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Where Will Larry Johnson Play in 2009? (1 Viewer)

Jeff Tefertiller

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I found a good article on Johnson that also includes some interesting stats on RBs after given a big contract.

LJ made it clear today that he wants out of KC. The reasons are simple. He doesn’t feel comfortable or appreciated. It’s pretty basic. He has never fit into our city and you can bet your life, he never will. He knows it just like we know it. He wants to go. We want him to go. This is a divorce made in heaven if there ever was one.

I’ve never really had a strong opinion on LJ as a person – certainly not the vociferous kind the majority seem to have. I would never have felt the need to boo him at a basketball game. That’s just childish. However, I also have never rooted for him – even when he had back-to-back 1,700+ yards in 2005-06. I liked Priest. I wanted Priest and felt LJ was a necessary evil when PH got injured. When it became clear that LJ was our man, I think most of us realized he was nothing more than a temporary fix to an aging team.

Obviously, LJ created much of his own persona with his lifestyle, off-the-field problems, etc. That’s been discussed to death. Nothing new. At the same time, we are partially to blame. We never treated LJ as a star, as someone that we wanted. We never looked at him like Gonzalez or even Green. LJ had the second highest NFL total for most yards in consecutive seasons – and most of us yawned. Jared Allen had just as many off-the-field problems as LJ. He got 15.5 sacks one season and suddenly he was our hero. Can anyone alive make sense out of that? Well, of course, I think we all can make sense out of it. We just don’t want to. We don’t want to hear it from anyone else and we don’t want to hear it from ourselves. I suddenly have a vision of an ostrich.

I have no intentions of giving LJ a free ride. He was never personable or approachable. He clearly has/had a chip on his shoulder. He expected too much from us and he gave too little of himself. At the same time, he performed as well on the field as anyone should have expected over the course of his career. The fact that he didn’t like us and we didn’t like him is secondary. What really gripes me is that he should have been traded after the 2006 season. KC should have begun the rebuilding process right then. I wrote about this issue in King Carl needs to go. Reason #I. The focus was that Johnson should have been traded right then. The fact that he wasn’t traded - instead given a huge contract - just made us dislike him all the more.

Below is a table from that post. I can now fill in 2008 numbers (Yr2).

Rusher Avg Yr1 Yr2 Yr3 Yr4

T. Davis 1,879 211 282 701 0

E. Campbell 1,655 538 1301 190 278

T. Davis 1,644 2008 211 282 701

OJ Simpson 1,627 1125 1817 1503 557

G. Riggs 1,602 1327 875 488 834

P. Holmes 1,585 1420 892 451 0

A. Green 1,562 1163 255 1059 260

R. Williams 1,549 1372 0 743 0

G. Riggs 1,523 875 488 834 475

D. McAllister 1,515 1074 335 1057 92

L. Johnson 1,770 559 874 NA NA

Average 1,614 1,111 667 731 320

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The point of this evaluation was to recognize that when a player has back-to-back seasons with an average of 1,500 yards or more, they are largely used up. We could have traded him while his stock was high. We didn’t and it is part of the reason Peterson is gone and part of the reason we are 2-14 with a high-priced disgruntled running back!

Unfortunately, over the last two seasons fans saw the drop off in production and made the leap that it is a mental function – that he doesn’t try, that he got his big contract and no longer cares, etc. Maybe. Maybe not. All you have to do is look at the table above to realize it was probably inevitable.

I’m not sure there is anything much worse than first being tolerated, second having near record back-to-back seasons and third being vilified for not making it three or four in a row.

I’m not an LJ fan. I never was and never will be. I’m like most of us in this respect. Because of that, if I were LJ, I would want out of here and not soon enough. The problem for the Chiefs is that he will be tough to unload. Instead of building a team, Pioli’s first job may (instead) be tearing it down.

 
Due to his contract, LJ will only go as far as he's willing to renegotiate it. We'll see how badly he really wants out when he realizes he's going to have to take a serious pay cut.

 
A) No team is going to give up much for LJ, simply due to the mileage and the chip on his shoulder. I would be surprised if someone offered more than a 4th rounder+ for him. And I'm not sure KC would even entertain that...

B) He would definitely have to renegotiate that contract to go somewhere else. I can't see many teams willing to stomach that contract. Probably leaves it in LJ's corner if he's willing to entertain that. Might be his only ticket out of KC...

As an LJ owner in my main league, and being a complete and utter moron for trading for him right before the 2008 season, I REALLY hope he winds up in NE or AZ or a top team that is just one or two pieces away...

 
I love how NFL players do this. They bash the team and say they want out due to $$$$. Then they get their big payday, say how great the franchise is and tell the media it had nothing to do with money it was all about respect. Then after a year or two on good....or descent, behavior they start complaining about the team again. While they expect everyone to forget about all the upfront money they got.

That would basically be like me buying a car while putting 20% down on it as a down payment driving it for a year and then gettingma new car with another down payment and again and again. Well of course the dealership is gonna like that. Your getting more money upfront and more of it.

I never really thought LJ was that good I just thought he played behind a great offensive line and had a very good running scheme. During his Great (sarcasim) career he has really only been the man for 2 years.

I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to take this guy on for anything. If my team paid a fifth rounder for him and the league minimum I would be disappointed. There are malcotents out there, sure, but most of them bring something to the table. I don't believe LJ does.

 
What do you think the value of Charles is now? Is he going to be THE man in KC, what are some predictions for next season? I'm in a ten man keeper league and have these RB's most likely kept (Westbrook, Bush, Kevin Smith, Pierre Thomas, Jon Stewart) and am still thinking about Charles. What do you think?

 
What do you think the value of Charles is now? Is he going to be THE man in KC, what are some predictions for next season? I'm in a ten man keeper league and have these RB's most likely kept (Westbrook, Bush, Kevin Smith, Pierre Thomas, Jon Stewart) and am still thinking about Charles. What do you think?
I think it way too early to tell what way Pioli and Haley will go. He will more than likely be the best RETURNING RB on the roster, but that may not mean much.
 
What do you think the value of Charles is now? Is he going to be THE man in KC, what are some predictions for next season? I'm in a ten man keeper league and have these RB's most likely kept (Westbrook, Bush, Kevin Smith, Pierre Thomas, Jon Stewart) and am still thinking about Charles. What do you think?
Not much.I predict Pioli/Haley will exterminate LJ, but they won't rely on Charles. They'll draft a guy, sign a guy, something. I actually love Charles and want him to get more carries, but not twice as much -- more like a legit 10-12 carries a game instead of three or four. The best you can hope for is that the new coaching staff isn't as ######ed as the previous one and actually uses him a bit, especially on kickoffs where he looked great at times.
 
Fixed your table and your link...

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Rusher		  Avg	 Yr1	 Yr2	 Yr3	Yr4T.Davis	   1,879	 211	 282	 701	  0E.Campbell	1,655	 538   1,301	 190	278T.Davis	   1,644   2,008	 211	 282	701O.J.Simpson   1,627   1,125   1,817   1,503	557G.Riggs	   1,602   1,327	 875	 488	834P.Holmes	  1,585   1,420	 892	 451	  0A.Green	   1,562   1,163	 255   1,059	260R.Williams	1,549   1,372	   0	 743	  0G.Riggs	   1,523	 875	 488	 834	475D.McAllister  1,515   1,074	 335   1,057	 92L.Johnson	 1,770	 559	 874	 N/A	N/AAverage	   1,614   1,111	 667	 731	320
 
Fixed your table and your link...

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Rusher Avg Yr1 Yr2 Yr3 Yr4T.Davis 1,879 211 282 701 0E.Campbell 1,655 538 1,301 190 278T.Davis 1,644 2,008 211 282 701O.J.Simpson 1,627 1,125 1,817 1,503 557G.Riggs 1,602 1,327 875 488 834P.Holmes 1,585 1,420 892 451 0A.Green 1,562 1,163 255 1,059 260R.Williams 1,549 1,372 0 743 0G.Riggs 1,523 875 488 834 475D.McAllister 1,515 1,074 335 1,057 92L.Johnson 1,770 559 874 N/A N/AAverage 1,614 1,111 667 731 320
FWIW, I think age probably has a lot to do with these down falls. What are the ages they get their big contracts? Isn't usually their first one after their rookie deal?The timing looks a lot like they hit the 29/30 yo RB wall.

 
Due to his contract, LJ will only go as far as he's willing to renegotiate it. We'll see how badly he really wants out when he realizes he's going to have to take a serious pay cut.
He did say he would be open to KC releasing him, so it seems he realizes that a pay cut is coming.
 
Due to his contract, LJ will only go as far as he's willing to renegotiate it. We'll see how badly he really wants out when he realizes he's going to have to take a serious pay cut.
He did say he would be open to KC releasing him, so it seems he realizes that a pay cut is coming.
Johnson signed a relatively atypical contract in 2007. He got a $12.5 million signing bonus, but his first three years of salary were guaranteed. So if my interpretation of "guranteed" is accurate (and who knows these days what contract language actually means), he would be due $4.55 million if he gets cut.
 
Due to his contract, LJ will only go as far as he's willing to renegotiate it. We'll see how badly he really wants out when he realizes he's going to have to take a serious pay cut.
He did say he would be open to KC releasing him, so it seems he realizes that a pay cut is coming.
Johnson signed a relatively atypical contract in 2007. He got a $12.5 million signing bonus, but his first three years of salary were guaranteed. So if my interpretation of "guranteed" is accurate (and who knows these days what contract language actually means), he would be due $4.55 million if he gets cut.
Thanks. I guess its easier to say he'd be ok with getting cut if that's the case. I do wonder if him signing with a new team would negate that guaranteed year.
 
Due to his contract, LJ will only go as far as he's willing to renegotiate it. We'll see how badly he really wants out when he realizes he's going to have to take a serious pay cut.
He did say he would be open to KC releasing him, so it seems he realizes that a pay cut is coming.
Johnson signed a relatively atypical contract in 2007. He got a $12.5 million signing bonus, but his first three years of salary were guaranteed. So if my interpretation of "guranteed" is accurate (and who knows these days what contract language actually means), he would be due $4.55 million if he gets cut.
Nice golden parachute. Well played, LJ, but you won't be seeing that kind of money ever again (per year).
 
The sad thing about LJ is that he still looks like the guy who got 1500+ yards, he just doesn't have any room to run most of the time. He's still got a surprising burst in the open field (check out his long runs last year), and he's still got the game of a finisher who can salt away the win. Too bad the Chiefs aren't winning many games, and too bad they switched to a spread pistol college offense halfway through the season. They weren't using LJ as a hoss (unlike say, the way Atlanta used Turner), but it might be a good thing for the next 2-3 years of his career if he can land on a team that will use him that way, because between the season ending foot injury in 07, and the smaller piece of the pie he got last year, he should be fresh into his 30s.

I like the fit in Seattle, Arizona, and New England. I wonder if Green Bay would be interested. LJ says he wants to go to the East Coast or Dallas (not that that matters). Mike Lombardi said the Saints should be "all over" LJ if he's available in the trade market.

I'd say it's still at least 50/50 he's in a Chiefs uniform on opening day 2009, the trade market for RBs is brutal. Why give up a 2nd for LJ when you can get a fresh version in Greene or Donald Brown for a lot cheaper with the same pick?

 
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Maybe LJ to NE for Cassell and Maroney? Pioli gets his guys back and gets rid of baggage. Makes sense so it will probably not happen.

 
Maybe LJ to NE for Cassell and Maroney? Pioli gets his guys back and gets rid of baggage. Makes sense so it will probably not happen.
I don't even know if they could get Maroney straight up. Cassel is worth many many times more than LJ is.
 
Maybe LJ to NE for Cassell and Maroney? Pioli gets his guys back and gets rid of baggage. Makes sense so it will probably not happen.
More like No. 34 overall and LJ for Cassell -- IF Belichick is feeling frisky.
Cassel is worth at least what Schaub fetched - 2 2nds - and I dont think LJ is worth a 2nd. the #34 is a high 2nd, but I would argue that with Cassel's more proven track record than Schaub (at the time of the trade), Cassel's price STARTS at a 2009 first + more. The team that's probably in the best position to haggle is the Lions, who can dangle the #20 and #33, since they have 2 3rds and the #1 overall - of course, thats if they dont fall in love with Stafford or Sanchez.
 
I will be honest, I have never seen such a march to bury somebody as we all seem to be having for LJ.

It's easy to hate the guy because he's clearly a goof personally. But professionally speaking, I feel like his funeral (which began before this past season even began) has been way way too soon to come. Here's why:

----While he had the crazy 400+ carry season, he sat behind Priest early and had 140 carries in his first two seasons combined.

---He's only going into his 7th season.

---While his numbers have been bad the last two seasons, he's been playing on a horrendous team. They have ranked 20th, 20th, and 22nd the last 3 years in passing.

HORRENDOUS. They have had ZERO consistency out of QB for the last couple years, he's faced a lot of 8 man in the box D, and even the best RB is going to see their figures suffer when they ARE the only option on offense.

Nobody, and I mean, nobody is talking about the above factors. I know he's a jerk....and I don't necessarily wish him well, but I think he's entirely capable of going somewhere with a good line and a QB that the D has to respect and being productive again. I think rotoworld or another service made the comparison to Corey Dillon after he left Cincy.

Anybody else feeling me?

 
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Maybe LJ to NE for Cassell and Maroney? Pioli gets his guys back and gets rid of baggage. Makes sense so it will probably not happen.
More like No. 34 overall and LJ for Cassell -- IF Belichick is feeling frisky.
Cassel is worth at least what Schaub fetched - 2 2nds - and I dont think LJ is worth a 2nd. the #34 is a high 2nd, but I would argue that with Cassel's more proven track record than Schaub (at the time of the trade), Cassel's price STARTS at a 2009 first + more. The team that's probably in the best position to haggle is the Lions, who can dangle the #20 and #33, since they have 2 3rds and the #1 overall - of course, thats if they dont fall in love with Stafford or Sanchez.
I discussed LJ to the Pats for Cassel in one of the other Cassel threads, speciufically adding in Maroney. It would be a very tough sell to KC.NE would take a very minor salary cap hit for getting rid of Maroney and no salary cap hit at all for getting rid of Cassel. So far, so good.However, depending upon the way Johnson's contract was logged for salary cap accounting purposes, KC might have to take a fairly big salary cap hit to get rid of LJ. He received a $12.5 million bonus AND had the first three years of his contract guaranteed. So it seems like he has to get paid $4.5 million for 2009 no matter what (and he also has numerous other roster and per game bonuses as well). I'm not sure the Pats will want Johnson at the price tag he carries, and I'm not sure the Chiefs will want to pay him the $4.5 million in salary that he's owed. From what I can tell, he's due that money no matter what happens even if he's released (unless the contract terms that I saw are wrong).Then there's the matter of the Chiefs having to pony up a big pay day for Cassel. So as I see it, Patriots would be looking to add Johnson at a discount and a high level pick. Chiefs would have to pay off Johnson, take a salary cap hit, and give Cassel a boatload of upfront money, and increase their salary cap hit for him as well.The money element aside, theoretically the Pats would be getting a bell cow RB AND a decent draft pick while the Chiefs would be getting another enigma at RB and an expensive QB with 1 year of game day experience out of the last 10 (and that playing for the greatest scoring offense in NFL history). Seems like the Pats would be getting the better of this one.
 
Cassel is worth at least what Schaub fetched - 2 2nds - and I dont think LJ is worth a 2nd. the #34 is a high 2nd, but I would argue that with Cassel's more proven track record than Schaub (at the time of the trade), Cassel's price STARTS at a 2009 first + more. The team that's probably in the best position to haggle is the Lions, who can dangle the #20 and #33, since they have 2 3rds and the #1 overall - of course, thats if they dont fall in love with Stafford or Sanchez.
The NFL doesn't work on the basis of being absolutely worth this or that because of what someone else did. First note that's easy to point out: The Texans aren't a model NFL franchise, so what THEY gave up -- it's not the NFL that determined Schaub's value -- isn't the barometer for what other teams give up.We'll have to see. Working against me is that only one team has to fall in love, but I don't think Cassell is worth what a lot of Pats fans are hoping he is.
 
Maybe LJ to NE for Cassell and Maroney? Pioli gets his guys back and gets rid of baggage. Makes sense so it will probably not happen.
More like No. 34 overall and LJ for Cassell -- IF Belichick is feeling frisky.
Cassel is worth at least what Schaub fetched - 2 2nds - and I dont think LJ is worth a 2nd. the #34 is a high 2nd, but I would argue that with Cassel's more proven track record than Schaub (at the time of the trade), Cassel's price STARTS at a 2009 first + more. The team that's probably in the best position to haggle is the Lions, who can dangle the #20 and #33, since they have 2 3rds and the #1 overall - of course, thats if they dont fall in love with Stafford or Sanchez.
I discussed LJ to the Pats for Cassel in one of the other Cassel threads, speciufically adding in Maroney. It would be a very tough sell to KC.NE would take a very minor salary cap hit for getting rid of Maroney and no salary cap hit at all for getting rid of Cassel. So far, so good.However, depending upon the way Johnson's contract was logged for salary cap accounting purposes, KC might have to take a fairly big salary cap hit to get rid of LJ. He received a $12.5 million bonus AND had the first three years of his contract guaranteed. So it seems like he has to get paid $4.5 million for 2009 no matter what (and he also has numerous other roster and per game bonuses as well). I'm not sure the Pats will want Johnson at the price tag he carries, and I'm not sure the Chiefs will want to pay him the $4.5 million in salary that he's owed. From what I can tell, he's due that money no matter what happens even if he's released (unless the contract terms that I saw are wrong).Then there's the matter of the Chiefs having to pony up a big pay day for Cassel. So as I see it, Patriots would be looking to add Johnson at a discount and a high level pick. Chiefs would have to pay off Johnson, take a salary cap hit, and give Cassel a boatload of upfront money, and increase their salary cap hit for him as well.The money element aside, theoretically the Pats would be getting a bell cow RB AND a decent draft pick while the Chiefs would be getting another enigma at RB and an expensive QB with 1 year of game day experience out of the last 10 (and that playing for the greatest scoring offense in NFL history). Seems like the Pats would be getting the better of this one.
What are the alternatives for a team that wants a possible franchise QB? Stafford and Sanchez will cost just as much if they're top 10 picks, and they are completely unproven at the NFL level + they can't step in right away. I maintain that the price for Cassel starts with a 2009 first and something else of value, and I wouldn't be surprised if they can get more. Supply and Demand...
 
Maybe LJ to NE for Cassell and Maroney? Pioli gets his guys back and gets rid of baggage. Makes sense so it will probably not happen.
More like No. 34 overall and LJ for Cassell -- IF Belichick is feeling frisky.
Cassel is worth at least what Schaub fetched - 2 2nds - and I dont think LJ is worth a 2nd. the #34 is a high 2nd, but I would argue that with Cassel's more proven track record than Schaub (at the time of the trade), Cassel's price STARTS at a 2009 first + more. The team that's probably in the best position to haggle is the Lions, who can dangle the #20 and #33, since they have 2 3rds and the #1 overall - of course, thats if they dont fall in love with Stafford or Sanchez.
I discussed LJ to the Pats for Cassel in one of the other Cassel threads, speciufically adding in Maroney. It would be a very tough sell to KC.NE would take a very minor salary cap hit for getting rid of Maroney and no salary cap hit at all for getting rid of Cassel. So far, so good.However, depending upon the way Johnson's contract was logged for salary cap accounting purposes, KC might have to take a fairly big salary cap hit to get rid of LJ. He received a $12.5 million bonus AND had the first three years of his contract guaranteed. So it seems like he has to get paid $4.5 million for 2009 no matter what (and he also has numerous other roster and per game bonuses as well). I'm not sure the Pats will want Johnson at the price tag he carries, and I'm not sure the Chiefs will want to pay him the $4.5 million in salary that he's owed. From what I can tell, he's due that money no matter what happens even if he's released (unless the contract terms that I saw are wrong).Then there's the matter of the Chiefs having to pony up a big pay day for Cassel. So as I see it, Patriots would be looking to add Johnson at a discount and a high level pick. Chiefs would have to pay off Johnson, take a salary cap hit, and give Cassel a boatload of upfront money, and increase their salary cap hit for him as well.The money element aside, theoretically the Pats would be getting a bell cow RB AND a decent draft pick while the Chiefs would be getting another enigma at RB and an expensive QB with 1 year of game day experience out of the last 10 (and that playing for the greatest scoring offense in NFL history). Seems like the Pats would be getting the better of this one.
What are the alternatives for a team that wants a possible franchise QB? Stafford and Sanchez will cost just as much if they're top 10 picks, and they are completely unproven at the NFL level + they can't step in right away. I maintain that the price for Cassel starts with a 2009 first and something else of value, and I wouldn't be surprised if they can get more. Supply and Demand...
Again, rehashing from other threads, I believe the Pats want to win now and would much rather have a bonafide starter than a Top 10 draft pick. I see them getting a player and a couple picks (like a 2nd and a 3rd or a 2nd and a 4th) for Cassel. It would minimize the risk and expense, something NE has been very good at doing for years.
 
Maybe LJ to NE for Cassell and Maroney? Pioli gets his guys back and gets rid of baggage. Makes sense so it will probably not happen.
More like No. 34 overall and LJ for Cassell -- IF Belichick is feeling frisky.
Cassel is worth at least what Schaub fetched - 2 2nds - and I dont think LJ is worth a 2nd. the #34 is a high 2nd, but I would argue that with Cassel's more proven track record than Schaub (at the time of the trade), Cassel's price STARTS at a 2009 first + more. The team that's probably in the best position to haggle is the Lions, who can dangle the #20 and #33, since they have 2 3rds and the #1 overall - of course, thats if they dont fall in love with Stafford or Sanchez.
I discussed LJ to the Pats for Cassel in one of the other Cassel threads, speciufically adding in Maroney. It would be a very tough sell to KC.NE would take a very minor salary cap hit for getting rid of Maroney and no salary cap hit at all for getting rid of Cassel. So far, so good.However, depending upon the way Johnson's contract was logged for salary cap accounting purposes, KC might have to take a fairly big salary cap hit to get rid of LJ. He received a $12.5 million bonus AND had the first three years of his contract guaranteed. So it seems like he has to get paid $4.5 million for 2009 no matter what (and he also has numerous other roster and per game bonuses as well). I'm not sure the Pats will want Johnson at the price tag he carries, and I'm not sure the Chiefs will want to pay him the $4.5 million in salary that he's owed. From what I can tell, he's due that money no matter what happens even if he's released (unless the contract terms that I saw are wrong).Then there's the matter of the Chiefs having to pony up a big pay day for Cassel. So as I see it, Patriots would be looking to add Johnson at a discount and a high level pick. Chiefs would have to pay off Johnson, take a salary cap hit, and give Cassel a boatload of upfront money, and increase their salary cap hit for him as well.The money element aside, theoretically the Pats would be getting a bell cow RB AND a decent draft pick while the Chiefs would be getting another enigma at RB and an expensive QB with 1 year of game day experience out of the last 10 (and that playing for the greatest scoring offense in NFL history). Seems like the Pats would be getting the better of this one.
What are the alternatives for a team that wants a possible franchise QB? Stafford and Sanchez will cost just as much if they're top 10 picks, and they are completely unproven at the NFL level + they can't step in right away. I maintain that the price for Cassel starts with a 2009 first and something else of value, and I wouldn't be surprised if they can get more. Supply and Demand...
Again, rehashing from other threads, I believe the Pats want to win now and would much rather have a bonafide starter than a Top 10 draft pick. I see them getting a player and a couple picks (like a 2nd and a 3rd or a 2nd and a 4th) for Cassel. It would minimize the risk and expense, something NE has been very good at doing for years.
Oh Im with you, Im just sayin the Pats get to determine the price much more than the buyer does, and that Cassel is a very valuable commodity even if he's "an expensive QB with 1 year of game day experience out of the last 10", because the alternatives are expensive QBs with zero game day experience or less expensive QBs with experience, but the kind that doesn't give you that much confidence, at best.
 
kevthegrad said:
I will be honest, I have never seen such a march to bury somebody as we all seem to be having for LJ.It's easy to hate the guy because he's clearly a goof personally. But professionally speaking, I feel like his funeral (which began before this past season even began) has been way way too soon to come. Here's why:----While he had the crazy 400+ carry season, he sat behind Priest early and had 140 carries in his first two seasons combined.---He's only going into his 7th season.---While his numbers have been bad the last two seasons, he's been playing on a horrendous team. They have ranked 20th, 20th, and 22nd the last 3 years in passing.HORRENDOUS. They have had ZERO consistency out of QB for the last couple years, he's faced a lot of 8 man in the box D, and even the best RB is going to see their figures suffer when they ARE the only option on offense.Nobody, and I mean, nobody is talking about the above factors. I know he's a jerk....and I don't necessarily wish him well, but I think he's entirely capable of going somewhere with a good line and a QB that the D has to respect and being productive again. I think rotoworld or another service made the comparison to Corey Dillon after he left Cincy.Anybody else feeling me?
I am reposting because I can't fathom that this spurred on no discussion. HELLO?!
 
David Yudkin said:
Again, rehashing from other threads, I believe the Pats want to win now and would much rather have a bonafide starter than a Top 10 draft pick.
I don't really understand this. When I hear "win now," I take that as sacrificing the future to load up immediately. The Pats have been turning talent over to compete on an annual basis since Belichick got here, and they have always kept one eye towards the future. I realize they have some big players coming up for new contracts at the end of next season, but I don't see why their approach would suddenly change.
 
kevthegrad said:
I will be honest, I have never seen such a march to bury somebody as we all seem to be having for LJ.It's easy to hate the guy because he's clearly a goof personally. But professionally speaking, I feel like his funeral (which began before this past season even began) has been way way too soon to come. Here's why:----While he had the crazy 400+ carry season, he sat behind Priest early and had 140 carries in his first two seasons combined.---He's only going into his 7th season.---While his numbers have been bad the last two seasons, he's been playing on a horrendous team. They have ranked 20th, 20th, and 22nd the last 3 years in passing.HORRENDOUS. They have had ZERO consistency out of QB for the last couple years, he's faced a lot of 8 man in the box D, and even the best RB is going to see their figures suffer when they ARE the only option on offense.Nobody, and I mean, nobody is talking about the above factors. I know he's a jerk....and I don't necessarily wish him well, but I think he's entirely capable of going somewhere with a good line and a QB that the D has to respect and being productive again. I think rotoworld or another service made the comparison to Corey Dillon after he left Cincy.Anybody else feeling me?
I am reposting because I can't fathom that this spurred on no discussion. HELLO?!
I'm with you on this, but there are just too many warning signs to be confident he'll either A) not be mired in RBBC, or B) play a full season w/o injury.I own him and I'm holding, mainly due to the fact I won't be able to get anything for him in trade. He's potentially a great buy-low if you believe the points above.
 
kevthegrad said:
I will be honest, I have never seen such a march to bury somebody as we all seem to be having for LJ.It's easy to hate the guy because he's clearly a goof personally. But professionally speaking, I feel like his funeral (which began before this past season even began) has been way way too soon to come. Here's why:----While he had the crazy 400+ carry season, he sat behind Priest early and had 140 carries in his first two seasons combined.---He's only going into his 7th season.---While his numbers have been bad the last two seasons, he's been playing on a horrendous team. They have ranked 20th, 20th, and 22nd the last 3 years in passing.HORRENDOUS. They have had ZERO consistency out of QB for the last couple years, he's faced a lot of 8 man in the box D, and even the best RB is going to see their figures suffer when they ARE the only option on offense.Nobody, and I mean, nobody is talking about the above factors. I know he's a jerk....and I don't necessarily wish him well, but I think he's entirely capable of going somewhere with a good line and a QB that the D has to respect and being productive again. I think rotoworld or another service made the comparison to Corey Dillon after he left Cincy.Anybody else feeling me?
I am reposting because I can't fathom that this spurred on no discussion. HELLO?!
I'm with you. It's almost a mirror situation of Corey Dillon's exit from Cincy, though I believe LJ has less mileage. I could see him going somewhere else, busting out a 1600 yd season, tapering off a bit in Year 2, then hitting the wall Year 3. But there's at least two years of very good production in LJ on a team with a good line.
 
kevthegrad said:
I will be honest, I have never seen such a march to bury somebody as we all seem to be having for LJ.It's easy to hate the guy because he's clearly a goof personally. But professionally speaking, I feel like his funeral (which began before this past season even began) has been way way too soon to come. Here's why:----While he had the crazy 400+ carry season, he sat behind Priest early and had 140 carries in his first two seasons combined.---He's only going into his 7th season.---While his numbers have been bad the last two seasons, he's been playing on a horrendous team. They have ranked 20th, 20th, and 22nd the last 3 years in passing.HORRENDOUS. They have had ZERO consistency out of QB for the last couple years, he's faced a lot of 8 man in the box D, and even the best RB is going to see their figures suffer when they ARE the only option on offense.Nobody, and I mean, nobody is talking about the above factors. I know he's a jerk....and I don't necessarily wish him well, but I think he's entirely capable of going somewhere with a good line and a QB that the D has to respect and being productive again. I think rotoworld or another service made the comparison to Corey Dillon after he left Cincy.Anybody else feeling me?
I am reposting because I can't fathom that this spurred on no discussion. HELLO?!
I'm with you. It's almost a mirror situation of Corey Dillon's exit from Cincy, though I believe LJ has less mileage. I could see him going somewhere else, busting out a 1600 yd season, tapering off a bit in Year 2, then hitting the wall Year 3. But there's at least two years of very good production in LJ on a team with a good line.
One note of alarm with Johnson is his continuing off field troubles the last few years. Suspensions, injuries and attitude are a bad trifecta for an RB about to be 30 - especially if you're possibly going to acquire him.
 
greggorymac said:
Off the top of my head, these seem like fits:PatriotsBrownsTexansSeahawksCardinalsBucs
What about the Broncos?
I was thinking that they'd have to trade him and KC isn't going to trade him to a division rival.
Yep, not a chance they trade it to a division rival and face him twice a season. Unless the offer was something ridiculous, and Denver isn't going to do that...
 
I'll trade Portis for him and a 2nd. Financially it would likely work.

At least LJ wants to be on the field. Portis needs a breather everytime he runs 3 yards.

 
I'd pretty stoked if he came to philly. He's a big bruising back (which we need), he can catch the ball out of the backfield (which is a pre-requisite for the birds), hes a Penn State alum (who cares really, but he would prolly feel a lot more love here than in KC) and him in tandem with Westbrook and Buck would be the three headed monster on roids..

 
Why would NE want/need LJ?

Werent they like 5th in the league in rushing last season? If any player is involved in a deal for Cassel, I highly doubt it will be someone who lines up on the offensive side of the ball.

I think a deal with Minny involving picks and someone like Chad Greenway would be much more likely.

 

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