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Which Bottom Tier QBs have the most upside? (1 Viewer)

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mrader59

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See anyone that can break the top 12?

Shaun Hill

Jason Campbell

Joe Flacco

Chad Pennington

Marc Bulger

JaMarcus Russell

Jake Delhomme

Trent Edwards

Brady Quinn

Kerry Collins

Mark Sanchez

Matthew Stafford

Byron Leftwich

Daunte Culpepper

 
If I had to pick anyone from this list, it'd be Edwards or Hill (not that I think either will be top 12). Flacco and Sanchez could come on stong down the stretch, but prob not enough to break the top 12.

 
Shaun Hill

Jason Campbell

Joe Flacco

Chad Pennington

Marc Bulger

JaMarcus Russell

Jake Delhomme

Trent Edwards

Brady Quinn

Kerry Collins

Mark Sanchez

Matthew Stafford

Byron Leftwich

Daunte Culpepper

Those are the only 2 I would be happy with as a QB2

 
Shaun Hill - Game manager, not a QB- questionable at best WR corps- very little upside

Jason Campbell- Game manager on a run first, ball control team- very little upside

Joe Flacco - see above but with more talent as a passer but offset by less weapons at WR

Chad Pennington- another game manager with possible the weakest arm in the league- very little upside

Marc Bulger- has the history, the right offense/defense to put up big numbers, but WR corps is awful and is showing signs of the wheels coming off altogether - moderate upside

JaMarcus Russell- on a team that may be forced to throw- mega talent- average wrs- has shown some signs of improvement this preseason - good upside

Jake Delhomme- see Campbell and Hill - but with a much better wr core including one of the top 5 WRs in the game- question is can he still get the ball downfield- moderate upside

Trent Edwards- one of the least talented qb's on the list but is surrounded with talent on his side of the ball- it would suprise me at all to see BUF in the top 10 in scoring this year- good upside

Brady Quinn- If derek anderson can do it, i don't see why quinn couldn't- another year in the league and the system- good upside

Kerry Collins - you know what you're going to get from KC - very little upside

Mark Sanchez - pretty much an unknown quantity at this point-could be below average, could take the league by storm- there's no question he's a talent- good upside

Matthew Stafford - see Sanchez- but on a team with a top 3 WR and almost guaranteed to be forced to throw more- great upside

Byron Leftwich - there's just so many variables here - questionable talent - questionable job security- how good is the defense going to be this year - who's he going to throw the ball to - moderate upside in the perfect storm

Daunte Culpepper - if one believes he can still play in the league and can hold off stafford, he has great upside

 
Flacco.

He throws a beautiful football and is mobile. His receivers are garbage but this kid can play. His star will be on the rise starting this year.

 
What about Leinert? With those weapons, he could be gold and/or if Warner goes down or just plain sucks.

 
I don't think S. Hill is an immense talent by any means but last year he is what he did in 9 games as the starter.....

2547 yards (227 yards a game), 63% completion rate, 13 Td's to 8 ints, and he also had 2 rushing TD's and 87.5 QB rating

In a couple of my leagues his ppg was 8th. Now I know Martz is gone, but he is still only 29 and learning the game. With Gore, Morgan, Hill, Bruce, Battle there is some descent enough weapons for him to be a sneaky play with the proper match ups.

I think he is worth a flier for sure.

 
Ranked by upside (risk not accounted for..i.e. no consideration for the fact that either Culpepper or Stafford won't start)

1. Culpepper - He has Megatron at WR. The Lions have also improved at #2 WR, #3 WR, and TE this offseason.

2. Edwards - Depending on how well TO plays (his skills have been declining).

3. Stafford - See Culpepper. Ranked slightly lower then him because he is a ROOKIE.

4. Quinn - showed a little promise last year before getting hurt.

5. Campbell - Like someone else said, first time playing in the same offensive system two consecutive years

 
Shaun Hill was a top-10 QB in the games that he started last year. He can certainly perform near that level again this year (although the 49ers have a tougher schedule)

Trent Edwards could crack the top-12 if both T.O. and Evans play to their full potential.

We know Pennington has the ability to be a top-12 QB. If Ginn and Camarillo progress to the next level then Pennington will be up there too.

I wouldn't touch Sanchez, Stafford, or Culpepper. Rookie QBs who crack the top-12 are rarer than hen's teeth. And Detroit is terrible.

 
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1. Campbell. Others have already mention his good stuff- hes go the best shot at being a solid QB this year, his upside is likely the 10-12 QB range.

2. Culpepper. If you have a low end #1 with no real injury concerns hes your guy. In the 16 games hes played since blowing out his knee he has rushed for 5 TDs- hes a real goal line threat and could put up 4-5 rushing TDs along with 20 in the air. In 4 pt passing TD leagues his rushing TDs could put him top 8-10 range.

 
Mr. Retukes said:
Shaun Hill was a top-10 QB in the games that he started last year. He can certainly perform near that level again this year (although the 49ers have a tougher schedule)Trent Edwards could crack the top-12 if both T.O. and Evans play to their full potential.We know Pennington has the ability to be a top-12 QB. If Ginn and Camarillo progress to the next level then Pennington will be up there too.I wouldn't touch Sanchez, Stafford, or Culpepper. Rookie QBs who crack the top-12 are rarer than hen's teeth. And Detroit is terrible.
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IMO I think Joe Flacco has the best shot out of everyone on the list.I need to state that i think Trent Edwards is horrendous and hasn't been the same since Adrian Wilson KTFO'd him. My brother is a die hard bills fan and i've had the displeasure of watching him alot last season. Not to mention that his line is one of the worst in the league.
 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
I don't think S. Hill is an immense talent by any means but last year he is what he did in 9 games as the starter.....2547 yards (227 yards a game), 63% completion rate, 13 Td's to 8 ints, and he also had 2 rushing TD's and 87.5 QB ratingIn a couple of my leagues his ppg was 8th. Now I know Martz is gone, but he is still only 29 and learning the game. With Gore, Morgan, Hill, Bruce, Battle there is some descent enough weapons for him to be a sneaky play with the proper match ups. I think he is worth a flier for sure.
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I took Hill very late for all these reasons, when most of the others on this list were also still on the board. When he's played, he's produced. Losing Martz might hurt but he'll be in good shape with Singletary running a tight ship and Gore behind him to keep defenses honest.Also like Flacco and agree that the Ravens might loosen the reins a bit this year.
 
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Flacco has been impressive in the preseason and I don't think he will have a sophomore slump. However, Baltimore doesn't have as much talent (Mason and Heap are done, Clayton is injured) and they just don't pass the ball very often (30th in pass attempts last year....no reason to think they'll increase much this year).

Bulger, Russell, Quinn, Stafford, Leftwich, and Culpepper are all on trainwreck teams. I wouldn't expect much from any of them.

 
mrader59 said:
See anyone that can break the top 12?Shaun HillJason CampbellJoe FlaccoChad PenningtonMarc BulgerJaMarcus RussellJake DelhommeTrent EdwardsBrady QuinnKerry CollinsMark SanchezMatthew StaffordByron LeftwichDaunte Culpepper
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I'm sold on Hill and Flacco. Campbell & Pennington have a good shot as well. Maybe Delhomme. The rest are just not good or are rookies, or are about to be replaced (Cpepp).
 
TommyGilmore said:
Flacco has been impressive in the preseason and I don't think he will have a sophomore slump. However, Baltimore doesn't have as much talent (Mason and Heap are done, Clayton is injured) and they just don't pass the ball very often (30th in pass attempts last year....no reason to think they'll increase much this year).Bulger, Russell, Quinn, Stafford, Leftwich, and Culpepper are all on trainwreck teams. I wouldn't expect much from any of them.
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After watching the past 2 STL games I picked Bulger up in a couple of QB heavy leagues. 2 and 0 sacks and the O-line looks like it is approaching average and Avery is almost back already. 2 decent young receivers, S jax as a pass catching back and McMicheal isn't a thrilling lineup but it could end up being a 3300+ yard season for Bulger. He definately knows how to throw the ball when given some time.
 
Bulger- if he can stay healthy and they will be playing from behind

Edwards - see above

Campbell- May finally get a chance to develop

Flacco- May have the most talent but thats a "play good and run the ball team". It will be rare when he throws more than 20-25 passes a game

 
TommyGilmore said:
Flacco has been impressive in the preseason and I don't think he will have a sophomore slump. However, Baltimore doesn't have as much talent (Mason and Heap are done, Clayton is injured) and they just don't pass the ball very often (30th in pass attempts last year....no reason to think they'll increase much this year).

Bulger, Russell, Quinn, Stafford, Leftwich, and Culpepper are all on trainwreck teams. I wouldn't expect much from any of them.
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I respectfully disagree with bolded statement above. So far this preseason, they have looked pretty sharp - Mason as good as last season, and Heap much better. Flacco has shown that he has what it takes to be a good NFL quarterback with minimal offensive weapons. No reason at all to think that they can't achieve marginal gains in the passing game as compared to last year. Ray Rice adds a nice dimension which gives opposing defenses that much more with which to contend. If Heap rebounds to his early career status, I can see Flacco be 12-16 range.
 
Flacco even though the weapons are not what they seem to be. Maybe Delhomme (50-50) IF he can stay healthy. Campbell -- not so sure, more like 40-60 IMO... No real reason other than a hunch.

 
Most upside:

Culpepper

Most likely to actually reach his upside:

Flacco or Campbell

 
pghrob said:
TommyGilmore said:
Flacco has been impressive in the preseason and I don't think he will have a sophomore slump. However, Baltimore doesn't have as much talent (Mason and Heap are done, Clayton is injured) and they just don't pass the ball very often (30th in pass attempts last year....no reason to think they'll increase much this year).

Bulger, Russell, Quinn, Stafford, Leftwich, and Culpepper are all on trainwreck teams. I wouldn't expect much from any of them.
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I respectfully disagree with bolded statement above. So far this preseason, they have looked pretty sharp - Mason as good as last season, and Heap much better. Flacco has shown that he has what it takes to be a good NFL quarterback with minimal offensive weapons. No reason at all to think that they can't achieve marginal gains in the passing game as compared to last year. Ray Rice adds a nice dimension which gives opposing defenses that much more with which to contend. If Heap rebounds to his early career status, I can see Flacco be 12-16 range.
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Mason is 35 1/2 in a league where WRs drop significantly after age 33. He just came out of retirement. All signs point to his ceiling being closer to his 2006 stats (750 yards, 2 TDs) than his 2008 stats (1030 yards, 5 TDs). Heap's stats saw a major dropoff last season. Tight Ends are rarely productive as receiving threats after 8+ seasons.I think that the addition of L.J. Smith will counteract Heap's continued decline, and the emergence of Mark Clayton will counteract Mason's continued decline. So I would expect a slight bump from Flacco (maybe from QB19 to QB15) but I just can't see any reason to put him in the top 12.

Baltimore is 3rd in pass attempts in the 2009 preseason. But I wouldn't read too much into that -- they were 9th in the 2008 preseason but ended up 30th in the regular season.

 
Diamond One said:
Flacco even though the weapons are not what they seem to be. Maybe Delhomme (50-50) IF he can stay healthy. Campbell -- not so sure, more like 40-60 IMO... No real reason other than a hunch.
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Are we talking about the same Delhomme that played all 16 games last season?
 
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