Who am I? (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game.

I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high.

Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.

I averaged 4.4 YPC last year.

I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.

My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles.

Who am I?

 

[Multiple Scores]

Jerome Harrison?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Harrison?

 

[Otis]

By the way, the " who am I" part is rhetorical here. It's an easy question. But you get my point.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

You are Jerome Harrison.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

*BUZZ* Leon Washington!

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Crap. :(

 

[Otis]

Crap. :(

:(

 

[daveandken]

Anyone not know that it's Jerome Harrison???

 

[shnikies]

Crap. :(

The soon to be backup running back for the Cleveland Browns!?!?!?!

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Anyone not know that it's Jerome Harrison???

I thought for a second that it was Fred Jackson.

 

[identikit]

Same guy who's fumbled 3 times so far this preseason?

 

[benm3218]

As someone pointed out in another thread, Harrison got an incredible number of carries in those games to do what he did. Since no one can imagine him getting that many carries a game, no one really expects much from him. Makes sense no?

 

[Sweet Love]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

 

[Sweet Love]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

 

[Otis]

Here is what FBG says about Hardesty in today's news writeup -- notice whose name isn't even mentioned:

Hardesty has a great skill set and could become one of the best backs in the National Football League. However, he's been banged up throughout his college career and has already had nagging injuries in his short time as a pro. If he can't stay healthy the Browns may move forward with a guy like Peyton Hillis as their primary back in 2010.

 

[Otis]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

Hard to argue with production and wins. If he can keep rushing for hundreds of yards and the team keeps winning, does it matter if he cant pick up blocks? Sometimes we overthink things.

 

[Sweet Love]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

 

[Otis]

As someone pointed out in another thread, Harrison got an incredible number of carries in those games to do what he did. Since no one can imagine him getting that many carries a game, no one really expects much from him. Makes sense no?

I wasn't making a big deal about his yardage totals in those games. Ok, so he wont rush for 180 every week, but given the stats above, why not give it a shot and see what happens if you're the coach? Start him for a few weeks, against all defenses good and bad, get him 25 carries per game, and see what happens. Based on what he has done in the past (yes, against weaker defenses and on more carries, but those are the only real samples we have), you might just end up pleasantly surprised. If Hardesty remains hurt and Harrison starts running all over the league again and the team gets wins, do you bench him again when Hardesty comes back?

 

[Sweet Love]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

Hard to argue with production and wins. If he can keep rushing for hundreds of yards and the team keeps winning, does it matter if he cant pick up blocks? Sometimes we overthink things.

It is not "we" who I am concerned about. There is just something about him that does not get the respect of coaches/management. Tiki Barber did not get that respect from Fassel, but once Coughlin came to town it changed. When literall three regimes in a row do not respect his accomplishments, it makes me wonder what else there is to the story. Would you agree?

 

[benm3218]

As someone pointed out in another thread, Harrison got an incredible number of carries in those games to do what he did. Since no one can imagine him getting that many carries a game, no one really expects much from him. Makes sense no?

I wasn't making a big deal about his yardage totals in those games. Ok, so he wont rush for 180 every week, but given the stats above, why not give it a shot and see what happens if you're the coach? Start him for a few weeks, against all defenses good and bad, get him 25 carries per game, and see what happens. Based on what he has done in the past (yes, against weaker defenses and on more carries, but those are the only real samples we have), you might just end up pleasantly surprised. If Hardesty remains hurt and Harrison starts running all over the league again and the team gets wins, do you bench him again when Hardesty comes back?

Well I think the coach realizes his YPC was very low and that he did that in those games due to a very heavy workload... Look, I am not bashing you, I just am saying the coaches see him more than you and I do. So if they dont want to play him they are probably right...

 

[Otis]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game.

I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high.

Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.

I averaged 4.4 YPC last year.

I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.

My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles.

Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

Hard to argue with production and wins. If he can keep rushing for hundreds of yards and the team keeps winning, does it matter if he cant pick up blocks? Sometimes we overthink things.

It is not "we" who I am concerned about. There is just something about him that does not get the respect of coaches/management. Tiki Barber did not get that respect from Fassel, but once Coughlin came to town it changed. When literall three regimes in a row do not respect his accomplishments, it makes me wonder what else there is to the story. Would you agree?

Precisely my point. Still, eventually, if he repeats what he did last year, he will eventually get that respect, because in the end results are all that matter.

 

[VaTerp]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

Hard to argue with production and wins. If he can keep rushing for hundreds of yards and the team keeps winning, does it matter if he cant pick up blocks? Sometimes we overthink things.

I don't think you can use such a small sample as a real sign of anything. Those 3 wins were the last 3 games of the year against bad football teams and Harrison got an insane number of carries. The game against KC was great but the word fluke comes to mind.If Hardesty can stay healthy (BIG if) he is the RB to own in Cleveland. Harrison could be good for a spot start here or there and is definitely worth a late round pick but he is not someone you can rely on even as a flex and that is why he gets little respect in fantasy circles.

 

[Otis]

As someone pointed out in another thread, Harrison got an incredible number of carries in those games to do what he did. Since no one can imagine him getting that many carries a game, no one really expects much from him. Makes sense no?

I wasn't making a big deal about his yardage totals in those games. Ok, so he wont rush for 180 every week, but given the stats above, why not give it a shot and see what happens if you're the coach? Start him for a few weeks, against all defenses good and bad, get him 25 carries per game, and see what happens. Based on what he has done in the past (yes, against weaker defenses and on more carries, but those are the only real samples we have), you might just end up pleasantly surprised. If Hardesty remains hurt and Harrison starts running all over the league again and the team gets wins, do you bench him again when Hardesty comes back?

Well I think the coach realizes his YPC was very low

Except that isn't true. He averaged 5 YPC over that span and 4.4 over his seven starts.

 

[Otis]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game. I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high. Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.I averaged 4.4 YPC last year. I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles. Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

Hard to argue with production and wins. If he can keep rushing for hundreds of yards and the team keeps winning, does it matter if he cant pick up blocks? Sometimes we overthink things.

I don't think you can use such a small sample as a real sign of anything. Those 3 wins were the last 3 games of the year against bad football teams and Harrison got an insane number of carries. The game against KC was great but the word fluke comes to mind.If Hardesty can stay healthy (BIG if) he is the RB to own in Cleveland. Harrison could be good for a spot start here or there and is definitely worth a late round pick but he is not someone you can rely on even as a flex and that is why he gets little respect in fantasy circles.

It is a small sample but also the only sample. There is no sample indicating failure when he is sufficiently involved.

 

[Otis]

The Browns went 4-3 in his starts. The rest of the season, they went 1-8.

 

[shnikies]

Here are some numbers for everyone

3 The number of fumbles he's had in the preseason (the only stat that matters for a RB in the preseason)

10 On a scale of 1-10 how much he is hated by Mangini

3 The percent chance of him starting come week 4 if Hardesty is healthy which I know is a big "if"

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

In my four pro seasons, it wasn't until 2009 that I was ever given double digit carries in any game.

I was never given more than 7 carries in any game in 2008, though my YPC was high.

Last year, every time I was given at least 20 carries, I rushed for over 100 yards. There were only four such games. I scored 5TDs in those games, and my team won three of them. The game it lost, it lost by only three points.

I averaged 4.4 YPC last year.

I rushed for 286 yards and 3 TDs in one of my team's wins last year.

My team still took a RB with a high draft selection, and I still get little respect in fantasy circles.

Who am I?

It also took me four years to learn how to pick up a block.I have been through two regimes, three if you count our new President and still no one wants to put me on the field.

Hard to argue with production and wins. If he can keep rushing for hundreds of yards and the team keeps winning, does it matter if he cant pick up blocks? Sometimes we overthink things.

It is not "we" who I am concerned about. There is just something about him that does not get the respect of coaches/management. Tiki Barber did not get that respect from Fassel, but once Coughlin came to town it changed. When literall three regimes in a row do not respect his accomplishments, it makes me wonder what else there is to the story. Would you agree?

Precisely my point. Still, eventually, if he repeats what he did last year, he will eventually get that respect, because in the end results are all that matter.

Totally agree. In preseason, we tend to focus a lot of attention on who is undervalued because they are budding talents and had not had previous opportunities to shine. We also tend to target risk/reward guys who we think can come out of nowhere and explode.I also like to target the other side of the undervalued equation -- guys who have performed very well in the past, but struggled in a few games or in preseason, and are getting beat up in media and fantasy circles, causing their value to drop.

While the evidence may point to Harrison potentially not being able to put the pieces back together in time, there is also the chance that he's just having a crappy preseason, and he come back to his pervious levels of performance once the games matter. Given the evidence, there's more downside risk, but I'm not sleeping on Harrison. His production last year is not to be ignored.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Prorated, his three starts give a season with about 565 carries and 3000 yards. So that's what I'm projecting him for. That puts him 2nd on my list behind Rashard Mendenhall.

 

[inca911]

Prorated, his three starts give a season with about 565 carries and 3000 yards. So that's what I'm projecting him for. That puts him 2nd on my list behind Rashard Mendenhall.

I don't care who ya are. Dat right der's funny!

 

[Otis]

Here are some numbers for everyone

3 The number of fumbles he's had in the preseason (the only stat that matters for a RB in the preseason)

10 On a scale of 1-10 how much he is hated by Mangini

3 The percent chance of him starting come week 4 if Hardesty is healthy which I know is a big "if"

He fumbled twice last year on around 230 touches. I'm not sure I can address your other numbers.

 

[Otis]

The Browns went 4-3 in his starts. The rest of the season, they went 1-8.

I know I'm not that smart, but I understand that winning is better than losing, and i can do basic math sometimes. How can Mangini ignore this? It would plague me all offseason...

 

[eoMMan]

I don't like him at all. As others have stated, the coach and the team don't have much confidence in him. The team sucks so there won't be a lot of scoring opportunities and I don't see the team turning it around anytime soon. It just all adds up to a bad situation.

 

[VaTerp]

It is a small sample but also the only sample. There is no sample indicating failure when he is sufficiently involved.

Obviously there is a reason he only has such a small sample after 4 years in the league and a reason why he has only been "sufficiently" involved on such a limited basis.

The Browns went 4-3 in his starts. The rest of the season, they went 1-8.

3 of those 4 wins were against bad, banged up teams at the end of the season. And the other was against Pittsburgh where Harrison had 9 touches for 19 yards.Look, if you really like Harrison and believe he is undervalued then more power to you. Grab him late in drafts and reap the benefits. I'm not sold and apparently neither is the Cleveland brass.It's great that he had success with the small window of opportunity he's had but despite his success the coaches and managment are not inclined to give him more opportunities. That should tell you something. Much like Ladell Betts, success over a small window is not an indication of future success. Sometimes it is what it is. Success in a small window and nothing more.

 

[OPS]

I don't have a subcription to ProFootballFocus.com so I can't look it up anymore, but last year it was free and you could access their positional rankings for RBs or any other position including linemen. They look at every play and grade the player's performance on a range from +2 to -2 and it includes blocking, running, receiving, penalties, etc. They tally the total points for each player and then rank them.

If I remember correctly, even near the end of the year after his big rushing games, Harrison was still a very lowly rated RB. He was still a horrible blocker last year and that is what has kept him off the field during his career. To those that say "who cares about blocking?", it only takes one missed block for a sack to occur and more likely than not the drive is done. I will concede however that there is anectdotal evidence that Harrison was effective based on the Brown's 4-3 record when he started.

Interestingly enough, I think LT Joe Thomas was the highest rated tackle in the NFL and center Alex Mack was near the top of the league also. LG Eric Steinbach was one of the worst guards however, despite his reputation as a solid guard that helps solidify the left side of the line.

 

[eoMMan]

Jerome Harrison-RB- Browns Aug. 30 - 11:05 am et In addition to three preseason fumbles, Jerome Harrison is averaging just 3.1 yards on 23 carries.Harrison has had a prime opportunity to put some distance between himself and Montario Hardesty. Instead, he's left the door wide open for the rookie. It's a mistake to draft Harrison expecting him to operate as the Browns' clear lead back. He's far from it. We'd much rather draft Hardesty at his 10th round ADP as opposed to Harrison in Round 7.Source: Canton Repository Related: Montario Hardesty

 

[Otis]

Jerome Harrison-RB- Browns Aug. 30 - 11:05 am et In addition to three preseason fumbles, Jerome Harrison is averaging just 3.1 yards on 23 carries.Harrison has had a prime opportunity to put some distance between himself and Montario Hardesty. Instead, he's left the door wide open for the rookie. It's a mistake to draft Harrison expecting him to operate as the Browns' clear lead back. He's far from it. We'd much rather draft Hardesty at his 10th round ADP as opposed to Harrison in Round 7.Source: Canton Repository Related: Montario Hardesty

Give me his 23 preseason carries over numerous real game starts. Wait no, the opposite of that.

 

[shnikies]

Here are some numbers for everyone

3 The number of fumbles he's had in the preseason (the only stat that matters for a RB in the preseason)

10 On a scale of 1-10 how much he is hated by Mangini

3 The percent chance of him starting come week 4 if Hardesty is healthy which I know is a big "if"

He fumbled twice last year on around 230 touches. I'm not sure I can address your other numbers.

Slaton fumbled 3 times in 318 touches in 2008 and 7 times in 175 touches last year. I didn't know people could only be born with ball security issues and couldn't develop them. My point was fumbling + hated + more talented running back on team = not starting.

 

[joffer]

Jonathan Stewart?

 

[identikit]

Always nice to see Otis pop his collar about something football-related for a change.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

... fumbles ... (the only stat that matters for a RB in the preseason)

Link?

10 On a scale of 1-10 how much he is hated by Mangini

Link?

3 The percent chance of him starting come week 4 if Hardesty is healthy which I know is a big "if"

Link?Other than that, your analysis seems sound.

 

[GregR_2]

It is a small sample but also the only sample. There is no sample indicating failure when he is sufficiently involved.

Obviously there is a reason he only has such a small sample after 4 years in the league and a reason why he has only been "sufficiently" involved on such a limited basis.

The Browns went 4-3 in his starts. The rest of the season, they went 1-8.

3 of those 4 wins were against bad, banged up teams at the end of the season. And the other was against Pittsburgh where Harrison had 9 touches for 19 yards.Look, if you really like Harrison and believe he is undervalued then more power to you. Grab him late in drafts and reap the benefits. I'm not sold and apparently neither is the Cleveland brass.It's great that he had success with the small window of opportunity he's had but despite his success the coaches and managment are not inclined to give him more opportunities. That should tell you something. Much like Ladell Betts, success over a small window is not an indication of future success. Sometimes it is what it is. Success in a small window and nothing more.

I concur when it comes to the statement that tries to tie the wins and losses to Harrison starting or not. The Browns were 4-2 against teams with losing records and 1-9 against teams with winning records. And as stated above, the win against the team with a winning record (Steelers), Harrison started and it seems he was completely ineffective.Also in regard to this:

...Well I think the coach realizes his YPC was very low

Except that isn't true. He averaged 5 YPC over that span and 4.4 over his seven starts.

One thing that jumps out at me is that his yards per carry IS low throughout the season, except for one tremendous game that skews his final averages. He has a 34 carry game at 8.4 ypc, a 5 carry game at 5.2 ypc, and a 29 carry game at 4.2 yards per carry.Other than that, his other 13 games are all below 4 yards per carry. 5 of his 7 starts are below 4 yards per carry. His carries are so skewed from a normal distribution that I think I'd be talking about his mode average rather than his mean average if my goal was to give a true reflection of how he did rather than sell a side of an argument. He looks like he was a 3.8 yards per carry back last year who had 1 tremendous game with a huge workload against a weak run defense.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Here is what FBG says about Hardesty in today's news writeup -- notice whose name isn't even mentioned:

Hardesty has a great skill set and could become one of the best backs in the National Football League. However, he's been banged up throughout his college career and has already had nagging injuries in his short time as a pro. If he can't stay healthy the Browns may move forward with a guy like Peyton Hillis as their primary back in 2010.

I thought that was odd myself.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

One thing that jumps out at me is that his yards per carry IS low throughout the season, except for one tremendous game that skews his final averages. He has a 34 carry game at 8.4 ypc, a 5 carry game at 5.2 ypc, and a 29 carry game at 4.2 yards per carry.Other than that, his other 13 games are all below 4 yards per carry. 5 of his 7 starts are below 4 yards per carry. His carries are so skewed from a normal distribution that I think I'd be talking about his mode average rather than his mean average if my goal was to give a true reflection of how he did rather than sell a side of an argument. He looks like he was a 3.8 yards per carry back last year who had 1 tremendous game with a huge workload against a weak run defense.

But I agree with this.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

James Harrison says Kyle Orton "got what he had coming"

Posted by Mike Florio on August 30, 2010 1:04 PM ET

When a bank robber gets away with the money, the last thing he should do is call the bank the next day, identify himself, and say, "You're damn right I took the money."

A similar concept applies when a football player apparently gets away with a fairly blatant case of unnecessary roughness.

After recovering a fumble, which eventually was ruled not a fumble, in Sunday night's game between the Steelers and the Broncos, linebacker James Harrison encountered Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton. Orton, not cognizant of the line between bravery and lunacy, tried to tackle Harrison. So Harrison unloaded on Orton. Hard.

"He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train," Harrison said after the game, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. "And the train wasn't coming off the track."

If Harrison had said nothing more, we think he'd be fine. It was a rough play, but no one told Orton to get in the way of the train. But then Harrison added a sentence or two that creates the impression that he was trying to injure Orton.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score," Harrison said. "So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming."

Even though Orton wasn't throwing the ball or otherwise within the protections that apply to quarterbacks, the rules prevent specific instances of unnecessary roughness. Despite the fact that no flag was thrown, Harrison's word could be enough to trigger a letter from the league office informing him that he's getting what he has coming, as in money coming out of his check.

 

[shnikies]

... fumbles ... (the only stat that matters for a RB in the preseason)

Link?

10 On a scale of 1-10 how much he is hated by Mangini

Link?

3 The percent chance of him starting come week 4 if Hardesty is healthy which I know is a big "if"

Link?Other than that, your analysis seems sound.

Link to what? My opinion? There are none. Where are the links to yours?

 

[Otis]

James Harrison says Kyle Orton "got what he had coming"

Posted by Mike Florio on August 30, 2010 1:04 PM ET

When a bank robber gets away with the money, the last thing he should do is call the bank the next day, identify himself, and say, "You're damn right I took the money."

A similar concept applies when a football player apparently gets away with a fairly blatant case of unnecessary roughness.

After recovering a fumble, which eventually was ruled not a fumble, in Sunday night's game between the Steelers and the Broncos, linebacker James Harrison encountered Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton. Orton, not cognizant of the line between bravery and lunacy, tried to tackle Harrison. So Harrison unloaded on Orton. Hard.

"He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train," Harrison said after the game, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. "And the train wasn't coming off the track."

If Harrison had said nothing more, we think he'd be fine. It was a rough play, but no one told Orton to get in the way of the train. But then Harrison added a sentence or two that creates the impression that he was trying to injure Orton.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score," Harrison said. "So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming."

Even though Orton wasn't throwing the ball or otherwise within the protections that apply to quarterbacks, the rules prevent specific instances of unnecessary roughness. Despite the fact that no flag was thrown, Harrison's word could be enough to trigger a letter from the league office informing him that he's getting what he has coming, as in money coming out of his check.

Got anything on the one from the Beatles?

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Got anything on the one from the Beatles?

How about the uber tan guy?

 

[Otis]

I concur when it comes to the statement that tries to tie the wins and losses to Harrison starting or not. The Browns were 4-2 against teams with losing records and 1-9 against teams with winning records. And as stated above, the win against the team with a winning record (Steelers), Harrison started and it seems he was completely ineffective.Also in regard to this:

...Well I think the coach realizes his YPC was very low

Except that isn't true. He averaged 5 YPC over that span and 4.4 over his seven starts.

One thing that jumps out at me is that his yards per carry IS low throughout the season, except for one tremendous game that skews his final averages. He has a 34 carry game at 8.4 ypc, a 5 carry game at 5.2 ypc, and a 29 carry game at 4.2 yards per carry.Other than that, his other 13 games are all below 4 yards per carry. 5 of his 7 starts are below 4 yards per carry. His carries are so skewed from a normal distribution that I think I'd be talking about his mode average rather than his mean average if my goal was to give a true reflection of how he did rather than sell a side of an argument. He looks like he was a 3.8 yards per carry back last year who had 1 tremendous game with a huge workload against a weak run defense.

Haven't we been doing this long enough that we know better than to play this game of take out the long run/big game/other to show the guy isn't very good?Also, CLE plays KC just like last year. Are we all taking off from fantasy stuff that week?

 

[GregR_2]

I concur when it comes to the statement that tries to tie the wins and losses to Harrison starting or not. The Browns were 4-2 against teams with losing records and 1-9 against teams with winning records. And as stated above, the win against the team with a winning record (Steelers), Harrison started and it seems he was completely ineffective.Also in regard to this:

...Well I think the coach realizes his YPC was very low

Except that isn't true. He averaged 5 YPC over that span and 4.4 over his seven starts.

One thing that jumps out at me is that his yards per carry IS low throughout the season, except for one tremendous game that skews his final averages. He has a 34 carry game at 8.4 ypc, a 5 carry game at 5.2 ypc, and a 29 carry game at 4.2 yards per carry.Other than that, his other 13 games are all below 4 yards per carry. 5 of his 7 starts are below 4 yards per carry. His carries are so skewed from a normal distribution that I think I'd be talking about his mode average rather than his mean average if my goal was to give a true reflection of how he did rather than sell a side of an argument. He looks like he was a 3.8 yards per carry back last year who had 1 tremendous game with a huge workload against a weak run defense.

Haven't we been doing this long enough that we know better than to play this game of take out the long run/big game/other to show the guy isn't very good?Also, CLE plays KC just like last year. Are we all taking off from fantasy stuff that week?

I'm surprised you'd try to equate the two. I pointed out he had a near record setting event which seems completely at odds with his performance otherwise. To the point you would probably never expect it to recur in his career again.Do you really think that equates with removing long plays or multi touchdown games that do recur and which are likely to happen again?There's a big difference between pointing out how out of whack that one game is, compared to someone trying to remove, say, Andre Johnson's games over 150 yards receiving... when he has a proven history of being able to reach that benchmark a couple of times a season. If David Anderson for the Texans did the same thing someone would be right to advocate treating it as an outlier that isn't likely to repeat again.Edit to add: "Also, CLE plays KC just like last year. Are we all taking off from fantasy stuff that week?" Again, my argument is that he has what appears to be a fluke result which is heavily biasing his mean average. If I think it's a fluke then why would him playing KC again this year matter? If it's a fluke, I don't expect a repeat of nearly 40 carries at over double his normal ypc even if he plays the same team again.