Which WR in this class will be better than Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)

[Ed Wood]

Johnson's situation in Detroit has its pros (Roy to take the pressure off, Mad Mike, serviceable QB) and cons (Roy as the first option, good divisional Ds in Chicago and Green Bay, no good backup if Kitna goes down, Furrey also there to compete for catches).

Will anyone in this deep WR class outperform him this year and over the length of their careers? If so, who will it be? Please answer both for this year and dynasty-wise. Obviously, dynasty-wise will kind of be a hunch, this year a little less so.

1.9 Ted Ginn. This year, no way. Dynasty-wise, I don't see how.

1.23 Dwayne Bowe. This year, he might be second to Johnson as far as possibly having a starting slot there for the taking. I think he could outperform Johnson if Croyle and/or Huard can be decent. Not a plethora of wideouts to compete with for catches, but Gonzo and LJ are still there. Dynasty-wise, I also think he's got a shot.

1.27 Robert Meacham. This year, probably not. Already off to a rocky start injury and weight wise. Lot of weapons on that team but there is a starting job there for the taking. Dynasty-wise, not as good a shot as Bowe IMO.

1.30 Craig Davis. Not a big fan. No and no.

1.32 Anthony Gonzalez. Can't argue the QB but too small a piece of the pie this year. Dynasty-wise should be more than serviceable but no Johnson.

2.12 Sidney Rice. This year, no way. Offense will likely be run heavy. Dynasty-wise, an intriguing possibility who has lots of talent.

2.13 Dwayne Jarrett. This year, I have a gut feeling he will if he can secure a starting spot early in the year. Has Steve Smith to draw lots of attention away from him. Dynasty-wise, I think their numbers will be surprisingly close.

2.19 Steve Smith. This year, nope. Dynasty-wise he'll be a nice player but he won't be near Johnson's class.

The rest of the field? I'm not seeing it.

Others thoughts?

Edited to add Anthony Gonzalez.

 

[lions327]

I think Calvin is the best WR to ever come out of college, so my answer is no to both.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I wouldn't be surprised of Steve Smith starts and plays well his first year.

Dynasty wise, I think Sidney Rice and Ted Ginn have the highest ceilings, but they are longshots.

 

[amnesiac]

i'm a big Anthony Gonzalez fan.

i think he will have a solid pro career.

so if i have to pick someone, it's him.

 

[-OZ-]

I'll add two long shots that I think are as likely as the rest to exceed CJ's production (although they are both much more likely to bust than the 1st round WRs):

Paul Williams - VY will throw to someone, and if he gets his head in the game, he's got more talent than most WRs this year

Jason Hill - Could be a very good combo with Alex Smith for the long term.

 

[EBF]

Tough to say. I think Laurent Robinson has a chance to become a Chad Johnson/Torry Holt type eventually.

I like Dwayne Jarrett a lot, but below average speed might cap his upside.

Ginn and Meachem have a lot of upside, but neither is a safe pick.

The rest of the WRs don't have superstar potential, IMO.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

None. If any can do it, it would be Rice, but the right answer is none.

 

[Prof. Chaos]

Jason Hill is talented and seems to be in good situation dynasty wise for a very solid career. I doubt he will ever be as productive as Calvin but he has a shot.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Agree with some of the others here. Rice has the best shot long-term, but it's still a longshot.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Paul Williams - VY will throw to someone, and if he gets his head in the game, he's got more talent than most WRs this year

cant say it... afraid to jinx him....

 

[FantasyTrader]

I agree with everyone saying that the right answer is no but, like OP, I REALLY like Jarrett's rookie situation and Gonzalez to a much lesser extent.

 

[Two Deep]

Jacoby Jones

Edit to add dynasty wise, certainly not this year. Got a feeling about this guy.

 

[wannabee]

Some stole my thunder on Hill who I think can be a star. Others I like are Jacoby Jones, Jarrett, and my longest shot is Andrae Allison

 

[Blackjacks]

I don't think he'll be better than Johnson this year or for years to come but I believe the second best wr in this class will be Robert Meacham. I think he is in a great situation with a very good qb and a talented and young offense. If he can stay healthy and in fit shape I like his upside alot.

 

[Ed Wood]

Paul Williams - VY will throw to someone, and if he gets his head in the game, he's got more talent than most WRs this year

I hope. I really like his chances if he's right.

 

[nittanylion]

I think that compared to the rest of the WR in his Draft Class, CJ is by far the Cream of the Crop, but others certainly stand a chance to make an impact. One guy I like, both in terms of his talent and situation, is Johnnie Lee Higgins in Oakland, obviously more from a Dynasty perspective than in terms of '07 Production, as there are far too many questions surrounding the Raiders at this time. There's no Rookie WR outside of CJ and Bowe who I think has better circumstances to develop, though.

I respect Jarrett's talent, and he's in a good situation as well for production, but I think there's more to Drew Carter than people are giving him credit for, and if he doesn't encounter injury issues, I'd be hard pressed to imagine Jarrett supplanting Carter as a starter this year.

 

[Billy1x]

Dynasty is an interesting question. Martz could leave after this year and Kitna might retire in a year or two. Who replaces them could have a big effect on CJ2's final value.

 

[Double_J]

Johnson's situation in Detroit has its pros (Roy to take the pressure off, Mad Mike, serviceable QB) and cons (Roy as the first option, good divisional Ds in Chicago and Green Bay, no good backup if Kitna goes down, Furrey also there to compete for catches).Will anyone in this deep WR class outperform him this year and over the length of their careers? If so, who will it be? Please answer both for this year and dynasty-wise. Obviously, dynasty-wise will kind of be a hunch, this year a little less so.1.9 Ted Ginn. This year, no way. Dynasty-wise, I don't see how. 1.23 Dwayne Bowe. This year, he might be second to Johnson as far as possibly having a starting slot there for the taking. I think he could outperform Johnson if Croyle and/or Huard can be decent. Not a plethora of wideouts to compete with for catches, but Gonzo and LJ are still there. Dynasty-wise, I also think he's got a shot.1.27 Robert Meacham. This year, probably not. Already off to a rocky start injury and weight wise. Lot of weapons on that team but there is a starting job there for the taking. Dynasty-wise, not as good a shot as Bowe IMO.1.30 Craig Davis. Not a big fan. No and no.1.32 Anthony Gonzalez. Can't argue the QB but too small a piece of the pie this year. Dynasty-wise should be more than serviceable but no Johnson.2.12 Sidney Rice. This year, no way. Offense will likely be run heavy. Dynasty-wise, an intriguing possibility who has lots of talent.2.13 Dwayne Jarrett. This year, I have a gut feeling he will if he can secure a starting spot early in the year. Has Steve Smith to draw lots of attention away from him. Dynasty-wise, I think their numbers will be surprisingly close.2.19 Steve Smith. This year, nope. Dynasty-wise he'll be a nice player but he won't be near Johnson's class.The rest of the field? I'm not seeing it.Others thoughts?Edited to add Anthony Gonzalez.

I don't really understand your analysis of Bowe and Davis. Talk to LSU fans and they'll tell you that Davis was LSU's most consistent receiver when he was there. Bowe dropped a ton of balls, which he has gotten better at since getting Lasik. Still, I don't understand how you can be so high on Bowe and so low on Davis. Davis is faster than Bowe, has better hands, and is in just as good of a situation if not better. I think Davis could be very, very productive in San Diego. None are close t CJ though.

 

[TC]

Everything I've seemn says CJohnson is the best WR prospect. Yet, Dwayne Bowe seems another Terry Glenn type that can be a steady-eddy. Until I see both more than a few times. I'll have to assume that Johnson is the better.

 

[Blackjacks]

Johnson's situation in Detroit has its pros (Roy to take the pressure off, Mad Mike, serviceable QB) and cons (Roy as the first option, good divisional Ds in Chicago and Green Bay, no good backup if Kitna goes down, Furrey also there to compete for catches).

Will anyone in this deep WR class outperform him this year and over the length of their careers? If so, who will it be? Please answer both for this year and dynasty-wise. Obviously, dynasty-wise will kind of be a hunch, this year a little less so.

1.9 Ted Ginn. This year, no way. Dynasty-wise, I don't see how.

1.23 Dwayne Bowe. This year, he might be second to Johnson as far as possibly having a starting slot there for the taking. I think he could outperform Johnson if Croyle and/or Huard can be decent. Not a plethora of wideouts to compete with for catches, but Gonzo and LJ are still there. Dynasty-wise, I also think he's got a shot.

1.27 Robert Meacham. This year, probably not. Already off to a rocky start injury and weight wise. Lot of weapons on that team but there is a starting job there for the taking. Dynasty-wise, not as good a shot as Bowe IMO.

1.30 Craig Davis. Not a big fan. No and no.

1.32 Anthony Gonzalez. Can't argue the QB but too small a piece of the pie this year. Dynasty-wise should be more than serviceable but no Johnson.

2.12 Sidney Rice. This year, no way. Offense will likely be run heavy. Dynasty-wise, an intriguing possibility who has lots of talent.

2.13 Dwayne Jarrett. This year, I have a gut feeling he will if he can secure a starting spot early in the year. Has Steve Smith to draw lots of attention away from him. Dynasty-wise, I think their numbers will be surprisingly close.

2.19 Steve Smith. This year, nope. Dynasty-wise he'll be a nice player but he won't be near Johnson's class.

The rest of the field? I'm not seeing it.

Others thoughts?

Edited to add Anthony Gonzalez.

I don't really understand your analysis of Bowe and Davis. Talk to LSU fans and they'll tell you that Davis was LSU's most consistent receiver when he was there. Bowe dropped a ton of balls, which he has gotten better at since getting Lasik. Still, I don't understand how you can be so high on Bowe and so low on Davis. Davis is faster than Bowe, has better hands, and is in just as good of a situation if not better. I think Davis could be very, very productive in San Diego. None are close t CJ though.

I'll take Rivers of Croyle. I think Davis is actually a better prospect than Bowe. I really think Bowe is overrated in KC

 

[Bri]

My guess would be Todd Lowber

just kidding

Steve Smith

Robert Meachem is already starting to make me compare him to Jackson of NE.

 

[evilempire]

My guess would be Todd Lowberjust kidding Steve SmithRobert Meachem is already starting to make me compare him to Jackson of NE.

For this year I'd rank them CJGonzalezSteve SmithBoweJason HillFor dynasty I'd go CJSmithGonzoMeachemMike WalkerI think Sidney Rice is too small and could turn out to be another Troy Williamson, plus the QB situation in Minnesota is shaky. I like Walker, partly because the Jags other receivers all blow and partly because he seems to have the drive to succeed.Gonzalez will have more opportunity this year than just about anyone not named CJ -- he'll be a starter (albeit at WR3 for the Colts), but he's already gotten high praise from Peyton Manning and he's not afraid to go over the middle.

 

[Franchise Playa]

My guess would be Todd Lowber

just kidding

Steve Smith

Robert Meachem is already starting to make me compare him to Jackson of NE.

For this year I'd rank them CJ

Gonzalez

Steve Smith

Bowe

Jason Hill

For dynasty I'd go

CJ

Smith

Gonzo

Meachem

Mike Walker

I think Sidney Rice is too small and could turn out to be another Troy Williamson, plus the QB situation in Minnesota is shaky. I like Walker, partly because the Jags other receivers all blow and partly because he seems to have the drive to succeed.

Gonzalez will have more opportunity this year than just about anyone not named CJ -- he'll be a starter (albeit at WR3 for the Colts), but he's already gotten high praise from Peyton Manning and he's not afraid to go over the middle.

Sidney Rice is 6'4 200 pounds...

 

[evilempire]

My guess would be Todd Lowber

just kidding

Steve Smith

Robert Meachem is already starting to make me compare him to Jackson of NE.

For this year I'd rank them CJ

Gonzalez

Steve Smith

Bowe

Jason Hill

For dynasty I'd go

CJ

Smith

Gonzo

Meachem

Mike Walker

I think Sidney Rice is too small and could turn out to be another Troy Williamson, plus the QB situation in Minnesota is shaky. I like Walker, partly because the Jags other receivers all blow and partly because he seems to have the drive to succeed.

Gonzalez will have more opportunity this year than just about anyone not named CJ -- he'll be a starter (albeit at WR3 for the Colts), but he's already gotten high praise from Peyton Manning and he's not afraid to go over the middle.

Sidney Rice is 6'4 200 pounds...

I knew that -- I was looking at Bobby Wade's numbers but typing in Rice. Mea culpa. I still think Rice will only be as good as Jackson allows him to be, however.

 

[omahabrad]

I think Gonzales and jarret will have good careers but not like CJ. As for this year Gonzales and Jarret might score more TD's than CJ this year but that's it.

 

[BLOX]

James Jones from Green Bay.

He has caught everything that has been thrown his way so far, runs good routes, and is picking up the offense surprisingly well. He's going to be very, very good. No one wants to give him any credit though because he was "drafted too early." Would he be a better player if he was drafted later, where he was "supposed" to go?

 

[bcr8f]

James Jones from Green Bay.He has caught everything that has been thrown his way so far, runs good routes, and is picking up the offense surprisingly well. He's going to be very, very good. No one wants to give him any credit though because he was "drafted too early." Would he be a better player if he was drafted later, where he was "supposed" to go?

I agree he will outplay many drafted earlier. Unless injured I doubt any will be better than CJ.

 

[perry147]

Paul Williams - VY will throw to someone, and if he gets his head in the game, he's got more talent than most WRs this year

I hope. I really like his chances if he's right.

Another Vote for Paul Williams here. The ability is there - he just needs to be refined. Get him with a good WR coach and he ceiling can be sky high.

 

[JohnnyU]

Paul Williams - VY will throw to someone, and if he gets his head in the game, he's got more talent than most WRs this year

I hope. I really like his chances if he's right.

Another Vote for Paul Williams here. The ability is there - he just needs to be refined. Get him with a good WR coach and he ceiling can be sky high.

Williams is not happy playing offense. He prefers playing CB. Even with his speed, he doesn't use his hands to fight off defenders, and he catches the ball with his body too much. Also, he's not a good route runner. I'm not high on Williams at all. I don't see him wanting to play.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Williams is not happy playing offense. He prefers playing CB.

I'd like to read more about that. Do you have a link?

 

[JohnnyU]

Williams is not happy playing offense. He prefers playing CB.

I'd like to read more about that. Do you have a link?

ESPN Sports Nation

Ted D. (Glastonbury, CT): Why did the Titans choose a safety instead of some WR help? Paul Williams supposedly prefers defense as well, can VY get some immediate help in the later rounds?

"The City Paper from Nashville"

Fresno State WR Williams wraps up Titans' first day of picks

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

April 28, 2007

The Tennessee Titans completed their first day of picks Saturday, selecting wide receiver Paul Williams of Fresno State in the third round.

Williams comes from a football family, as his brother J.D. Williams was a member of the Buffalo Bills' four Super Bowl teams from the early 1990s.

Another brother Curtis Williams was paralyzed making a tackle for Washington in a game against Stanford and died 19 months later.

Paul Williams also is listed as a potential cornerback.

NFL.comNegatives: Frame might be at maximum growth potential … Will compete for jump balls, but needs to play with better consistency and urgency, as he will throttle down when not involved in the play … Can retain plays, but needs several reps to digest … Despite his explosive speed, he seems to go through the motions at times and tends to not use his hands with consistency in attempts to escape the jam … When he glides off the ball, he will sometimes take false steps, which allow the defensive back to recover and mirror him throughout his route progression … Needs to use his weight-room strength with more consistency, as he struggles at times to get a clean release vs. a physical press … Must develop better hand usage to prevent defenders from attacking his body and re-routing him … Must improve his route running, as he tends to make soft angle cuts, drifting too much in his hitch patterns … Lacks precise plant-and-drive agility to come out of his breaks cleanly … Lacks suddenness in transition and, while he gets good elevation, he must improve his timing when competing for jump balls (had 24 of the 127 passes thrown to him deflected by the opposition during his career) … Has great open-field acceleration, but doesn't show great head fakes or hip wiggle to elude, relying more on his strength to break tackles … Shows good blocking stance, getting his hands up quickly when keeping a wide base, but must work harder to sustain and finish … Must play with better focus, as he has been charged with a high amount of costly penalties (five in 2005, three in 2006) … Not a happy camper on offense, and with his range, quickness, long arms and past defensive experience, he could bring better value on the other side of the ball … Despite his long arms, he lets the ball come into his body too much and needs to do a better job catching outside his framework (you can see his reach competing for jump balls, but he short-arms too much when having to operate in tight areas) … Must be more conscious of ball security, as most of his fumbles are the result of poor ball distribution and leaving it exposed after the catch.

Compares To: Ken Lucas, Carolina -- Williams just does not impress as a receiver, as you can plainly see he is not happy on offense … With his previous experience and family bloodlines on defense, he would be better served playing cornerback, but needs to sit down and do a gut-check to see if he has the heart to play the game.

 

[Dave Stauff]

Not to hijack the thread, but another ??? about Paul Williams . . . PFW Draft Guide states he's been diagnosed with clinical depression.

 

[Two Deep]

Not saying Calvin Johnson won't be everything people expect, but the big men scare me. J.J Stokes was dominant in college.......Mike Williams dominant in college...... Keyshawn Johnson nice NFL career but certainly not dominating. The DBs are getting bigger and faster right along with the receivers. Johnson has good straight line speed but the big men usually aren't quick and able to change direction as easily as the somewhat smaller receivers. Looking at film on him he doesn't appear to have great separation from the DBs just a helluva lot more physical. That may change a little against NFL DBs.

 

[duaneok66]

Not saying Calvin Johnson won't be everything people expect, but the big men scare me. J.J Stokes was dominant in college.......Mike Williams dominant in college...... Keyshawn Johnson nice NFL career but certainly not dominating. The DBs are getting bigger and faster right along with the receivers. Johnson has good straight line speed but the big men usually aren't quick and able to change direction as easily as the somewhat smaller receivers. Looking at film on him he doesn't appear to have great separation from the DBs just a helluva lot more physical. That may change a little against NFL DBs.

good post . . .he probably doesnt separate as quickly as Moss, but he's a lot faster than Stokes, Williams, and Key . . .

 

[phthalatemagic]

Williams is not happy playing offense. He prefers playing CB.

I'd like to read more about that. Do you have a link?

ESPN Sports Nation

Ted D. (Glastonbury, CT): Why did the Titans choose a safety instead of some WR help? Paul Williams supposedly prefers defense as well, can VY get some immediate help in the later rounds?

"The City Paper from Nashville"

Fresno State WR Williams wraps up Titans' first day of picks

By Terry McCormick, tmccormick@nashvillecitypaper.com

April 28, 2007

The Tennessee Titans completed their first day of picks Saturday, selecting wide receiver Paul Williams of Fresno State in the third round.

Williams comes from a football family, as his brother J.D. Williams was a member of the Buffalo Bills' four Super Bowl teams from the early 1990s.

Another brother Curtis Williams was paralyzed making a tackle for Washington in a game against Stanford and died 19 months later.

Paul Williams also is listed as a potential cornerback.

NFL.comNegatives: Frame might be at maximum growth potential … Will compete for jump balls, but needs to play with better consistency and urgency, as he will throttle down when not involved in the play … Can retain plays, but needs several reps to digest … Despite his explosive speed, he seems to go through the motions at times and tends to not use his hands with consistency in attempts to escape the jam … When he glides off the ball, he will sometimes take false steps, which allow the defensive back to recover and mirror him throughout his route progression … Needs to use his weight-room strength with more consistency, as he struggles at times to get a clean release vs. a physical press … Must develop better hand usage to prevent defenders from attacking his body and re-routing him … Must improve his route running, as he tends to make soft angle cuts, drifting too much in his hitch patterns … Lacks precise plant-and-drive agility to come out of his breaks cleanly … Lacks suddenness in transition and, while he gets good elevation, he must improve his timing when competing for jump balls (had 24 of the 127 passes thrown to him deflected by the opposition during his career) … Has great open-field acceleration, but doesn't show great head fakes or hip wiggle to elude, relying more on his strength to break tackles … Shows good blocking stance, getting his hands up quickly when keeping a wide base, but must work harder to sustain and finish … Must play with better focus, as he has been charged with a high amount of costly penalties (five in 2005, three in 2006) … Not a happy camper on offense, and with his range, quickness, long arms and past defensive experience, he could bring better value on the other side of the ball … Despite his long arms, he lets the ball come into his body too much and needs to do a better job catching outside his framework (you can see his reach competing for jump balls, but he short-arms too much when having to operate in tight areas) … Must be more conscious of ball security, as most of his fumbles are the result of poor ball distribution and leaving it exposed after the catch.

Compares To: Ken Lucas, Carolina -- Williams just does not impress as a receiver, as you can plainly see he is not happy on offense … With his previous experience and family bloodlines on defense, he would be better served playing cornerback, but needs to sit down and do a gut-check to see if he has the heart to play the game.

I've read all of that, with the exception of Ted D from Glastonbury's quote (which means nothing). I thought you had something more substantial, like a quote from him or a former coach or something.Dave Stauff - Yeah, probably so. I've read he's broken up about his brother's death.

 

[FavreCo]

Not saying Calvin Johnson won't be everything people expect, but the big men scare me. J.J Stokes was dominant in college.......Mike Williams dominant in college...... Keyshawn Johnson nice NFL career but certainly not dominating. The DBs are getting bigger and faster right along with the receivers. Johnson has good straight line speed but the big men usually aren't quick and able to change direction as easily as the somewhat smaller receivers. Looking at film on him he doesn't appear to have great separation from the DBs just a helluva lot more physical. That may change a little against NFL DBs.

Get the F outta here. He's going to destroy you. None of those mentioned can do this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ20h3p3k2Q

 

[OCC]

Not saying Calvin Johnson won't be everything people expect, but the big men scare me. J.J Stokes was dominant in college.......Mike Williams dominant in college...... Keyshawn Johnson nice NFL career but certainly not dominating. The DBs are getting bigger and faster right along with the receivers. Johnson has good straight line speed but the big men usually aren't quick and able to change direction as easily as the somewhat smaller receivers. Looking at film on him he doesn't appear to have great separation from the DBs just a helluva lot more physical. That may change a little against NFL DBs.

How people forget.Charles Rogers dominated college football. Graded out as one of the best WR prospects ever. Was as can miss as you can have for a WR. He was a great teammate, good work ethic, and his only red flag was in regards to drugs (Calvin said he smoked pot). Woops.There is no can't miss. I'm also not sure why Rice is a long shot. He has top 1st round talent, just needs experience. He could be just as good as any WR in the draft, Calvin included. Rice might be the most natural WR of the draft. He's effortless catching the ball, great adjustments to the ball, and can make any catch you need. Situations change. Was LT going to one of the worst teams in the league bad? Peyton? Situations change, talent usually always rises. Rice will be the #1 WR by midseason. I don't see Calvin being the #1 ever, unless they move ROY.

 

[-OZ-]

Paul Williams - VY will throw to someone, and if he gets his head in the game, he's got more talent than most WRs this year

I hope. I really like his chances if he's right.

Another Vote for Paul Williams here. The ability is there - he just needs to be refined. Get him with a good WR coach and he ceiling can be sky high.

Williams is not happy playing offense. He prefers playing CB. Even with his speed, he doesn't use his hands to fight off defenders, and he catches the ball with his body too much. Also, he's not a good route runner. I'm not high on Williams at all. I don't see him wanting to play.

Everything you're writing here is why he has a higher chance of being a bust and why he dropped below the other WRs with comparable talent.Still, if we're looking for WRs with a chance to be better than Calvin, he has a better chance than most. the bust risk is just higher as well.

That chance is probably 5%, whereas the others have a 2% chance.

 

[JohnnyU]

I've read all of that, with the exception of Ted D from Glastonbury's quote (which means nothing). I thought you had something more substantial, like a quote from him or a former coach or something.Dave Stauff - Yeah, probably so. I've read he's broken up about his brother's death.

I'm sure that stuff wasn't made up. He might do ok as a WR, but he does carry a lot of football and non-football risk. He's no better than a 3rd rd flyer in a dynasty rookie draft, and only in leagues with 24 or more roster spots with a 12 team league.

 

[Ed Wood]

I don't really understand your analysis of Bowe and Davis. Talk to LSU fans and they'll tell you that Davis was LSU's most consistent receiver when he was there. Bowe dropped a ton of balls, which he has gotten better at since getting Lasik. Still, I don't understand how you can be so high on Bowe and so low on Davis. Davis is faster than Bowe, has better hands, and is in just as good of a situation if not better. I think Davis could be very, very productive in San Diego. None are close t CJ though.

What analysis? At this point, I'm only going on gut feeling. I think Dwayne Bowe can be another Michael Irvin. I don't know what Davis can be.

 

[sholditch]

wow, this is an easy one: None, ever, barring CJ's death or dismemberment.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I've read all of that, with the exception of Ted D from Glastonbury's quote (which means nothing). I thought you had something more substantial, like a quote from him or a former coach or something.Dave Stauff - Yeah, probably so. I've read he's broken up about his brother's death.

I'm sure that stuff wasn't made up. He might do ok as a WR, but he does carry a lot of football and non-football risk. He's no better than a 3rd rd flyer in a dynasty rookie draft, and only in leagues with 24 or more roster spots with a 12 team league.

I may have worded that poorly - I didn't mean those quotes meant nothing - I just meant it's old news (for me) and I was hoping you were referring to something newer. The Ted D quote is just a fan probably referring to previously written information - he has stated no source so there is little reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Two Deep]

Not saying Calvin Johnson won't be everything people expect, but the big men scare me. J.J Stokes was dominant in college.......Mike Williams dominant in college...... Keyshawn Johnson nice NFL career but certainly not dominating. The DBs are getting bigger and faster right along with the receivers. Johnson has good straight line speed but the big men usually aren't quick and able to change direction as easily as the somewhat smaller receivers. Looking at film on him he doesn't appear to have great separation from the DBs just a helluva lot more physical. That may change a little against NFL DBs.

Get the F outta here. He's going to destroy you. None of those mentioned can do this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ20h3p3k2Q

I watched it and it reinforces my point that he doesn't seem to get much separation and is just taller than the guys covering him. I'm not so sure that he will have the same success in the NFL. I know you love the guy but he may let you down like your last love Big Mike Williams.

 

[FavreCo]

I watched it and it reinforces my point that he doesn't seem to get much separation and is just taller than the guys covering him. I'm not so sure that he will have the same success in the NFL. I know you love the guy but he may let you down like your last love Big Mike Williams.

You should be scared of him. Save the reinforcement for your double layer depends that you will be wearing when Calvin comes to town.If Williams had this guy's attitude, he would have been top 10 easily. He just had no heart.

 

[lions327]

How people forget.

Charles Rogers dominated college football. Graded out as one of the best WR prospects ever. Was as can miss as you can have for a WR. He was a great teammate, good work ethic, and his only red flag was in regards to drugs (Calvin said he smoked pot).

Charles Rogers had a good work ethic?

 

[sholditch]

Just keep in mind that everything he did at college he did with a ######ed midget throwing him the ball. CJ will be the 1st wideout taken in every (smart) draft from 2009 to 2017

 

[tomarken]

Not saying Calvin Johnson won't be everything people expect, but the big men scare me. J.J Stokes was dominant in college.......Mike Williams dominant in college...... Keyshawn Johnson nice NFL career but certainly not dominating. The DBs are getting bigger and faster right along with the receivers. Johnson has good straight line speed but the big men usually aren't quick and able to change direction as easily as the somewhat smaller receivers. Looking at film on him he doesn't appear to have great separation from the DBs just a helluva lot more physical. That may change a little against NFL DBs.

Get the F outta here. He's going to destroy you. None of those mentioned can do this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ20h3p3k2Q

I watched it and it reinforces my point that he doesn't seem to get much separation and is just taller than the guys covering him. I'm not so sure that he will have the same success in the NFL. I know you love the guy but he may let you down like your last love Big Mike Williams.

Half the highlights in that video wouldn't have been completions by NFL rules.

 

[Obie Wan]

Johnson's situation in Detroit has its pros (Roy to take the pressure off, Mad Mike, serviceable QB) and cons (Roy as the first option, good divisional Ds in Chicago and Green Bay, no good backup if Kitna goes down, Furrey also there to compete for catches).

Will anyone in this deep WR class outperform him this year and over the length of their careers? If so, who will it be? Please answer both for this year and dynasty-wise. Obviously, dynasty-wise will kind of be a hunch, this year a little less so.

1.9 Ted Ginn. This year, no way. Dynasty-wise, I don't see how.

1.23 Dwayne Bowe. This year, he might be second to Johnson as far as possibly having a starting slot there for the taking. I think he could outperform Johnson if Croyle and/or Huard can be decent. Not a plethora of wideouts to compete with for catches, but Gonzo and LJ are still there. Dynasty-wise, I also think he's got a shot.

1.27 Robert Meacham. This year, probably not. Already off to a rocky start injury and weight wise. Lot of weapons on that team but there is a starting job there for the taking. Dynasty-wise, not as good a shot as Bowe IMO.

1.30 Craig Davis. Not a big fan. No and no.

1.32 Anthony Gonzalez. Can't argue the QB but too small a piece of the pie this year. Dynasty-wise should be more than serviceable but no Johnson.

2.12 Sidney Rice. This year, no way. Offense will likely be run heavy. Dynasty-wise, an intriguing possibility who has lots of talent.

2.13 Dwayne Jarrett. This year, I have a gut feeling he will if he can secure a starting spot early in the year. Has Steve Smith to draw lots of attention away from him. Dynasty-wise, I think their numbers will be surprisingly close.

2.19 Steve Smith. This year, nope. Dynasty-wise he'll be a nice player but he won't be near Johnson's class.

The rest of the field? I'm not seeing it.

Others thoughts?

Edited to add Anthony Gonzalez.

I don't really understand your analysis of Bowe and Davis. Talk to LSU fans and they'll tell you that Davis was LSU's most consistent receiver when he was there. Bowe dropped a ton of balls, which he has gotten better at since getting Lasik. Still, I don't understand how you can be so high on Bowe and so low on Davis. Davis is faster than Bowe, has better hands, and is in just as good of a situation if not better. I think Davis could be very, very productive in San Diego. None are close t CJ though.

I'll take Rivers of Croyle. I think Davis is actually a better prospect than Bowe. I really think Bowe is overrated in KC

Especially with the Herminator destroying the offense

 

[-OZ-]

How people forget.

Charles Rogers dominated college football. Graded out as one of the best WR prospects ever. Was as can miss as you can have for a WR. He was a great teammate, good work ethic, and his only red flag was in regards to drugs (Calvin said he smoked pot).

Charles Rogers had a good work ethic?

How quickly we forget: http://football.about.com/library/weekly/bl_2003vmock2.htm

1. Houston Texans - Charles Rogers, WR, Michigan St.

The Texans need help on defense, but there will be a lot of under 30 years of age free agents that they can turn to for that. Rogers is Randy Moss with heart which is a scary thing.

The search brings up more "talent" discussion and less "work ethic", but few questioned Rogers in 2003.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i'm sorry if i'm going against the grain here, i do think Calvin can be great but he's not the second coming as freak'n annointed by damn near everyone. i compare him very very similarly to andre johnson, which is very very good but not the greatest thing since sliced bread. i will admit i didn't or haven't seen all 35 or whatever games calvin played. but damn near most of his plays which are generally all big highlight plays are based soley on his athleticism. he does have great tools but there are more polished WR's in this draft class. in terms of needing alot of coaching i put him in same class with tedd ginn jr. one can make the claim that randy is just a athlete and dominated, and randy was far from polished but he could read his man and the DB's to set up his big plays. so many of calvins plays were results of him being bigger/faster/better leaper than his coverage. that differential won't be so big now. from the 10x or so that i got to see him play or so i didn't see him running crisp routes or more than that underneath routes with timing and precision. alot of that can be blamed on reggie ball being a big(or short/inaccurate) piece of #### but he still didn't run the routes or didn't run them crisply to even get the ball. i see it taking Calvin the normal 3 years for WR to fully develop or more, and dwayne bowe being ready sooner and helping the chiefs more initially than calvin helps the lions. bowe doesn't have the speed his teammate had but i give him the edge or push in every other possible category against craig.