Curry is a #3 WR target? Really? I would think he would be quite easy to aquire.My targets: R.Curry - As my WR3I'm not having much luck, but curious to see what you guys are doing out there.
His owner is an Oakland fanCurry is a #3 WR target? Really? I would think he would be quite easy to aquire.My targets: R.Curry - As my WR3I'm not having much luck, but curious to see what you guys are doing out there.
I'd slam the door in your face...SeriouslyJust offered Julius Jones and Warrick Dunn for LT... the owner is 0-2 and needs to make something happen.. hoping it will at least start negotiations...
Yeah that's downright insulting.I'd slam the door in your face...SeriouslyJust offered Julius Jones and Warrick Dunn for LT... the owner is 0-2 and needs to make something happen.. hoping it will at least start negotiations...
Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
Just offered Julius Jones and Warrick Dunn for LT... the owner is 0-2 and needs to make something happen.. hoping it will at least start negotiations...
trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
I'm an Addai owner. What's your offer? I'll let you know if I'd accept it.I made an offer of Holt/Garrard for Fitzgerald (owner has Russell and Ryan as his QBs). I fully expect to be turned down but when he does I'll counter with the same offer for Jennings. He's a huge Packers fan so I doubt he'll say yes but I think that's a decent offer given how bad his QBs are.Addai offering a package which includes Chad Ocho Stinko
You just listed some valid reasons why Cotchery *should* be cheaper than we think.You can probably get Jericho Cotchery cheaper than you think. I'm one who bought into the top 15WR hype and I think he will be lucky to land in the 25WR right now. He just isn't getting the targets I expected. And dare I say Favre's arm isn't looking like the cannon of old.
I still think Cotchery will be Top 15. Top 20 at worst, so if you can get him for cheap I say go for it. I think the Patriots outcoached the Jets by a huge margin this past week. Belichick schemed to take Cotchery away and Favre didn't force anything to him. Give credit to Favre for not trying to force something and make any mistakes but the Jets need to do a better job of freeing up Cotchery when defenses scheme on him like that.You can probably get Jericho Cotchery cheaper than you think. I'm one who bought into the top 15WR hype and I think he will be lucky to land in the 25WR right now. He just isn't getting the targets I expected. And dare I say Favre's arm isn't looking like the cannon of old.
Just offered Julius Jones and Warrick Dunn for LT... the owner is 0-2 and needs to make something happen.. hoping it will at least start negotiations...trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).![]()
gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
I was offered Galloway, LJ, and Berrian for Steve Smith and Cutlerspeaking of horrible offers... was offered Kevin Curtis for Calvin Johnson (straight up) this week. I about spit the drink out my nose when I read it.
I hate those kind of offers -- It turns me off of wanting to deal with the person. If I were him and you offered me that, your next offer would have to be out of the park for me to accept. The low-ball "starter" offers drive me crazy.gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
That's not a very friendly way to start negotiations.Just offered Julius Jones and Warrick Dunn for LT... the owner is 0-2 and needs to make something happen.. hoping it will at least start negotiations...
I hate those kind of offers -- It turns me off of wanting to deal with the person. If I were him and you offered me that, your next offer would have to be out of the park for me to accept. The low-ball "starter" offers drive me crazy.gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
Those kind of offers don't start dialog, they piss people off.I hate those kind of offers -- It turns me off of wanting to deal with the person. If I were him and you offered me that, your next offer would have to be out of the park for me to accept. The low-ball "starter" offers drive me crazy.gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
You'd think Cassel had a statistically great game or something. Unless you're scoring is massively out of whack from the norm that's a crappy place to start. I find you get further if you start with a reasonable offer. Some people make offers as if they can get something for nothing.gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
Sure it's a bad offer but if the guy with Cassel has something you want, just make a counter proposal and see if you can get it. The owners I can't stand are the ones who let emotions dictate their decisions. You make an offer they don't like and they come back with "That's crap" or something like that. Just respond politely and maybe you can both get a deal done you like.I hate those kind of offers -- It turns me off of wanting to deal with the person. If I were him and you offered me that, your next offer would have to be out of the park for me to accept. The low-ball "starter" offers drive me crazy.gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).It basically says "I think you are dumb and I am trying to screw you over".
I believe people make these kind of offers because they are afraid to make a stand up offer intially. These owners generally want the other owner to make the first "real" offer. These types of owners are the one's who complain on the league message board that no one wants to trade and that it's a boring league. In reality there is probably plenty of trading going on, they just don't involve this type of owner often.Just offered Julius Jones and Warrick Dunn for LT... the owner is 0-2 and needs to make something happen.. hoping it will at least start negotiations...trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).![]()
I respond to all offers.Even if it's an outlandish offer, I see it as an opportunity to counter and maybe get a player that wasn't even discussed initially. There no such thing as pointless negotiation and it never hurts to listen.Having said that, I'd have a hard time progressing firther with initial offer like these.
you may believe that, and it may even be true sometimes, but how can you make a generalization like that? it's not true in this case (i make lots of trades in all of the leagues i'm in). it's a game -- don't take it as an insult to your manhood, Hoss, just make a counter. or don't.I believe people make these kind of offers because they are afraid to make a stand up offer intially. These owners generally want the other owner to make the first "real" offer. These types of owners are the one's who complain on the league message board that no one wants to trade and that it's a boring league. In reality there is probably plenty of trading going on, they just don't involve this type of owner often.Just offered Julius Jones and Warrick Dunn for LT... the owner is 0-2 and needs to make something happen.. hoping it will at least start negotiations...trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).![]()
I respond to all offers.Even if it's an outlandish offer, I see it as an opportunity to counter and maybe get a player that wasn't even discussed initially. There no such thing as pointless negotiation and it never hurts to listen.Having said that, I'd have a hard time progressing firther with initial offer like these.
Unless he has Russell and A. Smith as his top 2, I don't see how Cassel would be much of an improvement.gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).
I agree, I always make counters to those offers or turn them down politely. I don't get upset over them. I just mark that team down as a team that I probably don't want to trade with because they are either A) trying to hose me over or B) value players differently than I do and therefore a fair trade will be next to impossible. Personally, I always start out a trade with a fair offer. Sometimes it may swing in my favor, but I will never throw out something as ridiculous as this.Sure it's a bad offer but if the guy with Cassel has something you want, just make a counter proposal and see if you can get it. The owners I can't stand are the ones who let emotions dictate their decisions. You make an offer they don't like and they come back with "That's crap" or something like that. Just respond politely and maybe you can both get a deal done you like.I hate those kind of offers -- It turns me off of wanting to deal with the person. If I were him and you offered me that, your next offer would have to be out of the park for me to accept. The low-ball "starter" offers drive me crazy.gotta start somewhere. i'll probably end up throwing in a #2 rb. but you never know -- his QBs really are bad.Dude. That's horrible.trying to get SJax.Offering Matt Cassel (his QBs aren't good).It basically says "I think you are dumb and I am trying to screw you over".
That's the essence of good negotiation. Be willing to move but negotiate in good faith.If I'm negotiating for a job I'm not going to ask for $1,000,000/year and I don't expect them to offer me $1/hour but I do expect to be offered less then they're willing to give and I'll probably ask for more then I'd settle for.I never make my best offer first. I try not to insult the other guy but I always start off with an opening offer for less than I'm willing to trade. If the guy says no, then I counter with the offer I'm prepared to make. My league is one of those "Nobody trades in my league" leagues and I'm one of the few guys who makes trades every year in it. The problem I find in my league is too many guys are still thinking about where they drafted a player and they aren't focusing on whether or not the deal is one that might help them.
The teams I won't trade with are the ones who get all p****d off when you make them an offer they don't like. For example, I offered Holt/Fred Taylor for Grant/Coles today. Guy shot it down and was all steamed that I even offered it. Totally blew me away. In retrospect, I'm glad he said no because I had second thoughts about even offering it. Grant's hammy has me worried and Coles isn't exactly the picture of good health these days either. I was just looking to shake some things up for my team and I figured since the guy was starting Coles/S.Rice/Hardy as his WRs he might be interested in getting a decent one.I agree, I always make counters to those offers or turn them down politely. I don't get upset over them. I just mark that team down as a team that I probably don't want to trade with because they are either A) trying to hose me over or B) value players differently than I do and therefore a fair trade will be next to impossible. Personally, I always start out a trade with a fair offer. Sometimes it may swing in my favor, but I will never throw out something as ridiculous as this.
I just don't think the Jets NEED to get Cotchery the ball. Think of all the Receiving options there...CotcheryColesBrad SmithStuckey (might be worth picking up)FranksBakerKellerL.WashingtonThomas JonesWhy spend the effort to get Cotchery open if he is doubled? Just take advantage of the other Open WR/TE/RB. I still think Jerricho gets his 1-2 bombs a game and will be a decent WR3 play in the end.I still think Cotchery will be Top 15. Top 20 at worst, so if you can get him for cheap I say go for it. I think the Patriots outcoached the Jets by a huge margin this past week. Belichick schemed to take Cotchery away and Favre didn't force anything to him. Give credit to Favre for not trying to force something and make any mistakes but the Jets need to do a better job of freeing up Cotchery when defenses scheme on him like that.You can probably get Jericho Cotchery cheaper than you think. I'm one who bought into the top 15WR hype and I think he will be lucky to land in the 25WR right now. He just isn't getting the targets I expected. And dare I say Favre's arm isn't looking like the cannon of old.
I think this is a mistake. You would be surprised how well it's received to actually get a deal done on one offer without the haggling, and how well it sets you up for future trading. I make more trades than most owners and it IS my goal to get a deal done with one offer. I must be doing something right, because I have the titles and playoff appearances to back it up. Edited for spelling.I never make my best offer first.
If I get an offer that is absolutely crap in my mind, I will kindly ask them to say what reasoning they think this offer has to help my team. That way I can tell whether or not they are trying to screw me or just value the players in the deal differently. If it is the second one, i wouldn't mark them down as you stated though as there is no reason to believe yet that we will always value the players that far off. Obviously that can change if we have multiple encounters like that.Had one such offer before week 1 so i asked the guy. Don't know him as it is a first year league through a friend (all league mates but me and one other guy live in the same area). His response was it never said it did help me and he made it because it is good for him. That's the guy I mark off on a list of not trading with.I agree, I always make counters to those offers or turn them down politely. I don't get upset over them. I just mark that team down as a team that I probably don't want to trade with because they are either A) trying to hose me over or B) value players differently than I do and therefore a fair trade will be next to impossible. Personally, I always start out a trade with a fair offer. Sometimes it may swing in my favor, but I will never throw out something as ridiculous as this.
I'm sure all the owners in his league know this as well, so why not cut the BS and make an offer that works out of the gate. Does there always have to be haggling in a trade? I don't think so.That's the essence of good negotiation. Be willing to move but negotiate in good faith.If I'm negotiating for a job I'm not going to ask for $1,000,000/year and I don't expect them to offer me $1/hour but I do expect to be offered less then they're willing to give and I'll probably ask for more then I'd settle for.I never make my best offer first. I try not to insult the other guy but I always start off with an opening offer for less than I'm willing to trade. If the guy says no, then I counter with the offer I'm prepared to make. My league is one of those "Nobody trades in my league" leagues and I'm one of the few guys who makes trades every year in it. The problem I find in my league is too many guys are still thinking about where they drafted a player and they aren't focusing on whether or not the deal is one that might help them.