Which Player Do You Wish Everyone Would Shut Up About? (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As we approach our home-league drafts, surely we all have our favorite late-round picks, sleepers, under-valued picks.

Naturally, this leads to vexing headlines… Usually they hit one or two days before your draft and highlight exactly the player that you felt was flying under the radar. Value rooned, Taco gonna reach for them now. Stoopid Taco.

Who is it you wish all of the fantasy writers & twitters & youfacers would just shush about?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.


JJSS being the number one receiver for the Chiefs is one I’m certain is going to happen right before my draft. Right now his value seems criminally low. he is my favorite late roundwide receiver, and I’m virtually certain that value is going to get crushed almost immediately before my draft.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Deshaun by a country mile

If we mean for FF purposes, any article touting TEs who are not going to see 90 targets but will somehow magically finish Top 5.

 

[zamboni]

Dameon Pierce.

I think most would believe that he would take over that backfield amid modest competition, but the buzz has gotten way too loud and he's going to be on everyone's radar.

 

[zeeshan2]

Allen Robinson

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.


JJSS being the number one receiver for the Chiefs is one I’m certain is going to happen right before my draft. Right now his value seems criminally low. he is my favorite late roundwide receiver, and I’m virtually certain that value is going to get crushed almost immediately before my draft.

Not a fan of JJSS the receiver. When Chase Claypool is making most of the highlights you've got problems. Sammy Watkins 2.0.

 

[zamboni]

Zeke is probably another.

Lots of varying thoughts about whether he's truly hit the cliff or if the PCL injury was what really affected him last year, but we're not going to know until the season starts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.


JJSS being the number one receiver for the Chiefs is one I’m certain is going to happen right before my draft. Right now his value seems criminally low. he is my favorite late roundwide receiver, and I’m virtually certain that value is going to get crushed almost immediately before my draft.

Not a fan of JJSS the receiver. When Chase Claypool is making most of the highlights you've got problems. Sammy Watkins 2.0.

This one is purely for PPR, and for where he is being drafted at his current ADP. As a third or fourth receiver, I think he will fairly easily outperform his ABP.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Zeke is probably another.

Lots of varying thoughts about whether he's truly hit the cliff or if the PCL injury was what really affected him last year, but we're not going to know until the season starts.

If I start with two wide receivers and tight end, and Zeke is sitting there in the early fourth, I am dropping on it.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

An era of Patriots lore ended Thursday when James White announced his retirement. White had been hampered (and already placed on PUP) by a debilitating hip injury, so the team is at least prepared for life without him. They’ve added pass-game specialist Ty Montgomery to camp; he and holdover J.J. Taylor continue to split reserve snaps on passing downs. But Boston media seems convinced it’ll be Rhamondre Stevenson reaping most of White’s vacated pass-catching role. Boston Herald’s Andrew Callahan points out that Stevenson “flashed soft hands” and “became the rare [Patriots] rookie running back to contribute right away” in 2021, and offseason reports on Stevenson were nothing short of glowing. It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties. But Stevenson’s value would shoot into the stratosphere if presumed starter Damien Harris were to be dealt away, as was pondered last week by SI.com’s Albert Breer. Harris is coming off a 15-touchdown season but feels expendable as an injury-prone prodder in such a deep, versatile backfield. Neither saw action in the preseason opener, so it doesn’t appear Harris is actively sitting on the trade block. But the Patriots are never passive, and it would surprise no one to see him follow the Sony Michel route out of town in a contract-year trade. The team used the opener to get a better look at its rookies, Pierre Strong Jr and Kevin Harris, and the results weren’t encouraging. Neither has dazzled in camp, and the pair combined to turn their 14 touches into just 32 yards against the Giants.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

An era of Patriots lore ended Thursday when James White announced his retirement. White had been hampered (and already placed on PUP) by a debilitating hip injury, so the team is at least prepared for life without him. They’ve added pass-game specialist Ty Montgomery to camp; he and holdover J.J. Taylor continue to split reserve snaps on passing downs. But Boston media seems convinced it’ll be Rhamondre Stevenson reaping most of White’s vacated pass-catching role. Boston Herald’s Andrew Callahan points out that Stevenson “flashed soft hands” and “became the rare [Patriots] rookie running back to contribute right away” in 2021, and offseason reports on Stevenson were nothing short of glowing. It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties. But Stevenson’s value would shoot into the stratosphere if presumed starter Damien Harris were to be dealt away, as was pondered last week by SI.com’s Albert Breer. Harris is coming off a 15-touchdown season but feels expendable as an injury-prone prodder in such a deep, versatile backfield. Neither saw action in the preseason opener, so it doesn’t appear Harris is actively sitting on the trade block. But the Patriots are never passive, and it would surprise no one to see him follow the Sony Michel route out of town in a contract-year trade. The team used the opener to get a better look at its rookies, Pierre Strong Jr and Kevin Harris, and the results weren’t encouraging. Neither has dazzled in camp, and the pair combined to turn their 14 touches into just 32 yards against the Giants.

Shhh!

 

[Chaka]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

Fwiw I think people need to pump the brakes on the "James White role" narrative.

Kevin Faulk had a couple 60+ catch seasons before McDaniels arrived in New England 100 years ago. And he hit 53 catches once when McDaniels was in Denver. But without McDaniels the leading receivers out of the Pats backfield has been around a 40 catch guy.

Those crazy 80+ catch seasons came under McDaniels. And I don't see Patricia/Judge dialing into that part of the playbook with the same confidence. (I feel similar about Kamara without Payton calling the shots, but that's more of an unknown in season one post Payton).

I still like Rhamondre a lot but mostly because I think he's going to become the lead back (55-60% of the action) and be the goal line guy with his 230lb frame.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

Fwiw I think people need to pump the brakes on the "James White role" narrative.

Kevin Faulk had a couple 60+ catch seasons before McDaniels arrived in New England 100 years ago. And he hit 53 catches once when McDaniels was in Denver. But without McDaniels the leading receivers out of the Pats backfield has been around a 40 catch guy.

Those crazy 80+ catch seasons came under McDaniels. And I don't see Patricia/Judge dialing into that part of the playbook with the same confidence. (I feel similar about Kamara without Payton calling the shots, but that's more of an unknown in season one post Payton).

I still like Rhamondre a lot but mostly because I think he's going to become the lead back (55-60% of the action) and be the goal line guy with his 230lb frame.

Just to be clear, I completely agree with you. I’m saying what Rotoworld/SportsLine just said about him. I think he is the more talented running back in that backfield, and I don’t think Harris has a future in New England. At his current ADP, Rhamondre Stevenson feels like a steel… But if people keep writing about him as “the next James White“ his ADP is going to rise in a hurry.

 

[Chaka]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties.

Again, I'm a fan this year but dude ran a 4.64 at the combine. Not very impressive.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties.

Again, I'm a fan this year but dude ran a 4.64 at the combine. Not very impressive.

At his ADP, I’m not paying for his speed, I’m paying for his likely opportunity. if he gets 40 receptions and GL carries he’s going to be a steal.

“If” is certainly doing some heavy lifting in that statement though.

I’ve been burned targeting New England patriots running backs more than once though, so I will be cautiously optimistic and I certainly won’t reach for him.

 

[Chaka]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties.

Again, I'm a fan this year but dude ran a 4.64 at the combine. Not very impressive.

At his ADP, I’m not paying for his speed, I’m paying for his likely opportunity. if he gets 40 receptions and GL carries he’s going to be a steal.

“If” is certainly doing some heavy lifting in that statement though.

I’ve been burned targeting New England patriots running backs more than once though, so I will be cautiously optimistic and I certainly won’t reach for him.

Hopefully the NE RB burns over the years will depress his value a bit because he is definitely the guy I'm targeting there.

Would love him as my RB3 but may even jump onboard as my RB2 depending on how my draft plays out.

I have a love/hate relationship with my Labor Day weekend draft. Love that league rosters are set and all injuries are known. Hate that guys I like may get "discovered" with all the extra prep time.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Gabriel Davis and Pierce

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Gabriel Davis

I’m afraid that train has sailed.

I did an NFC champions league draft a week and a half ago, and he went to pick 4.03.

Love the player, and he may well justify that draft capital, but it will be very difficult to realize a profit there.

 

[zamboni]

Re: Stevenson. Watch as Ty Montgomery takes over the passing down role.

 

[-jb-]

how do you sail a train?

 

[Chaka]

One great thing about having a late draft in the age of having all the information in all the universe available immediately at your fingertips is that there really are no hidden gems.

That creates a ton of noise which makes it more difficult to identify signal.

So while I may love Rhamondre, some other people are going nuts for Pacheco, or Mecole, or Doubs (another one I wish people would shut up about) so, while I may miss out on "my guys" there is a good chance that a proven vet falls a lot farther than any reasonable expectations.

 

[Chaka]

how do you sail a train?

Put the train in the water, raise the sail and go.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Re: Stevenson. Watch as Ty Montgomery takes over the passing down role.

That’s the fear.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

how do you sail a train?

Put the train in the water, raise the sail and go.

I mean, this isn’t rocket surgery.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

One great thing about having a late draft in the age of having all the information in all the universe available immediately at your fingertips is that there really are no hidden gems.

That creates a ton of noise which makes it more difficult to identify signal.

So while I may love Rhamondre, some other people are going nuts for Pacheco, or Mecole, or Doubs (another one I wish people would shut up about) so, while I may miss out on "my guys" there is a good chance that a proven vet falls a lot farther than any reasonable expectations.

That’s an excellent point. By the same token, someone in my league might read a newsblurb and reach for Ramadare Stevenson by three or four rounds, potentially sparing me from a bust.

 

[TapRackBang]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties.

Again, I'm a fan this year but dude ran a 4.64 at the combine. Not very impressive.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.71

Just sayin.

 

[travdogg]

Trey Lance

 

[Chaka]

Rhamondre Stevenson is one for me. SportsLine/Rotoworld Just reported he has the “James White” role. Which is something I’ve predicted for the last month and a half.

From the August Update:

Running Backs​

It’s fair to salivate over the idea of the impressive size/speed prospect taking over three-down duties.

Again, I'm a fan this year but dude ran a 4.64 at the combine. Not very impressive.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.71

Just sayin.

I think it is fair to say that Rice did not have an impressive size/speed combo.

I am very high on Rhamondre, not Jerry Rice high, but high, I was merely pointing out how odd that comment was. It felt like a lazy assessment and, fairly or unfairly, makes me question the rest of that article.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I am very high on Rhamondre, not Jerry Rice high, but high, I was merely pointing out how odd that comment was. It felt like a lazy assessment and, fairly or unfairly, makes me question the rest of that article.

I disagree and think it's not lazy at all. 40 times at the combine numbers aren't everything. 3 cone is super important but often not talked about as much. And we've been impressed with what we've seen and what people watching him live have seen on the size / speed combo. That's a bummer to hear it makes you question the rest of article and I do think that's unfair but I fully understand that's life on the internet. We'll keep doing our best to bring value.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am very high on Rhamondre, not Jerry Rice high, but high, I was merely pointing out how odd that comment was. It felt like a lazy assessment and, fairly or unfairly, makes me question the rest of that article.

Not lazy at all. 40 times at the combine numbers aren't everything. 3 cone is super important but often not talked about as much. And we've been impressed with what we've seen and what people watching him live have seen on the size / speed combo. That's a bummer to hear it makes you question the rest of article and I do think that's unfair but I fully understand that's life on the internet. We'll keep doing our best to bring value.

As long as his ADP stays right around where it is, I think Rhamondre Stevenson is going to be a tremendous value.

I’m not sure it matters how fast he is, I just think it matters that he appears to be a much better running back than Damien Harris, who I have never been impressed by.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As long as his ADP stays right around where it is, I think Rhamondre Stevenson is going to be a tremendous value.

I’m not sure it matters how fast he is, I just think it matters that he appears to be a much better running back than Damien Harris, who I have never been impressed by.

Agreed. It all just depends on the other people in your league and how tuned in they are.

 

[crushedspirit]

Dameon Pierce.

I think most would believe that he would take over that backfield amid modest competition, but the buzz has gotten way too loud and he's going to be on everyone's radar.

Loved that pick of yours since training camp started, but the cat might be out of the bag.

Another RB I've been taking everywhere I can is Gainwell, and I keep hoping the noise stays fairly quiet.

 

[Ilov80s]

Pierce and Stevenson are guys I really want to draft now but I am worried in 2 weeks when it's the heart of redraft season they will be going 2 rounds earlier.

As for WRs, I wish we could freeze the Juju, Skyy Moore and Michael Thomas ADPs. Lots of upside at very reasonable prices for the moment.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As long as his ADP stays right around where it is, I think Rhamondre Stevenson is going to be a tremendous value.

I’m not sure it matters how fast he is, I just think it matters that he appears to be a much better running back than Damien Harris, who I have never been impressed by.

Agreed. It all just depends on the other people in your league and how tuned in they are.

The tricky thing is there is there as soon as Damien Harris is drafted, do you know Rhamondre Stevenson is going to be on everybody’s radar and will likely go within five picks of that. I’ve looked at a number of real drafts, and that seems to frequently be the case..

The gutsy play is to take Stevenson before Harris, but if that doesn’t work out, your league mates will never let you live it down.

 

[Deamon]

Micole Hardman.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pierce and Stevenson are guys I really want to draft now but I am worried in 2 weeks when it's the heart of redraft season they will be going 2 rounds earlier.

As for WRs, I wish we could freeze the Juju, Skyy Moore and Michael Thomas ADPs. Lots of upside at very reasonable prices for the moment.

Completely agree. Also, I think the Steelers have badly misused JJSS over the last season or two. He is capable of so much more, and I think Mahomes will very quickly realize he is one of his best targets.

 

[JohnnyU]

how do you sail a train?

Put the train in the water, raise the sail and go.

I was watching the late news last night and the lead story was "Man who attempted to walk around the world DROWNED today".

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

@Joe Bryant - The discussion here reminds me, are we “planting flags” this year? Always an entertaining topic.

 

[Ilov80s]

Pierce and Stevenson are guys I really want to draft now but I am worried in 2 weeks when it's the heart of redraft season they will be going 2 rounds earlier.

As for WRs, I wish we could freeze the Juju, Skyy Moore and Michael Thomas ADPs. Lots of upside at very reasonable prices for the moment.

Completely agree. Also, I think the Steelers have badly misused JJSS over the last season or two. He is capable of so much more, and I think Mahomes will very quickly realize he is one of his best targets.

Given current adp, I love the idea of taking Juju and Skyy Moore. They could cancel each other out but I think there’s also a good enough chance that one of them becomes a weekly must start WR.

 

[zamboni]

Dameon Pierce.

I think most would believe that he would take over that backfield amid modest competition, but the buzz has gotten way too loud and he's going to be on everyone's radar.

Loved that pick of yours since training camp started, but the cat might be out of the bag.

Another RB I've been taking everywhere I can is Gainwell, and I keep hoping the noise stays fairly quiet.

I read that Sanders is nursing a hamstring, so Gainwell's value not likely to stay quiet now even if the hammy isn't serious.

 

[Deamon]

In all seriousness there's quite a few.

Kamara
Barkley
Higgins
Stevenson
Sutton
Carr
Peirce
Juju
Skyy
Wilson


Lots of them and it's why I like to draft early and these 2 weeks before September are always so painful. Feel like I do more research then all my leaguemates, and they can just catch up for free without the work now

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Dameon Pierce.

I think most would believe that he would take over that backfield amid modest competition, but the buzz has gotten way too loud and he's going to be on everyone's radar.

Loved that pick of yours since training camp started, but the cat might be out of the bag.

Another RB I've been taking everywhere I can is Gainwell, and I keep hoping the noise stays fairly quiet.

I read that Sanders is nursing a hamstring, so Gainwell's value not likely to stay quiet now even if the hammy isn't serious.

At the same time, it might depress Sanders value low enough that even I might take a flyer on him in the 10th or 11th round.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

. Feel like I do more research then all my leaguemates, and they can just catch up for free without the work now

I get that feeling every single year in the last two weeks leading up to my draft. It was the inspiration for this topic and it is ultimately frustrating.

 

[titusbramble]

+1 to Gabriel Davis, current ADP is way too high based on a majority of leagues having at least one owner who believes the hype, as such I think if I ran 100 mocks I'd end up with zero shares

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

+1 to Gabriel Davis, current ADP is way too high based on a majority of leagues having at least one owner who believes the hype, as such I think if I ran 100 mocks I'd end up with zero shares

Same. I have him in both of my dynasty league, both at very reasonable prices… But I think I’m out in Redraft unless he falls to the fifth or sixth, which I kind of doubt he will.

 

[RC94]

Pacheco, because I'm also a Rutgers alum and he's the only skill position player from RU currently in the NFL, aside from Kroft who's already shown he won't be fantasy relevant. It's a long shot for Pacheco too, but at least there's still a chance.

 

[titusbramble]

+1 to Gabriel Davis, current ADP is way too high based on a majority of leagues having at least one owner who believes the hype, as such I think if I ran 100 mocks I'd end up with zero shares

Same. I have him in both of my dynasty league, both at very reasonable prices… But I think I’m out in Redraft unless he falls to the fifth or sixth, which I kind of doubt he will.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the upside, but the valuation is on the assumption that he hits all of it. If I'm proven wrong then so be it, but there's zero way I'm making it my problem and in auction in selecting him very early while believers have lots of cash to spend

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

+1 to Gabriel Davis, current ADP is way too high based on a majority of leagues having at least one owner who believes the hype, as such I think if I ran 100 mocks I'd end up with zero shares

Same. I have him in both of my dynasty league, both at very reasonable prices… But I think I’m out in Redraft unless he falls to the fifth or sixth, which I kind of doubt he will.

Don't get me wrong, I can see the upside, but the valuation is on the assumption that he hits all of it. If I'm proven wrong then so be it, but there's zero way I'm making it my problem and in auction in selecting him very early while believers have lots of cash to spend

That’s exactly how I feel. As I said above, there’s not a lot of meat on the bone for profit if you select him at his current ADP. If he manages last until the fifth or six round, you could potentially take him as a WR3 and realize a ton of potential… But if you’re taking him in the early fourth, he hast to absolutely smash his ceiling projection in order to be worth that price.

 

[Stoneworker]

. Feel like I do more research then all my leaguemates, and they can just catch up for free without the work now

I get that feeling every single year in the last two weeks leading up to my draft. It was the inspiration for this topic and it is ultimately frustrating.

I would somewhat disagree. For every late pre-season riser due to getting overhyped, there's a guy he displaces in ADP that falls too far for no reason. Those are the ones I'm targeting.

 

[RC94]

Pacheco, because I'm also a Rutgers alum and he's the only skill position player from RU currently in the NFL, aside from Kroft who's already shown he won't be fantasy relevant. It's a long shot for Pacheco too, but at least there's still a chance.

Actually, I forgot about Edwards. I have him in a couple of leagues.