Where does Vince Young get drafted? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

I listed the teams who need QB the most, if you think he'll go somewhere else post what team and why. I can see him slipping to Arizona but if they don't take him he shouldn't get past Minnesota or Dallas.

The Jets traded for Ramsey so it looks like they will not draft a QB. The same goes for the Lions after acquiring McCown and Kitna.

 

[BlueOnion]

I listed the teams who need QB the most, if you think he'll go somewhere else post what team and why.  I can see him slipping to Arizona but if they don't take him he shouldn't get past Minnesota or Dallas.

After watching Rodgers drop last year, I am starting to believe he could drop past the Cowboys.Edited - I am thinking possibly Kansas City or Chicago may not be out of the question.

 

[cstu]

With the Jets trading for Ramsey and the Titans likely taking Leinart, would the Raiders take Cutler over Young?

 

[cstu]

I listed the teams who need QB the most, if you think he'll go somewhere else post what team and why. I can see him slipping to Arizona but if they don't take him he shouldn't get past Minnesota or Dallas.

After watching Rodgers drop last year, I am starting to believe he could drop past the Cowboys.Edited - I am thinking possibly Kansas City or Chicago may not be out of the question.

Young is a Texas guy and the Cowboys will feel a lot of pressure to take Young if he's there. Jerry Jones loves mult-dimensional QB's and would love the attention Young would get in Dallas.

 

[-OZ-]

I listed the teams who need QB the most, if you think he'll go somewhere else post what team and why. I can see him slipping to Arizona but if they don't take him he shouldn't get past Minnesota or Dallas.

After watching Rodgers drop last year, I am starting to believe he could drop past the Cowboys.Edited - I am thinking possibly Kansas City or Chicago may not be out of the question.

Young is a Texas guy and the Cowboys will feel a lot of pressure to take Young if he's there. Jerry Jones loves mult-dimensional QB's and would love the attention Young would get in Dallas.

I doubt Jones would yield to pressure, but given his upside and the pure excitement he'd bring, I believe Dallas would jump on it. FWIW, I doubt he drops past Detroit, but Dallas would be very intriguing.

TO and VY?

 

[Hawk]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18. If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him. They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince.

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's. They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked. If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

 

[mbuehner]

Two months ago people thought he might go #1. I cant believe he's going to fall out of the top 10 because of his Wunderlick. He surely wont get passed Oakland, bad test scores just enhance him there. Its like an extra 5 reps on the bench press.

 

[cstu]

Two months ago people thought he might go #1. I cant believe he's going to fall out of the top 10 because of his Wunderlick. He surely wont get passed Oakland, bad test scores just enhance him there. Its like an extra 5 reps on the bench press.

 

[-OZ-]

Ok, hypothetically speaking...

Dallas signs TO

Dallas draft Vince Young

Where does Young go in dynasty drafts?

Ahead of Leinart in Tennessee?

Ahead of the WRs?

Assume a "standard" 1 QB start league.

 

[Raider Nation]

 

[Zaphod]

Young is just too much of a talent to fall anywhere near like Rodgers did last year. Even teams like the Jets or Lions will still be hard pressed to not pursue a player of his caliber come draft day.

I truly believe we are making way too much about the test scores.

 

[lod2005]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18. If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him. They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince.

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's. They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked. If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

The only team they would be 'sticking it' to would be the Cowboys themselves. Since when is Vince Young a franchise QB????? Because he can run with the football? Ask Vick how well that is going these days. He is so awful that the Falcons won't take offers for Schaub. They know better than anyone that Vick can't go 16 games without getting his dome caved in. Ditto Vince Young.

 

[Zaphod]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18.  If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him.  They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince. 

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's.  They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked.  If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

The only team they would be 'sticking it' to would be the Cowboys themselves. Since when is Vince Young a franchise QB????? Because he can run with the football? Ask Vick how well that is going these days. He is so awful that the Falcons won't take offers for Schaub. They know better than anyone that Vick can't go 16 games without getting his dome caved in. Ditto Vince Young.

Since when isn't Young a potential franchise QB? Because he didn't score well on a test? You might want to look up some stats for Young this past season, he really has improved his passing game. And trying to compare Vick to Young. That's like saying McCown will become an NFL MVP because he is white and likes to pass first like Manning.Vick and Young are really not much alike at all. I would think that would be readily evident to most everyone having watched them play, but I guess not.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18.  If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him.  They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince. 

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's.  They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked.  If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

The only team they would be 'sticking it' to would be the Cowboys themselves. Since when is Vince Young a franchise QB????? Because he can run with the football? Ask Vick how well that is going these days. He is so awful that the Falcons won't take offers for Schaub. They know better than anyone that Vick can't go 16 games without getting his dome caved in. Ditto Vince Young.

Since when isn't Young a potential franchise QB? Because he didn't score well on a test? You might want to look up some stats for Young this past season, he really has improved his passing game. And trying to compare Vick to Young. That's like saying McCown will become an NFL MVP because he is white and likes to pass first like Manning.Vick and Young are really not much alike at all. I would think that would be readily evident to most everyone having watched them play, but I guess not.

There ya go...

 

[Gopher State]

I think he will be drafted in the top 20, I don't think Vince can count past 20

 

[matuski]

Ok, hypothetically speaking...

Dallas signs TO

Dallas draft Vince Young

Where does Young go in dynasty drafts?

Ahead of Leinart in Tennessee?

Ahead of the WRs?

Assume a "standard" 1 QB start league.

I think a better question is how far does TO's value drop?

 

[David Yudkin]

IMO, at this point, Young is dropping because teams are solidifying their QB situations. His test score is not the primary cause for a projected drop off in his draft poisition.

 

[gman8343]

Ok, hypothetically speaking...

Dallas signs TO

Dallas draft Vince Young

Where does Young go in dynasty drafts?

Ahead of Leinart in Tennessee?

Ahead of the WRs?

Assume a "standard" 1 QB start league.

I think a better question is how far does TO's value drop?

Young probably wouldn't start this season, Bledsoe would be the guy. This means Young won't start until next season at the earliest, when Owens/Glenn are a year older. And Young will have growing pains his first year starting. He may have one or two good seasons with these guys, but they are going to be declining. Patrick Crayton may end up being Young's best WR by the time he settles in in this situation.For dynasty, his prospects aren't really any better than Leinart if Young is in Dallas, possibly much worse.

 

[lod2005]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Young Vick comparisons are false.This has been beaten to death, but Young led the NCAA in passer rating (reg season), and we sure shouldn't complain about his post-season performance. Not often discussed is Young leading the nation in yards per completion. He gets the ball down the field and he makes great decisions choosing receivers and putting them in position to make plays. He reads defenses fine.

I think Young goes as early as originally projected. I'm thinking of McNabb very early to raucous boos from Eagles fans. I project Young to Tennessee or NYJ (3rd or 4th), and Leinart to the other. It's up to the Titans unless the Jets move up to NO's 2nd spot. New Orleans should be willing to deal that pick.

 

[cstu]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Young Vick comparisons are false.This has been beaten to death, but Young led the NCAA in passer rating (reg season), and we sure shouldn't complain about his post-season performance. Not often discussed is Young leading the nation in yards per completion. He gets the ball down the field and he makes great decisions choosing receivers and putting them in position to make plays. He reads defenses fine.

I think Young goes as early as originally projected. I'm thinking of McNabb very early to raucous boos from Eagles fans. I project Young to Tennessee or NYJ (3rd or 4th), and Leinart to the other. It's up to the Titans unless the Jets move up to NO's 2nd spot. New Orleans should be willing to deal that pick.

I believe Vick also had the 2nd highest passer rating in NCAA history in 1999 (~180). It's also worth mentioning that Vick was very young when he went pro and is only 3 years older than Young.

 

[matuski]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Young Vick comparisons are false.This has been beaten to death, but Young led the NCAA in passer rating (reg season), and we sure shouldn't complain about his post-season performance. Not often discussed is Young leading the nation in yards per completion. He gets the ball down the field and he makes great decisions choosing receivers and putting them in position to make plays. He reads defenses fine.

I think Young goes as early as originally projected. I'm thinking of McNabb very early to raucous boos from Eagles fans. I project Young to Tennessee or NYJ (3rd or 4th), and Leinart to the other. It's up to the Titans unless the Jets move up to NO's 2nd spot. New Orleans should be willing to deal that pick.

I believe Vick also had the 2nd highest passer rating in NCAA history in 1999 (~180). It's also worth mentioning that Vick was very young when he went pro and is only 3 years older than Young.

Vick led the league in passing efficiency that year, and was second all-time to Shaun King..... good company Young is joining!

 

[Assani Fisher]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18.  If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him.  They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince. 

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's.  They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked.  If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

The only team they would be 'sticking it' to would be the Cowboys themselves. Since when is Vince Young a franchise QB????? Because he can run with the football? Ask Vick how well that is going these days. He is so awful that the Falcons won't take offers for Schaub. They know better than anyone that Vick can't go 16 games without getting his dome caved in. Ditto Vince Young.

LOL...2nd round of playoffs a few years ago and 3rd round 2 years ago...yeah the Falcons are struggling a ton YMIA.

 

[Demons]

Reality check. Young WON'T slip past the Raiders at #7. For better or worse, Al Davis wants him. Unless someone trades up, he is destined to be a Raider.

I don't see anyone likely to step up to move ahead of Oakland, given the cost.

My opinion, Oakland would do better taking Vernon Davis, or else DEFENSE!

 

[Hawk]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Yes, because he has failed so often in the past. I mean it's so obvious. How could a guy who was the #1 ranked recruit in the country coming out of high school, and then carried his college team on his back to a national championship, possibly be expected to have any success in the big bad NFL?

Whatever.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

 

[cstu]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Yes, because he has failed so often in the past. I mean it's so obvious. How could a guy who was the #1 ranked recruit in the country coming out of high school, and then carried his college team on his back to a national championship, possibly be expected to have any success in the big bad NFL?

Whatever.

Even a VY doubter like me doesn't think he'll fall flat on his face in the NFL. I do believe it will take him time to become a good QB who can run a complex NFL offense efficiently but I think by the time he is 27 or 28 he'll be a top QB. I'm down on him more for his draft ranking, which I think it way too high for how long he'll need to develop, than for his potential as an NFL QB. By the time he is good enough to lead a team to the Super Bowl, his rookie contract will be up and he'll be a free agent headed to another team.

 

[nygiants56]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18.  If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him.  They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince. 

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's.  They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked.  If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

The only team they would be 'sticking it' to would be the Cowboys themselves. Since when is Vince Young a franchise QB????? Because he can run with the football? Ask Vick how well that is going these days. He is so awful that the Falcons won't take offers for Schaub. They know better than anyone that Vick can't go 16 games without getting his dome caved in. Ditto Vince Young.

 

[saintfool]

his pro day is wednesday, right? i read somewhere that the saints are also expected to have him do workouts for them, which is interesting. i'll be interested to see how his pro day workouts go.

 

[redman]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Actually, the "ditto" is misplaced. Young never dropped back in college - he played shotgun exclusively.

 

[mbuehner]

General thought about running QBs- I would expect their passer ratings to be naturally higher. A pocket passer has to throw the ball away more, and force a pass to get a 1st down. Tucking the ball away and getting caught at the LOS or run out of bounds doesnt show up in the passer rating, but it happens often enough to be significant.

 

[Hawk]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Actually, the "ditto" is misplaced. Young never dropped back in college - he played shotgun exclusively.

That's not really true, Young played under center quite a bit his freshman and sophmore seasons. But he was at his best in the shotgun spread offense, especially the hurry-up offense. Whatever NFL team he goes to would be smart to let him run a shotgun hurry-up offense at different points in the game. Young excelled at it.

 

[Hawk]

General thought about running QBs- I would expect their passer ratings to be naturally higher. A pocket passer has to throw the ball away more, and force a pass to get a 1st down. Tucking the ball away and getting caught at the LOS or run out of bounds doesnt show up in the passer rating, but it happens often enough to be significant.

The other factor there is that a running QB can draw up the LB's and safeties and allow for more single coverage deep. Vince had a lot of success with the deep ball this year and that helps your QB ratings a lot. Texas WR Billy Pittman was leading the NCAA in yards per catch for quite a bit of the season. Pittman is a decent WR, but he's not the type of burner you would expect to put up those numbers, but he was able to get deep a lot this year as teams tried to account for Vince, and Vince throws a pretty good deep ball.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If the Vikings would somehow be able to get Vince Young, I would be one extatic fan.

I may even actually go to a game.

He is going to be a stud. If there are any Vick comparisons, it should be "He's Vick, with more leadership ability."

 

[nygiants56]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18.  If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him.  They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince. 

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's.  They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked.  If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

The only team they would be 'sticking it' to would be the Cowboys themselves. Since when is Vince Young a franchise QB????? Because he can run with the football? Ask Vick how well that is going these days. He is so awful that the Falcons won't take offers for Schaub. They know better than anyone that Vick can't go 16 games without getting his dome caved in. Ditto Vince Young.

Since when isn't Young a potential franchise QB? Because he didn't score well on a test? You might want to look up some stats for Young this past season, he really has improved his passing game. And trying to compare Vick to Young. That's like saying McCown will become an NFL MVP because he is white and likes to pass first like Manning.Vick and Young are really not much alike at all. I would think that would be readily evident to most everyone having watched them play, but I guess not.

There ya go...

IMO..he's a cross between kordell and akili smith..

he'll be playing in Canada in 5 years..got planety of room to 'run' up there, the field is wider and longer..

 

[nygiants56]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Young Vick comparisons are false.This has been beaten to death, but Young led the NCAA in passer rating (reg season), and we sure shouldn't complain about his post-season performance. Not often discussed is Young leading the nation in yards per completion. He gets the ball down the field and he makes great decisions choosing receivers and putting them in position to make plays. He reads defenses fine.

I think Young goes as early as originally projected. I'm thinking of McNabb very early to raucous boos from Eagles fans. I project Young to Tennessee or NYJ (3rd or 4th), and Leinart to the other. It's up to the Titans unless the Jets move up to NO's 2nd spot. New Orleans should be willing to deal that pick.

how many ranked teams did he play against in 2004 reg season? answer: 2. Oklahoma, TX Tech..lost to Ok. 12-0..beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl..

in 2005, beat ohio state and Tx tech, the only ranked teams on the schedule..and then beat USC in the championship game..I give him credit for that..

the point is, VY might've had great stats, but who has he played? Baylor twice, Rice twice, colorado 2 x, missou 2 x , Lou-lafayette, Ok state, Tx A&M..

c'mon now..even Ryan Leaf could look all world against these teams..

kordell stewart meets akili smith to form VY..

 

[Andy Dufresne]

how many ranked teams did he play against in 2004 reg season?

answer: 2. Oklahoma, TX Tech..lost to Ok. 12-0..beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl..

in 2005, beat ohio state and Tx tech, the only ranked teams on the schedule..and then beat USC in the championship game..I give him credit for that..

the point is, VY might've had great stats, but who has he played? Baylor twice, Rice twice, colorado 2 x, missou 2 x , Lou-lafayette, Ok state, Tx A&M..

c'mon now..even Ryan Leaf could look all world against these teams..

kordell stewart meets akili smith to form VY..

Who ARE you? Jay Cutler's agent?

 

[Hawk]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Young Vick comparisons are false.This has been beaten to death, but Young led the NCAA in passer rating (reg season), and we sure shouldn't complain about his post-season performance. Not often discussed is Young leading the nation in yards per completion. He gets the ball down the field and he makes great decisions choosing receivers and putting them in position to make plays. He reads defenses fine.

I think Young goes as early as originally projected. I'm thinking of McNabb very early to raucous boos from Eagles fans. I project Young to Tennessee or NYJ (3rd or 4th), and Leinart to the other. It's up to the Titans unless the Jets move up to NO's 2nd spot. New Orleans should be willing to deal that pick.

how many ranked teams did he play against in 2004 reg season? answer: 2. Oklahoma, TX Tech..lost to Ok. 12-0..beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl..

in 2005, beat ohio state and Tx tech, the only ranked teams on the schedule..and then beat USC in the championship game..I give him credit for that..

the point is, VY might've had great stats, but who has he played? Baylor twice, Rice twice, colorado 2 x, missou 2 x , Lou-lafayette, Ok state, Tx A&M..

c'mon now..even Ryan Leaf could look all world against these teams..

kordell stewart meets akili smith to form VY..

That same argument can be made for every single college player in the draft. Please show me the college team that plays a ranked opponent or top defense every week. You can't because it doesn't happen. Every good college team plays some good teams, some mid-level teams, and some patsies. Welcome to college football, been watching long?But Vince did come up big against the best teams he faced over the last two seasons, and often in those situations carried Texas to the win on his back. I just don't get your point.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Vick: drop back, look at primary receiver, covered....RUN!!!!!

Young: ditto. If you think the NFL game is as easy as he had it in college, you are sadly mistaken. He will fare no better than Vick. If you can't read a defense you will fail. He will fail.

Young Vick comparisons are false.This has been beaten to death, but Young led the NCAA in passer rating (reg season), and we sure shouldn't complain about his post-season performance. Not often discussed is Young leading the nation in yards per completion. He gets the ball down the field and he makes great decisions choosing receivers and putting them in position to make plays. He reads defenses fine.

I think Young goes as early as originally projected. I'm thinking of McNabb very early to raucous boos from Eagles fans. I project Young to Tennessee or NYJ (3rd or 4th), and Leinart to the other. It's up to the Titans unless the Jets move up to NO's 2nd spot. New Orleans should be willing to deal that pick.

how many ranked teams did he play against in 2004 reg season? answer: 2. Oklahoma, TX Tech..lost to Ok. 12-0..beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl..

in 2005, beat ohio state and Tx tech, the only ranked teams on the schedule..and then beat USC in the championship game..I give him credit for that..

the point is, VY might've had great stats, but who has he played? Baylor twice, Rice twice, colorado 2 x, missou 2 x , Lou-lafayette, Ok state, Tx A&M..

c'mon now..even Ryan Leaf could look all world against these teams..

kordell stewart meets akili smith to form VY..

That same argument can be made for every single college player in the draft. Please show me the college team that plays a ranked opponent or top defense every week. You can't because it doesn't happen. Every good college team plays some good teams, some mid-level teams, and some patsies. Welcome to college football, been watching long?But Vince did come up big against the best teams he faced over the last two seasons, and often in those situations carried Texas to the win on his back. I just don't get your point.

I agree. Vince Young always came through in the clutch against the top opponents he faced. I also have my doubts about his transition to the pro game, but one thing cannot be disputed. He is a clutch player that does not fold under pressure. When the game is on the line, he is not going to choke.

 

[V1LL]

WHOA! this almost fell off the first page. can't have a first page without some VY talk.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

how many ranked teams did he play against in 2004 reg season?

answer: 2. Oklahoma, TX Tech..lost to Ok. 12-0..beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl..

in 2005, beat ohio state and Tx tech, the only ranked teams on the schedule..and then beat USC in the championship game..I give him credit for that..

the point is, VY might've had great stats, but who has he played? Baylor twice, Rice twice, colorado 2 x, missou 2 x , Lou-lafayette, Ok state, Tx A&M..

c'mon now..even Ryan Leaf could look all world against these teams..

kordell stewart meets akili smith to form VY..

Here's some analysis from a poster on NFLDraftcountdown's boards. If you'll notice, Matt Leinart only played against ONE top 20 defensive team last year.Leinart/Young/Cutler vs. top 20 Defenses

Top 20 Defenses in College Football Last season against Leinart/Cutler/Young

3 LSU (Cutler 11-32, 113 Yds, 34.4% Accuracy, 0 TD, 2 INT)

5 Ohio St. (Young 18-29, 270 yds, 62.1% Accuracy, 2 TD, 2 INT - 20 Rush, 76 Yds)

6 Tennessee (Cutler 27-39, 315 Yds, 69.2% Accuracy, 3 TD, 0 INT)

9 Florida (Cutler 28-42, 361 Yds, 66.7% Accuracy, 4 TD, 2 INT)

10 Texas (Leinart 29-40, 365 Yds, 72.5% Accuracy, 1 TD, 1 INT)

11 Kansas (Young 19-27, 281 yds, 70.4% Accuracy, 4 TD, 0 INT - 6 Rush, -4 Yds)

13 Oklahoma (Young 14-27, 241 Yds, 51.9% Accuracy, 3 TD, 0 INT - 17 Rush, 45 Yards)

18 Georgia (Cutler 15-28, 174 Yds, 53.6% Accuracy, 1 TD, 1 INT)

48 Southern California

72 Vanderbilt

Cutler Vs. Top 20 Defenses - 4 Games, 81 for 141, 963 Yds, 57.4% Accuracy, 8 TD, 5 INT

Young Vs. Top 20 Defenses - 3 Games, 51 for 83, 792 Yds, 61.4% Accuracy, 9 TD, 2 INT - 43 Rushes, 117 Yds (2.7 Yds Per Attempt)

Leinart Vs. Top 20 Defenses - 1 Games, 29 for 40, 365 Yds, 72.5% Accuracy, 1 TD, 1 INT

 

[ExaltedOne]

I guess I'm one of the few remaining people who thinks that, despite their posturing, Tennessee will take Vince Young. Matt Leinart will be selected at #2, although it will likely not be New Orleans making the selection.

On a side note, I think if anyone falls in this draft, it will be Cutler. Alot of the draft experts are now flip-flopping, saying that he is overrated and really doesn't belong in the top half of the first. This is what I had thought all along.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

The Cowboys would love to stick it to the Texans like that, I guarantee they would take him if he's there at 18.  If he slips past AZ, I would not be surprised to see the Cowboys make a small move up to get him.  They need QB badly, and Vince would be perfect for them with Bledsoe there to start this year and maybe next while grooming Vince. 

The Cowboys are Exhibit A as to why NFL teams should not pass on franchise QB's.  They've been trying like crazy to replace Aikman, and nothing they have done has worked.  If Vince falls in their laps at 18, there is no way in hell they would pass him up.

The only team they would be 'sticking it' to would be the Cowboys themselves. Since when is Vince Young a franchise QB????? Because he can run with the football? Ask Vick how well that is going these days. He is so awful that the Falcons won't take offers for Schaub. They know better than anyone that Vick can't go 16 games without getting his dome caved in. Ditto Vince Young.

Since when isn't Young a potential franchise QB? Because he didn't score well on a test? You might want to look up some stats for Young this past season, he really has improved his passing game. And trying to compare Vick to Young. That's like saying McCown will become an NFL MVP because he is white and likes to pass first like Manning.Vick and Young are really not much alike at all. I would think that would be readily evident to most everyone having watched them play, but I guess not.

There ya go...

IMO..he's a cross between kordell and akili smith..

he'll be playing in Canada in 5 years..got planety of room to 'run' up there, the field is wider and longer..

We need to archive this one...

 

[nygiants56]

toronto argonauts

scottish claymores

london monarchs

NY/NJ Knights

Bon Jovi's arena team

he could wait 5 years,he'll be playing for one of these teams by then..

<joking>

he'll go in the top ten, most likely oakland

 

[Warpig]

toronto argonauts

scottish claymores

london monarchs

NY/NJ Knights

Bon Jovi's arena team

he could wait 5 years,he'll be playing for one of these teams by then..

<joking>

he'll go in the top ten, most likely oakland

I heard VY and Marcus Vick were buying a sweet bachelor pad in Oaktown.

 

[BigTex]

how many ranked teams did he play against in 2004 reg season?

answer: 2. Oklahoma, TX Tech..lost to Ok. 12-0..beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl..

in 2005, beat ohio state and Tx tech, the only ranked teams on the schedule..and then beat USC in the championship game..I give him credit for that..

the point is, VY might've had great stats, but who has he played? Baylor twice, Rice twice, colorado 2 x, missou 2 x , Lou-lafayette, Ok state, Tx A&M..

c'mon now..even Ryan Leaf could look all world against these teams..

kordell stewart meets akili smith to form VY..

Here's some analysis from a poster on NFLDraftcountdown's boards. If you'll notice, Matt Leinart only played against ONE top 20 defensive team last year.Leinart/Young/Cutler vs. top 20 Defenses

Top 20 Defenses in College Football Last season against Leinart/Cutler/Young

3 LSU (Cutler 11-32, 113 Yds, 34.4% Accuracy, 0 TD, 2 INT)

5 Ohio St. (Young 18-29, 270 yds, 62.1% Accuracy, 2 TD, 2 INT - 20 Rush, 76 Yds)

6 Tennessee (Cutler 27-39, 315 Yds, 69.2% Accuracy, 3 TD, 0 INT)

9 Florida (Cutler 28-42, 361 Yds, 66.7% Accuracy, 4 TD, 2 INT)

10 Texas (Leinart 29-40, 365 Yds, 72.5% Accuracy, 1 TD, 1 INT)

11 Kansas (Young 19-27, 281 yds, 70.4% Accuracy, 4 TD, 0 INT - 6 Rush, -4 Yds)

13 Oklahoma (Young 14-27, 241 Yds, 51.9% Accuracy, 3 TD, 0 INT - 17 Rush, 45 Yards)

18 Georgia (Cutler 15-28, 174 Yds, 53.6% Accuracy, 1 TD, 1 INT)

48 Southern California

72 Vanderbilt

Cutler Vs. Top 20 Defenses - 4 Games, 81 for 141, 963 Yds, 57.4% Accuracy, 8 TD, 5 INT

Young Vs. Top 20 Defenses - 3 Games, 51 for 83, 792 Yds, 61.4% Accuracy, 9 TD, 2 INT - 43 Rushes, 117 Yds (2.7 Yds Per Attempt)

Leinart Vs. Top 20 Defenses - 1 Games, 29 for 40, 365 Yds, 72.5% Accuracy, 1 TD, 1 INT

Do you have the numbers for Top "Passing Defense"?

 

[nygiants56]

toronto argonauts

scottish claymores

london monarchs

NY/NJ Knights

Bon Jovi's arena team

he could wait 5 years,he'll be playing for one of these teams by then..

<joking>

he'll go in the top ten, most likely  oakland

I heard VY and Marcus Vick were buying a sweet bachelor pad in Oaktown.

lol..

 

[BigTex]

I listed the teams who need QB the most, if you think he'll go somewhere else post what team and why.  I can see him slipping to Arizona but if they don't take him he shouldn't get past Minnesota or Dallas.

After watching Rodgers drop last year, I am starting to believe he could drop past the Cowboys.Edited - I am thinking possibly Kansas City or Chicago may not be out of the question.

Young is a Texas guy and the Cowboys will feel a lot of pressure to take Young if he's there. Jerry Jones loves mult-dimensional QB's and would love the attention Young would get in Dallas.

I won't be pressure, Jerry has gone on record saying that if VY is there at #18 he's a Cowboy.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I listed the teams who need QB the most, if you think he'll go somewhere else post what team and why.  I can see him slipping to Arizona but if they don't take him he shouldn't get past Minnesota or Dallas.

After watching Rodgers drop last year, I am starting to believe he could drop past the Cowboys.Edited - I am thinking possibly Kansas City or Chicago may not be out of the question.

Young is a Texas guy and the Cowboys will feel a lot of pressure to take Young if he's there. Jerry Jones loves mult-dimensional QB's and would love the attention Young would get in Dallas.

I won't be pressure, Jerry has gone on record saying that if VY is there at #18 he's a Cowboy.

If he's there at #17 and the Vikings don't take him, I'll burn down the Metrodome.Wait, that'd be doing them a favor...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Do you have the numbers for Top "Passing Defense"?

Not offhand, but here are the defensive team rankings.We could probably come up with them pretty quickly, although looking at some of the teams, the results are probably skewed as THEIR competition doesn't seem to be that spectacular (I'm talking to YOU Florida Atlantic):

Top 20 passing defenses based on YPG

Miami (FL) Hurricanes

Virginia Tech Hokies

Pittsburgh Panthers

Alabama Crimson Tide

Texas Longhorns

Connecticut Huskies

South Florida Bulls

Army Black Knights

Texas Tech Red Raiders

Buffalo Bulls

Georgia Bulldogs

South Carolina Gamecocks

Florida Atlantic Owls

Tulane Green Wave

Marshall Thundering Herd

Mississippi Rebels

Tulsa Golden Hurricane

LSU Tigers

Akron Zips