White Elephant Rounds 5 and 6 (2 Viewers)

[renesauz]

STEAL TEST:

A PLAYER MAY BE STOLEN IF AND ONLY IF IT PASSES THIS TEST:

1. Is it that owner's last pick taken? If yes....

2. Have I made a pick (of any type...steal, original, or repick) since this player was FIRST DRAFTED FROM THE PLAYER POOL....if no, then....

3. Did I have the opportunity to steal this player before (while I was on the clock)...if no....then

4. Have I ever owned this player before? If no, then...

You can steal him.

Player color codes / key:

Quarterback

Runningback

Wide Receiver

Tight End

Kicker

Defense

STEAL (attempt)

Player Stolen

5.01 Re-Picked Later! (Laveranues Coles first taken here)

5.02 STOLE PICK LATER! (Jeremy Shockey first taken here)

5.03 Fiddles(5): Joey Galloway, TB, WR22

5.04 STOLE PICK LATER! (Todd Heap first taken here.)

5.05 STOLE PICK LATER! (Santana Moss first taken here)

4.09 Reaper(2): Plaxico Burress, NYG, WR19 STEALLaveranues Coles, NYJ, WR21 STEAL

5.06 Reaper(2): Braylon Edwards, CLE, WR24

5.07 Fro(3): LenDale White, CAR, RB27

5.01 STOLE PICK LATER! (Reggie Brown first taken here)

5.08 Ruffrodys05(4): Calvin Johnson, ROOK, WR26

5.09 Pictus Cat(5): Chris Chambers, MIA, WR27

4.05 OldMilwaukee(4): Adrian Peterson, ROOK, RB23 STEAL Jeremy Shockey, NYG, TE4 STEAL

5.10 RE-PICKED LATER (Marion Barber first taken here)

5.02 Radballs stole Todd Heap here..was re-stolen, REPICKED LATER!

5.11 Aaron Rudnicki(4): Chris Cooley, WAS, TE6

5.12 Blue-Kun(4): Michael Vick, ATL, QB?5

5.13 LHUCKS(3): STEAL Todd Heap, TE5 STEAL

5.14 Rudy(3): STEAL Santana Moss, WAS, WR23 STEAL

6.01 Rudy(3): Mark Clayton, BAL, WR28

5.04 Jeff Pasquino(2): Todd Heap, BAL, TE5 STEAL Marion Barber, DAL, RB28 STEAL

6.02 LHUCKS(3): Brandon Jacobs, NYG, RB29

5.02 REPICKED LATER (Alge Crumpler first taken here)

6.03 Repicked Later (Stole Alge Crumpler here)

6.04 Aaron Rudnicki(4): Jerrico Cotchery, NYJ, WR29

5.02 radballs(1): Jeremy Shockey, NYG, TE4 STEAL Todd Heap, BAL, TE5 STEAL Alge Crumpler, ATL, TE6 Jason Witten, DAL, TE7 REPICK (AGAIN!)

5.10 OldMilwaukee(4): Marion Barber, DAL, RB28 Marshawn Lynch, ROOK, RB30 REPICK

6.05 OldMilwaukee(4): Jon Kitna, DET, QB5 PICK STOLEN!

6.06 Pictus Cat(5): Tom Brady, NE, QB6

6.07 Ruffrodys05(3): STEAL Alge Crumpler, ATL, TE6 STEAL PICK STOLEN!

6.08 Fro(1): Matt Hasslebeck, SEA, QB7

6.09 Reaper(2): Fred Taylor, JAC, RB31

6.03 Blue-Kun(3): STEAL Alge Crumpler, ATL, TE6 STEAL L.J. Smith, PHI, TE8 REPICK!

5.05 Duckboy(1): STEAL Reggie Brown, PHI, WR25 STEAL

6.10 Duckboy(1): Terry Glenn, DAL, WR30

6.11 Jeff Pasquino(1): STEAL Alge Crumpler, ATL, TE6 STEAL

6.12 Fiddles(5): Ladell Betts, WAS, RB32

6.13 Radballs(1): Jerious Norwood, ATL, RB33

5.01 renesauz(3): Laveranues Coles, NYJ, WR21 Reggie Brown, PHI, WR25 REPICK STEAL Jon Kitna, DET, QB5

6.14 ReneSauz(2): Greg Jennings, GB, WR31

PREVIOUS ROUND

4.01 Rudy(4): Tony Gonzalez, KC, TE2

4.02 LHUCKS(4): Darrel Jackson, SEA?, WR15

4.03 REPICKED LATER! (Javon Walker first taken here)

4.04 Aaron Rudnicki(4): Donald Driver, GB, WR17

3.05 Duckboy Stole Roy Williams here. (Was Stolen, repicked later)

3.01. renesauz(3): Cedric Benson, CHI, RB19 STEAL Roy Williams, DET, WR10 STEAL

3.04. Jeff Pasquino(3): Anquan Boldin, ARI, WR8 STEAL Roy Williams, DET, WR10 STEAL STEAL Andre Johnson, HOU, WR11 STEAL

4.05 STOLE PICK LATER! (Adrian Peterson first taken here)

4.06 Re-Picked Later(Carson Palmer first taken here)

4.07 Ruffrodys05(4): STEAL Carson Palmer, CIN, QB3 STEAL

4.06 Pictus Cat(5): Carson Palmer, CIN, QB3 Donovan McNabb, PHI, QB4

3.07 Fro(3): Andre Johnson, HOU, WR11 STEAL Javon Walker, DEN, WR16 STEAL

4.08 Fro(3): Donte Stallworth, NE, WR18

3.06 Reaper(3): Roy Williams, DET, WR10 DeAngelo Williams, CAR, RB24 (Repick)

4.09 STOLE LATER! (Plaxico Burress first taken here)

3.05 Duckboy(2): Marvin Harrison, IND, WR9 STEAL Roy Williams, DET, WR10 STEAL STEAL Plaxico Burress, NYG, WR19 STEAL

4.10 Duckboy(2): Ahman Green, HOU, RB25

4.11 Jeff Pasquino(3): Marc Bulger, SL, QB4

4.12 Fiddles(5): Hines Ward, PIT, WR20

4.03 Blue-Kun(4): Javon Walker, DEN, WR16 LaMont Jordan, OAK, RB26 REPICK!

4.13 Radballs(2): STEAL Adrian Peterson, ROOK, RB23 STEAL

4.14 ReneSauz(3): Kellen Winslow, CLE, TE3

LOCKED ROUNDS

1.01. renesauz(5): Brian Westbrook, PHI, RB1

1.02. radballs(5): Peyton Manning, IND, QB1

1.03. Fiddles(5): Travis Henry, DEN, RB2

1.04. Jeff Pasquino(5): Frank Gore, SF, RB3

1.05. STOLE A PICK LATER(Tomlinson first taken here)

1.06. STOLE A PICK LATER(R. Bush first taken here)

1.07. Fro(5): Clinton Portis, WAS, RB6

1.08. Ruffrodys05(5): Larry Johnson, KC, RB7

1.09. Pictus Cat(5): Willie Parker, PIT, RB8

1.10. OldMilwaukee(5):Joseph Addai, IND, RB9

1.11....REPICKED LATER!(Stole Tomlinson here)

1.12....REPICKED LATER!(Steven Jackson first taken here)

1.13. LHUCKS(4):STEAL Steven Jackson, SL, RB10STEAL

1.14. Rudy(4): STEAL L. Tomlinson, SD, RB4 STEAL

2.01. REPICKED LATER!(Shaun Alexander first drafted here)

1.05. Duckboy(4): LaDainian Tomlinson, RB4 STEALReggie Bush, NO, RB5STEAL

2.02 Repicked Later!(Rudi Johnson first drafted here)

1.12. Blue-Kun(5):Steven Jackson, SL, RB10M.Jones-Drew, JAC, RB13 REPICK!

2.03 Blue-Kun(5): Terrel Owens, DAL, WR1

1.11. Aaron Rudnicki(4):STEAL L. Tomlinson, SD, RB4 STEALRonnie Brown, MIA, RB14 REPICK!

2.04 Aaron Rudnicki(4):Chester Taylor, MIN, RB15

2.05 OldMilwaukee(5): Torry Holt, SL, WR2

2.06 Pictus Cat(5): Chad Johnson, CIN, WR3

2.07 Ruffrodys05(5):Edgerrin James, ARI, RB16

2.08 STOLE LATER!(Laurence Maroney first taken here)

1.06. Reaper(4): Reggie Bush, NO, RB5 STEALShaun Alexander, SEA, RB11 STEAL

2.09 STOLE LATER!(Steve Smith first taken here)

2.10 Duckboy(4): Antonio Gates, SD, TE1

2.11 Jeff Pasquino(4): STEAL Steve Smith, CAR, WR4 STEAL

2.12 Fiddles(5): Willis McGahee, BAL, RB18

2.13 Radballs(4): STEAL Laurence Maroney, NE, RB17STEAL

2.14 ReneSauz(4): STEAL Rudi Johnson, CIN, RB12 STEAL

3.01 STOLE PICK LATER!(Cedric Benson first taken here)

3.02 STOLE PICK LATER!(Larry Fitzgerald first taken here)

2.01 Rudy(4): Shaun Alexander, SEA, RB11 Reggie Wayne, IND, WR6 REPICK!

3.03 Fiddles(5): Randy Moss, OAK?, WR7

3.04 STOLE PICK LATER! (Anquan Boldin first taken here)

3.05 STOLE PICK LATER! (Marvin Harrison first taken here)

2.09 Reaper(3): Steve Smith, CAR, WR4 STEAL Larry Fitzgerald, ARI, WR5 STEAL

3.06 Re-Picked Later (Roy Williams first taken here)

3.02 radballs(3): Larry Fitzgerald, ARI, WR5 STEAL Anquan Boldin, ARI, WR8 STEAL

2.08 Fro(4):Laurence Maroney, NE, RB17 STEALCedric Benson, CHI, RB19 STEAL

3.07 STOLE LATER! (Andre Johnson first taken here)

3.08 Ruffrodys05(4): ILLEGAL STEAL ATTEMPTED!(Player pool repick at any time)

3.09 Pictus Cat(5): Carnell "Cadilac" Williams, TB, RB20

3.08 Ruffrodys05(4): T. J. Houshmandzadeh, CIN, WR12 (repick)

3.10 OldMilwaukee(5): Drew Brees, NO, QB2

3.11 Aaron Rudnicki(4): Lee Evans, BUF, WR13

3.12 Blue-Kun(4): STEAL Marvin Harrison, WR9 STEAL

2.02 LHUCKS(3): Rudi Johnson, CIN, RB12 ILLEGAL STEAL ATTEMPTED!Replacement pick: Deuce McCallister, NO, RB21

3.13 LHUCKS(3): Marquis Colston, NO, WR14

3.14 Rudy(4): Thomas Jones, NYJ, RB22

Next rounds prep area:

7.01 renesauz(2): Derrick Mason, BAL, WR32

7.02 radballs

7.03 Fiddles

7.04 Jeff Pasquino

7.05 Duckboy

7.06 Reaper

7.07 Fro

7.08 Ruffrodys05

7.09 Pictus Cat

7.10 OldMilwaukee

7.11 Aaron Rudnicki

7.12 Blue-Kun

7.13 LHUCKS

7.14 Rudy

8.01 Rudy

8.02 LHUCKS

8.03 Blue-Kun

8.04 Aaron Rudnicki

8.05 OldMilwaukee

8.06 Pictus Cat

8.07 Ruffrodys05

8.08 Fro

8.09 Reaper

8.10 Duckboy

8.11 Jeff Pasquino

8.12 Fiddles

8.13 Radballs

8.14 ReneSauz

 

[renesauz]

Just saw the Winslow news. My son has been on here all day, and I kept looking over his shoulder to see if I had a mesage (e-mail). When I finally pushed him off to check the draft, I was many hours OTC, and never bothered to look anywhere else first!

Nothing to do about it now. Hopefully he'll be ok.

 

[Pictus Cat]

Hyperlinks

1.01. renesauz -

1.02. radballs -

1.03. Fiddles -

1.04. Jeff Pasquino -

1.05. Duckboy -

1.06. Reaper -

1.07. Fro -

1.08. Ruffrodys05 -

1.09. Pictus Cat -

1.10. OldMilwaukee -

1.11. Aaron Rudnicki -

1.12. Blue-Kun -

1.13. LHUCKS -

1.14. Rudy -

Was wondering how far Winslow would drop with the news since he could be rock bottom with high reward. Will probably work itself out by season start though.

 

[renesauz]

I hope so, but right now I want to castrate Radballs for not PM-ing me.

 

[LHUCKS]

Just saw the Winslow news. My son has been on here all day, and I kept looking over his shoulder to see if I had a mesage (e-mail). When I finally pushed him off to check the draft, I was many hours OTC, and never bothered to look anywhere else first! :X Nothing to do about it now. Hopefully he'll be ok.

just re-pick, nothing bothers me more than a tainted draft.(which is why the steal penalty is gay,but that is another story)Hurry up and do it before the next guy goes.

 

[renesauz]

:X Just saw the Winslow news. My son has been on here all day, and I kept looking over his shoulder to see if I had a mesage (e-mail). When I finally pushed him off to check the draft, I was many hours OTC, and never bothered to look anywhere else first! :X :X

Nothing to do about it now. Hopefully he'll be ok.

just re-pick, nothing bothers me more than a tainted draft.(which is why the steal penalty is gay,but that is another story)Hurry up and do it before the next guy goes.

I appreciate the thought, but if I did repick, then it would be tainted. Near as I could see, the Winslow news is rumor right now (although it admittedly has a ring of truth). Many guys in these drafts lose a player before the season starts. At least I know about mine while I can still do something about it! Anyone who feels really bad for me can just leave my Coles pick alone.

:X

 

[renesauz]

Updated the steals to reflect the results of the vote. I only updated them in round four though.

 

[radballs]

I hope so, but right now I want to castrate Radballs for not PM-ing me.

Sorry, I thought I was only supposed to PM the guy who I stole from.5.02 Jeremy Shockey, TE, NY Giants

PMing next

 

[Fiddles]

5.03 Joey Galloway WR TB

also colston is spelled wrong in the first post

pming the next guy

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

5.04 Todd Heap

 

[Duckboy]

5.05 WR Santana Moss

 

[Reaper]

4.09 Repl STEAL Laveranues Coles, NYJ

5.06 Braylon Edwards

 

[Fiddles]

4.09 Repl STEAL Laveranues Coles, NYJ5.06 Braylon Edwards

why do you hate renesauz?

 

[LHUCKS]

Remember that when you steal a player, you have to send out two different PMs, one to the guy you stole from and one to the guy that's next up.

Let's get this ##### moving, I want to finish it before the PDSLs start.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Lendale White

 

[Fiddles]

Remember that when you steal a player, you have to send out two different PMs, one to the guy you stole from and one to the guy that's next up.Let's get this ##### moving, I want to finish it before the PDSLs start.

not a chance at this pace

 

[LHUCKS]

Remember that when you steal a player, you have to send out two different PMs, one to the guy you stole from and one to the guy that's next up.Let's get this ##### moving, I want to finish it before the PDSLs start.

not a chance at this pace

right, which is why I'm trying to kick these guys in the ###.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I'm all for speeding this along - but I think the last few days lagged from those taking the weekend off.

That said, I want to be in Round 12-13 this weekend and kill it next week.

We're in Round 5 (sorta). Two rounds (of 14 picks) is doable in a day.

 

[Fiddles]

I'm all for speeding this along - but I think the last few days lagged from those taking the weekend off.That said, I want to be in Round 12-13 this weekend and kill it next week.We're in Round 5 (sorta). Two rounds (of 14 picks) is doable in a day.

28 in a day? weve only had 6 so far today

 

[renesauz]

4.09 Repl STEAL Laveranues Coles, NYJ5.06 Braylon Edwards

why do you hate renesauz?

Is it hate to covet someone elses player?

 

[renesauz]

Repick: Reggie Brown, WR Phi

 

[Blue-Kun]

I think we're all beginning to see the limitations of this draft in the practical sense in a non-live setting (Or at least if not done via a long ### time-limit).

 

[renesauz]

There's only one person ever on the clock at a time. It shouldn't be that much sloower then any other surviver draft.

 

[LHUCKS]

There's only one person ever on the clock at a time. It shouldn't be that much sloower then any other surviver draft.

 

[Blue-Kun]

There's only one person ever on the clock at a time. It shouldn't be that much sloower then any other surviver draft.

Let me rephrase then. This is slow.

 

[LHUCKS]

When does Roddy time out?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

When does Roddy time out?

last pick was Fro at 1:05 Central. 8 hours gives Roddy until 9:05 Central...a little over 2 more hours

 

[Domination]

Ruffrodys05 as per phone call.

5.08 WR Calvin Johnson, rookie

PM sent

 

[Pictus Cat]

5.09 Chris Chambers, MIA, WR

edit to add

White Elephant should go

faster

1 for guys on the clock because they should want to hurry up and secure their picks.

2 because timing of makeup picks for getting robbed requires you to be around at that point, so there should be more people hanging around

longer

1. Because 5 steals equates to five extra rounds

Makeup picks for steals running into the same players regular picks should not slow it because the guy should be around for his regular pick

This does seem like it could be very interesting in a live format, if it seems that no draft position is too strong.

Also, taking Coles and the Browns main receiver was subtle and cold.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

4.05 STEAL Jeremey Shockey

5.10 Marion Barber

pm'g next

 

[radballs]

4.05 STEAL Jeremey Shockey

I can hear Old Mil right now thinking,"Pay back's a mother ####er #####!"

 

[radballs]

To replace my 5.02,

Steal Todd Heap. PMing JP.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

4.05 STEAL Jeremey Shockey

I can hear Old Mil right now thinking,"Pay back's a mother ####er #####!"

Your the only low down dirty thief I know!

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

5.11 TE Chris Cooley

 

[Blue-Kun]

5.12 - Michael Vick

 

[renesauz]

I have a question about which players are eligible for me to steal...I can't steal Shockey because the same owner made a pick after that, is that correct?

Correct...it isn't his last pick.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Yes. You could try.......but then I would know two thieves!

 

[LHUCKS]

5.13 - Steal Todd Heap

 

[radballs]

Couple questions for clarification:

1. After Shockey was stolen from me, there was really no incentive for me to make my replacement pick until just before the end of the turn, correct? In other words, if I had waited until now to make my Heap steal now after LHUCKS, I'd only have to be hoping to get by one more pick right?

2. Now at this point, I can wait for the turn to be made and then can make a pick from any of those round 6 players for my 5.2 pick replacement, right?

3. If I don't make a replacement pick, do I make two picks at the 6.13 or am I just out that 5.2 pick?

Thanks for any help. By the way, I hope I'm not on the clock but I want to get this right before I make any additional mistakes regarding the timing of when I make my picks.

 

[radballs]

By the way, am I or is Rudy on the clock? Thanks, starting to get a bit confused.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Couple questions for clarification:1. After Shockey was stolen from me, there was really no incentive for me to make my replacement pick until just before the end of the turn, correct? In other words, if I had waited until now to make my Heap steal now after LHUCKS, I'd only have to be hoping to get by one more pick right?2. Now at this point, I can wait for the turn to be made and then can make a pick from any of those round 6 players for my 5.2 pick replacement, right?3. If I don't make a replacement pick, do I make two picks at the 6.13 or am I just out that 5.2 pick?Thanks for any help. By the way, I hope I'm not on the clock but I want to get this right before I make any additional mistakes regarding the timing of when I make my picks.

I don't know about all this bs.....I am just going to steal your next pick!

 

[radballs]

Couple questions for clarification:1. After Shockey was stolen from me, there was really no incentive for me to make my replacement pick until just before the end of the turn, correct? In other words, if I had waited until now to make my Heap steal now after LHUCKS, I'd only have to be hoping to get by one more pick right?2. Now at this point, I can wait for the turn to be made and then can make a pick from any of those round 6 players for my 5.2 pick replacement, right?3. If I don't make a replacement pick, do I make two picks at the 6.13 or am I just out that 5.2 pick?Thanks for any help. By the way, I hope I'm not on the clock but I want to get this right before I make any additional mistakes regarding the timing of when I make my picks.

I don't know about all this bs.....I am just going to steal your next pick!

 

[LHUCKS]

By the way, am I or is Rudy on the clock? Thanks, starting to get a bit confused.

As far as I know there's no clock, but you don't want to wait too long because picks will get locked in.

 

[LHUCKS]

Couple questions for clarification:1. After Shockey was stolen from me, there was really no incentive for me to make my replacement pick until just before the end of the turn, correct? In other words, if I had waited until now to make my Heap steal now after LHUCKS, I'd only have to be hoping to get by one more pick right?

a. you might have more picks locked behind you, thus limiting your pool of players to select fromb. the trick is to pick the best guy that wont be stolenc. You couldn't have stolen heap from me because

2. Now at this point, I can wait for the turn to be made and then can make a pick from any of those round 6 players for my 5.2 pick replacement, right?

Use the three tests at the top of this thread, there may be players you can't steal in round 6.

3. If I don't make a replacement pick, do I make two picks at the 6.13 or am I just out that 5.2 pick?

You can wait as long as you want to make your replacement pick, but you'd be putting yourself at a disadvantage if you wait too long. Players would start to fail the tests and that would take them off the board for you.

 

[radballs]

By the way, am I or is Rudy on the clock? Thanks, starting to get a bit confused.

As far as I know there's no clock, but you don't want to wait too long because picks will get locked in.

Yeah, I think I get that. It's just that I didn't want anyone other than the two TEs this round. And I don't want to burn my 3rd steal in the same round if Rudy happens to resteal from me. I'm just trying to understand why I was so stupid as to steal Heap when I did when I could have done it right after you.To me this is a slight flaw with this kind of draft. There can be huge advantages to being on the site at certain times, namely right before the turn is made. I still like it. I'm just trying to wrap my brain around some of the issues I'm seeing with it still.

 

[radballs]

Thanks for the help LHUCKS. Gotta hit the sack. Catch you all in the morning.

 

[Rudy]

STEAL 5.14 Santana Moss WR Redskins STEAL

6.01 Mark Clayton WR Ravens

 

[renesauz]

Couple questions for clarification:1. After Shockey was stolen from me, there was really no incentive for me to make my replacement pick until just before the end of the turn, correct? In other words, if I had waited until now to make my Heap steal now after LHUCKS, I'd only have to be hoping to get by one more pick right?2. Now at this point, I can wait for the turn to be made and then can make a pick from any of those round 6 players for my 5.2 pick replacement, right?3. If I don't make a replacement pick, do I make two picks at the 6.13 or am I just out that 5.2 pick?Thanks for any help. By the way, I hope I'm not on the clock but I want to get this right before I make any additional mistakes regarding the timing of when I make my picks.

1: That isn't necessarily true. Generally, there will only be one or two "safe" spots to steal any individual player. IN the case of Heap, there never would have been a safe spot, assuming LHUCKS had stolen him from Jeff. There's several different scenarios for steals that we've already seen in this draft. Right before your next pick is always "safe", but doesn't always give the best round value. Some of the strategy for normal drafts also still applys. IE: Stealing Heap was fairly safe for LHUCKS because Rudy already had a high ranked tight end, and was unlikely to spend another high draft pick on the position. 2: You can re-pick, or re-steal at any time, but all the steal rules still apply, and you are down to one steal. Choose carefully where to exercise it, because after that, you'll be at everyone else's mercy.3: Yes, you could choose to wait until your next turn (the 6th rounder) and pick two straight. The first you choose would then be unstealable. OR...if you want to conserve that last steal, then pick from the player pool ASAP every time. If someone steals the player, then at least they burned a steal. Also, if they stole him, chances are you wouldn't have gotten him at your next pick anyway. EG: I re-picked Reggie Brown at a spot where I could not protect him from being stolen. BUT...looking around at players in the ADP area, I didn't see anybody that I would have wanted to use a steal on. If Brown gets stolen from me, I made someone use a steal on a player they may have drafted from the pool had I not already done so.This draft is much more then player rankings/your perception of player calue VS. their ADP. It's just as much (or more) about draft strategy, and outwitting your fellow competitors.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

5.04 STEAL Marion Barber

 

[LHUCKS]

6.02 - Brandon Jacobs