoring'.
I don't see Ben as any different than any other red blooded male on the planet...
Bottom line, whether we think it is somewhat normal for a single late 20's guy to go chasing after women in bars - how many of us think it would be ok for the leaders in your local community to do this? Because that is what the starting QB in the NFL for most franchises.
