Which QB is the best ever... (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Personally, DeBerg is the best I ever saw. A total magician with the ball.

He'd stick the ball in the RB's gut, and you'd swear it was a handoff. Next thing you know, he's throwing it.

 

[travdogg]

Boomer was the first one who came to mind for me.

Also, while he's far from an all-time great(not that Deberg is), Jake Plummer was always a great play faker. Probably the best of this decade.

 

[ratbast]

Wasn't Favre awesome at this?

 

[Raider Nation]

Wasn't Favre awesome at this?

In his early years. He got lazy as he aged.

 

[Kowskull]

Tom Brady I also believe he has the best stats in the category too.

 

[Raider Nation]

Tom Brady I also believe he has the best stats in the category too.

Stats off of play action isn't what I'm looking for, with all due respect. I want to know who "sold it" the best. Slight of hand...

 

[Kowskull]

Well if selling the play action is based on it working i say stats prove the sell the best If it just looks good but doesnt work whats the use?

 

[dutch]

Well if selling the play action is based on it working i say stats prove the sell the best If it just looks good but doesnt work whats the use?

Remember now, this is a Raider Nation thread and not a Chase thread. The question isn't one of stats but one of eye of the beholder beauty. My pick is Boomer.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Manning is pretty damn good at it, and I've been watching football for over 42 years.

 

[Raider Nation]

Well if selling the play action is based on it working i say stats prove the sell the best If it just looks good but doesnt work whats the use?

Remember now, this is a Raider Nation thread and not a Chase thread. The question isn't one of stats but one of eye of the beholder beauty. My pick is Boomer.

I don't care if the guy threw 80 incompletions in a row off of play action. It's simply a question of aesthetics on the fake itself.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Indy runs play-action all the time, even though they don't run often or successfully. I'd have to say Peyton's play-fake is very effective. I wasn't nearly the student of the game that I am now back when I was watching DeBerg or Boomer. Never saw anything earlier than '84.

 

[Kowskull]

http://ballhype.com/video/tom_brady_statue...ty_play_action/ Now thats pretty

 

[Beaumont]

DeBerg made it an art form. He was old as dirt when he played for KC and he just executed it beautifully.

 

[Raider Nation]

DeBerg made it an art form. He was old as dirt when he played for KC and he just executed it beautifully.

Lotta young people have voted so far.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I remember DeBerg, but Boomer was the best.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I remember DeBerg, but Boomer was the best.

 

[BespokeJort]

Obviously he hasn't produced with it in the NFL yet but Dennis Dixon is the trickiest play-action faker, college or NFL, I have ever had the privilege of watching play...and I've watched a lot of football (granted all over the last 12-ish years)

never seen a guy fake out the whole crowd/TV cameraman so consistently

 

[mightyeskimo]

Chad Pennington! And this is based solely on one play years ago. It was, and remains to this day, the greatest play fake I've ever seen. After performing the fake he kept the ball in his left hand behind his left thigh holding it by the tip of the ball with 3 fingers. It was the most complete relaxed pose I've ever seen with his right shoulder facing downfield. Then he pulls the ball around, alters his stance and throws this 80 yard bomb to McCareins. It was incredible.

 

[twitch]

Pennington's a master. As is Manning. And Esiason was tremendous. Cant recall DeBerg's brilliance with it. Though Id trust the opinion. For my money, I think Manning is incredible at selling it, and often times its on the wide stretch, so its even that much harder to sell. And god knows he's gotten as much mileage out of the playfake as anyone in NFL history.

 

[SR388]

Well if selling the play action is based on it working i say stats prove the sell the best If it just looks good but doesnt work whats the use?

Because that isn't the poll question. Pretty sure it will also depend heavily on the RB's talent level you're faking too if you wanna go by stats.Jake Plummer comes to mind. Deberg was great too.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Chad Pennington! And this is based solely on one play years ago. It was, and remains to this day, the greatest play fake I've ever seen. After performing the fake he kept the ball in his left hand behind his left thigh holding it by the tip of the ball with 3 fingers. It was the most complete relaxed pose I've ever seen with his right shoulder facing downfield. Then he pulls the ball around, alters his stance and throws this 80 yard bomb to McCareins. It was incredible.

Incredible indeed. Since McCareins longest reception with the Jets was 51 yards.

 

[Andy Herron]

Lotta young people have voted so far.

That's for sure.Both DeBerg and Boomer came to mind immediately before I even got the thread opened.After them, I'd have to think and ponder.DeBerg indeed made it an art form, and IIRC, worked with Esiason early in his career in executing it.Those two stand alone IMO, then others fall in somewhere behind them.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I don't think he is a good starting NFL QB, but Chad Pennington does play action very well. It is a shame he can't get the ball downfield to take as much advantage of it as he should.

 

[zed2283]

I think it's McNabb. I love the way he sort of flips his wrist in the general direction of the RB without even looking at him. Especially when they've run 20 consecutive pass plays. Gets me every time.

That said, I voted for DeBerg.

 

[Wadsworth]

I can only assume that anyone not voting for Boomer or DeBerg didn't see them play.

 

[Jercules]

From the guys I've seen play:

Manning is the best in the NFL today.

Brady is great considering the Pats, especially during the Superbowl years, couldn't run the ball.

There's a recently retired CFL QB named Damon Allen, brother of Marcus Allen, who ran playaction so well that he'd always fool the cameraman (and that was with one of those big CFL balls, in a league where running the ball is like a trick play).

 

[Toads]

Baugh, Sammy.

 

[Prof. Chaos]

I can only assume that anyone not voting for Boomer or DeBerg didn't see them play.

I watched every game Boomer played in Cincy at the stadium or on tv. He was a magician with the football.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Boomer was who popped in my head as soon as I read the thread title. It was actually hard to watch the game because the camera man would constantly have the camera out of position.

 

[Two Deep]

Dan Marino

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Boomer was who popped in my head as soon as I read the thread title. It was actually hard to watch the game because the camera man would constantly have the camera out of position.

I had the same reaction - Boomer was amazing with play action.

 

[SR388]

This threads reminds me of something I always wonder when I watch modern QB's play. Why do they not try and be more sneaky with the ball? Not just on play action passes, but actual hand offs. A perfect example is the way I always see Brett Favre hand the ball off. He holds it out as far as humanly possibly when he hands it off. It's like he wants the defense to know the RB is getting it.

 

[jgb95]

brady!!!

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I watched every game Boomer played in Cincy at the stadium or on tv. He was a magician with the football.

 

[Avery]

Wasn't Favre awesome at this?

In his early years. He got lazy as he aged.

I always loved the way he did the fake turn around jump pass after handing it off.Edit to add: Voted for DeBerg.

I remember when Reeves hired him as the QB coach of the Giants. I was stoked that Dave Brown was going to have a sweet play action fake even if he couldn't throw the ball worth a damn.

 

[xausted]

I like DeBerg here just over Boomer.

Favre was good at it too (maybe top ten) when he had a decent run game. I actually like his play action run where he hands the ball off and fakes the pass. It's just damn funny when the linebacker does fall for it.

 

[Despyzer]

Boomer was who popped in my head as soon as I read the thread title.

 

[Da Guru]

DeBergs play fake looked too fake.

 

[mydixie]

When I saw the title DeBerg instantly came to mind. It was ridiculous how many times the camera was still on the RB when the ball was thrown. Favre was the opposite, he was good at selling the pass when he didn't even have the ball. Bernie Kosar was the worst at selling whatever he was going to do because he lined up different under center for pass vs run.

 

[The Jerk]

Like several others above, I thought of Boomer before even opening the thread. To me, it's not a contest, but mine is just one opinion among many.

 

[zed2283]

This threads reminds me of something I always wonder when I watch modern QB's play. Why do they not try and be more sneaky with the ball? Not just on play action passes, but actual hand offs. A perfect example is the way I always see Brett Favre hand the ball off. He holds it out as far as humanly possibly when he hands it off. It's like he wants the defense to know the RB is getting it.

I've seen a lot of QB's do this. I think they teach it as some part of the play fake. Manning does it on the stretch play too, I think.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Boomer was the first one who came to mind for me.

Me too. Even watching on TV you couldn't tell where the ball was sometimes.

 

[Kirby]

Dan Marino

I remember seeing Marino do this once... just stood there with the ball behind his butt for a few seconds. Awesome.

 

[Despyzer]

Dan Marino

I remember seeing Marino do this once... just stood there with the ball behind his butt for a few seconds. Awesome.

Marino was definitely crafty. He'd be my pick as "Best ever at selling the pretend spike."

 

[Liquid Tension]

Dan Marino

I remember seeing Marino do this once... just stood there with the ball behind his butt for a few seconds. Awesome.

Marino was definitely crafty. He'd be my pick as "Best ever at selling the pretend spike."

Marino's issue was that teams were always in the dime against him and they still could not run effectively because his RB's were not good and his OL could not run blockBasically teams didn't even prepare to do anything but stop the pass. It would have been something if Marino could have had one talented RB to work with to keep the defense honest. For comparison, look how well Elway did (late in his career) when he had TD.