Who are the WRs for the Chargers? (1 Viewer)

[BuckeyeChaos]

Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd are free agents. Will they be back?

Then you have guys like Nanee, Buster Davis, Crayton, etc..

This is obviously a potent offense and whomever is catching balls from Mr. Rivers should do well.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

IIRC, Vjax was tendered the Franchise teag before the CBA expired and he said he would sign it and play.

I think Floyd is gone if Vjax comes back.

Nanee is gone, FA.

Buster Davis is a likely cut.

Vincent Brown is a Rookie with glue hands.

Patrick Crayton will be in the mix

Seyi Ajirotutu will be in the mix as well.

 

[grantsa4]

Rumour is as well that the Chargers were interested in trading for Steve Smith - all rumours of course, so it could be Smith and VJax with Crayton in the slot and Brown/Seyi at the 4 for now

 

[saintfool]

air coryell!

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

Rumour is as well that the Chargers were interested in trading for Steve Smith - all rumours of course, so it could be Smith and VJax with Crayton in the slot and Brown/Seyi at the 4 for now

rumors here in Charlotte are that Steve Smith has apparently bonded a bit with new coach Rivera and new QB Cam Newton and is leaning towards staying.

 

[grantsa4]

As a VJax and Brown owner, I hope that they just get closer and closer and that he stays in Carolina

 

[D.J.]

As a VJax and Brown owner, I hope that they just get closer and closer and that he stays in Carolina

Cheers to that!

 

[Phantom Knight]

IIRC, Vjax was tendered the Franchise teag before the CBA expired and he said he would sign it and play.

I think Floyd is gone if Vjax comes back.

Nanee is gone, FA.

Buster Davis is a likely cut.

Vincent Brown is a Rookie with glue hands.

Patrick Crayton will be in the mix

Seyi Ajirotutu will be in the mix as well.

Seeing "VJax, Crayton, Seyi, VBrown" in writing like that makes V Brown look -

[*]VERY attractive in a keeper/dynasty league

[*]like the perfect late round flier in a redraft

 

[Tau837]

First off, I don't see A.J. Smith trading for Steve Smith. Steve Smith's contract has two years remaining: $7 million in 2011 and $7.75 million in 2012. Based on how A.J. handled Jackson last year, I think it's safe to conclude that he does not feel he needs to pay that kind of money for a WR, not to mention that he would have to give something up in a trade in addition to paying those salaries. And this stance was arguably validated given that the Chargers were #2 in passing yards despite a ton of missed games from Gates, Jackson, Floyd, Naanee, Davis, and Crayton. If Steve Smith was a free agent who could be signed for a lesser price, that might be a different story, but I assume there is no chance of him being released. So I don't see him playing for the Chargers.

As a Chargers fan, I'd rather see A.J. give in and sign Jackson to a new deal than to trade something to Carolina for Steve Smith and pay him $15M over the next two years.

Speaking of Jackson, I think the franchise tag on him means nothing at this point. If the season is played under no CBA, I'd be shocked if there are tags. If a new CBA is reached, it could change or eliminate the CBA. And even if it sticks, he could be traded. IMO A.J. Smith made it clear last year that he didn't feel he needed Jackson enough to pay him big money, I see no reason to think he is now willing to pay Jackson $9M or whatever the franchise number would be. Or to sign him to a long term deal at the numbers Jackson wants.

So I think Jackson will be gone. It seems that most Chargers fans think he will be back, so I am in the minority on that.

That is largely why I think they will resign Floyd. Floyd is quite good for the Chargers offense, he just has trouble staying healthy. At 30 and with that injury history, I assume there won't be a big market for him, meaning the Chargers can resign him for a reasonable price.

I think the Chargers will let Naanee walk and will cut Davis, who has been a huge disappointment.

As a result of all that, I believe the WRs will end up like this:

WR1 Floyd

WR2 Ajirotutu

WR3 Crayton

WR4 Brown

 

[Dragon1952]

Boy, that's an exciting WR corp I hope you're wrong.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Boy, that's an exciting WR corp I hope you're wrong.

well they got Gates.And Im willing to bet there is some kind of Franchise tag in the next CBA, Vjax will be back

 

[Tau837]

Boy, that's an exciting WR corp I hope you're wrong.

If that receiving corps stays healthy, it's a lot better than the receiving corps they had last year, when the Chargers were #2 in passing yards. IMO Floyd is underrated. He played 11 games last year and had 717/6 receiving. Project that to 16 games and you get 1043/9, which would be 158.3 fantasy points (FBG scoring). To put that in perspective, Desean Jackson was WR15 last season with 158 points. I'm not comparing him to Jackson, just saying he performed well when healthy.Crayton played well last year and will have a year in Norv's system under his belt... he should be fine as WR3. Ajirotutu was solid in limited opportunities and will have his first year in the NFL under his belt... I think he could emerge as a solid player. However, it probably doesn't matter too much beyond WR1... Gates is the top target, and the Chargers throw a lot to their RBs, plus Rivers is good at spreading the ball around. There typically isn't much fantasy value in Chargers WRs beyond WR1.

 

[Jason Wood]

JWB has some interesting thoughts. I disagree completely about the franchise tag though. Even if a new CBA "concedes" a change to the franchise tag, I think there's zero chance the owners would allow it to go into effect immediately, so those players tagged already will absolutely be held to the tag for this offseason. If I'm right about that, Jackson will be a Charger. Beyond that, it's a collection of guys that will look a lot better than they otherwise would have because Philip Rivers is so insanely good.

 

[Tau837]

JWB has some interesting thoughts. I disagree completely about the franchise tag though. Even if a new CBA "concedes" a change to the franchise tag, I think there's zero chance the owners would allow it to go into effect immediately, so those players tagged already will absolutely be held to the tag for this offseason. If I'm right about that, Jackson will be a Charger. Beyond that, it's a collection of guys that will look a lot better than they otherwise would have because Philip Rivers is so insanely good.

So you completely discount the possibility of Jackson being franchised and traded?I would be happy for Jackson to stay, so I hope I'm wrong.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

JWB has some interesting thoughts. I disagree completely about the franchise tag though. Even if a new CBA "concedes" a change to the franchise tag, I think there's zero chance the owners would allow it to go into effect immediately, so those players tagged already will absolutely be held to the tag for this offseason. If I'm right about that, Jackson will be a Charger. Beyond that, it's a collection of guys that will look a lot better than they otherwise would have because Philip Rivers is so insanely good.

So you completely discount the possibility of Jackson being franchised and traded?I would be happy for Jackson to stay, so I hope I'm wrong.

Teams didnt meet AJ's demands for a trade with Vjax last year. What makes you think he will lower those demands?

 

[Tau837]

JWB has some interesting thoughts. I disagree completely about the franchise tag though. Even if a new CBA "concedes" a change to the franchise tag, I think there's zero chance the owners would allow it to go into effect immediately, so those players tagged already will absolutely be held to the tag for this offseason. If I'm right about that, Jackson will be a Charger. Beyond that, it's a collection of guys that will look a lot better than they otherwise would have because Philip Rivers is so insanely good.

So you completely discount the possibility of Jackson being franchised and traded?I would be happy for Jackson to stay, so I hope I'm wrong.

Teams didnt meet AJ's demands for a trade with Vjax last year. What makes you think he will lower those demands?

I wouldn't assume that he would have to lower his demands to complete a trade. This year, teams have had an entire offseason to contemplate Jackson being available via trade; last year, it was a situation that developed shortly before the season.I also wouldn't assume that Smith would not change his demands in any way. IMO it didn't work out very well for the Chargers last year, which could provide him with a bit more motivation to get a deal done.Finally, I wouldn't assume that if there is a franchise tag, it will be exactly the same. Perhaps it will change in some way that will provide more motivation for A.J. to trade him rather than keep him as a franchise player.

 

[Jason Wood]

JWB has some interesting thoughts. I disagree completely about the franchise tag though. Even if a new CBA "concedes" a change to the franchise tag, I think there's zero chance the owners would allow it to go into effect immediately, so those players tagged already will absolutely be held to the tag for this offseason. If I'm right about that, Jackson will be a Charger. Beyond that, it's a collection of guys that will look a lot better than they otherwise would have because Philip Rivers is so insanely good.

So you completely discount the possibility of Jackson being franchised and traded?I would be happy for Jackson to stay, so I hope I'm wrong.

I don't completely discount anything, especially in this crazy year. But I expect Jackson will remain in San Diego for the 2011 season.

 

[craxie]

If there is a new CBA, VJ will play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind (Franchise tag sticks, AJ not interested in trading, VJ not interested in sitting out).

If they go to work without a CBA (no union), VJ will NOT play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind.

If there is an abbreviated offseason, that works against players switching teams.

That said AJ has been VERY reluctant to offer any deal to anyone, so unless he has a sudden change of heart (and maybe with a new CBA he does), Floyd is gone.

This is a bit of a gamble, but I believe they view Vincent Brown as a better Floyd, which makes Floyd VERY expendable. Of course there are huge questions about how soon he'll play and if he'll actually be that good.

Naanee is obviously gone.

Davis may not be as gone as some think. He's still under contract for relatively cheap and if they lose Floyd and Naanee, they have to keep some experience.

Crayton is obviously staying and will play a lot, but he has the most to lose if SS arrives.

 

[_lurker_]

If they go to work without a CBA (no union), VJ will NOT play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind.

why?

 

[Tau837]

If there is a new CBA, VJ will play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind (Franchise tag sticks, AJ not interested in trading, VJ not interested in sitting out).If they go to work without a CBA (no union), VJ will NOT play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind.If there is an abbreviated offseason, that works against players switching teams.

The only part of this I might question is whether or not A.J. would be interested in trading.

That said AJ has been VERY reluctant to offer any deal to anyone, so unless he has a sudden change of heart (and maybe with a new CBA he does), Floyd is gone.

IMO this is dependent on the VJax question. If VJax is gone, I think they bring Floyd back. If VJax stays, I agree Floyd is likely gone. I don't see A.J. moving forward without both of them; IMO he will want at least one tall WR with deep speed.

This is a bit of a gamble, but I believe they view Vincent Brown as a better Floyd, which makes Floyd VERY expendable. Of course there are huge questions about how soon he'll play and if he'll actually be that good.

This makes no sense to me. Brown is nothing like Floyd. Floyd is a much bigger target and is faster as well. Floyd is a good deep threat; Brown will likely be a possession receiver. I don't think Brown has the speed to be the WR1 in the Chargers offense. He doesn't have the height the Chargers prefer either. I think his ceiling for the Chargers is likely WR2, but I think there is very little chance that he fills that role in 2011. The abbreviated offseason/preseason will hurt him more than any other WR on the roster. And it seems unlikely he will be as good as Ajirotutu or Crayton this year.

Naanee is obviously gone.

Agreed.

Davis may not be as gone as some think. He's still under contract for relatively cheap and if they lose Floyd and Naanee, they have to keep some experience.

Ajirotutu and Crayton both showed more last year than Davis ever has. He is under contract for one more year at $840K. Cheap is in the eye of the beholder... is $840K for no contribution truly cheap? If they have Jackson or Floyd plus Ajirotutu, Crayton, and Brown on the roster, I'd much rather see them give the 5th spot to Banks or Goodman than Davis.

Crayton is obviously staying and will play a lot, but he has the most to lose if SS arrives.

As I posted earlier, I don't see Steve Smith coming to the Chargers. If VJax stays under the franchise tag, do you really see A.J. paying VJax $9M and trading something for Smith and then paying him $7M? And if VJax goes, even if they obtained Smith, why would Crayton then have anything to lose?

 

[craxie]

If they go to work without a CBA (no union), VJ will NOT play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind.

why?

AJ will not give VJ a long-term deal and won't have a franchise tag to hold him

 

[craxie]

The only part of this I might question is whether or not A.J. would be interested in trading.

AJ really likes VJ the player, he just won't give VJ the DUI a long-term deal.He certainly would trade if a great (Julio Jones-esqe) deal was offered, but otherwise, he's very happy to have him on the team.And if no one was going to offer what AJ wanted last year, no one's going to do it this year when he's a year older and pre-season is likely to be significantly shortened

IMO this is dependent on the VJax question. If VJax is gone, I think they bring Floyd back. If VJax stays, I agree Floyd is likely gone. I don't see A.J. moving forward without both of them;

I disagree. There will be no tie to VJ. He'll put a (not-very-high) value on Floyd, and if someone else (Da Bears) is willing to go higher, oh well.

IMO he will want at least one tall WR with deep speed.

I don't know that tall is as much a requirement as speed. Hello Steve Smith!And actually if Davis can stay healthy (haha), he could very well turn into the deep threat they want.

This makes no sense to me. Brown is nothing like Floyd. Floyd is a much bigger target and is faster as well. Floyd is a good deep threat; Brown will likely be a possession receiver.

Floyd may be tall and fast, but he just isn't that GOOD.The knock on him is that he always struggles to get open for whatever reason.True Brown and Floyd aren't similar types of receivers, but I still think they believe Brown is simply BETTER.Whether they are justified in that belief remains to be seen . . .

Ajirotutu and Crayton both showed more last year than Davis ever has.

Ajirotutu: 262 yards in 10 gamesDavis: 259 yards in 7 gamesPatrick Crayton is 31 and no threat to Davis

He is under contract for one more year at $840K. Cheap is in the eye of the beholder... is $840K for no contribution truly cheap? If they have Jackson or Floyd plus Ajirotutu, Crayton, and Brown on the roster, I'd much rather see them give the 5th spot to Banks or Goodman than Davis.

Banks? Really?When healthy Davis was clearly the best of SD's 2nd tier receivers and has the most potential

do you really see A.J. paying VJax $9M and trading something for Smith and then paying him $7M?

Reportedly a trade for Smith would involve a contract renegotiation

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If the Chargers trade for Smith, it will definitely involve a contract renegotiation.

 

[Tau837]

The only part of this I might question is whether or not A.J. would be interested in trading.

AJ really likes VJ the player, he just won't give VJ the DUI a long-term deal.

Then A.J. should have handled things differently last year.

Floyd may be tall and fast, but he just isn't that GOOD.The knock on him is that he always struggles to get open for whatever reason.True Brown and Floyd aren't similar types of receivers, but I still think they believe Brown is simply BETTER.Whether they are justified in that belief remains to be seen . . .

I have never heard this knock on Floyd. Do you have any links that show this? IMO the knock on Floyd has been that he has had trouble staying healthy. But he has produced when healthy. In the past three seasons, he has had the following: 109/1958/11 on 190 targets. I hope Brown can produce like that, but I seriously doubt he can do it this year, if ever.

Ajirotutu and Crayton both showed more last year than Davis ever has.

Ajirotutu: 262 yards in 10 gamesDavis: 259 yards in 7 games

Ajirotutu: 13/262/2 (20.2 ypr) and 0 drops on 23 targetsDavis: 21/259/1 (12.3 ypr) and 4 drops on 41 targetsAjirotutu had a higher catch percentage and first down percentage. Ajirotutu has already had a 100+ yard receiving game and a game with multiple TDs; Davis has never accomplished either.

do you really see A.J. paying VJax $9M and trading something for Smith and then paying him $7M?

Reportedly a trade for Smith would involve a contract renegotiation

I just don't see the incentive for Smith to renegotiate to an acceptable price. I don't see him wanting a trade badly enough to sacrifice millions of dollars, which is what it would take.

 

[craxie]

Then A.J. should have handled things differently last year.

agree 110%still furious with AJ about thatarrogant piece of #### just ASSumed he could get through the season without VJ and then have him around for the inevitable playoff runoops

I have never heard this knock on Floyd. Do you have any links that show this?

can't point to an article, but it's been a common, if not 'complaint', then 'acknowledged limitation' of Floyd for years on the forumshttp://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=62015&page=4[QUOTE='BoltFanBo]Floyd has the best hands and make acrobat catches but mostly because he has to. When match against a #1 db he lacks speed and route running to get the separation.
[/QUOTE]http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?p=2710560[QUOTE='Renok]He cant run a route to save his life.His touchdown catch he walked one step and caught it.Every catch looks GREAT but thats only because he cannot get the separation VJ gets.
[/QUOTE]http://forums.chargers.com/archive/index.php/t-68188.html[QUOTE='LightsOut4ever]Floyd is practically a jump ball specialist. Tall, good jump, great hands. IIRC the reason (/"word around the camp") that he didn't get much playing time in 2006 or whenever (when the first "oooo! floyd should start!" was), was because he couldn't get much separation-- and that's a killer for WRs.
[/QUOTE]http://forums.chargers.com/archive/index.php/t-54924.html[QUOTE='charger1_sj]According to Acee, Floyd fell out of favor because he did not get good seperation and made mistakes running his routes
[/QUOTE]

I just don't see the incentive for Smith to renegotiate to an acceptable price. I don't see him wanting a trade badly enough to sacrifice millions of dollars, which is what it would take.

Don't think money is that big of an issue to him at this point. Depends on how badly he's tired of losing.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

AJ wouldn't have tagged VJ if he weren't willing to pay the tag price.

He's willing to pay UFAs a lot more than he's willing to pay RFAs.

 

[massraider]

I never bought the Steve Smith storyline. Just because he made a statement that made it sound like he'd like to be out there, doesn't mean the Chargers are interested.

It was pretty clear that Rivers can move the ball with just about anyone out there.

Looking at the stats for the Chargers, Floyd has the worst completion percentage of the WRs, aside from Gary Banks(I dunno who that is either). He DID have the highest per catch average.

If you're looking for a guy to start opposite VJax, the sneaky play would be Ajirotutu. The REAL sneaky play would be Crayton, who did a great job with his limited looks, and you could argue got caught in a numbers crunch in Dallas.

 

[_lurker_]

If they go to work without a CBA (no union), VJ will NOT play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind.

why?

AJ will not give VJ a long-term deal and won't have a franchise tag to hold him

won't the franchise tag still be available under the 2010 rules? Without a new CBA, there will still be rules and I think the 2006 CBA estabilished what the rules would be when that CBA expired.Who knows the 'default' CBA rules well? Is there a tag?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If they go to work without a CBA (no union), VJ will NOT play for the Chargers, no doubt in my mind.

why?

AJ will not give VJ a long-term deal and won't have a franchise tag to hold him

won't the franchise tag still be available under the 2010 rules? Without a new CBA, there will still be rules and I think the 2006 CBA estabilished what the rules would be when that CBA expired.Who knows the 'default' CBA rules well? Is there a tag?

exactly, hard to say what 2011 would be like without a CBA, but if the court doesnt lift the lockout there will be a CBA of somekind

 

[craxie]

won't the franchise tag still be available under the 2010 rules? Without a new CBA, there will still be rules and I think the 2006 CBA estabilished what the rules would be when that CBA expired.Who knows the 'default' CBA rules well? Is there a tag?

Without a CBA to shield them, ANY restrictions on player movement are unlikely to stand-up to anti-trust scrutiny.And with treble damages, it would behoove the league to play it safe.

 

[_lurker_]

Putting the speculation aside, does anyone know if the league and NFLPA agreed to a "default" CBA that would be in place once the current CBA expired back in March? I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that there are default rules to go by in the event that there wasn't a new CBA in place.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

First off, I don't see A.J. Smith trading for Steve Smith. Steve Smith's contract has two years remaining: $7 million in 2011 and $7.75 million in 2012. Based on how A.J. handled Jackson last year, I think it's safe to conclude that he does not feel he needs to pay that kind of money for a WR, not to mention that he would have to give something up in a trade in addition to paying those salaries. And this stance was arguably validated given that the Chargers were #2 in passing yards despite a ton of missed games from Gates, Jackson, Floyd, Naanee, Davis, and Crayton. If Steve Smith was a free agent who could be signed for a lesser price, that might be a different story, but I assume there is no chance of him being released. So I don't see him playing for the Chargers.As a Chargers fan, I'd rather see A.J. give in and sign Jackson to a new deal than to trade something to Carolina for Steve Smith and pay him $15M over the next two years. Speaking of Jackson, I think the franchise tag on him means nothing at this point. If the season is played under no CBA, I'd be shocked if there are tags. If a new CBA is reached, it could change or eliminate the CBA. And even if it sticks, he could be traded. IMO A.J. Smith made it clear last year that he didn't feel he needed Jackson enough to pay him big money, I see no reason to think he is now willing to pay Jackson $9M or whatever the franchise number would be. Or to sign him to a long term deal at the numbers Jackson wants.So I think Jackson will be gone. It seems that most Chargers fans think he will be back, so I am in the minority on that.That is largely why I think they will resign Floyd. Floyd is quite good for the Chargers offense, he just has trouble staying healthy. At 30 and with that injury history, I assume there won't be a big market for him, meaning the Chargers can resign him for a reasonable price.I think the Chargers will let Naanee walk and will cut Davis, who has been a huge disappointment.As a result of all that, I believe the WRs will end up like this:WR1 FloydWR2 AjirotutuWR3 CraytonWR4 Brown

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd. Some things never change around here. It's time to find a new toy. Those are some fugly WRs you listed there.

 

[craxie]

Putting the speculation aside, does anyone know if the league and NFLPA agreed to a "default" CBA that would be in place once the current CBA expired back in March? I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that there are default rules to go by in the event that there wasn't a new CBA in place.

nope, no such thing

 

[massraider]

First off, I don't see A.J. Smith trading for Steve Smith. Steve Smith's contract has two years remaining: $7 million in 2011 and $7.75 million in 2012. Based on how A.J. handled Jackson last year, I think it's safe to conclude that he does not feel he needs to pay that kind of money for a WR, not to mention that he would have to give something up in a trade in addition to paying those salaries. And this stance was arguably validated given that the Chargers were #2 in passing yards despite a ton of missed games from Gates, Jackson, Floyd, Naanee, Davis, and Crayton. If Steve Smith was a free agent who could be signed for a lesser price, that might be a different story, but I assume there is no chance of him being released. So I don't see him playing for the Chargers.As a Chargers fan, I'd rather see A.J. give in and sign Jackson to a new deal than to trade something to Carolina for Steve Smith and pay him $15M over the next two years. Speaking of Jackson, I think the franchise tag on him means nothing at this point. If the season is played under no CBA, I'd be shocked if there are tags. If a new CBA is reached, it could change or eliminate the CBA. And even if it sticks, he could be traded. IMO A.J. Smith made it clear last year that he didn't feel he needed Jackson enough to pay him big money, I see no reason to think he is now willing to pay Jackson $9M or whatever the franchise number would be. Or to sign him to a long term deal at the numbers Jackson wants.So I think Jackson will be gone. It seems that most Chargers fans think he will be back, so I am in the minority on that.That is largely why I think they will resign Floyd. Floyd is quite good for the Chargers offense, he just has trouble staying healthy. At 30 and with that injury history, I assume there won't be a big market for him, meaning the Chargers can resign him for a reasonable price.I think the Chargers will let Naanee walk and will cut Davis, who has been a huge disappointment.As a result of all that, I believe the WRs will end up like this:WR1 FloydWR2 AjirotutuWR3 CraytonWR4 Brown

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd. Some things never change around here. It's time to find a new toy. Those are some fugly WRs you listed there.

Perhaps. Didn't seem to harm Rivers' numbers tho.

 

[_lurker_]

Putting the speculation aside, does anyone know if the league and NFLPA agreed to a "default" CBA that would be in place once the current CBA expired back in March? I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that there are default rules to go by in the event that there wasn't a new CBA in place.

nope, no such thing

umm, do you have a link to something? cuz this has some good conversation and it seems like "status quo" is required until a new labor agreement is in place.

Does anyone know for sure what rules will be in effect for 2011 if there's no new CBA -and- the lockout is lifted?

 

[craxie]

umm, do you have a link to something?

cuz this has some good conversation and it seems like "status quo" is required until a new labor agreement is in place.

That 'default' only applied as long as there was a union and no strike/lockout took place.Now that the union has decertified, it is moot

All restrictions on player movement are ONLY legal because they're dealing with a union. Without a union, all those restrictions become illegal and thus CANNOT be retained.

Does anyone know for sure what rules will be in effect for 2011 if there's no new CBA -and- the lockout is lifted?

Whatever rules the NFL feels like implementing.The catch is that they have to hold up to anti-trust scrutiny or the league would have to pay treble damages

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

We might get a hint from the 8th Circuit in a few weeks regarding whether the nonstatutory labor exemption will cover the 2011 season. If it does, the owners can re-implement the 2010 rules without violating antitrust laws. The 2010 rules included the franchise tag.

If the nonstatutory labor exemption is no longer in effect, any rules the owners implement will be subject to antitrust scrutiny. In that case, it's unclear whether the franchise tag would be allowed (without subjecting the owners to liability). It would likely depend on whether a court finds it to be reasonable.

 

[Tau837]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

 

[craxie]

If it does, the owners can re-implement the 2010 rules without violating antitrust laws. The 2010 rules included the franchise tag.

If they were willing to work with the 2010 rules, they wouldn't have done a lockout in the first placeThey opted out of the CBA early specifically so they wouldn't have to continue another year under the existing rulesThe more likely result of them getting the temporary ATI is a continuation of the lockout

 

[D.J.]

We might get a hint from the 8th Circuit in a few weeks regarding whether the nonstatutory labor exemption will cover the 2011 season. If it does, the owners can re-implement the 2010 rules without violating antitrust laws. The 2010 rules included the franchise tag.

If the nonstatutory labor exemption is no longer in effect, any rules the owners implement will be subject to antitrust scrutiny. In that case, it's unclear whether the franchise tag would be allowed (without subjecting the owners to liability). It would likely depend on whether a court finds it to be reasonable.

Lets just hope we never know what the court is planning to rule and that we never know what rules might be in place without a cba this year

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

Being right about Floyd vs Naanee isn't something to write home to mom about It's more about how wrong I was about Naanee. Not something to lose sleep over. More wishful thinking anyway, or just to be contrary against Floyd.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Steve Smith Carolina

With love,

Steve Smith owner

 

[Couch Potato]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

Being right about Floyd vs Naanee isn't something to write home to mom about It's more about how wrong I was about Naanee. Not something to lose sleep over. More wishful thinking anyway, or just to be contrary against Floyd.

JWB and I are partners in MOX VI. He was higher -- a lot higher -- than I was on Floyd when we were looking to add a FA. I decided to trust him though because I know JWB knows his Chargers (and overall) stuff, so we added Floyd as a FA instead of a lot of other WW nobodies we could have added and that I was considering.How did that work out for us? 9.8 PPG in the games he played in (non-PPR league), good for WR18 in our league on a PPG basis. More specifically, we reaped the rewards of 15.5, 15.7, 27.3, 8.4, 7.2, and 17.1 in 6 of the 10 fantasy-relevant games he played in. Yeah, he had injuries and missed games, and like all WRs had some low scores (one of those was a game he was injured in early and did little before exiting), but he was a real difference maker a number of times. For a FA pickup that no one else in our league wanted, and almost no one on FBG staff outside of Bloom was even commenting positively about, he was an awesome find. Again, WR18 on a PPG basis, for free. I'm very grateful to JWB for his insight so I could reap the rewards in the league we share and also in other leagues where I heeded his advice. To disrespect JWB concerning Floyd when HE WAS DEAD RIGHT is ridiculous.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

Being right about Floyd vs Naanee isn't something to write home to mom about It's more about how wrong I was about Naanee. Not something to lose sleep over. More wishful thinking anyway, or just to be contrary against Floyd.

JWB and I are partners in MOX VI. He was higher -- a lot higher -- than I was on Floyd when we were looking to add a FA. I decided to trust him though because I know JWB knows his Chargers (and overall) stuff, so we added Floyd as a FA instead of a lot of other WW nobodies we could have added and that I was considering.How did that work out for us? 9.8 PPG in the games he played in (non-PPR league), good for WR18 in our league on a PPG basis. More specifically, we reaped the rewards of 15.5, 15.7, 27.3, 8.4, 7.2, and 17.1 in 6 of the 10 fantasy-relevant games he played in. Yeah, he had injuries and missed games, and like all WRs had some low scores (one of those was a game he was injured in early and did little before exiting), but he was a real difference maker a number of times. For a FA pickup that no one else in our league wanted, and almost no one on FBG staff outside of Bloom was even commenting positively about, he was an awesome find. Again, WR18 on a PPG basis, for free. I'm very grateful to JWB for his insight so I could reap the rewards in the league we share and also in other leagues where I heeded his advice. To disrespect JWB concerning Floyd when HE WAS DEAD RIGHT is ridiculous.

No disrespect meant, I'm always trying to find a reason not to add Floyd to my team and I'll listen to anyone who offers a reason not to. He's kind of like that ugly wife you don't want to take out but loves her cooking.

 

[Couch Potato]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

Being right about Floyd vs Naanee isn't something to write home to mom about It's more about how wrong I was about Naanee. Not something to lose sleep over. More wishful thinking anyway, or just to be contrary against Floyd.

JWB and I are partners in MOX VI. He was higher -- a lot higher -- than I was on Floyd when we were looking to add a FA. I decided to trust him though because I know JWB knows his Chargers (and overall) stuff, so we added Floyd as a FA instead of a lot of other WW nobodies we could have added and that I was considering.How did that work out for us? 9.8 PPG in the games he played in (non-PPR league), good for WR18 in our league on a PPG basis. More specifically, we reaped the rewards of 15.5, 15.7, 27.3, 8.4, 7.2, and 17.1 in 6 of the 10 fantasy-relevant games he played in. Yeah, he had injuries and missed games, and like all WRs had some low scores (one of those was a game he was injured in early and did little before exiting), but he was a real difference maker a number of times. For a FA pickup that no one else in our league wanted, and almost no one on FBG staff outside of Bloom was even commenting positively about, he was an awesome find. Again, WR18 on a PPG basis, for free. I'm very grateful to JWB for his insight so I could reap the rewards in the league we share and also in other leagues where I heeded his advice. To disrespect JWB concerning Floyd when HE WAS DEAD RIGHT is ridiculous.

No disrespect meant, I'm always trying to find a reason not to add Floyd to my team and I'll listen to anyone who offers a reason not to. He's kind of like that ugly wife you don't want to take out but loves her cooking.

I know you meant no disrespect, and you and I have known each other a long time so I'm not trying to disrespect you either by arguing. It's just that, with all the threads around here full of poorly thought out, unknowledgeable nonsense (making this board almost unreadable at times), I felt like the give-and-take between the guys in this thread was a nice refreshing exception. Then you popped in with the comments to JWB concerning his support of Floyd, support which was wholly justified last year. It surprised me, knowing that you (and I by the way) are always scouring the WW in search of a steal, and JWB nailed one (too bad Floyd wasn't healthy more of the year so he'd get his due, but totals and not PPG is what most folks look at, so his success appears muted). Hell, I was with you back then, almost begging JWB to drop Floyd from our team at times last offseason for this guy or that because all the "experts" were backing Naanee. But Brian held to his belief and supported it with information that at least convinced me to shut up and see what happened. And he was right. So, there's plenty of idiotic blusterous yapping going on in so many threads that it surprised me you'd choose a relative success story like Floyd to take a shot at, that's all. Take a shot at me instead. I deserve it. I was the guy all over Chaz Schilens' jock last year. LOL.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

Being right about Floyd vs Naanee isn't something to write home to mom about It's more about how wrong I was about Naanee. Not something to lose sleep over. More wishful thinking anyway, or just to be contrary against Floyd.

JWB and I are partners in MOX VI. He was higher -- a lot higher -- than I was on Floyd when we were looking to add a FA. I decided to trust him though because I know JWB knows his Chargers (and overall) stuff, so we added Floyd as a FA instead of a lot of other WW nobodies we could have added and that I was considering.How did that work out for us? 9.8 PPG in the games he played in (non-PPR league), good for WR18 in our league on a PPG basis. More specifically, we reaped the rewards of 15.5, 15.7, 27.3, 8.4, 7.2, and 17.1 in 6 of the 10 fantasy-relevant games he played in. Yeah, he had injuries and missed games, and like all WRs had some low scores (one of those was a game he was injured in early and did little before exiting), but he was a real difference maker a number of times. For a FA pickup that no one else in our league wanted, and almost no one on FBG staff outside of Bloom was even commenting positively about, he was an awesome find. Again, WR18 on a PPG basis, for free. I'm very grateful to JWB for his insight so I could reap the rewards in the league we share and also in other leagues where I heeded his advice. To disrespect JWB concerning Floyd when HE WAS DEAD RIGHT is ridiculous.

No disrespect meant, I'm always trying to find a reason not to add Floyd to my team and I'll listen to anyone who offers a reason not to. He's kind of like that ugly wife you don't want to take out but loves her cooking.

I know you meant no disrespect, and you and I have known each other a long time so I'm not trying to disrespect you either by arguing. It's just that, with all the threads around here full of poorly thought out, unknowledgeable nonsense (making this board almost unreadable at times), I felt like the give-and-take between the guys in this thread was a nice refreshing exception. Then you popped in with the comments to JWB concerning his support of Floyd, support which was wholly justified last year. It surprised me, knowing that you (and I by the way) are always scouring the WW in search of a steal, and JWB nailed one (too bad Floyd wasn't healthy more of the year so he'd get his due, but totals and not PPG is what most folks look at, so his success appears muted). Hell, I was with you back then, almost begging JWB to drop Floyd from our team at times last offseason for this guy or that because all the "experts" were backing Naanee. But Brian held to his belief and supported it with information that at least convinced me to shut up and see what happened. And he was right. So, there's plenty of idiotic blusterous yapping going on in so many threads that it surprised me you'd choose a relative success story like Floyd to take a shot at, that's all. Take a shot at me instead. I deserve it. I was the guy all over Chaz Schilens' jock last year. LOL.

So, is that 30 year old gimp good for 1500+ and 10+ this year? The Chicago Tribune's Dan Pompei calls free agent Malcom Floyd a "good option" for the Bears if his free agency is unrestricted

 

[Couch Potato]

So, is that 30 year old with a gimp good for 1500+ and 10+ this year?

At least! Nah... I'm not even getting into giving my opinion concerning this year because I'm clueless. I'm honestly as confused as anyone how the whole CBA thing will shake out and how it will affect VJax and Floyd and the others, who will stay and who will go. I'm not smart enough to understand it all, and that's why I've been following the thread and the opinions of guys here talking about it.And you and I are still buds, Floyd opinions notwithstanding.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

So, is that 30 year old with a gimp good for 1500+ and 10+ this year?

At least! Nah... I'm not even getting into giving my opinion concerning this year because I'm clueless. I'm honestly as confused as anyone how the whole CBA thing will shake out and how it will affect VJax and Floyd and the others, who will stay and who will go. I'm not smart enough to understand it all, and that's why I've been following the thread and the opinions of guys here talking about it.And you and I are still buds, Floyd opinions notwithstanding.

:sniff:sniff:takesadrink:sniff:sniff:

 

[domvin]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

Being right about Floyd vs Naanee isn't something to write home to mom about It's more about how wrong I was about Naanee. Not something to lose sleep over. More wishful thinking anyway, or just to be contrary against Floyd.

JWB and I are partners in MOX VI. He was higher -- a lot higher -- than I was on Floyd when we were looking to add a FA. I decided to trust him though because I know JWB knows his Chargers (and overall) stuff, so we added Floyd as a FA instead of a lot of other WW nobodies we could have added and that I was considering.How did that work out for us? 9.8 PPG in the games he played in (non-PPR league), good for WR18 in our league on a PPG basis. More specifically, we reaped the rewards of 15.5, 15.7, 27.3, 8.4, 7.2, and 17.1 in 6 of the 10 fantasy-relevant games he played in. Yeah, he had injuries and missed games, and like all WRs had some low scores (one of those was a game he was injured in early and did little before exiting), but he was a real difference maker a number of times. For a FA pickup that no one else in our league wanted, and almost no one on FBG staff outside of Bloom was even commenting positively about, he was an awesome find. Again, WR18 on a PPG basis, for free. I'm very grateful to JWB for his insight so I could reap the rewards in the league we share and also in other leagues where I heeded his advice. To disrespect JWB concerning Floyd when HE WAS DEAD RIGHT is ridiculous.

I think this has more to do with who is throwing the ball than pure talent. Awesome call on Floyd, last year.Similar to a Houshmandzadeh in Cincinnati situation. Palmer trusted him, and there was opportunity.Long term, my money is on Vincent Brown being that guy.Charlie joiner loves Vincent Brown...

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

I see that you're still sky high on Floyd.

I'm not sky high on him and never have been. However, IMO he has been consistently underrated around here. I was right in my stance last year about Floyd vs. Naanee. IIRC you were touting Naanee.

Being right about Floyd vs Naanee isn't something to write home to mom about It's more about how wrong I was about Naanee. Not something to lose sleep over. More wishful thinking anyway, or just to be contrary against Floyd.

JWB and I are partners in MOX VI. He was higher -- a lot higher -- than I was on Floyd when we were looking to add a FA. I decided to trust him though because I know JWB knows his Chargers (and overall) stuff, so we added Floyd as a FA instead of a lot of other WW nobodies we could have added and that I was considering.How did that work out for us? 9.8 PPG in the games he played in (non-PPR league), good for WR18 in our league on a PPG basis. More specifically, we reaped the rewards of 15.5, 15.7, 27.3, 8.4, 7.2, and 17.1 in 6 of the 10 fantasy-relevant games he played in. Yeah, he had injuries and missed games, and like all WRs had some low scores (one of those was a game he was injured in early and did little before exiting), but he was a real difference maker a number of times. For a FA pickup that no one else in our league wanted, and almost no one on FBG staff outside of Bloom was even commenting positively about, he was an awesome find. Again, WR18 on a PPG basis, for free. I'm very grateful to JWB for his insight so I could reap the rewards in the league we share and also in other leagues where I heeded his advice. To disrespect JWB concerning Floyd when HE WAS DEAD RIGHT is ridiculous.

Charlie joiner loves Vincent Brown...

Any links to things he's said about Brown?