Which Teams Would Trade Their Starting QB (1 Viewer)

[smackdaddies]

Pretty sure we can all agree that Cinci made out like bandits on this deal - One 1st, the second possibly also a 1st? Gravy. After catching crap all preseason, they get the best possible deal.

So I was thinking on the drive home from work ....Never mind trading a hold out - what team would trade their starting qb for those two picks?

Denver? Have to think so

Miami - Why not?

Seattle - you know they would make that trade in a New York Minute.

Those are the easy ones....

How about Chicago?

Bills?

Minnesota do a twofer?

I have to think that perhaps there are only 12 or so teams that would not consider it.

 

[Eviloutsider]

Ones that are untouchable...

Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, Brees

More than likely not...

Bradford, Stafford, Vick, Manning x 2, Sanchez, Flacco, Rothlesberger, Schaub, Romo, Ryan, Newton, Freeman,

Maybe...

Fitzpatrick (for sure if they weren't doing well), Dalton, McCoy, Cassel, Cutler, Kolb, A. Smith (for sure if they weren't doing well, Ponder, Gabbert

For Sure...

Henne, Hasselbeck, Tebow, Campbell, Grossman/Beck, Wallace

The issue is that once you trade away your QB your season is over. Not many people are willing to do that yet.

 

[Swinagen]

Texans fan here. My buddies and I were talking about it and although we may be in the minority, I'd feel okay trading Schaub for two 1st round picks.

 

[smackdaddies]

I would trade Romo for two 1sts. Sanchez too.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

The Colts would be nuts to not trade Manning for 2 number 1's.

 

[Breesisdaman]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

 

[Max Power]

Ones that are untouchable...Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, BreesMore than likely not...Bradford, Stafford, Vick, Manning x 2, Sanchez, Flacco, Rothlesberger, Schaub, Romo, Ryan, Newton, Freeman, Maybe...Fitzpatrick (for sure if they weren't doing well), Dalton, McCoy, Cassel, Cutler, Kolb, A. Smith (for sure if they weren't doing well, Ponder, GabbertFor Sure...Henne, Hasselbeck, Tebow, Campbell, Grossman/Beck, WallaceThe issue is that once you trade away your QB your season is over. Not many people are willing to do that yet.

Nice list, but Cutler should be bumped up one tier. Its not his fault the Bears OL is terrible. Hes the best QB we've had in years. Besides, we'd just waste the draft picks anyway.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Ones that are untouchable...Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, BreesMore than likely not...Bradford, Stafford, Vick, Manning x 2, Sanchez, Flacco, Rothlesberger, Schaub, Romo, Ryan, Newton, Freeman, Maybe...Fitzpatrick (for sure if they weren't doing well), Dalton, McCoy, Cassel, Cutler, Kolb, A. Smith (for sure if they weren't doing well, Ponder, GabbertFor Sure...Henne, Hasselbeck, Tebow, Campbell, Grossman/Beck, WallaceThe issue is that once you trade away your QB your season is over. Not many people are willing to do that yet.

For 2 first rounders? Assuming things like sentiment don't come into play, anybody but Rodgers, Brady, P. Manning, Brees and maybe Stafford.Of course, it would be a PR disaster. But assuming you had a viable team, two high first-rounders could set you up for the next 10 years.

 

[glong989]

Wouldn't most of these franchises just roll the dice on another QB in the first?..

Too me I would rather have a serviceable/decent QB than throw one away on the off chance my draft picks actually pan out..I think too many are assuming you will choose 2 first round picks that actually pan out..most of the guys talked about were first round picks to begin with..

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You couldn't get Romo, Ryan, Eli, Freeman or Big Ben with those picks. No way. Are you kidding me with the Big Ben thing? The guy has two superbowl rings. Eli has one too. No way. Trading these guys would kill any chance for the playoffs this year for those teams. And they all still have playoff aspirations. I think the Bills would have a PR disaster on their hands if they tried it too. How long has it been since they made the playoffs? And now you trade away the starting QB for a couple of picks? Have you seen CJ Spiller and Aaron Maybin?The Jets might just be able to sell it, because I think the fanbase doesn't believe that Sanchez is the answer. But that's for another thread...

 

[Fensalk]

Its threads like this that assume the Bengals made out in the deal that makes me think the Raiders are going to end up the big winners in the end. Its just that karma thing.

 

[Joe Summer]

How does this relate to the Oakland/Cincinnati trade? Neither team traded their starting QB.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

 

[shredhead]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

Did you mean to say the Bengals?I'm sure the Rams would get something better than what the Raiders could offer...Palmer and a second is not enough to move up to get Luck.

 

[footballnerd]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

trade down to MIA and take Richardson?

 

[Joe Summer]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

trade down to MIA and take Richardson?

Do you think they could get more by trading the pick before the draft, or could they get more by drafting Luck?

 

[Shrugs]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

Did you mean to say the Bengals?I'm sure the Rams would get something better than what the Raiders could offer...Palmer and a second is not enough to move up to get Luck.

Bengals yes (tired brain here), actually the Bengals are in great shape for once.

 

[EBF]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

Then you are overrating picks, IMO. I would gladly give two ones for Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees, Newton, or Rivers. You can't win in the NFL without a QB. A good QB is the starting point of all sustained success.

 

[Tony Reali]

I'm sort of confused. Are you saying "which teams would trade their QB if 2 firsts were offered for them"? And like they would have to go the rest of the season with their current QB?

If so, I would assume anyone not named Brady, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers would go. Possibly Roethlisberger. It's also kind of silly to assume that terrible QBs would even be involved in the mix

 

[footballnerd]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

trade down to MIA and take Richardson?

Do you think they could get more by trading the pick before the draft, or could they get more by drafting Luck?

pick and a player vs pick and a player....think whoever the buyer is would work it out before they make the selection

 

[JKL]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

I'm astonished at the responses that are prevalent in this thread, that there are only a couple of guys worth 2 first round picks.The median player drafted in the first round between picks 11 and 20 from 1983-2002 was guys like Donte Stallworth and Phillip Buchanon and Tony Eason and Duane Clemons. Yeah, lots of teams would be lining up to trade away their quarterbacks for an average expected return like that, while having to find another starter.An average starting quarterback is worth at least a first rounder. A good one, multiple ones. You couldn't give Green Bay enough first round picks to get them to trade you Aaron Rodgers. Two ain't cutting it.

 

[QuizGuy66]

There is no way that 2 #1's is all that it would take to get LHUCKS er Luck (and btw, the Bengals got a #1 and a #2). Certainly not two mid-round picks. Besides, the Bengals will not do that. They have their QB for the next decade in Dalton.

I'd love to see a scenario where you have, say, the top of the draft board looking like this:

1) Rams

2) Dolphins

3) Colts

4) Jaguars

Can you imagine the bidding war that would ensue for those next 3 teams to try and get Luck?!? Minimum price would be something like 2 #1s and 2 #2s. And even that might not be enough to win the bidding war.

-QG

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

One of the most clueless posts I've ever read.If you were running an NFL team in need of a QB, you'd maybe trade 2 1st round picks (aka "gambles", aka "not sure things")for a Brees/Roethlisberger/Rivers/Brady/Ryan etc?

You'd have your job for about a half hour. You're overrating draft picks to a laughable extreme.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

One of the most clueless posts I've ever read.If you were running an NFL team in need of a QB, you'd maybe trade 2 1st round picks (aka "gambles", aka "not sure things")for a Brees/Roethlisberger/Rivers/Brady/Ryan etc?

You'd have your job for about a half hour. You're overrating draft picks to a laughable extreme.

When Big Ben was going through his troubles, if a team offered two #1s for him, he'd be wearing different colors. Rivers, Brady and Brees would be out of the question. Freeman and Newton (and maybe Dalton) look too promising to give up on for that. But everyone else should be worried if that offer came through.

 

[Shrugs]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

One of the most clueless posts I've ever read.If you were running an NFL team in need of a QB, you'd maybe trade 2 1st round picks (aka "gambles", aka "not sure things")for a Brees/Roethlisberger/Rivers/Brady/Ryan etc?

You'd have your job for about a half hour. You're overrating draft picks to a laughable extreme.

I really don't think Roethlisberger or Ryan are special, and I wouldn't want Roethlisberger's off-field issues. Brees and Rivers are probably worth doing it for. Brady is obviously worth it for now and wouldn't be given up for it, but I'd have trouble giving up two first rounders for a 34-year-old unless I thought the team would contend for the championship with him.

 

[Daywalker]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

St. Louis would draft Luck and trade Bradford.

 

[hines]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

this is unbelievable. look at the picks from 13-22 from 5 years ago, just picking an area where the Raiders are.13. Kamerion Wimbley14. Broderick Bunkley15. Tye Hill16. Jason Allen17. Chad Greenway18. Bobby Carpenter19. Antonio Cromartie20. Tamba Hali21. Laurence Maroney22. Manny Lawson2 guys that have made a pro-bowl and several just absolute busts. your hit rate on getting a solid player is not good at all. for 2 of these guys, even if you could guarantee Hali and Cromartie (and of course in reality you'd be taking just 2 random ones basically) you would downgrade from Tom Brady to Brian Hoyer? the Pats offense would instantly go from top 3 in the league to mediocre. for a possible upgrade at 2 positions in a couple years? absurd

 

[Shrugs]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

this is unbelievable. look at the picks from 13-22 from 5 years ago, just picking an area where the Raiders are.13. Kamerion Wimbley14. Broderick Bunkley15. Tye Hill16. Jason Allen17. Chad Greenway18. Bobby Carpenter19. Antonio Cromartie20. Tamba Hali21. Laurence Maroney22. Manny Lawson2 guys that have made a pro-bowl and several just absolute busts. your hit rate on getting a solid player is not good at all. for 2 of these guys, even if you could guarantee Hali and Cromartie (and of course in reality you'd be taking just 2 random ones basically) you would downgrade from Tom Brady to Brian Hoyer? the Pats offense would instantly go from top 3 in the league to mediocre. for a possible upgrade at 2 positions in a couple years? absurd

I'm not saying the Pats should do this. I'm saying what QBs should the Raiders trade two first rounders for. I don't think that Pats should trade Brady for two first rounders and I don't think the Raiders should trade two first rounders for a 34-year-old Brady. Of course, if the option is to trade the two first rounders for Brady or Palmer, I would choose Brady.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Off the top of my head this is imo fair market value for these QBs:

Rogers- 8 1sts

Cam- 6 1sts

Brady- 5 1sts

Brees- 5 1sts

Rivers- 4 1sts

Luck- 4 1sts

Peyton(assuming he is 100% by 2012)- 3 1sts + 1 2nd

Eli- 3 1sts

Freeman- 3 1sts

Stafford- 2 1sts and 1 2nd

Big Ben- 2 1sts and 1 3rd

Romo- 2 1sts

Vick- 2 1sts

Cutler- 2 1sts

Ryan- 2 1sts

Flacco- 2 1sts

Bradford- 2 1sts

I don't think anyone other QB is worth 2 1sts or more.

QBs are really really valuable. Super elite ones(Brady/Manning) would be worth a 1st rounder for every single year that they played imo.

 

[Short Corner]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

If anyone trades that pick, it will take a high first in the same draft along with another first and two seconds as a starting point. Cincy will have a mediocre first in the draft.

 

[Shrugs]

If I ran the Giants, I would trade away 3 first rounders for anyone to take Eli and his salary.

 

[Donsmith753]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

Then you are overrating picks, IMO. I would gladly give two ones for Roethlisberger, Brady, Brees, Newton, or Rivers. You can't win in the NFL without a QB. A good QB is the starting point of all sustained success.

Exactly, not all first round picks are created equal. Are we talking top 3rd or bottom 3rd here? This question is impossible without knowing this.

 

[Warrior]

The Colts would be nuts to not trade Manning for 2 number 1's.

Yeah, they're doing just fine without Manning.

 

[Warrior]

Off the top of my head this is imo fair market value for these QBs:Rogers- 8 1stsCam- 6 1stsBrady- 5 1stsBrees- 5 1stsRivers- 4 1stsLuck- 4 1stsPeyton(assuming he is 100% by 2012)- 3 1sts + 1 2ndEli- 3 1sts Freeman- 3 1stsStafford- 2 1sts and 1 2ndBig Ben- 2 1sts and 1 3rdRomo- 2 1stsVick- 2 1stsCutler- 2 1stsRyan- 2 1stsFlacco- 2 1stsBradford- 2 1stsI don't think anyone other QB is worth 2 1sts or more.QBs are really really valuable. Super elite ones(Brady/Manning) would be worth a 1st rounder for every single year that they played imo.

These values are based on Fantasy Football and are laughable when you relate them to the NFL. Newton has played well in a couple games. He's got as many INT's as TD's and was a 1st rounder in the most recent draft. Drew Brees is one of the top 2-3 QB's in the NFL, has won a superbowl, and has a good 5-6 years left easily.Need to climb out of the fantasy football bubble if you're going to assign values here.

 

[FUBAR]

Ones that are untouchable...Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, BreesMore than likely not...Bradford, Stafford, Vick, Manning x 2, Sanchez, Flacco, Rothlesberger, Schaub, Romo, Ryan, Newton, Freeman, Maybe...Fitzpatrick (for sure if they weren't doing well), Dalton, McCoy, Cassel, Cutler, Kolb, A. Smith (for sure if they weren't doing well, Ponder, GabbertFor Sure...Henne, Hasselbeck, Tebow, Campbell, Grossman/Beck, WallaceThe issue is that once you trade away your QB your season is over. Not many people are willing to do that yet.

For 2 first rounders? Assuming things like sentiment don't come into play, anybody but Rodgers, Brady, P. Manning, Brees and maybe Stafford.Of course, it would be a PR disaster. But assuming you had a viable team, two high first-rounders could set you up for the next 10 years.

Sure, you could walk away with Tyson Jackson and Aaron Curry most people here are severely underrating the value of a solid or good QB.

 

[FUBAR]

You're if you think two 1sts is enough to land one of the top 12 QBs. Palmer has issues and is a below average QB now.

Consider the hit rate of 1st round QBs from 2000-2009 (too early to tell on 2010 and 2011)

1200911Matthew StaffordQBDET2009201100251940571045313425301283Georgia2200915Mark SanchezQBNYJ200920110031537585106971073838762538USC32009117Josh FreemanQBTAM200920110031632586983676540301266342Kansas St.4200813Matt RyanQBATL200820110143852101916741152674401463353Boston Col.52008118Joe FlaccoQBBAL20082011004345396715891148467381443434Delaware6200711JaMarcus RussellQBOAK2007200900273135468040831823401751LSU72007122Brady QuinnQBCLE200720110013141843531902109251191Notre Dame8200613Vince YoungQBTEN200620110243155689119180984243265138212Texas92006110Matt LeinartQBARI2006201100112293405953893142046902USC102006111Jay CutlerQBDEN2006201101549741479240717440112832108565Vanderbilt11200511Alex SmithQBSFO20052011006206096416721048959551424973Utah122005124Aaron RodgersQBGNB20052011014486011841819147541043521699315California132005125Jason CampbellQBWAS2006201100540711296213114417745021810686Auburn14200411Eli ManningQBSDG200420110176411120573528244241671181743384Mississippi15200414Philip RiversQBNYG2004201103674891689264121197142651842973North Carolina St.162004111Ben RoethlisbergerQBPIT200420110187210518872995240781539227792614172004122J.P. LosmanQBBUF200420090011943558942621133341034893Tulane18200311Carson PalmerQBCIN20042010026699720243217226941541001793165USC19200317Byron LeftwichQBJAX20032011003325890515521026058411363849Marshall202003119Kyle BollerQBBAL2003201100417668541505887048511725432California212003122Rex GrossmanQBCHI20032011003184669012698213464971983Florida22200211David CarrQBHOU2002201100544921351226414433657130213319Fresno St.23200213Joey HarringtonQBDET200220070063181142425381469379851424020Oregon242002132Patrick RamseyQBWAS2002200800114385119135930353047892Tulane25200111Michael VickQBATL2001201104674104129223151618210266698500232Virginia Tech262000118Chad PenningtonQBNYJ2000201000555891632247117823102641804657Marshall

Less than half of these guys were starter caliber for any length of time.

It's much harder to hit on 1st round picks than most here seem to think. Give me an above average starter any day for two 1sts (not that Palmer is above average)

 

[FUBAR]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You know what, that's funny, I had not thought of that.What IF a St Louis finishes dead last and gets the No. 1 pick. They won't draft Luck; the Raiders would be in awesome position to trade picks to move up and get Luck. Maybe that's what's going on here.

St. Louis would draft Luck and trade Bradford.

They could end up in the same boat as the Chargers were with Brees/Rivers (hang on to Bradford for a year or two), although Bradford was obviously drafted higher.

 

[jurb26]

1st of all, this thread doesn't really replicate the Cinci/Oak situation because Palmer was NOT starting for Cinci. Actually, he was not even on the team. With that said I think the only teams that would trade their STARTING QB for 2 1st would be:

Mia - yeah, no question now that Henne isn't starting.

Indy - again, no question. I think Indy would take 2 1st for Painter and run.

Sea - Jackson is not that good and Sea would be wise to take that deal.

Den - I'm not speculating on if Tebow is good or not. It just seems ownership would love to move him.

Others I'm not sure about but would probably think about it long and hard:

Clev - Colt isn't great but I'm not sure about this one.

Wash - I think it would be worth it, but Wash may disagree.

SF - prior to this season I'm sure everyone would have thought this was a slam dunk.

By in large I think many people are underestimating the importance of starting caliber QBs and how difficult they are to find. 2 1st is certainly a lot to give up but no other position is more critical in the NFL nor as hard to fill.

 

[Fat Nick]

As a Skins fan, I'd be elated if the Skins traded Grossman AND Beck for 2 #1's.

 

[FUBAR]

1st of all, this thread doesn't really replicate the Cinci/Oak situation because Palmer was NOT starting for Cinci. Actually, he was not even on the team. With that said I think the only teams that would trade their STARTING QB for 2 1st would be:

Mia - yeah, no question now that Henne isn't starting.

Indy - again, no question. I think Indy would take 2 1st for Painter and run.

Sea - Jackson is not that good and Sea would be wise to take that deal.

Den - I'm not speculating on if Tebow is good or not. It just seems ownership would love to move him.

Others I'm not sure about but would probably think about it long and hard:

Clev - Colt isn't great but I'm not sure about this one.

Wash - I think it would be worth it, but Wash may disagree.

SF - prior to this season I'm sure everyone would have thought this was a slam dunk.

By in large I think many people are underestimating the importance of starting caliber QBs and how difficult they are to find. 2 1st is certainly a lot to give up but no other position is more critical in the NFL nor as hard to fill.

With Kaepernick in tow, I'd send Smith packing for two 1sts rather easily still.

 

[Breesisdaman]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You couldn't get Romo, Ryan, Eli, Freeman or Big Ben with those picks. No way. Are you kidding me with the Big Ben thing? The guy has two superbowl rings. Eli has one too. No way. Trading these guys would kill any chance for the playoffs this year for those teams. And they all still have playoff aspirations. I think the Bills would have a PR disaster on their hands if they tried it too. How long has it been since they made the playoffs? And now you trade away the starting QB for a couple of picks? Have you seen CJ Spiller and Aaron Maybin?The Jets might just be able to sell it, because I think the fanbase doesn't believe that Sanchez is the answer. But that's for another thread...

excuse me but those teams have superbowl rings in spite of the QB play. Plus these QB's are in decline now.

 

[Reepicheep]

1st of all, this thread doesn't really replicate the Cinci/Oak situation because Palmer was NOT starting for Cinci. Actually, he was not even on the team. With that said I think the only teams that would trade their STARTING QB for 2 1st would be:Mia - yeah, no question now that Henne isn't starting.Indy - again, no question. I think Indy would take 2 1st for Painter and run.Sea - Jackson is not that good and Sea would be wise to take that deal.Den - I'm not speculating on if Tebow is good or not. It just seems ownership would love to move him.Others I'm not sure about but would probably think about it long and hard:Clev - Colt isn't great but I'm not sure about this one.Wash - I think it would be worth it, but Wash may disagree.SF - prior to this season I'm sure everyone would have thought this was a slam dunk.By in large I think many people are underestimating the importance of starting caliber QBs and how difficult they are to find. 2 1st is certainly a lot to give up but no other position is more critical in the NFL nor as hard to fill.

In the NFL the whole game is to get a franchise QB, build a team around him, and make a runs at the Super Bowl. It's why deals like the one for Palmer or Cutler are so rare, and why even a relatively unproved guy like Kolb commanded a 2nd round pick and a pro-bowl player at arguably the 2nd most important position in the NFL. Although I'm pretty sure the Redskins would trade Grossman AND Beck for a 1st round pick and a bag of chips.

 

[lynx4ben]

I'd like to look at it the other way around, if you were running the Raiders what QB do you think would be worth 2 first rounders? I think the only definite is Rodgers. Maybes are Brady, Stafford, Brees, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Rivers, Vick, Newton, Flacco, McCoy, Bradford. I would only do it for Stafford and Newton. Brees and Rivers are the next closest, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it for Brady at 34. So there's only three QBs in the league for whom I would give up what the Raiders gave for Carson Palmer.

Wow people are nuts. No one is trading their starting QB for two firsts unless that QB is worthless or some other situation. The two that recently went for around two firsts are Cutler and Palmer and their situations dictated that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would trade Romo for two 1sts. Sanchez too.

In a vacuum maybe, but when that forces your team to start Jon Kitna and Mark Brunell for the rest of the season, probably not.

 

[runner06]

I think a lot of people are underrating QBs and overrating draft picks in this thread.

Anyways,

No chance in hell QBs (unless their situation dictated): Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Peyton Manning, Blaine Gabbert, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Michael Vick, Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Drew Brees, Josh Freeman, and Sam Bradford.

Starting QBs with a very outside shot of being had for two 1st round picks or less

Ryan Fitzpatrick

Kevin Kolb

Starting QBs that might be able to had or probably could be had for two 1st round picks or less

Mark Sanchez (maybe)

Christian Ponder (maybe)

Colt McCoy (???)

Andy Dalton (maybe)

Matt Cassel (???)

Alex Smith (probably if they weren't in the hunt)

Definitely less then two 1st round picks or less

Tim Tebow and Kyle Orton

Tavaris Jackson

John Beck and Rex Grossman

Matt Moore

Matt Hasselbeck (though not Jake Locker)

 

[Assani Fisher]

Off the top of my head this is imo fair market value for these QBs:Rogers- 8 1stsCam- 6 1stsBrady- 5 1stsBrees- 5 1stsRivers- 4 1stsLuck- 4 1stsPeyton(assuming he is 100% by 2012)- 3 1sts + 1 2ndEli- 3 1sts Freeman- 3 1stsStafford- 2 1sts and 1 2ndBig Ben- 2 1sts and 1 3rdRomo- 2 1stsVick- 2 1stsCutler- 2 1stsRyan- 2 1stsFlacco- 2 1stsBradford- 2 1stsI don't think anyone other QB is worth 2 1sts or more.QBs are really really valuable. Super elite ones(Brady/Manning) would be worth a 1st rounder for every single year that they played imo.

These values are based on Fantasy Football and are laughable when you relate them to the NFL. Newton has played well in a couple games. He's got as many INT's as TD's and was a 1st rounder in the most recent draft. Drew Brees is one of the top 2-3 QB's in the NFL, has won a superbowl, and has a good 5-6 years left easily.Need to climb out of the fantasy football bubble if you're going to assign values here.

Not at all. Unlike most here, I barely even play FF(I joined 2 leagues at the last second because a friend asked me to, otherwise I wouldn't be in any). If by "played well in a couple of games" you mean "had the best statistical first 6 games of any QB ever" then I would agree, but those two statements are quite far from each other. Newton is being asked to do everything as a rookie, and its expected that he'll have a ton of INTs(Peyton did too as a rookie). Its also blatantly unfair for you to compare his TDs/INTs and not include his rushing TDs.In 2010 the Panthers were dead last in yards and points scored. Through 6 games this year they are 18th in points scored and 5th in yardage. That has nothing to do with FF and has everything to do with a rookie QB having tons of real life value. Cam is only 22 years old, he dominated in college, his game transitioned incredibly to the pros(many thought it wouldn't), he has amazing body/size for the position, he has great arm strength, he was the #1 overall pick, and through 6 games he is absolutely crushing previous rookie QB records. Yes he has a 3.9 INT%, but he is being asked to throw a ton and they are behind often so defenses can key in on him. Peyton Manning had a 4.9 INT% his rookie year...with rookie QBs you don't necessarily care about "mistake free" as much as you care about demonstrating superstar qualities when evaluating their potential.

 

[FUBAR]

Off the top of my head this is imo fair market value for these QBs:

Rogers- 8 1sts

Cam- 6 1sts

Brady- 5 1sts

Brees- 5 1sts

Rivers- 4 1sts

Luck- 4 1sts

Peyton(assuming he is 100% by 2012)- 3 1sts + 1 2nd

Eli- 3 1sts

Freeman- 3 1sts

Stafford- 2 1sts and 1 2nd

Big Ben- 2 1sts and 1 3rd

Romo- 2 1sts

Vick- 2 1sts

Cutler- 2 1sts

Ryan- 2 1sts

Flacco- 2 1sts

Bradford- 2 1sts

I don't think anyone other QB is worth 2 1sts or more.

QBs are really really valuable. Super elite ones(Brady/Manning) would be worth a 1st rounder for every single year that they played imo.

These values are based on Fantasy Football and are laughable when you relate them to the NFL. Newton has played well in a couple games. He's got as many INT's as TD's and was a 1st rounder in the most recent draft. Drew Brees is one of the top 2-3 QB's in the NFL, has won a superbowl, and has a good 5-6 years left easily.Need to climb out of the fantasy football bubble if you're going to assign values here.

Not at all. Unlike most here, I barely even play FF(I joined 2 leagues at the last second because a friend asked me to, otherwise I wouldn't be in any). If by "played well in a couple of games" you mean "had the best statistical first 6 games of any QB ever" then I would agree, but those two statements are quite far from each other. Newton is being asked to do everything as a rookie, and its expected that he'll have a ton of INTs(Peyton did too as a rookie). Its also blatantly unfair for you to compare his TDs/INTs and not include his rushing TDs.

In 2010 the Panthers were dead last in yards and points scored. Through 6 games this year they are 18th in points scored and 5th in yardage. That has nothing to do with FF and has everything to do with a rookie QB having tons of real life value.

Cam is only 22 years old, he dominated in college, his game transitioned incredibly to the pros(many thought it wouldn't), he has amazing body/size for the position, he has great arm strength, he was the #1 overall pick, and through 6 games he is absolutely crushing previous rookie QB records. Yes he has a 3.9 INT%, but he is being asked to throw a ton and they are behind often so defenses can key in on him. Peyton Manning had a 4.9 INT% his rookie year...with rookie QBs you don't necessarily care about "mistake free" as much as you care about demonstrating superstar qualities when evaluating their potential.

fact is, some guys just are completely untradeable unless they start to make too many demands. Rodgers, Cam, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Freeman, Stafford, Ben, and I think Bradford won't be traded unless circumstances change, period.

ETA: I'd add Peyton but his injury makes his situation a little more murky.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

for two #1 picks you could move up and get Luck maybe. I think Romo, Ryan, Eli, Sanchez, Freeman, Big Ben, Fitzpatrick, would be better than Palmer and two firsts would probably be enough.

You couldn't get Romo, Ryan, Eli, Freeman or Big Ben with those picks. No way. Are you kidding me with the Big Ben thing? The guy has two superbowl rings. Eli has one too. No way. Trading these guys would kill any chance for the playoffs this year for those teams. And they all still have playoff aspirations. I think the Bills would have a PR disaster on their hands if they tried it too. How long has it been since they made the playoffs? And now you trade away the starting QB for a couple of picks? Have you seen CJ Spiller and Aaron Maybin?The Jets might just be able to sell it, because I think the fanbase doesn't believe that Sanchez is the answer. But that's for another thread...

excuse me but those teams have superbowl rings in spite of the QB play. Plus these QB's are in decline now.

You are better than this. I know you are. Eli was named MVP of the Superbowl after throwing two TD passes while trailing in the 4th quarter to beat the previously unbeaten Patriots. This after significantly outplaying Brett Favre in the NFC Championship game at Lambeau. Incidently, his current passer rating is 101, which puts him 3rd in the NFL behind Rodgers and Brady.Big Ben is 2-1 in three Superbowl appearances, and has only been in the league 7 years. While I'd agree he was mostly along for the ride his 2nd year, I would have thought the game winning TD drive he led to beat Arizona would have convinced his doubters. Eli is 30 and Ben is 29. Seems like they are just hitting their prime to me.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Saw this post on another board regarding Cam's value and thought it was a good point:

The top 8 offenses in the league(top 25%) are currently New England, New Orleans, Philly, Green Bay, Carolina, San Diego, Dallas, and Houston. Notice that none of these teams have a terrible QB and that the elite QBs are all here. Also notice that every single team in this list have vastly superior skill position players than what Carolina has. Apparently Cam must be pretty good so far to get his team into this group.

He definitely isn't just "putting up fantasy numbers." He is a legit superstar QB already as a 22 year old rookie and he has elite potential.