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Where are you drafting Ricky Williams (1 Viewer)
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T Bell
Footballguy
He probably should be drafted as a RB2, but if you're drafting in the very near future, before the word really gets out, he may be an outstanding RB3 pick for a lot of teams.
MAC_32
Footballguy
RB's on bad offenses are typically ones to avoid, Sticky's age doesn't seem to match Miami's rebuilding plan (I fear he loses the job midseason), and he is over 30 years old.
The whole RB situation in Miami seems like a mess now, I wouldn't touch either until the 9th or 10th round - neither should be available.
The whole RB situation in Miami seems like a mess now, I wouldn't touch either until the 9th or 10th round - neither should be available.
raven1911
Footballguy
biggamer3
Footballguy
If Chad is starting we can expect many passes because he cant reach the receivers!
bcr8f
Footballguy
Ronnie Brown did pretty well last year and they are better now. I liked getting him in the 9th and 11th, but the 4th is too early for me. I take him as my 3rd RB.
mchaps55
Footballguy
The Dolphins are not going to be as bad as everyone thinks. The o-line is greatly improved and R. Williams said the line is better then the one that helped him rush for 1800+ yards. Ginn is showing nice things and they have something stable at QB. I'm not saying playoffs but i don't think 8-8 is to far off. They lost alot of close games last season and I expect parcells and company to get this thing in the right direction. 1-15 isn't going to take place and the same can be said about 3-13.That being said I got him in 8th rd in my local 12 team ppr league.
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bcr8f
Footballguy
He may. He went in the 7th in a league yesterday. In others he's been going in the 4th and 5th.6.03 63. Forte, Matt CHI RB Tue Aug 19 12:31:28 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.05 65. Jones, Felix DAL RB Tue Aug 19 1:08:39 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.08 68. Johnson, Chris TEN RB Tue Aug 19 1:30:51 p.m. ET 20086.09 69. Brown, Ronnie MIA RB Tue Aug 19 1:30:51 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.12 72. Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB Tue Aug 19 1:39:16 p.m. ET 20087.05 77. Williams, Ricky MIA RB Tue Aug 19 1:59:29 p.m. ET 20087.06 78. Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB Tue Aug 19 1:59:29 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List7.07 79. White, LenDale TEN RB Tue Aug 19 2:19:47 p.m. ET 20088.09 93. Taylor, Fred JAC RB Tue Aug 19 8:25:22 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List9.03 99. Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB Tue Aug 19 9:19:59 p.m. ET 20089.08 104. Rice, Ray BAL RB Wed Aug 20 9:44:26 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List
Alias
Footballguy
OU is at 5.5 I believe
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Ricky is not a guy you want to depend on as your starter. He may surprise A BIT, but he is not likely to end the season as the number one in Miami; Brown will, at the very least, be splitting time by midseason.
I wouldn't touch him as anything more than a RB4 in a twelve team league.
I wouldn't touch him as anything more than a RB4 in a twelve team league.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I get that, they had a quality line last year too; just no one to run behind it once Ronnie tore up his knee. It's been proven RB's on teams with poor QB play suffer statistically, I think the Fins have one of the worst passing games in the league. Couple that with the fact that we really don't know who is going to be the featured back (if there will even be one, which I am beginning to doubt) and you have RB3-like production with little upside at best. I think there are better risks to take.
gregjcross
Footballguy
This is due to C Samson Satele (future pro bowler) and OT Jake Long. Some emerging OGs as well. They will move the ball.
T Bell
Footballguy
Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMO
Zoomanji
Footballguy
Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMO
T Bell
Footballguy
Your turn, Sparky.Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMO
Alias
Footballguy
heheYour turn, Sparky.Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMO
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
his APG has sky rocketed last two days! That I do know. So has Chris Perry as I am in middle of many drafts. If you want Riki your gonna have to get him 6th. Up from 10th last week!
If you want Perry no later then mid 8th it looks like from drafts yesterday!
Ronnie is falling as is Rudi! Harrison is climbing like crazy even going in 3rd places now.
Slayton and Royal two others moveing up like nuts. SLAYTON even went before
Chris Johnson last night. I havn;t got my hands on any of them yet as owners are making huge reaches every draft of mine over current ADP!
If you want Perry no later then mid 8th it looks like from drafts yesterday!
Ronnie is falling as is Rudi! Harrison is climbing like crazy even going in 3rd places now.
Slayton and Royal two others moveing up like nuts. SLAYTON even went before
Chris Johnson last night. I havn;t got my hands on any of them yet as owners are making huge reaches every draft of mine over current ADP!
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I am trying to avoid the situation, unless it's the 7th round or beyond and one of them is clearly the best value left on the board.
I took Ronnie Brown at the end of the 6th and then took Ricky in the 8th of a ten team league. Once I took Brown, I felt like I had to take Ricky. I've been thinking it's going to be Ricky in the beginning of the season then Ronnie takes over in the middle of the year? They are also my 4th and 5th RB's, I don't think I'd feel comfortable with either being more than a RB3.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
While I agree with you that Williams will wind up being the more productive back this season, there hasn't been any guarantee of that yet.Your turn, Sparky.Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMO
I think most of us are making a gut call with this based on Brown's current condition, but that could change just as easily. I got him very late in a draft because my leaguemates were simply avoiding the Dolphins running game. Brown went only a few rounds ahead of him. I'm up with the adage that it will be easier for Williams to outperform his ADP than Brown to live up to his. That Williams is the starting RB in preseason doesn't mean that Brown won't get it back when his thumb's better. We're all speculating here.
This 'Ronnie will take over midseason' stuff is a little mind boggling.
Ricky has without a doubt been the best player in camp, certainly way ahead of Brown. Everyone that has seen him has said so much. Only issue with Ricky is failing a drug test, but I think that is as likely as any other RB getting injured.
Ricky has without a doubt been the best player in camp, certainly way ahead of Brown. Everyone that has seen him has said so much. Only issue with Ricky is failing a drug test, but I think that is as likely as any other RB getting injured.
FFdork
Footballguy
My problem with Ricky and Ronnie at this point is how much variance there is where they are drafted. To really feel safe you'd need them both, and as the responses in this thread show, you'd have to use some pretty early picks to insure getting them both.
At this point, I'd draft either one if he fell late in the draft (round 10 or later), but given all the depth I see, there's no way I'm taking Ricky in the 5th based on a preseason depth chart. I've been getting Calvin Johson in the 5th. If I could guarantee getting them both with something like my 7th and 8th round picks, you could build a draft plan around that, but there are still people spending a 3rd rounder on Brown.
This situation feels just like Cinci to me: highly subject to change. If you get someone deep in the draft great, but having to overpay to get two guys that could end up in a full blown RBBC for all we know just isn't working for me.
At this point, I'd draft either one if he fell late in the draft (round 10 or later), but given all the depth I see, there's no way I'm taking Ricky in the 5th based on a preseason depth chart. I've been getting Calvin Johson in the 5th. If I could guarantee getting them both with something like my 7th and 8th round picks, you could build a draft plan around that, but there are still people spending a 3rd rounder on Brown.
This situation feels just like Cinci to me: highly subject to change. If you get someone deep in the draft great, but having to overpay to get two guys that could end up in a full blown RBBC for all we know just isn't working for me.
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Zoomanji
Footballguy
I guess the KFFL's writer's opinion is more accurate than mine. I don't blame you for trusting him over me. I"m a nobody and he writes fantasy articles.Scotty already said the restWhile I agree with you that Williams will wind up being the more productive back this season, there hasn't been any guarantee of that yet.Your turn, Sparky.Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMOI think most of us are making a gut call with this based on Brown's current condition, but that could change just as easily. I got him very late in a draft because my leaguemates were simply avoiding the Dolphins running game. Brown went only a few rounds ahead of him. I'm up with the adage that it will be easier for Williams to outperform his ADP than Brown to live up to his. That Williams is the starting RB in preseason doesn't mean that Brown won't get it back when his thumb's better. We're all speculating here.
Calvin Johnson went in the 3rd in my 10 team draft. 2 weeks ago he went in the 3rd of a 12 teamer. He's really been going early these days.
T Bell
Footballguy
That's a different tune than your "dumfounded" remarks that started this whole exchange.I guess the KFFL's writer's opinion is more accurate than mine. I don't blame you for trusting him over me. I"m a nobody and he writes fantasy articles.Scotty already said the restWhile I agree with you that Williams will wind up being the more productive back this season, there hasn't been any guarantee of that yet.Your turn, Sparky.Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMOI think most of us are making a gut call with this based on Brown's current condition, but that could change just as easily. I got him very late in a draft because my leaguemates were simply avoiding the Dolphins running game. Brown went only a few rounds ahead of him. I'm up with the adage that it will be easier for Williams to outperform his ADP than Brown to live up to his. That Williams is the starting RB in preseason doesn't mean that Brown won't get it back when his thumb's better. We're all speculating here.
mchaps55
Footballguy
Its not a writer's opinion piece but more of a fact. The dolphins have him officially listed number 1 on the depth chart making the switch on monday.I guess the KFFL's writer's opinion is more accurate than mine. I don't blame you for trusting him over me. I"m a nobody and he writes fantasy articles.Scotty already said the restWhile I agree with you that Williams will wind up being the more productive back this season, there hasn't been any guarantee of that yet.Your turn, Sparky.Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMOI think most of us are making a gut call with this based on Brown's current condition, but that could change just as easily. I got him very late in a draft because my leaguemates were simply avoiding the Dolphins running game. Brown went only a few rounds ahead of him. I'm up with the adage that it will be easier for Williams to outperform his ADP than Brown to live up to his. That Williams is the starting RB in preseason doesn't mean that Brown won't get it back when his thumb's better. We're all speculating here.
BigRed
Footballguy
lol - God bless pre-season hype. I hope my league is reading all this and someone overpays for him in our draft. Anyone who thinks Wms is a lock to get most of the carries all year is deluding themselves and if he's your RB2, I hope you have a real strong passing game because that's a serious gamble.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
think Stephen Davis, Carolina, 2003...i.e., 318 car, 1444 rush yards, 8 TD..same offensive coordinator: Dan Henning..KingEl said:
Zoomanji
Footballguy
Somewhat. This happens every year on different teams. Bottom line IMO is Brown is more talented and "has more gas left in the tank". Right now he has an injured thumb and is still recovering from knee surgury. I would be surprised if the Dolphins want Ricky to be their guy, I would think that Brown is the one they want to be their guy.What dumbfounds me is that a lot of people seem to be buying into it. More likely IMO is Ricky may have a couple decent games as Brown rounds into shape than take a back seat. Who knows how many weeks that will take and who knows if after week 3, Ricky decides to retire again.That's a different tune than your "dumfounded" remarks that started this whole exchange.I guess the KFFL's writer's opinion is more accurate than mine. I don't blame you for trusting him over me. I"m a nobody and he writes fantasy articles.Scotty already said the restWhile I agree with you that Williams will wind up being the more productive back this season, there hasn't been any guarantee of that yet.Your turn, Sparky.Link that says he won't?Link?I'm dumbfounded by what I'm reading here.
The guy will back-up and at best split time with Brown. 10th roundish pick IMOI think most of us are making a gut call with this based on Brown's current condition, but that could change just as easily. I got him very late in a draft because my leaguemates were simply avoiding the Dolphins running game. Brown went only a few rounds ahead of him. I'm up with the adage that it will be easier for Williams to outperform his ADP than Brown to live up to his. That Williams is the starting RB in preseason doesn't mean that Brown won't get it back when his thumb's better. We're all speculating here.
Personally I think all the squawking from Miami about Ricky being the #1 is just a ploy to motivate Tatum Bell Ronnie Brown.
I was googling Ricky last night and...there's a whole lot of guesses out there for his starting. Top of my head-
some give him his due, earned it, not as many as I'd thought.
some think it's just to see how he does this week in preseason
some think it's to motivate Brown
some think it's a level of confidence from the coach that Ricky's sensitive ego needs before he's in a RBBC. This way even if he's on the sideline he'll know the coach will be putting him in.
some think it's to trade Ricky(not Brown) and that him edging out Brown shows he's more valuable.
I could probably go on and on. Granted I love reading some of the lesser known blogs a bit much but....it's pretty fascinating how Fins fans are reacting to it.
some give him his due, earned it, not as many as I'd thought.
some think it's just to see how he does this week in preseason
some think it's to motivate Brown
some think it's a level of confidence from the coach that Ricky's sensitive ego needs before he's in a RBBC. This way even if he's on the sideline he'll know the coach will be putting him in.
some think it's to trade Ricky(not Brown) and that him edging out Brown shows he's more valuable.
I could probably go on and on. Granted I love reading some of the lesser known blogs a bit much but....it's pretty fascinating how Fins fans are reacting to it.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Actually, it is RBs on a team with a bad defense that should be avoided. These teams will be throwing often to try and keep pace on the scoreboard and won't be killing clock via the ground game in the 4th quarter.MAC_32 said:
Ricky as your RB2? Yea...umm...g'luck with that then. Watched the game that he supposedly looked great. He looked like I'd expect a 31 year old, once-talented RB look like. Someone that's a bit slow, does't have the moves he used to, still has a bit of power, and can eventually get to the gaping hole in the line and plod for 4-5 yards. Then watched Ronnie and saw a guy that clearly has the moves but is still a bit slow and tentative (clearly getting his legs under him again from the injury/rehab).
I think anyone putting their FF season in the hands of Ricky over Ronnie for season long production is just a few cards short of a full deck. To each his own.
I think anyone putting their FF season in the hands of Ricky over Ronnie for season long production is just a few cards short of a full deck. To each his own.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yes they will - they were pretty good last year w/o Long.I have seen Long getting beat too often in pass coverage, but he looks like he is getting a good drive going from the LT spot in run blocking duties.I don't expect the Dolphins RBs to score a lot of TDs simply because I foresee a lot of drives stalling on third down. But I expect them to get a lot of total yardage. As a RB3/flex, Ricky Williams should be a great fit. And in PPR leagues, just remember that 3 and 10 with a Ricky Williams 7 yard catch out of the backfield 'aint pretty for the offense, but it's worth 1.7 to you . . .gregjcross said:This is due to C Samson Satele (future pro bowler) and OT Jake Long. Some emerging OGs as well. They will move the ball.raven1911 said:big0mar said:
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Exaaaactly.Thogh the Dolphins defense aint great and is transforming into a younger unit, they should be middle to lower end of the pack, not dreadful. Low scoring games favor RBs, regardless of offensive aptitude.
joffer
Footballguy
there seems to be one of these posts in just about every thread. you sure lol at a lot of people.
Football Jones
Footballguy
If you draft Ricky as a starter or top reserve, I believe you're going to be sorely disappointed. They have a younger & more talented RB who fits in their longterm plans. I believe Brown has 19 mil guaranteed & at the time of his injury, he was FF's leading RB in an offense that didn't have squat (only a decent OL which could be one of he league's better untis as early as this season). That combination virtually guarantees he'll be their feature back sometime this season (as soon as Miami feels he can carry the load). My guess is Brown will be getting the majority of touches by week 4 & will become their workhorse (or feature back) by week 8.
With Pennington & Henne, an emerging Ginn, along with Fasano, as well as a good OL, you're looking at one of the better up & coming offenses in the league. Brown's recovery is going well & don't forget he's an excellent receiver. His value only goes up in PPR leagues. In 7 games, Brown had over 600 yards on the ground with a 5.1 average/4 TDs along with 39 receptions at an incredible 10 yards per catch & 1 TD thru the air. Without doing the exact math, that translates to about 1350 yards on the ground/9 TDs along with 90 receptions for 900 yards/1 TD. Projected totals are 2250 combined yards/11 TDs & 90 receptions in PPR leagues. All with virtually no help from the other skill positions while only playing part-time the first 2 games. RW is a classic case of fool's gold, IMO.
With Pennington & Henne, an emerging Ginn, along with Fasano, as well as a good OL, you're looking at one of the better up & coming offenses in the league. Brown's recovery is going well & don't forget he's an excellent receiver. His value only goes up in PPR leagues. In 7 games, Brown had over 600 yards on the ground with a 5.1 average/4 TDs along with 39 receptions at an incredible 10 yards per catch & 1 TD thru the air. Without doing the exact math, that translates to about 1350 yards on the ground/9 TDs along with 90 receptions for 900 yards/1 TD. Projected totals are 2250 combined yards/11 TDs & 90 receptions in PPR leagues. All with virtually no help from the other skill positions while only playing part-time the first 2 games. RW is a classic case of fool's gold, IMO.
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tombonneau
Footballguy
On a side note, I think the owners you are saying recently are "reaching" for guys like Slayton & Royal & Perry & Ricky are making moves that usually win leagues. Honestly, you have to throw out ADP late August when you are talking about "a guy was a 12th round pick two weeks ago" but "now he is going in the 7th" or whatever. IMO, if you think a guy is going to perform better than your other options at that draft slot, you take him, regardless of what his ADP was last week.
creeps1313
Footballguy
So lets say you have the choice between Johnathan Stewart and Ricky Williams in a PPR league...who do you take?
tombonneau
Footballguy
So what round did you draft Ronnie in?
BigRed
Footballguy
Yep - or at the very least it's very up in the air. This is what people are happy with as a RB2? Good luck w/that.
er let's not push it
