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Where should Brian Leonard go in rookie drafts? (1 Viewer)

I'm thinking if he is put in a good situation he could be a good guy to target in a ppr league. I don't ever see him taking the bulk of the carries, but if he gets enough goal line touches he could put up some points. I don't want to compare him to Alstott, because JG doesn't know how to use him :shock: but if he goes to a team like Baltimore or Denver I could easily see him being a top 5 rookie pick.

 
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Bloom 100 coming next week to answer this question...

he'll be higher than most expect. He was lining up at halfback at the Senior Bowl.

 
Should be a great special teamer and decent #4RB on lots of squads
disagree, more like an interchangeable part of an RBBC, with the ability to be solid when he gets 20+ carries if the other back(s) get hurt. Think rich man's Nick Goings.
 
Should be a great special teamer and decent #4RB on lots of squads
disagree, more like an interchangeable part of an RBBC, with the ability to be solid when he gets 20+ carries if the other back(s) get hurt. Think rich man's Nick Goings.
What about him having like a Chris Cooley circa 2005 role?
if Cooley got 100+ carries... sure. Leonard has slimmed down to a halfback weight. he's definitely an excellent enough receiver to get close to Cooley's share of targets.
 
Should be a great special teamer and decent #4RB on lots of squads
disagree, more like an interchangeable part of an RBBC, with the ability to be solid when he gets 20+ carries if the other back(s) get hurt. Think rich man's Nick Goings.
What about him having like a Chris Cooley circa 2005 role?
if Cooley got 100+ carries... sure. Leonard has slimmed down to a halfback weight. he's definitely an excellent enough receiver to get close to Cooley's share of targets.
At the least he would make a good RBBC with someone out there.
 
Obviously this greatly depends on where he ends up, but at this point I would say the bottom of the 1st/top of the 2nd. I don't really see him going much lower than that, but I could see him moving up if he lands in a favorable spot.

 
Should be a great special teamer and decent #4RB on lots of squads
disagree, more like an interchangeable part of an RBBC, with the ability to be solid when he gets 20+ carries if the other back(s) get hurt. Think rich man's Nick Goings.
I land in the middle. Not rich or poor, just a Nick Goings with a role in the game plan, on standby if needed. One thing I have to constanty remind myself to do is not compare these backs to their peers in this draft and get excited about those ranking highest. They look too good when I do that. I have to compare them to the backs in the NFL, even the very young backs. This class is very weak.
 
Obviously this greatly depends on where he ends up, but at this point I would say the bottom of the 1st/top of the 2nd. I don't really see him going much lower than that, but I could see him moving up if he lands in a favorable spot.
im not as optimistic. Off the top of my head, id say 3rd round. First firm answer coming soon...
 
Obviously this greatly depends on where he ends up, but at this point I would say the bottom of the 1st/top of the 2nd. I don't really see him going much lower than that, but I could see him moving up if he lands in a favorable spot.
im not as optimistic. Off the top of my head, id say 3rd round. First firm answer coming soon...
He should go after:Quinn, RussellAD, Lynch, Bush, PittmanGinn, JarrettThat puts him at 1.09 and several other guys that he could go after like-Jackson, Irons, HuntBowe, Rice, MeachemI am sure I am forgetting some, but that puts him early-mid 1nd, depending on league size.
 
Obviously this greatly depends on where he ends up, but at this point I would say the bottom of the 1st/top of the 2nd. I don't really see him going much lower than that, but I could see him moving up if he lands in a favorable spot.
im not as optimistic. Off the top of my head, id say 3rd round. First firm answer coming soon...
He should go after:Quinn, RussellAD, Lynch, Bush, PittmanGinn, JarrettThat puts him at 1.09 and several other guys that he could go after like-Jackson, Irons, HuntBowe, Rice, MeachemI am sure I am forgetting some, but that puts him early-mid 1nd, depending on league size.
you forgot calvin.Brian Leonard's value is ALL about what team he goes to. He will need a chance to show what he can do on the football field. I think he has some sneaky upside, but I wouldn't go out of my way to draft him unless he landed somewhere sweet.
 
Obviously this greatly depends on where he ends up, but at this point I would say the bottom of the 1st/top of the 2nd. I don't really see him going much lower than that, but I could see him moving up if he lands in a favorable spot.
im not as optimistic. Off the top of my head, id say 3rd round. First firm answer coming soon...
He should go after:Quinn, RussellAD, Lynch, Bush, PittmanGinn, JarrettThat puts him at 1.09 and several other guys that he could go after like-Jackson, Irons, HuntBowe, Rice, MeachemI am sure I am forgetting some, but that puts him early-mid 1nd, depending on league size.
you forgot calvin.Brian Leonard's value is ALL about what team he goes to. He will need a chance to show what he can do on the football field. I think he has some sneaky upside, but I wouldn't go out of my way to draft him unless he landed somewhere sweet.
:) I knew I was forgetting someone. Thanks
 
Could he be a power back in an I? Like be a Steelers type RB?

saw part of a Rutgers game this year, that was it, looked OK but hard to gather much in what little I saw

How about comparing him to what's his name, FB for the Falcons?

 
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I followed Leonard pretty closely in the 2004 and 2005 seasons because he was on my college fantasy team. In 2004 he had 199 carries for 732 yards and 7 TD's. He also caught 61 passes for 518 yards and 2 TD's. He really busted out in 2005 with 173 carries for 768 yards and 11 TD's while catching 55 balls for 568 yards and 6 TD's. In 2005 Ray Rice started to emerge, and that is the only reason that Leonard slipped in 2006. He became more of a FB since Rice was there. Leonard has the ability and talent to be a full time RB in the NFL IMO. He may not be the fastest guy around, but he is a tough runner inside while busting the occassional long one, he can block, and he has some of the best hands around. One of my top sleepers for 2007. :shrug: :2cents:

 
Could he be a power back in an I? Like be a Steelers type RB?saw part of a Rutgers game this year, that was it, looked OK but hard to gather much in what little I sawHow about comparing him to what's his name, FB for the Falcons?
He's not a power back, but he's not afraid to put his head down and move the pile either. He's a much better offensive weapon than Justin Griffith.
 
I am a big fan of Leonard and think he will be a very versatile weapon for an NFL team that is going to utilize his full skill set. He was a 4 year starter at Rutgers and has shown what he can do at FB, even in a blocking/receiving role. He slimmed down for the Senior Bowl and will probably remain that way for the combine because he wants to show that he is fast for a guy his size and can do well as a RB. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to play FB. He is a team player and will play in any role the coach wants him too. He proved that at Rutgers. However, by showing that he can be a RB and making sure he gets the best possible combine numbers he is trying to increase his NFL draft value. Everyone knows what he can do as a FB and a receiver. He has also run the ball a good amount at Rutgers before last season, but that is the part of his game that he needs to showcase at this time. It was a strategic move, not a move that indicates he doesn't want to play any particular position. I guarantee he will line up wherever the coach tells him to without complaint.

ETA - Obviously his fantasy value is going to be partially determined by what team drafts him. This is true for most players. If he winds up on a team like CLE, where he could possibly get the majority of carries, his value could be huge. More realistically, I think he winds up on a team like PHI where he can be a combination of Cooley and B. Jacobs. Combine Cooley and Jacob’s points and you have a very good fantasy RB, even though he gets his points in a less conventional way than a standard RB.

 
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RC94 said:
I am a big fan of Leonard and think he will be a very versatile weapon for an NFL team that is going to utilize his full skill set. He was a 4 year starter at Rutgers and has shown what he can do at FB, even in a blocking/receiving role. He slimmed down for the Senior Bowl and will probably remain that way for the combine because he wants to show that he is fast for a guy his size and can do well as a RB. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to play FB. He is a team player and will play in any role the coach wants him too. He proved that at Rutgers. However, by showing that he can be a RB and making sure he gets the best possible combine numbers he is trying to increase his NFL draft value. Everyone knows what he can do as a FB and a receiver. He has also run the ball a good amount at Rutgers before last season, but that is the part of his game that he needs to showcase at this time. It was a strategic move, not a move that indicates he doesn't want to play any particular position. I guarantee he will line up wherever the coach tells him to without complaint.ETA - Obviously his fantasy value is going to be partially determined by what team drafts him. This is true for most players. If he winds up on a team like CLE, where he could possibly get the majority of carries, his value could be huge. More realistically, I think he winds up on a team like PHI where he can be a combination of Cooley and B. Jacobs. Combine Cooley and Jacob’s points and you have a very good fantasy RB, even though he gets his points in a less conventional way than a standard RB.
I agree with most of this. As a Rutgers grad and season ticket holder, I have seen Leonard in action for 4 years. He will be very underrated going into next season, but I expect him to have an immediate impact. He's a good inside runner who is very hard to tackle, and has some quickness in the open field and athletic ability (if you've seen the Leonard Leap, you already know this). He has a couple of things going for him that make him a real wild card in this draft. As others have pointed out, it's a weak RB class, so his versatility makes him more valuable in comparison to some of his peers, big RBs like Bush, Pittman, Hunt. Leonard is also a great "character" guy, so if a team gets into a situation where they have him and another guy ranked evenly, he'll get the nod because of his unselfishness and leadership abilities.I think he is one guy who can be really affected by the combines. He's listed as a 4.6 in the 40, and if he can get that down, through his weight loss and predraft workouts, his value will rise if he is seen as a potential lead back. If not, his value will be determined by what teams have interest. Rumors of the Eagles, Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos liking him make sense, because all of those teams could use a big, sure-handed back as part of a RBBC to control the ball late in games, and in the case of the Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos, his pass-catching ablility would be especially useful. I would look for one of those teams to grab Leonard in the 2nd round. The 1st round seems too high for me, and I doubt he drops to the 3rd. I wouldn't put it past one of these teams to move up in the 2nd to grab him if they are worried he might be gone when their turn comes.
 
I would LOVE to see the Steelers grab him to spell FWP. He can be a contributor right now - he's humble, unselfish, smart, athletic, can block with the best of them, has great hands, and is a leader. The only thing he lacks is top-end speed and wiggle, but he could easily be a 100 carry, 40 reception back in the NFL next season.

 
RC94 said:
I am a big fan of Leonard and think he will be a very versatile weapon for an NFL team that is going to utilize his full skill set. He was a 4 year starter at Rutgers and has shown what he can do at FB, even in a blocking/receiving role. He slimmed down for the Senior Bowl and will probably remain that way for the combine because he wants to show that he is fast for a guy his size and can do well as a RB. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to play FB. He is a team player and will play in any role the coach wants him too. He proved that at Rutgers. However, by showing that he can be a RB and making sure he gets the best possible combine numbers he is trying to increase his NFL draft value. Everyone knows what he can do as a FB and a receiver. He has also run the ball a good amount at Rutgers before last season, but that is the part of his game that he needs to showcase at this time. It was a strategic move, not a move that indicates he doesn't want to play any particular position. I guarantee he will line up wherever the coach tells him to without complaint.ETA - Obviously his fantasy value is going to be partially determined by what team drafts him. This is true for most players. If he winds up on a team like CLE, where he could possibly get the majority of carries, his value could be huge. More realistically, I think he winds up on a team like PHI where he can be a combination of Cooley and B. Jacobs. Combine Cooley and Jacob’s points and you have a very good fantasy RB, even though he gets his points in a less conventional way than a standard RB.
I agree with most of this. As a Rutgers grad and season ticket holder, I have seen Leonard in action for 4 years. He will be very underrated going into next season, but I expect him to have an immediate impact. He's a good inside runner who is very hard to tackle, and has some quickness in the open field and athletic ability (if you've seen the Leonard Leap, you already know this). He has a couple of things going for him that make him a real wild card in this draft. As others have pointed out, it's a weak RB class, so his versatility makes him more valuable in comparison to some of his peers, big RBs like Bush, Pittman, Hunt. Leonard is also a great "character" guy, so if a team gets into a situation where they have him and another guy ranked evenly, he'll get the nod because of his unselfishness and leadership abilities.I think he is one guy who can be really affected by the combines. He's listed as a 4.6 in the 40, and if he can get that down, through his weight loss and predraft workouts, his value will rise if he is seen as a potential lead back. If not, his value will be determined by what teams have interest. Rumors of the Eagles, Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos liking him make sense, because all of those teams could use a big, sure-handed back as part of a RBBC to control the ball late in games, and in the case of the Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos, his pass-catching ablility would be especially useful. I would look for one of those teams to grab Leonard in the 2nd round. The 1st round seems too high for me, and I doubt he drops to the 3rd. I wouldn't put it past one of these teams to move up in the 2nd to grab him if they are worried he might be gone when their turn comes.
I am also a Rutgers grad and have seen most of the games he has played in.
 
RC94 said:
I am a big fan of Leonard and think he will be a very versatile weapon for an NFL team that is going to utilize his full skill set. He was a 4 year starter at Rutgers and has shown what he can do at FB, even in a blocking/receiving role. He slimmed down for the Senior Bowl and will probably remain that way for the combine because he wants to show that he is fast for a guy his size and can do well as a RB. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to play FB. He is a team player and will play in any role the coach wants him too. He proved that at Rutgers. However, by showing that he can be a RB and making sure he gets the best possible combine numbers he is trying to increase his NFL draft value. Everyone knows what he can do as a FB and a receiver. He has also run the ball a good amount at Rutgers before last season, but that is the part of his game that he needs to showcase at this time. It was a strategic move, not a move that indicates he doesn't want to play any particular position. I guarantee he will line up wherever the coach tells him to without complaint.ETA - Obviously his fantasy value is going to be partially determined by what team drafts him. This is true for most players. If he winds up on a team like CLE, where he could possibly get the majority of carries, his value could be huge. More realistically, I think he winds up on a team like PHI where he can be a combination of Cooley and B. Jacobs. Combine Cooley and Jacob’s points and you have a very good fantasy RB, even though he gets his points in a less conventional way than a standard RB.
I agree with most of this. As a Rutgers grad and season ticket holder, I have seen Leonard in action for 4 years. He will be very underrated going into next season, but I expect him to have an immediate impact. He's a good inside runner who is very hard to tackle, and has some quickness in the open field and athletic ability (if you've seen the Leonard Leap, you already know this). He has a couple of things going for him that make him a real wild card in this draft. As others have pointed out, it's a weak RB class, so his versatility makes him more valuable in comparison to some of his peers, big RBs like Bush, Pittman, Hunt. Leonard is also a great "character" guy, so if a team gets into a situation where they have him and another guy ranked evenly, he'll get the nod because of his unselfishness and leadership abilities.I think he is one guy who can be really affected by the combines. He's listed as a 4.6 in the 40, and if he can get that down, through his weight loss and predraft workouts, his value will rise if he is seen as a potential lead back. If not, his value will be determined by what teams have interest. Rumors of the Eagles, Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos liking him make sense, because all of those teams could use a big, sure-handed back as part of a RBBC to control the ball late in games, and in the case of the Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos, his pass-catching ablility would be especially useful. I would look for one of those teams to grab Leonard in the 2nd round. The 1st round seems too high for me, and I doubt he drops to the 3rd. I wouldn't put it past one of these teams to move up in the 2nd to grab him if they are worried he might be gone when their turn comes.
I am also a Rutgers grad and have seen most of the games he has played in.
Which is why you gave such a good assessment of Leonard's skills. Alot of commentors look at his stats and see mediocre numbers, but if you watch him play, you know he's special, talented and coachable. I just hope it translates to the NFL. He'll probably have to retire the Leap, and take less contact on his runs, or he may not hold up to the punishment.
 
RC94 said:
I am a big fan of Leonard and think he will be a very versatile weapon for an NFL team that is going to utilize his full skill set. He was a 4 year starter at Rutgers and has shown what he can do at FB, even in a blocking/receiving role. He slimmed down for the Senior Bowl and will probably remain that way for the combine because he wants to show that he is fast for a guy his size and can do well as a RB. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to play FB. He is a team player and will play in any role the coach wants him too. He proved that at Rutgers. However, by showing that he can be a RB and making sure he gets the best possible combine numbers he is trying to increase his NFL draft value. Everyone knows what he can do as a FB and a receiver. He has also run the ball a good amount at Rutgers before last season, but that is the part of his game that he needs to showcase at this time. It was a strategic move, not a move that indicates he doesn't want to play any particular position. I guarantee he will line up wherever the coach tells him to without complaint.ETA - Obviously his fantasy value is going to be partially determined by what team drafts him. This is true for most players. If he winds up on a team like CLE, where he could possibly get the majority of carries, his value could be huge. More realistically, I think he winds up on a team like PHI where he can be a combination of Cooley and B. Jacobs. Combine Cooley and Jacob’s points and you have a very good fantasy RB, even though he gets his points in a less conventional way than a standard RB.
I agree with most of this. As a Rutgers grad and season ticket holder, I have seen Leonard in action for 4 years. He will be very underrated going into next season, but I expect him to have an immediate impact. He's a good inside runner who is very hard to tackle, and has some quickness in the open field and athletic ability (if you've seen the Leonard Leap, you already know this). He has a couple of things going for him that make him a real wild card in this draft. As others have pointed out, it's a weak RB class, so his versatility makes him more valuable in comparison to some of his peers, big RBs like Bush, Pittman, Hunt. Leonard is also a great "character" guy, so if a team gets into a situation where they have him and another guy ranked evenly, he'll get the nod because of his unselfishness and leadership abilities.I think he is one guy who can be really affected by the combines. He's listed as a 4.6 in the 40, and if he can get that down, through his weight loss and predraft workouts, his value will rise if he is seen as a potential lead back. If not, his value will be determined by what teams have interest. Rumors of the Eagles, Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos liking him make sense, because all of those teams could use a big, sure-handed back as part of a RBBC to control the ball late in games, and in the case of the Steelers, Bucs, and Broncos, his pass-catching ablility would be especially useful. I would look for one of those teams to grab Leonard in the 2nd round. The 1st round seems too high for me, and I doubt he drops to the 3rd. I wouldn't put it past one of these teams to move up in the 2nd to grab him if they are worried he might be gone when their turn comes.
I am also a Rutgers grad and have seen most of the games he has played in.
Which is why you gave such a good assessment of Leonard's skills. Alot of commentors look at his stats and see mediocre numbers, but if you watch him play, you know he's special, talented and coachable. I just hope it translates to the NFL. He'll probably have to retire the Leap, and take less contact on his runs, or he may not hold up to the punishment.
I agree about the leap. It was fun while it lasted, but it won't really work in the NFL and will get him injured.
 
I'm thinking if he is put in a good situation he could be a good guy to target in a ppr league. I don't ever see him taking the bulk of the carries, but if he gets enough goal line touches he could put up some points. I don't want to compare him to Alstott, because JG doesn't know how to use him :pics: but if he goes to a team like Baltimore or Denver I could easily see him being a top 5 rookie pick.
very intersted in Leonard from what I'm hearing... :2cents:
 
I have to think his upside is as a Larry Centers type guy with better running skills.

I can't imagine him ever carrying the load in the NFL, or a tem giving him that shot.

 
Obviously this greatly depends on where he ends up, but at this point I would say the bottom of the 1st/top of the 2nd. I don't really see him going much lower than that, but I could see him moving up if he lands in a favorable spot.
Eagles 2nd draft pick if he is still there.
 
Man I wish I had never seen this thread. I think B Leonard will have some good value in a PPR league. Plus since he is a great blocker he will be on the field sooner than most rookie Rb's.

 
Man I wish I had never seen this thread. I think B Leonard will have some good value in a PPR league. Plus since he is a great blocker he will be on the field sooner than most rookie Rb's.
:banned: You and me both, but you know, these things come out over time to FBGs anyway. I feel "exposed" as a staffer, yet I still get some finds. It happens.This is why you dominate non-FBGs. The hardest competition are fellow FBGs, by far.
 
Now my thoughts.

This guy is a solid sleeper, but not as deep as you might think.

The scouts know this guy, not based on this year but on years past. He has performed well before Mr. Rice came to the RU backfield, and he's such a team player that he stayed in school, moved to FB and helped the team however he could. Now he gets to leave holding his head high, a participant in the biggest game the school has seen in many years, and a winner on many levels.

That attitude of "Team first" helps, but his size (224) and hands (great receiver) make him a threat from the backfield. The best comparison I can come up with is Alstott mixed with Cooley, but he's more of a bigger-sized runner than a goal line, move the pile guy. He's just big. He slimmed down from 238 to 224 for the Senior Bowl because he wants to be a tailback, and he can.

I can easily see him being a complimentary back in Year 1, a fantastic third down guy who can catch and block a blitzer. Moreover, I can see him with 100-125 carries a year and 50+ receptions. Only 30-39 RBs a year get 160+ touches, so he's valuable and very much so in PPR.

I'm ready to roll on this bandwagon.

(and yes, I just drafted him in WSL2) :banned:

 
Forgot to mention - Brian Leonard will not get out of the 2nd round at the draft. That's a virtual lock.

Like I said, Philly is one of many teams (Denver as well, and TB) that like him a lot.

 
Forgot to mention - Brian Leonard will not get out of the 2nd round at the draft. That's a virtual lock.Like I said, Philly is one of many teams (Denver as well, and TB) that like him a lot.
I could see Tampa drafting him if Alstott announces his retirement prior to the draft. If not, we would have way too many ball carriers for a team that goes 3 and out most of the game. Tampa does have an exta 2nd, so if JG thinks the kid is talented enough he pay pick him. I really do think Tampa's 2a pick is too early for him, but if he runs under 4.5 at the combine he may not slip out of the first.
 
Forgot to mention - Brian Leonard will not get out of the 2nd round at the draft. That's a virtual lock.Like I said, Philly is one of many teams (Denver as well, and TB) that like him a lot.
I've seen alot of speculation about the Eagles, and it makes sense, but as a Giants fan, this kills me. I'd like to see Denver or the Jets take him instead. Even Pittsburgh.As far as the original question, I think Leonard's position in rookie drafts is hard to gauge until we see what kind of situation he's drafted into. Unlike other, more traditional RBs, who will be drafted based on the assumption they will eventually ascend to the top of the depth chart, there are several scenarios to consider with Leonard. If someone like Denver or the Jets took him, his value would be higher based on his potential to be the lead runner. But if Pitt, TB, or Philly takes him, his upside is limited by virtue of the guy in front of him.
 
^ to see what the pool thinks about BL *Dynasty wise* - now that he's landed in STL

The rams are one of the few teams where (IMO) he'll have a tougher time getting on the field w/ SJax quickly becoming one of the better pass catching RBs in the league. I can see some spot duty, but it's hard to envision any type of dependable (much less RBBC) role in his immediate future - barring injury to SJax.

 
I still think he is going to be a very good NFL player, but his fantasy impact while in STL is going to be much less than it could have been on other teams, such as PHI.

 
I think Leonard could get 20-25% of the work in STL.

They want to use him, they are just learning exactly how best to do that.

They want SJax to last a while, and they know that to make him more durable is to let him do less now and then.

Most teams have 400+ carries (25 / game), so giving Leonard 5-6 a game isn't much but adds up to 80-100 for the year.

I think he contributes more as a receiver. Don't expect SJax to be anywhere close to his catch totals (90 IIRC) from last season.

Leonard for 30-35 catches, SJax for 50-60.

 
I think Leonard could get 20-25% of the work in STL.They want to use him, they are just learning exactly how best to do that.They want SJax to last a while, and they know that to make him more durable is to let him do less now and then.Most teams have 400+ carries (25 / game), so giving Leonard 5-6 a game isn't much but adds up to 80-100 for the year.I think he contributes more as a receiver. Don't expect SJax to be anywhere close to his catch totals (90 IIRC) from last season.Leonard for 30-35 catches, SJax for 50-60.
Leonard could get 30-35 catches and SJax could hit 90 again. The 2006 Rams RBs had 126 receptions last year, 4th most in the NFL the past five years.
 
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