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Which RB has more upside (1 Viewer)

Which RB would you rather have on your dynasty team?

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JohnnyU

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Seeing how Mathews is doing very well at the combine, and he runs through tackles like a knife through butter, and Mark INgram already has the big trophey on his mantle and will run in the 4.4 range, and has very few weaknesses, which one of these RBs do you think will be the better NFL player? Mathews is a liability in the passing game and sort of reminds me of Chris Wells, only more of a liability. Ingram is a liability in pass protection. I actually like Ingram's build better because it's easier for him to run small. Mathews has this ability for someone his size, but not as good as Ingram.

 
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I'm trying to trade for the bad teams rookie picks next year so I have a better chance at getting Ingram. He's the next stud RB in the NFL. If he was in this draft there wouldn't be much competition at all for the top RB in the NFL and in rookie drafts.

 
JohnnyU said:
Matthews is a liability in the passing game and sort of reminds me of Chris Wells, only more of a liability.
Why? Form DraftScout:
Receiving: Natural hands-catcher. Good body control to twist, make the reception and quickly head upfield. Appears to have the hand-eye coordination to track the ball over his shoulder for wheel routes. Rarely asked to run more complicated routes than simple swings and screens. Good agility, straight-line speed and suddenness to excel in this area.
 
Good discussion for our dev leagues. Mathews is the Rookie 1.1, Ingram the Devy 1.1, or in leagues like Presidential Suite, both guys are available in the same pool. I assume this topic was with your 1.1 in Pres II in mind. I prefer Ingram myself, even more so if you can wait another year on him.

 
JohnnyU said:
Matthews is a liability in the passing game and sort of reminds me of Chris Wells, only more of a liability.
Why? Form DraftScout:
Receiving: Natural hands-catcher. Good body control to twist, make the reception and quickly head upfield. Appears to have the hand-eye coordination to track the ball over his shoulder for wheel routes. Rarely asked to run more complicated routes than simple swings and screens. Good agility, straight-line speed and suddenness to excel in this area.
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Pass Blocking: Does not have as much experience as a pass blocker as you would like. However he is capable. Shows aggression and strength when stepping to defend the blitz. Willing to stick his hat in there. Does not hold a block well, basically a one pop blocker.

Pass Catching: Only 19 career receptions. Was often taken off the field on passing downs. Does not have a lot of experience running routes. Rare to see the ball thrown his way.
New era scoutingLooks like a lot of the same reports.

Ryan Mathews – Fresno State

Scout: David Syvertsen

Height/Weight: 5’11/220

40 Time:

Pro Potential: Clinton Portis – Washington Redskins

Position Traits

Acceleration/Burst/Quickness: Tremendous quickness and change of direction ability. Consistently balance allows him to get full force on his cuts. Can get to top speed as he hits the second level of the defense. Lacks the top notch speed in the open field but the short area burst makes him appear to be faster than he is.

Ball Protection: Holds the ball high and tight to his body. Strong grip, ball is rarely away from his body even when evading tacklers in space. Has 3 career fumbles despite 535 carries.

Elusiveness/Feet/Agility: Makes defenders miss in traffic. Makes himself small despite possessing a big frame. Very loose hips and light feet before the burst is turned on. Can run through a defender but prefers to make them miss with the short area quickness.

Pass Catching: Only 19 career receptions. Was often taken off the field on passing downs. Does not have a lot of experience running routes. Rare to see the ball thrown his way.

Pass Blocking: Does not have as much experience as a pass blocker as you would like. However he is capable. Shows aggression and strength when stepping to defend the blitz. Willing to stick his hat in there. Does not hold a block well, basically a one pop blocker.

Power: Easily runs his way through arm tackles. Consistently gains yards after contact. Runs with great pad level and gets each one of his 220 pounds behind the inside runs. Can lower his shoulder and push a pile of 4-5 defenders backward, tremendous leg drive.

Size/Length/Hand Size: Has the ideal body for a back that carries the ball 20+ times per game. Has balanced strength from head to toe, but enough flexibility to remain agile and quick throughout all levels of the defense. Legs are muscular and stout.

Speed: Lacks the top tier speed in the open field, but has the extra gear to run away from most defenders. One of those guys that will play faster than he times. If he has the initial angle advantage, he almost always beats the defender to the intersection.

Vision/Balance/Running Instincts: A natural runner with the ball in his hands. Anticipates running lanes before they open up. Top tier balance that spends very little time gathering himself after a broken tackle. Constantly moving forward with plenty of force.

Final Word: Mathews has an outside shot at being the first back taken in April’s draft. While he does not bring the value to the passing game that some others do, he is the top natural runner in this class. His ability to break tackles and maintain his balance is unmatched, and he is fast enough to break off big runs. He led the nation in rushing and if he was part of a big time collegiate program, Mathews would have be a legit contender for the Heisman Trophy. His best games came against Fresno State’s toughest competition, including a 234 yard – 3 TD performance against Boise State in which he averaged over 12 yards per carry. He is the kind of back that can be trusted right away to give a strong boost to the ground attack. He will need time to improve his pass blocking and receiving skills, but according to the Fresno State coaching staff, there isn’t a player in this draft that will enter the NFL with higher character and/or a stronger work ethic.
 
Good discussion for our dev leagues. Mathews is the Rookie 1.1, Ingram the Devy 1.1, or in leagues like Presidential Suite, both guys are available in the same pool. I assume this topic was with your 1.1 in Pres II in mind. I prefer Ingram myself, even more so if you can wait another year on him.
Why would you call Mathews the 1.1 in rookie drafts? I thought you had a woody for Spiller? Bryant? Of course we're both talking about PPR leagues here.
 
I like Ingram but to me he isn't even the most talented RB on his team right now. Granted, I think Trent Richardson has as much talent as anyone in the NCAA's, so that is kind of unfair. Assuming that Mathews doesn't get stuck in Oakland or some other similarly bad situation, he would be my guy. He looks like the best bet to me for NFL success. Maybe not HOF level statistics, but I think you know what you are getting with him and can feel pretty comfortable with that.

 
I'm obviously on the Mathews train....its going full steam right now.

What would Ingram run a 40 in? someone stated a 4.4.....i don't see him that fast when I watch him.

Anyone else have a thought?

 
Good discussion for our dev leagues. Mathews is the Rookie 1.1, Ingram the Devy 1.1, or in leagues like Presidential Suite, both guys are available in the same pool. I assume this topic was with your 1.1 in Pres II in mind. I prefer Ingram myself, even more so if you can wait another year on him.
:thumbup: So do u wanna trade back up to 1.01 so u can get Ingram? Otherwise, I js may hold him hostage...... :shrug: All kidding aside, FWIW, if there is a guy entering the league NOW vs. a prospect entering the league at a future date, I would lean moreso to the guy entering the league now unless there is a 'Peterson vs the norm' or 'Calvin to the norm' type of talent discrepancy present........In almost every instance, this is not the case. In other words, give me Mathews now vs Ingram/Richardson later........
 
I'm obviously on the Mathews train....its going full steam right now.

What would Ingram run a 40 in? someone stated a 4.4.....i don't see him that fast when I watch him.

Anyone else have a thought?
I don't see 4.4 speed for Ingram. I would guess somewhere between 4.5 and 4.6, probably leaning closer to 4.5.
40 Time: 4.48 40 Low: 4.42 40 High: 4.57
NFL Draft Scout
Where do those times come from? I am skeptical of any 40 time I see that wasn't recorded at the combine.
 
I'm obviously on the Mathews train....its going full steam right now.

What would Ingram run a 40 in? someone stated a 4.4.....i don't see him that fast when I watch him.

Anyone else have a thought?
I don't see 4.4 speed for Ingram. I would guess somewhere between 4.5 and 4.6, probably leaning closer to 4.5.
40 Time: 4.48 40 Low: 4.42 40 High: 4.57
NFL Draft Scout
Where do those times come from? I am skeptical of any 40 time I see that wasn't recorded at the combine.
I don't know, but NFL Draft Scout have posted 40 times for years. I assume there is some validity to it.
 
Good discussion for our dev leagues. Mathews is the Rookie 1.1, Ingram the Devy 1.1, or in leagues like Presidential Suite, both guys are available in the same pool. I assume this topic was with your 1.1 in Pres II in mind. I prefer Ingram myself, even more so if you can wait another year on him.
Why would you call Mathews the 1.1 in rookie drafts? I thought you had a woody for Spiller? Bryant? Of course we're both talking about PPR leagues here.
Probably because in most devy leagues mathews is the top rated rookie that isnt already rostered (spiller/dez/best/dwyer were probably drafted last year, while mathews wasn't)
 
I don't know, but NFL Draft Scout have posted 40 times for years. I assume there is some validity to it.
That's just a projection. They have a 40time for John Brantley- who's light years away from the draft. And these 40-times are extremely hard to predict. NFLDS does a great job scouting players and they were still off on many prospects. Dexter McCluster and John Dwyer being prime examples. From what I've seen, I'm not convinced that Ingram has the elite top-end speed of Matthews.
 
Where do those times come from? I am skeptical of any 40 time I see that wasn't recorded at the combine.
I'm skeptical of any 40 time period. :shrug: Just not a great tool for player evaluation or at least not as great as it's made up to be at this time every year.
I agree...especially for a player like Ingram. I wouldn't expect a great 40 time...but the reason he is consistently compared to Emmitt Smith has nothing to do with top end speed.
 
Good discussion for our dev leagues. Mathews is the Rookie 1.1, Ingram the Devy 1.1, or in leagues like Presidential Suite, both guys are available in the same pool. I assume this topic was with your 1.1 in Pres II in mind. I prefer Ingram myself, even more so if you can wait another year on him.
Why would you call Mathews the 1.1 in rookie drafts? I thought you had a woody for Spiller? Bryant? Of course we're both talking about PPR leagues here.
Probably because in most devy leagues mathews is the top rated rookie that isnt already rostered (spiller/dez/best/dwyer were probably drafted last year, while mathews wasn't)
I picked up Mathews with my fifth round pick last year in my developmental league. I remember Awesomeness was really high on him and I took a flyer in the fifth round. Outside of taking Dez with my 1.2 (Benn went first), Mathews was my best pick thanks to the SP.
 
Good discussion for our dev leagues. Mathews is the Rookie 1.1, Ingram the Devy 1.1, or in leagues like Presidential Suite, both guys are available in the same pool. I assume this topic was with your 1.1 in Pres II in mind. I prefer Ingram myself, even more so if you can wait another year on him.
Why would you call Mathews the 1.1 in rookie drafts? I thought you had a woody for Spiller? Bryant? Of course we're both talking about PPR leagues here.
Probably because in most devy leagues mathews is the top rated rookie that isnt already rostered (spiller/dez/best/dwyer were probably drafted last year, while mathews wasn't)
I picked up Mathews with my fifth round pick last year in my developmental league. I remember Awesomeness was really high on him and I took a flyer in the fifth round. Outside of taking Dez with my 1.2 (Benn went first), Mathews was my best pick thanks to the SP.
How do I get in a league with 5 rounds of devy's?
 
I'm obviously on the Mathews train....its going full steam right now.

What would Ingram run a 40 in? someone stated a 4.4.....i don't see him that fast when I watch him.

Anyone else have a thought?
I don't see 4.4 speed for Ingram. I would guess somewhere between 4.5 and 4.6, probably leaning closer to 4.5.
Ingram is a carbon-copy of Emmitt Smith, a guy who wasn't a speed demon,either.. :goodposting:
 
I'm obviously on the Mathews train....its going full steam right now.

What would Ingram run a 40 in? someone stated a 4.4.....i don't see him that fast when I watch him.

Anyone else have a thought?
I don't see 4.4 speed for Ingram. I would guess somewhere between 4.5 and 4.6, probably leaning closer to 4.5.
Ingram is a carbon-copy of Emmitt Smith, a guy who wasn't a speed demon,either.. :lol:
He's not a carbon-copy of Emmitt Smith. He's faster than Smith. However, there are similarities.Here's what Gil Brandt had to say about Ingram.

MARK INGRAM/Alabama

Height and weight -- 5-foot-10, 212 pounds.

Class -- Sophomore.

Who he compares to -- Emmitt Smith.

Strengths -- Great vision allows him to find the hole. Quick feet allow him to maneuver even in heavy traffic. He also has good lower body strength.

Weaknesses -- Scouts question his ability to pick up the blitz in pass protection and his pass receiving skills, despite good numbers. - notice nothing here about speed

What sets him apart -- One scout noted that Ingram gets a great percentage of his yards after contact. If he can do it at an SEC level, he can do it at the next, the scout said.

NFL future -- Will be a top-three back in the draft by the time he's eligible.

Last word from Gil Brandt -- "He's taller than Emmitt. Secondly, I think he's faster than Emmitt. Where he has the resemblance to Emmitt is that they're both strong, powerful guys."

 
I'm obviously on the Mathews train....its going full steam right now.

What would Ingram run a 40 in? someone stated a 4.4.....i don't see him that fast when I watch him.

Anyone else have a thought?
I don't see 4.4 speed for Ingram. I would guess somewhere between 4.5 and 4.6, probably leaning closer to 4.5.
Ingram is a carbon-copy of Emmitt Smith, a guy who wasn't a speed demon,either.. :mellow:
I never said Ingram's speed would hold him back in any way. Simply stating that I don't think he has 4.4 speed.
 
I think Ingram will be a more durable than Mathews. He's not the most explosive back, but he has adequate speed and quickness. He avoids contact well and is built really solid. I think he's a legitimate first round RB prospect.

I think his teammate Trent Richardson will eventually be better than both of them though.

 
I think Ingram will be a more durable than Mathews. He's not the most explosive back, but he has adequate speed and quickness. He avoids contact well and is built really solid. I think he's a legitimate first round RB prospect.I think his teammate Trent Richardson will eventually be better than both of them though.
:confused: Trent Richardson is a stud in the making. If not a stud now.
 
Good discussion for our dev leagues. Mathews is the Rookie 1.1, Ingram the Devy 1.1, or in leagues like Presidential Suite, both guys are available in the same pool. I assume this topic was with your 1.1 in Pres II in mind. I prefer Ingram myself, even more so if you can wait another year on him.
Why would you call Mathews the 1.1 in rookie drafts? I thought you had a woody for Spiller? Bryant? Of course we're both talking about PPR leagues here.
Shhh! Let him take Mathews and drop Spiller to me. :thumbup:
 
Ingram is no doubt the better prospect IMO. He does one thing better than any RB in this class or next years class, break tackles. It's simply amazing how many tackles this guy broke last year. In the SEC that is really something too. He has elite balance and vision, 2 traits I look for in a RB. The only thing I worry about with Ingram is his shelf life. I disagree with EBF in that he avoids contact well. I don't think he so much avoids it, but he is great at getting guys off balance and putting himself in a position to shed the tackles. I worry about him taking more solid hits in the NFL as the athletes get better and so does technique. His frame is remarkably solid however so I should be well suited for a workhorse role.

I have to agree that Richardson is the best prospect of them all. I'd really like to see more of him in a featured role though.

 
Where do those times come from? I am skeptical of any 40 time I see that wasn't recorded at the combine.
I'm skeptical of any 40 time period. :) Just not a great tool for player evaluation or at least not as great as it's made up to be at this time every year.
I agree...especially for a player like Ingram. I wouldn't expect a great 40 time...but the reason he is consistently compared to Emmitt Smith has nothing to do with top end speed.
While I've never heard him compared to Emmitt, he was the player I was thinking of that most resembles Ingram. Also reminds me of Travis Henry before the trainwreck.
 

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