Who Are The Minority Candidates This Year? (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

Jerry Gray - Redskins DB Coach is a candidate.

With who?

Detroit

Gray has done a good job for Washington and I'd hate to see him leave. Link to Lions wanting to interview Gray

 

[Da Guru]

Jerry Gray - Redskins DB Coach is a candidate.

With who?

Detroit

Gray has done a good job for Washington and I'd hate to see him leave. Link to Lions wanting to interview Gray

Martin Mayhew the Lions new GM is black.

 

[Da Guru]

Norm Chow. It's about time we had an Asian.Any Jewish candidates? Any deaf people? A coach with a seeing eye dog? I guess the only place where the blind get an even chance is as a ref.

I think SF should have a gay coach.

 

[Chaka]

Absolutely ridiculous that the NFL needs to force teams to consider the color of a guys skin when interviewing candidates.

Asking for one interview is crossing the line?If teams would consider minority candidates the same way they do minority players there would be no need.

The problem is that if such discrimination really does exist, this rule is worthless as a method to counter it. And if said discrimination does NOT exist, then the rule is an affront to both qualified and unqualified candidates regardless of the color of their skin.

Agreed.

Completely disagree. If discrimination exists, the best way to counter it is to increase interaction between the groups. Racist attitudes apply to a group as a whole and when you meet a person as an individual, many of them go away. Mandating interviews does have an impact on it. Also, talking to a person about a job that you would not ordinarily consider him for changes the impression of the person. All positives for the minority coach.It may not help every minority coach and it may not change opinions of every owner, but every little bit helps.

But what about the double standard, and negative impact upon a non minority coach it creates? Is that fair, and if so, why?Example...Mike Singletary replaced a fired head coach during the season. Mike Singletary was handed his job as 49ers head coach based on his performance as interim head coach. The NFL didn't make a peep about this decision. No other candidates, minority or not, were allotted the opportunity to interview for this position.Jim Haslett also replaced a fired head coach during the season. Haslett was told by St Louis brass that if he finished his stint as interim head coach .500 or better, then he would have the interim label stripped and be signed to a contract as head coach of the Rams. The NFL cried foul, said they wouldn't be adhering to the Rooney Rule. In turn, the Rams could not guarantee, or contractually promise Haslett the position.How is this fair to Jim Haslett, who was put in a position to earn his job, based on performace, but told he could only be placed into a pool of candidates regardless of how he did? Meanwhile, another coach was given basically the same opportunity and didn't have to still interview for his job?How is this fair to the Rams, who aren't allowed to hire internally based on performance when another organization was allowed to?How is this fair to the Rams, who had to risk Haslett exceeding expectations and making himself a commodity on the open market. This would have left the Rams in the position to have to match offers from other franchises if they presented themselves to Haslett?How is this fair to any other candidate, minority or not, that was qualified for the SF job? For what's right with the Rooney Rule, there seems to be a whole lot wrong with it too.

There is absolutely nothing in the Rooney rule that prevents the Rams from offering Haslett the coaching job. I don't see the problem.

Sure the Rams can hire him but the Rams are now exposed to a potentially much higher price tag if there is competition for Haslett on the open market. Is it fair that they may have to pay several million dollars more for someone they could have locked in for much less money?

How is this fair to the Rams, who had to risk Haslett exceeding expectations and making himself a commodity on the open market. This would have left the Rams in the position to have to match offers from other franchises if they presented themselves to Haslett?

 

[Chaka]

I agree that it is idiotic that Singletary can be hired and Haslett can't be before interviews solely due to the color of their skin. However, the Rooney Rule was needed and probably still is needed and hopefully won't be needed soon. The rule could be rewritten to always force a certain number of interviews that must include at least one white candidate and one minority candidate. This would make it more race neutral.

A mandate that all teams must interview a minimum of three candidates, with at least one being a minority, before they hire a new coach would be more fair in my opinion.

 

[Mimo]

Todd Bowles - Dolphins Assistant will interview with the Lions. He is also an African-American candidate.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...S0101/812310428

Also don't underestimate the impact Mayhew will have on the Lions. Personally, I think he will do great as the GM and set a standard with the Lions the why Joe Dumars did with the Pistons. Dumars commands respect in NBA circles because of his approach with his players, he is a straight shooter plain and simple. Mayhew will do the same. I wouldn't be the least surprised if Mayhew has not talked to Dumars within the past just to get a feel for the overall task at hand.

 

[Da Guru]

Todd Bowles - Dolphins Assistant will interview with the Lions. He is also an African-American candidate.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...S0101/812310428

Also don't underestimate the impact Mayhew will have on the Lions. Personally, I think he will do great as the GM and set a standard with the Lions the why Joe Dumars did with the Pistons. Dumars commands respect in NBA circles because of his approach with his players, he is a straight shooter plain and simple. Mayhew will do the same. I wouldn't be the least surprised if Mayhew has not talked to Dumars within the past just to get a feel for the overall task at hand.

Mayhew has already been in Detroit for 8 years.Most people around the Lions say Mayhew is aloof and not a people person. The total opposite of Joe Dumars.

The word is that most of the players were very suprised that Tom Lewand and Mayhew were not only still employed, but promoted.

The good thing is after going 0-16 if the Lions win 2 games it will he a huge improvement.

 

[fatness]

Todd Bowles - Dolphins Assistant will interview with the Lions. He is also an African-American candidate.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...S0101/812310428

Also don't underestimate the impact Mayhew will have on the Lions.

Mayhew and Bowles both played for the Redskin secondary. Jerry Gray currently coaches the Redskin secondary. Kind of interesting, and a pleasant change from the days of George Preston Marshall.

 

[Marvelous]

Todd Bowles - Dolphins Assistant will interview with the Lions. He is also an African-American candidate.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...S0101/812310428

Also don't underestimate the impact Mayhew will have on the Lions.

Mayhew and Bowles both played for the Redskin secondary. Jerry Gray currently coaches the Redskin secondary. Kind of interesting, and a pleasant change from the days of George Preston Marshall.

It's pretty fascinating all these ex-Redskins in coaching and front offices. Millen also played for the Redskins. A higher up in Green Bay (name escapes me) also played for the Redskins.

 

[Marvelous]

Absolutely ridiculous that the NFL needs to force teams to consider the color of a guys skin when interviewing candidates.

Asking for one interview is crossing the line?If teams would consider minority candidates the same way they do minority players there would be no need.

The problem is that if such discrimination really does exist, this rule is worthless as a method to counter it. And if said discrimination does NOT exist, then the rule is an affront to both qualified and unqualified candidates regardless of the color of their skin.

Agreed.

Completely disagree. If discrimination exists, the best way to counter it is to increase interaction between the groups. Racist attitudes apply to a group as a whole and when you meet a person as an individual, many of them go away. Mandating interviews does have an impact on it. Also, talking to a person about a job that you would not ordinarily consider him for changes the impression of the person. All positives for the minority coach.It may not help every minority coach and it may not change opinions of every owner, but every little bit helps.

But what about the double standard, and negative impact upon a non minority coach it creates? Is that fair, and if so, why?Example...

Mike Singletary replaced a fired head coach during the season. Mike Singletary was handed his job as 49ers head coach based on his performance as interim head coach. The NFL didn't make a peep about this decision. No other candidates, minority or not, were allotted the opportunity to interview for this position.

Jim Haslett also replaced a fired head coach during the season. Haslett was told by St Louis brass that if he finished his stint as interim head coach .500 or better, then he would have the interim label stripped and be signed to a contract as head coach of the Rams. The NFL cried foul, said they wouldn't be adhering to the Rooney Rule. In turn, the Rams could not guarantee, or contractually promise Haslett the position.

How is this fair to Jim Haslett, who was put in a position to earn his job, based on performace, but told he could only be placed into a pool of candidates regardless of how he did? Meanwhile, another coach was given basically the same opportunity and didn't have to still interview for his job?

How is this fair to the Rams, who aren't allowed to hire internally based on performance when another organization was allowed to?

How is this fair to the Rams, who had to risk Haslett exceeding expectations and making himself a commodity on the open market. This would have left the Rams in the position to have to match offers from other franchises if they presented themselves to Haslett?

How is this fair to any other candidate, minority or not, that was qualified for the SF job?

For what's right with the Rooney Rule, there seems to be a whole lot wrong with it too.

There is absolutely nothing in the Rooney rule that prevents the Rams from offering Haslett the coaching job. I don't see the problem.

Ummmm......http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/10/25/nfl-voi...deal-with-rams/

NFL Voids Jim Haslett's Contract with Rams

Posted Oct 25th 2008 3:35PM by Bruce Ciskie (author feed)

Filed under: Rams, NFC West, NFL Coaching

The Rooney Rule is well-intentioned.

It's designed to assure that minority coaching candidates get their fair shot at jobs. It's a jab at the "good ol' boy" network, as you can't just hire some random retread who has a .450 win percentage but led a team to a 9-7 season once. Well, you can hire that guy, but not before you go through an actual interview process.

Anyway, the St. Louis Rams tried to -- in essence -- sneak past the Rooney Rule. They fired Scott Linehan, named defensive coordinator Jim Haslett the interim coach, and then gave Haslett a contract that calls for him to be named the full-time head coach automatically if he leads the Rams to six wins.

PFT reported that this provision caused Dan Rooney, owner of the Steelers and namesake of the rule, to lob a phone call to the league office.

Now, CBSSports.com's Pete Prisco (via PFT) reports the league has voided Haslett's contract.

The NFL office has notified the Rams that the contract that would have made Haslett the full-time coach after this season if he won six games was not in accordance with the Rooney Rule that the league has in place for hiring practices.

The Rooney Rule is aimed at getting more minorities interviewed for jobs, which everybody thinks is a good thing.

But the question here is this: How can the Seattle Seahawks and Indianapolis Colts name their successors without adhering to the Rooney Rule, while Haslett and the Rams are being subject to it?

Prisco's question is a valid one.

And I don't buy the explanation that the Jim Mora (Seattle) and Jim Caldwell (Indianapolis) hires happened during the offseason. The teams involved clearly didn't adhere to the rules regarding the interview process.

Obviously, the league wouldn't raise a stink about Caldwell's hire, as he is a minority. However, I'm very surprised they allowed Mora's hire to go through, especially now that they have blocked Haslett from being automatically hired as the "permanent" head coach.

It's something the league needs to address, because the Rooney Rule is useless unless it's going to be consistently -- not arbitrarily -- applied.

If you don't see a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you.And the hiring of Singletary only compounds it.

I can't speak to the application of the Rooney rule in the Mora and Caldwell designations. The 9ers waited until after the season to hire Singletary. They did not have to intereview anyone else because Singletary is a minority. I don't really have a problem with that. The Rams can hire Haslett if they want to. They just have to afford an interview to a minority. That minority may not get the job, but will benefit from having his name mentioned as a candidate. Bottom line, however, is that if the Rams want Haslett for their coach, there is no reason they can't have him.

In the meantime, minority coaching in the NFL is approaching respectable levels. I still don't see the problem.

The Rams are free to hire Haslett, but they need to go thorugh the process. One item that Limp Ditka may not realize, there are lots of benefits of going through the interview process even if you don't get the job. It positions you and prepares you for the next interview. For instance, the Redskins interviewed Schwartz and Spagolu (sp?) last year. If they interveiw again this year, they rate to interview better than before since they have done it once. And if they left favorable impressions with Snyder and Cerrato, other owners in the league will hear about it and are more likely to look favorably at the coach. So interviewing is a positive, whether you are black or not.

 

[fatness]

Todd Bowles - Dolphins Assistant will interview with the Lions. He is also an African-American candidate.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...S0101/812310428

Also don't underestimate the impact Mayhew will have on the Lions.

Mayhew and Bowles both played for the Redskin secondary. Jerry Gray currently coaches the Redskin secondary. Kind of interesting, and a pleasant change from the days of George Preston Marshall.

It's pretty fascinating all these ex-Redskins in coaching and front offices. Millen also played for the Redskins. A higher up in Green Bay (name escapes me) also played for the Redskins.

The higher-up in Green Bay is Mark Murphy I believe.More news on Jerry Gray: Link

Gray a Wanted Man in Houston?

Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray confirmed that, while he loves his job here, he is very interested in being a defensive coordinator again. He will interview with Detroit for its head coaching job, and while it isn't certain that he will land a head coaching gig, he seems very likely to get strong consideration for the job of defensive coordinator in Houston.

Several players believe that position is very intriguing to Gray (a former Houston Oiler with ties to that area), and expect him to leave the Redskins for a promotion. Safeties coach Steve Jackson has strong ties to members of the Texans' front office, and with their defense being reshaped, they might make a play for Jackson, too.

 

[ThaPenguin]

Said Tomlin: "I think it's given me an opportunity to present myself maybe in some situations that I wouldn't have had."

It sounds like Tomlin intends on following the trail that Mike Singletary has blazed.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Raheem Morris (new Bucs DC) has been talked about as a potential HC candidate.

The Broncos have requested permission to interview Bucs defensive coordinator Raheem Morris about their head-coaching vacancy.Only recently promoted to coordinator, Morris served as Tampa Bay's DBs coach in 2008. He has drawn comparisons to Mike Tomlin and a young Tony Dungy. Morris is considered one of the brightest young coaches in the NFL.Source: St. Petersburg TimesRelated: Broncos

 

[renesauz]

I agree that it is idiotic that Singletary can be hired and Haslett can't be before interviews solely due to the color of their skin. However, the Rooney Rule was needed and probably still is needed and hopefully won't be needed soon. The rule could be rewritten to always force a certain number of interviews that must include at least one white candidate and one minority candidate. This would make it more race neutral.

A mandate that all teams must interview a minimum of three candidates, with at least one being a minority, before they hire a new coach would be more fair in my opinion.

As long as you incluuded a clause that the rule does not apply to mid-season interim coaches. It's beyond idiotic that a guy already on staff couldn't be named before a black guy was interviewed.You don't fix racial discrimination by institutionalizing reverse discrimination.

 

[Chaka]

I agree that it is idiotic that Singletary can be hired and Haslett can't be before interviews solely due to the color of their skin. However, the Rooney Rule was needed and probably still is needed and hopefully won't be needed soon. The rule could be rewritten to always force a certain number of interviews that must include at least one white candidate and one minority candidate. This would make it more race neutral.

A mandate that all teams must interview a minimum of three candidates, with at least one being a minority, before they hire a new coach would be more fair in my opinion.

As long as you incluuded a clause that the rule does not apply to mid-season interim coaches. It's beyond idiotic that a guy already on staff couldn't be named before a black guy was interviewed.You don't fix racial discrimination by institutionalizing reverse discrimination.

So long as all interim head coaches are treated the same way I don't care if they are forced to interview after the season.

 

[monessen]

Exactly what has Cowboys WR coach Ray Sherman accomplished to warrant being interviewed for a head coaching position? Check his portfolio. The guy has bounced from team to team without distinction. When given a position with responsibility, he failed miserably when he was the Steelers OC despite Chan Gailey succeeding with the same crew the prior year. The way I read this is that Sherman is simply a mediocre candidate at best, but his being a minority enables a team to hire someone else----the head coach they truly want. This is another way the Rooney rule can be subverted.

There are worthy minority candidates, but having Sherman come in for an interview simply allows an organization to meet the minority stipulation without serious consideration given.

 

[treat88]

To answer the original question: Who cares?

Until organizations are able to simply hire competent qualified individuals without respect to skin color, the whole process is self defeating.

 

[Da Guru]

To answer the original question: Who cares?Until organizations are able to simply hire competent qualified individuals without respect to skin color, the whole process is self defeating.

How true...