When to look LB in Startup Draft? (1 Viewer)

[lemmi]

I'll be doing my first IDP dynasty start up draft in a few weeks.

12 team with ppr and your typical offensive scoring (.1 or rush/rec yd, 6pt tds, etc).

On the def side, we get 1.5 for solo tackle and .75 for an assist.

At what point should I start looking at LB's in the draft.

From the scoring, a LB could post anywhere from 15-20pts which to me, is pretty significant.

I was thinking around 5th or 6th.

Is that too early or should I wait and let someone else burn early picks on the top guys and start a couple rounds later?

 

[TBam]

I'll be doing my first IDP dynasty start up draft in a few weeks.12 team with ppr and your typical offensive scoring (.1 or rush/rec yd, 6pt tds, etc).On the def side, we get 1.5 for solo tackle and .75 for an assist.At what point should I start looking at LB's in the draft. From the scoring, a LB could post anywhere from 15-20pts which to me, is pretty significant.I was thinking around 5th or 6th.Is that too early or should I wait and let someone else burn early picks on the top guys and start a couple rounds later?

It all depends on when/if you want Willis or Beason, I could see some of them going as early as round 3-4 especially in Dynasty

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I'll be doing my first IDP dynasty start up draft in a few weeks.12 team with ppr and your typical offensive scoring (.1 or rush/rec yd, 6pt tds, etc).On the def side, we get 1.5 for solo tackle and .75 for an assist.At what point should I start looking at LB's in the draft. From the scoring, a LB could post anywhere from 15-20pts which to me, is pretty significant.I was thinking around 5th or 6th.Is that too early or should I wait and let someone else burn early picks on the top guys and start a couple rounds later?

This is totally dependent on the other owners in your league. If you think you are more knowledgeable about IDPs then the other owners in your league, then you can probably wait and get the same caliber IDPs 2-3 rounds later than they can. If you all have the same relative knowledge, then that is different and probably impossible to answer specifically without knowing the numbers of starters at each IDP spot.

 

[lemmi]

Don't really know any of the owners so it's tough to tell. I would assume relatively the same level knowledge for the thread.

Starters are as follows:

2 DT/DE, 2LB, 2DB and 3 flex (at most you can start 4 of any position).

With the capability of starting upto 4LB's in any given week, I could see the top guys moving as high as the 4th round.

If that's the case, I'd prefer to wait and stock up on missed RB/WR talent and grab some LB's (Harris, Tulloch, Vilma etc) a couple rounds later.

Or, with scoring/lineup, are one of the top guys an essential piece to a start up team?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Don't really know any of the owners so it's tough to tell. I would assume relatively the same level knowledge for the thread.Starters are as follows:2 DT/DE, 2LB, 2DB and 3 flex (at most you can start 4 of any position).With the capability of starting upto 4LB's in any given week, I could see the top guys moving as high as the 4th round.If that's the case, I'd prefer to wait and stock up on missed RB/WR talent and grab some LB's (Harris, Tulloch, Vilma etc) a couple rounds later.Or, with scoring/lineup, are one of the top guys an essential piece to a start up team?

In my opinion, Willis is the clear #1 dynasty LB and Beason is the clear #2. After those 2, there are about 8-10 that are relatively close. You may disagree, but the point is you can probably get 2 of these without being among the owners to take them early. With you not knowing the owners, I would probably go after offense until some of the LBs start getting drafted...then you can grab 1-2 if you want. The best use of having LBs (or other positions) in the same relative tiers is to let others take some and then you take yours later, as long as you can get the ones in that tier. That is different if you want Willis or Beason and the problem is you don't know the other owners and have no idea where they would go. That increases the chance that you could reach for them. I would also try to get one of the stud DEs (Allen, Williams, Cole, Tuck are in my top tier, yours may be different). I would probably not be the first to take a DE. I would also let DB go until late. They are very easy to get and you only need 2.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Though I strongly agree that the answer is dependent on things like scoring system and lineup size, let's try to keep this thread as general as possible, so it's of help for everyone. Those who would like advice specific to their situation should post a detailed advice request thread in the IDP AC Forum.

There are some general thoughts in our recently re-recorded IDP 201 podcast that might be worth a listen if you're interested in those shows.

Generally speaking, the owner who wants to draft the top linebacker will generally reach for that player around the 4th round, sometimes as early as the 3rd, rarely as late as the 6th. That holds true in almost any scoring system and regardless of the number of IDPs in the lineup. If you decide that Patrick Willis carries so much relative advantage that you must have him, you'll need to start considering him around the end of the third round and decide how long you think he'll slide.

After the first 1-3 linebackers come off the board, there's very often a lull until the 7th-9th round before the next run of linebackers starts.

It's cliche, but the best way to approach this is to take value in the draft where it's presented to you.

***If you're in an inexperienced league and feel you'll be able to get plenty of value throughout the IDP positions late in your draft, you can slough the linebacker position until 10-15 go off the board and leverage your knowledge into grabbing a bunch of LB2+ talent after you've exhausted every offensive value on the board.

***If you're in a league that starts just a handful of players and the points for IDPs aren't significant, you can definitely be one of the last few to grab an IDP, again assuming there's value to be had at other positions.

***If you're in a strong league with knowledgeable owners and a solid scoring system and lineups, then you'll need to have a very strong idea of where you think the linebacker tiers break out. In this situation, you don't necessarily have to start the linebacker run, but you don't want to be caught on the wrong side of it either.

 

[lemmi]

Good stuff - thanks guys.

I plan on downloading the new podcasts tonight.

From what I've learned, the guys in the league have all played FFL while, most have done dynasty and a few have done IDP Dynasty.

This is my first so I may be behind the curve on some of the stuff.

I actually like the idea of letting the top guys go early and start to look at LB's around the 7th-9th.

That being said, if someone like Beason or Willis, as unlikely as it seems, falls to the 6th, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger there.

 

[gandalas]

For an example this season, our league which is drafting right now, and has fairly decent DEF scoring (21 LBs in top-100 overall last season):

Here were the defensive picks:

6.07 57. Franchise 4 Willis, Patrick SFO LB

6.09 59. Team Pidgeonmen Beason, Jon CAR LB

7.09 69. Columbus Destroyers Posluszny, Paul BUF LB

8.02 72. Columbus Destroyers Ruud, Barrett TBB LB

8.03 73. The Wildcats Laurinaitis, James STL LB

8.04 74. The Big Sexys Williams, DJ DEN LB

9.02 82. Rhino Virus Lofton, Curtis ATL LB

10.01 91. Rhino Virus McClain, Rolando OAK LB

10.02 92. Columbus Destroyers Levy, DeAndre DET LB

10.03 93. The Wildcats Allen, Jared MIN DE (FIRST DL)

10.09 99. Stubby's Scrubs Cushing, Brian HOU LB

11.07 107. The Big Sexys Harris, David NYJ LB

11.08 108. The Wildcats Mayo, Jerod NEP LB

11.10 110. Rhino Virus Tulloch, Stephen TEN LB

12.01 111. Rhino Virus Cole, Trent PHI DE

12.08 118. Team Pidgeonmen Vilma, Jonathan NOS LB

12.10 120. Crown Royals Morrison, Kirk JAC LB

13.05 125. Human Beings Suggs, Terrell BAL DE

13.07 127. The Big Sexys Jackson, D'Qwell CLE LB

13.08 128. The Wildcats Dansby, Karlos MIA LB

14.06 136. Human Beings Davis, Thomas CAR LB

14.08 138. Team Pidgeonmen Washington, Daryl ARI LB

15.05 145. Human Beings Tuck, Justin NYG DE

16.05 155. Scooby Hayes, Geno TBB LB

16.07 157. Franchise 4 Branch, Tyvon OAK SFirst DB

16.10 160. Crown Royals Ware, Demarcus DAL LB

17.01 161. Crown Royals Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique ARI CB first CB - did not understand this pick

17.02 162. Stubby's Scrubs Pollard, Bernard HOU S

17.04 164. Franchise 4 Hawthorne, David SEA LB

17.07 167. The Big Sexys Weddle, Eric SDC S

17.09 169. Columbus Destroyers Delmas, Louis DET S

17.10 170. Rhino Virus Maualuga, Rey CIN LB

18.01 171. Rhino Virus Harper, Roman NOS S

18.02 172. Columbus Destroyers Berry, Eric KCC S

18.03 173. The Wildcats Bell, Yeremiah MIA S

So there is all that have been taken so far.

I went early and often on LB, and ended up with:

Paul Puz (I see top-5 if healthy all season)

Barrett Ruud (Gotta love those 2 new DTs)

DeAndre Levy (a little wary over him, but I love the opportunity)

and then back to back Safeties:

Louis Delmas (Young Safety with top-5 potential)

Eric Berry (Couldn't resist - if Mike Brown did that well last year, imagine what this kid will do!)