Who do you take at #4? (1 Viewer)

[greenf7cat]

I have the #4 pick in a keeper league. If the order goes like this, who do I take?

1. AP

2. Calvin

3. Marshawn

4.???

I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB.

PS. It's a RB scoring league....

 

[Alluro]

If you need a QB or are looking for the best value on the board, go with Jamarcus Russell. If you are in my situation and need a rb, take Brandon Jackson.

 

[duaneok66]

If you need a QB or are looking for the best value on the board, go with Jamarcus Russell. If you are in my situation and need a rb, take Brandon Jackson.

trade it for a player and a 1st rd pick in 2008 . . .

 

[greenf7cat]

If you need a QB or are looking for the best value on the board, go with Jamarcus Russell. If you are in my situation and need a rb, take Brandon Jackson.

trade it for a player and a 1st rd pick in 2008 . . .

I just dont know what I can get for the pick. I would LOVE to trade up somehow and get Calvin, but does anyone know anything about Brandon Jackson?

 

[FantasyTrader]

If you need a QB or are looking for the best value on the board, go with Jamarcus Russell. If you are in my situation and need a rb, take Brandon Jackson.

trade it for a player and a 1st rd pick in 2008 . . .

I just dont know what I can get for the pick. I would LOVE to trade up somehow and get Calvin, but does anyone know anything about Brandon Jackson?

There have been two really solid threads in the past 2 days about Jackson. Check pages 2-3.

 

[videoguy505]

I pick whoever the ACF recommends. Ask them.

 

[Stingdiddy]

I have the #4 pick in a keeper league. If the order goes like this, who do I take?1. AP2. Calvin3. Marshawn4.??? I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

At least figure out who Brandon Jackson is before posting this question. That's really not that hard dude.

 

[greenf7cat]

At least figure out who Brandon Jackson is before posting this question. That's really not that hard dude.

I was merely asking for people's thoughts b/c i dont get to watch many NE games, so i didnt get to see him at all.

Hey it was your choice to reply, you didnt have to if it really aggravated you that much. Find something else to do.

 

[Stingdiddy]

At least figure out who Brandon Jackson is before posting this question. That's really not that hard dude.

I was merely asking for people's thoughts b/c i dont get to watch many NE games, so i didnt get to see him at all.

Hey it was your choice to reply, you didnt have to if it really aggravated you that much. Find something else to do.

My point was this. If you want people to take the time to give you a thoughtful suggestion as to who you should draft, you could at the very least take 15 seconds to figure out who the Packers drafted.

Don't expect any good answers or insight to your question if you're not going to take the time to properly formulate the question in the first place.

 

[greenf7cat]

At least figure out who Brandon Jackson is before posting this question. That's really not that hard dude.

I was merely asking for people's thoughts b/c i dont get to watch many NE games, so i didnt get to see him at all.

Hey it was your choice to reply, you didnt have to if it really aggravated you that much. Find something else to do.

My point was this. If you want people to take the time to give you a thoughtful suggestion as to who you should draft, you could at the very least take 15 seconds to figure out who the Packers drafted.

Don't expect any good answers or insight to your question if you're not going to take the time to properly formulate the question in the first place.

Again, you didnt have to respond. I dont want to get in a pi$$ing contest here, but some people did respond with some good insight, so I am good.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

I wouldn't be so quick to call Brandon Jackson the backup.Let me put it this way: if your RB's are weak enough that Morency is important to you, then you should definitely go RB and that means Jackson IMO, handcuff or no.IMO the tiers are looking like this:ADCJMarshawnJ RussellBJax (if he has a good camp he separates from JR into a tier of his own)BoweMeachemRice (I'm actually not so sure that he's in the same tier as the other two, but I haven't looked into it)Beyond that, it gets really iffy--none of the other RB's look very good IMO, although much may change in the next few months.

 

[Stingdiddy]

I have the #4 pick in a keeper league. If the order goes like this, who do I take?1. AP2. Calvin3. Marshawn4.??? I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

Also, next time you may want to include your league's basic scoring parameters. You did mention that it's a RB heavy league, but, that leaves lots of room for interpretation. Also, what are your league's roster requirements? Where are the holes on your team? I could go on, but, I think you get the point.

 

[duaneok66]

I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

I wouldn't be so quick to call Brandon Jackson the backup.Let me put it this way: if your RB's are weak enough that Morency is important to you, then you should definitely go RB and that means Jackson IMO, handcuff or no.IMO the tiers are looking like this:ADCJMarshawnJ RussellBJax (if he has a good camp he separates from JR into a tier of his own)BoweMeachemRice (I'm actually not so sure that he's in the same tier as the other two, but I haven't looked into it)Beyond that, it gets really iffy--none of the other RB's look very good IMO, although much may change in the next few months.

no Quinn?? he has to be considered in the 4-8 range . . .

 

[greenf7cat]

I have the #4 pick in a keeper league. If the order goes like this, who do I take?1. AP2. Calvin3. Marshawn4.??? I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

Also, next time you may want to include your league's basic scoring parameters. You did mention that it's a RB heavy league, but, that leaves lots of room for interpretation. Also, what are your league's roster requirements? Where are the holes on your team? I could go on, but, I think you get the point.

Ok, I'll remember that next time.

 

[EBF]

This is a really bizarre year for rookie picks.

The top 3 are gold.

Picks 4-10 are dramatically less valuable, but there's almost no drop in talent here. In fact, the guys taken in the late first might be better than the guys taken in the mid first.

Picks 11-20 are almost equivalent in value.

I reached for Michael Bush at 1.04 in one of my leagues, but the smart move is probably to trade down. There just isn't a big incentive to stay in that slot.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

I wouldn't be so quick to call Brandon Jackson the backup.Let me put it this way: if your RB's are weak enough that Morency is important to you, then you should definitely go RB and that means Jackson IMO, handcuff or no.IMO the tiers are looking like this:ADCJMarshawnJ RussellBJax (if he has a good camp he separates from JR into a tier of his own)BoweMeachemRice (I'm actually not so sure that he's in the same tier as the other two, but I haven't looked into it)Beyond that, it gets really iffy--none of the other RB's look very good IMO, although much may change in the next few months.

no Quinn?? he has to be considered in the 4-8 range . . .

I guess. I'd probably slot him at 9 but you could make a case for him in 4-8. I basically agree with what EBF just said, although I personally think that 4-5 are a separate tier, and it's roughly 6-12 that's a wash.

 

[duaneok66]

I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

I wouldn't be so quick to call Brandon Jackson the backup.Let me put it this way: if your RB's are weak enough that Morency is important to you, then you should definitely go RB and that means Jackson IMO, handcuff or no.IMO the tiers are looking like this:ADCJMarshawnJ RussellBJax (if he has a good camp he separates from JR into a tier of his own)BoweMeachemRice (I'm actually not so sure that he's in the same tier as the other two, but I haven't looked into it)Beyond that, it gets really iffy--none of the other RB's look very good IMO, although much may change in the next few months.

no Quinn?? he has to be considered in the 4-8 range . . .

I guess. I'd probably slot him at 9 but you could make a case for him in 4-8. I basically agree with what EBF just said, although I personally think that 4-5 are a separate tier, and it's roughly 6-12 that's a wash.

picks 4-5 are no more valuable than 6-12 . . . Russell is a huge question mark, and he has NO worthwile receivers, meanwhile Jackson is not a lock to be the feature back in GB . . . the receivers may blossom quicker than most expect, and Quinn has much more talent than Russell with which to work . . .

 

[Stingdiddy]

I have the #4 pick in a keeper league. If the order goes like this, who do I take?1. AP2. Calvin3. Marshawn4.??? I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

Also, next time you may want to include your league's basic scoring parameters. You did mention that it's a RB heavy league, but, that leaves lots of room for interpretation. Also, what are your league's roster requirements? Where are the holes on your team? I could go on, but, I think you get the point.

Ok, I'll remember that next time.

You do that chief.

 

[-OZ-]

This is a really bizarre year for rookie picks.The top 3 are gold.Picks 4-10 are dramatically less valuable, but there's almost no drop in talent here. In fact, the guys taken in the late first might be better than the guys taken in the mid first. Picks 11-20 are almost equivalent in value. I reached for Michael Bush at 1.04 in one of my leagues, but the smart move is probably to trade down. There just isn't a big incentive to stay in that slot.

Just my opinion, but I see 4-20 as practically equal (IDP). I'm just not a fan of any player in particular after Lynch. For example, can you honestly tell me that Russell is worth more than Quinn? I don't think so, although some do. Jackson automatically worth a lot more than Irons? Maybe immediately, but not long term IMO. Bowe over Anthony Gonzalez? You can make the argument, but you can just as easily argue for Gonzo2. I look at the Bloom 50, and I really don't see a falloff until 22.

 

[pizzatyme]

Those that underestimate Gonzo 2 this season and years to come are sadly mistaken!

Gonzo for 700/7 TDs

I'm calling my shot now!

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Those that underestimate Gonzo 2 this season and years to come are sadly mistaken!Gonzo for 700/7 TDsI'm calling my shot now!

He really hasn't looked that special to me. Is this all because of situation? Because aside from Peyton's 49-TD year, Indy's WR3 hasn't done any better than 543/1.I don't see Harrison or Wayne going anywhere for at least 3 years, and I haven't seen enough of Gonzo to know that he'll start when Harrison eventually retires.

 

[pizzatyme]

Those that underestimate Gonzo 2 this season and years to come are sadly mistaken!Gonzo for 700/7 TDsI'm calling my shot now!

He really hasn't looked that special to me. Is this all because of situation? Because aside from Peyton's 49-TD year, Indy's WR3 hasn't done any better than 543/1.I don't see Harrison or Wayne going anywhere for at least 3 years, and I haven't seen enough of Gonzo to know that he'll start when Harrison eventually retires.

Well, for starters, my boss is in Columbus, OH and is a huge OSU fan. He says Gonzalez is a better WR than Ginn Jr. He runs precise routes and is very fast. That pretty much describes Harrison, no?Secondly, one could argue that Clark, Fletcher, and Utecht were the combined WR3 last season after Stokley went down. Especially Clark who had 4 TDs. They split the TE out as a true slot most of the time last season.Finally, Gonzo2 will have the perfect situation this season. He comes in as the fastest WR on the team, in the slot, against nickel and dime DBs, with Manning tossing it to him.Homer or no homerism, he is set, barring injury, to have a great rookie campaign!

 

[j3r3m3y]

I remember when AC posts were in the AC forum.... good times.

Hey guys, what should I have for breakfast tomorrow?

 

[videoguy505]

I remember when AC posts were in the AC forum.... good times.Hey guys, what should I have for breakfast tomorrow?

I'd go with the scrabled eggs.Answer mine?I'm 2 off the button with JTs and the UTG, an aggressive bully with a deep stack, makes it 4 times the blind. It's 100/200 in a $10 turbo SNG with 7 left. I've got 2500 and tired of being run over by this guy. Should I flat call, reraise all in, or fold?

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Well, for starters, my boss is in Columbus, OH and is a huge OSU fan. He says Gonzalez is a better WR than Ginn Jr. He runs precise routes and is very fast. That pretty much describes Harrison, no?

Secondly, one could argue that Clark, Fletcher, and Utecht were the combined WR3 last season after Stokley went down. Especially Clark who had 4 TDs. They split the TE out as a true slot most of the time last season.

Finally, Gonzo2 will have the perfect situation this season. He comes in as the fastest WR on the team, in the slot, against nickel and dime DBs, with Manning tossing it to him.

I don't dispute that he is more of a "pure" WR than Ginn, but that could be said of a lot of people. Ginn is just not a polished WR.I have not seen anybody claim that his route-running is in the same league as Harrison. Harrison runs routes like an angel. From nfl.com:

Compares To: Devery Henderson, New Orleans -- Gonzalez has impressive explosion coming off the snap and is very alert working along the sidelines. He has the speed to gobble up the defensive back's cushion and uses that quickness to create separation rather than rely on crisp, precise footwork. He needs to improve his hand usage to get a clean release and must increase his strength, but in a multiple-receiver formation he can give decent value working in the slot.

Scouting reports also indicate that he doesn't have the best hands.

I admit I hadn't realized how fast he is, although I'd place more stock in his combine number (4.44 in 40) than campus (4.29).

I looked for some highlight videos on YouTube but couldn't find anything aside from a neat play vs. Iowa that would never work in the NFL.

All that said, I have to admit that he has some physical gifts and a good work ethic, and I can't imagine a better environment for a young WR with that description than Indy.

 

[pizzatyme]

Well, for starters, my boss is in Columbus, OH and is a huge OSU fan. He says Gonzalez is a better WR than Ginn Jr. He runs precise routes and is very fast. That pretty much describes Harrison, no?

Secondly, one could argue that Clark, Fletcher, and Utecht were the combined WR3 last season after Stokley went down. Especially Clark who had 4 TDs. They split the TE out as a true slot most of the time last season.

Finally, Gonzo2 will have the perfect situation this season. He comes in as the fastest WR on the team, in the slot, against nickel and dime DBs, with Manning tossing it to him.

I don't dispute that he is more of a "pure" WR than Ginn, but that could be said of a lot of people. Ginn is just not a polished WR.I have not seen anybody claim that his route-running is in the same league as Harrison. Harrison runs routes like an angel. From nfl.com:

Compares To: Devery Henderson, New Orleans -- Gonzalez has impressive explosion coming off the snap and is very alert working along the sidelines. He has the speed to gobble up the defensive back's cushion and uses that quickness to create separation rather than rely on crisp, precise footwork. He needs to improve his hand usage to get a clean release and must increase his strength, but in a multiple-receiver formation he can give decent value working in the slot.

Scouting reports also indicate that he doesn't have the best hands.

I admit I hadn't realized how fast he is, although I'd place more stock in his combine number (4.44 in 40) than campus (4.29).

I looked for some highlight videos on YouTube but couldn't find anything aside from a neat play vs. Iowa that would never work in the NFL.

All that said, I have to admit that he has some physical gifts and a good work ethic, and I can't imagine a better environment for a young WR with that description than Indy.

Not that Scout.com is the best source, but here is what they say about Gonzalez:Scout.com Player Evaluation:

STRENGTHS

Hands and Concentration

Quickness off Line

Route-Running Skills

AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT

Downfield Threat

Productive college receiver who consistently elevated his game, Gonzalez nicely projects as a second or third wide out at the next level.

Biography:

All-Conference selection last season, his first as a full-time starter. Finished with 51/734/8 after 28 catches as a sophomore.

Pos:

Smart, athletic receiver with a polished game. Plays with outstanding balance, body control and makes the reception without breaking stride. Extends to grab the ball away from his frame, takes a big hit, yet holds onto the pass. Displays outstanding focus and concentration, and gets vertical to make the difficult reception in a crowd. Intelligent, finds the soft spot in the defense and consistently gets separation from opponents. Works routes displaying quickness and adjusts to the errant throw.

Neg:

Does not show the speed to be a true deep threat.

I guess we'll see how it plays out.

 

[-OZ-]

All that said, I have to admit that [Gonzalez] has some physical gifts and a good work ethic, and I can't imagine a better environment for a young WR with that description than Indy.

That's exactly it. At worst, we're looking at a young Stokely, at best Peyton's #2 WR in a few years. Ok, he could completely fail, but I doubt it. He's probably the 2nd safest bet at WR this year.

 

[Robbie Cooper]

I have the number 4 pick in our draft this year too.

Our league is a 10 team, 5-keeper league. Last year, the 50 keepers broke down as:

QB 8

RB 19

WR 18

TE 5

The first round of our draft usally consists of the top-tier rookies and the best "unkept" veterans. I'm certain that AP and Calvin Johnson will be the first two picks this year, but I'm not sure what direction the guy picking ahead of me will go --- either Lynch or a veteran.

I'm hoping he'll go a veteran or a WR, as I would really like to add Lynch to my aging roster. But I'll have my choice at the ~20 overall RB (veterans) or Brandon Jackson/M. Lynch.

 

[jurb26]

Well, for starters, my boss is in Columbus, OH and is a huge OSU fan. He says Gonzalez is a better WR than Ginn Jr. He runs precise routes and is very fast. That pretty much describes Harrison, no?

I watch a fair amount of OSU football as well. I can tell you that Gonzo is not a better WR than Ginn. It may appear that way at times, but that is pretty easy when the coverage is rolled to Ginn 100% of the time. Case in point, see the National Championship game vs. Fla. W/o Ginn, that field became a whole lot smaller in a hurry for Gonzalez and Co. Suddenly when teams weren't scared out of their minds that Ginn was going to burn them Gonzo couldn't create hardly any separation on his own. Not that it really matters as Gonzo will not be planned for in Indy with Harrison and Wayne on the edges.....

 

[Slider]

Well, for starters, my boss is in Columbus, OH and is a huge OSU fan. He says Gonzalez is a better WR than Ginn Jr. He runs precise routes and is very fast. That pretty much describes Harrison, no?

I watch a fair amount of OSU football as well. I can tell you that Gonzo is not a better WR than Ginn. It may appear that way at times, but that is pretty easy when the coverage is rolled to Ginn 100% of the time. Case in point, see the National Championship game vs. Fla. W/o Ginn, that field became a whole lot smaller in a hurry for Gonzalez and Co. Suddenly when teams weren't scared out of their minds that Ginn was going to burn them Gonzo couldn't create hardly any separation on his own. Not that it really matters as Gonzo will not be planned for in Indy with Harrison and Wayne on the edges.....

The National Championship Game is a pretty bad place to judge Gonzalez. Ginn won't be running against 4.6 guys in the pros either. Gonzalez also has the best QB throwing to him. Adequate separation is about 4 inches.

 

[jurb26]

Well, for starters, my boss is in Columbus, OH and is a huge OSU fan. He says Gonzalez is a better WR than Ginn Jr. He runs precise routes and is very fast. That pretty much describes Harrison, no?

I watch a fair amount of OSU football as well. I can tell you that Gonzo is not a better WR than Ginn. It may appear that way at times, but that is pretty easy when the coverage is rolled to Ginn 100% of the time. Case in point, see the National Championship game vs. Fla. W/o Ginn, that field became a whole lot smaller in a hurry for Gonzalez and Co. Suddenly when teams weren't scared out of their minds that Ginn was going to burn them Gonzo couldn't create hardly any separation on his own. :(Not that it really matters as Gonzo will not be planned for in Indy with Harrison and Wayne on the edges.....

The National Championship Game is a pretty bad place to judge Gonzalez. Ginn won't be running against 4.6 guys in the pros either. Gonzalez also has the best QB throwing to him. Adequate separation is about 4 inches.

The Nat Championship game was the only time Gonzo was responsible for beating the brunt of any teams coverage. I'd say is is pretty relevant. If you watch any of the OSU games, it was obvious who Ds were scared of and rolling the coverage to. It was Ginn. It really doesn't matter if Ginn is running vs. 4.6 guys or not, he will still be faster than just about everyone he faces. Again, I already stated that it should not matter seeing that Gonzo will be at best a 3rd option with Harrison and Wayne still there. I'm only mentioning this because I don't think the transition from WR3 to WR2 or WR1 will be nearly as simply for Gonzo as many are indicating in both here and in other threads I've seen.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I remember when AC posts were in the AC forum.... good times.Hey guys, what should I have for breakfast tomorrow?

:(I'd go with the scrabled eggs.Answer mine?I'm 2 off the button with JTs and the UTG, an aggressive bully with a deep stack, makes it 4 times the blind. It's 100/200 in a $10 turbo SNG with 7 left. I've got 2500 and tired of being run over by this guy. Should I flat call, reraise all in, or fold?

With JTs you have to go all in or fold. I probably fold and pick a better battle.FYI- Decided to go with the scrambled eggs and toast. Good call. It is looking like chili or cup o soup for lunch. Which has more upside?

 

[pizzatyme]

I remember when AC posts were in the AC forum.... good times.Hey guys, what should I have for breakfast tomorrow?

:(I'd go with the scrabled eggs.Answer mine?I'm 2 off the button with JTs and the UTG, an aggressive bully with a deep stack, makes it 4 times the blind. It's 100/200 in a $10 turbo SNG with 7 left. I've got 2500 and tired of being run over by this guy. Should I flat call, reraise all in, or fold?

With JTs you have to go all in or fold. I probably fold and pick a better battle.FYI- Decided to go with the scrambled eggs and toast. Good call. It is looking like chili or cup o soup for lunch. Which has more upside?

The funny thing here is that there is an actual football conversation going on in this thread and you two are the only ones coming in and not adding value. Take YOUR topic to the FFA.TIA

 

[j3r3m3y]

The funny thing here is that there is an actual football conversation going on in this thread and you two are the only ones coming in and not adding value. Take YOUR topic to the FFA.TIA

The "actual football conversation" is a threadjack of the original topic. The original topic has no value at all.But if this helps get this "Who do I draft" thread out of the pool, I am all for it.

 

[kensat30]

I don't understand all the Gonzalez love one bit. Something has to be said for "win now" even in a dynasty league. Do you guys have an inside scoop on Harrison retiring within the next couple of seasons or something? Or do you look forward on a 5 year time horizon? Barring an injury or a Harrison retirement, this guy really has no chance to be quality pick for YEARS! Even though Harrison is 34/35 or whatever, who knows how long he will stick around? He is one of the all-time greats and he is still producing at a stud level.

Bottomline, Indy already has the most established, experienced, talented, and well paid WR duo in the league. This is the WORST possible spot for a rookie WR to land! Gonzalez not only will have to prove he can make it an NFL level (very possible but not guaranteed), but he has to wait in the wings as the heir apparent for 3+ years. Even then, who is to stay that Reggie Wayne won't become the goto guy in the offense like Harrison was when Wayne first stepped on board?

Maybe it's just me, but Brandon Stokely isn't the guy I'm thinking of when I draft a WR in my dynasty league. If Marvin Harrison retires after this season, then all you Gonzalez lovers can pat yourself on the back, but I just don't see that happening.

 

[Bossman]

I traded the 1.04 for 1.10, 2.10 and an '08 2nd. (12 team dynasty IDP)

The guy took Brandon Jackson at 1.04....I took Brady Quinn at 1.10.

I'm still waiting to take my 2.10...but there is still a ton of tallent on the board...including all IDP's.

 

[videoguy505]

The funny thing here is that there is an actual football conversation going on in this thread and you two are the only ones coming in and not adding value. Take YOUR topic to the FFA.TIA

The "actual football conversation" is a threadjack of the original topic. The original topic has no value at all.But if this helps get this "Who do I draft" thread out of the pool, I am all for it.

Definitely go with the chili.

 

[Fallerjw]

I don't understand all the Gonzalez love one bit. Something has to be said for "win now" even in a dynasty league. Do you guys have an inside scoop on Harrison retiring within the next couple of seasons or something? Or do you look forward on a 5 year time horizon? Barring an injury or a Harrison retirement, this guy really has no chance to be quality pick for YEARS! Even though Harrison is 34/35 or whatever, who knows how long he will stick around? He is one of the all-time greats and he is still producing at a stud level. Bottomline, Indy already has the most established, experienced, talented, and well paid WR duo in the league. This is the WORST possible spot for a rookie WR to land! Gonzalez not only will have to prove he can make it an NFL level (very possible but not guaranteed), but he has to wait in the wings as the heir apparent for 3+ years. Even then, who is to stay that Reggie Wayne won't become the goto guy in the offense like Harrison was when Wayne first stepped on board? Maybe it's just me, but Brandon Stokely isn't the guy I'm thinking of when I draft a WR in my dynasty league. If Marvin Harrison retires after this season, then all you Gonzalez lovers can pat yourself on the back, but I just don't see that happening.

Brandon Stokley 2004 down? 98 targets 68 receptions1077 yards 10 TD

 

[DWidmar]

This is a really bizarre year for rookie picks.The top 3 are gold.Picks 4-10 are dramatically less valuable, but there's almost no drop in talent here. In fact, the guys taken in the late first might be better than the guys taken in the mid first. Picks 11-20 are almost equivalent in value. I reached for Michael Bush at 1.04 in one of my leagues, but the smart move is probably to trade down. There just isn't a big incentive to stay in that slot.

Back to the original topic here:I think the top 3- 4 are gold (not sure on Russell) after that the draft seems to be pretty even. In that scenario, it makes more sense to draft for need because the value is close enough that you are probably not going to miss out on much. If you need a RB handcuff take Jackson and nobody should think that is a reach.

 

[JohnnyU]

I have the #4 pick in a keeper league. If the order goes like this, who do I take?1. AP2. Calvin3. Marshawn4.??? I have Morency on my team now, so do I handcuff him and take his Backup (rookie from Nebraska whose name is slipping me right now)?? I will atleast lock up the starter on GB. PS. It's a RB scoring league....

Also, next time you may want to include your league's basic scoring parameters. You did mention that it's a RB heavy league, but, that leaves lots of room for interpretation. Also, what are your league's roster requirements? Where are the holes on your team? I could go on, but, I think you get the point.

Ok, I'll remember that next time.

You do that chief.

give the guy a break

 

[kensat30]

I don't understand all the Gonzalez love one bit. Something has to be said for "win now" even in a dynasty league. Do you guys have an inside scoop on Harrison retiring within the next couple of seasons or something? Or do you look forward on a 5 year time horizon? Barring an injury or a Harrison retirement, this guy really has no chance to be quality pick for YEARS! Even though Harrison is 34/35 or whatever, who knows how long he will stick around? He is one of the all-time greats and he is still producing at a stud level. Bottomline, Indy already has the most established, experienced, talented, and well paid WR duo in the league. This is the WORST possible spot for a rookie WR to land! Gonzalez not only will have to prove he can make it an NFL level (very possible but not guaranteed), but he has to wait in the wings as the heir apparent for 3+ years. Even then, who is to stay that Reggie Wayne won't become the goto guy in the offense like Harrison was when Wayne first stepped on board? Maybe it's just me, but Brandon Stokely isn't the guy I'm thinking of when I draft a WR in my dynasty league. If Marvin Harrison retires after this season, then all you Gonzalez lovers can pat yourself on the back, but I just don't see that happening.

Brandon Stokley 2004 down? 98 targets 68 receptions1077 yards 10 TD

One season does not make a career. Especially when we're talking about a record breaking season like that. Leading up to that season, how valuable was Stokely?

 

[Fallerjw]

I don't understand all the Gonzalez love one bit. Something has to be said for "win now" even in a dynasty league. Do you guys have an inside scoop on Harrison retiring within the next couple of seasons or something? Or do you look forward on a 5 year time horizon? Barring an injury or a Harrison retirement, this guy really has no chance to be quality pick for YEARS! Even though Harrison is 34/35 or whatever, who knows how long he will stick around? He is one of the all-time greats and he is still producing at a stud level. Bottomline, Indy already has the most established, experienced, talented, and well paid WR duo in the league. This is the WORST possible spot for a rookie WR to land! Gonzalez not only will have to prove he can make it an NFL level (very possible but not guaranteed), but he has to wait in the wings as the heir apparent for 3+ years. Even then, who is to stay that Reggie Wayne won't become the goto guy in the offense like Harrison was when Wayne first stepped on board? Maybe it's just me, but Brandon Stokely isn't the guy I'm thinking of when I draft a WR in my dynasty league. If Marvin Harrison retires after this season, then all you Gonzalez lovers can pat yourself on the back, but I just don't see that happening.

Brandon Stokley 2004 down? 98 targets 68 receptions1077 yards 10 TD

One season does not make a career. Especially when we're talking about a record breaking season like that. Leading up to that season, how valuable was Stokely?

The point wasn't that Stokley is a stud, but that the WR3 for the Colts could easily be productive right away. If that is Gonzo, it won't take 5 years for him to have value.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

The point wasn't that Stokley is a stud, but that the WR3 for the Colts could easily be productive right away. If that is Gonzo, it won't take 5 years for him to have value.

First of all, Stokley was a vet, so it proves nothing about "right away".Second of all, of course the Colts WR3 could be productive IF MANNING THROWS FOR 49 TD's. The question is how productive the WR3 will be if Manning has the kind of numbers he's had during the other 90% of his career.And that's before you even get into the question of whether Gonzo has the talent to stick as the WR3 long term.

 

[Keith Lewis]

What was the question?

 

[phthalatemagic]

I remember when AC posts were in the AC forum.... good times.Hey guys, what should I have for breakfast tomorrow?

I'd go with the scrabled eggs.Answer mine?I'm 2 off the button with JTs and the UTG, an aggressive bully with a deep stack, makes it 4 times the blind. It's 100/200 in a $10 turbo SNG with 7 left. I've got 2500 and tired of being run over by this guy. Should I flat call, reraise all in, or fold?

re-raise all in bub!What do you guys think about Barry Bonds?

 

[Fallerjw]

The point wasn't that Stokley is a stud, but that the WR3 for the Colts could easily be productive right away. If that is Gonzo, it won't take 5 years for him to have value.

First of all, Stokley was a vet, so it proves nothing about "right away".Second of all, of course the Colts WR3 could be productive IF MANNING THROWS FOR 49 TD's. The question is how productive the WR3 will be if Manning has the kind of numbers he's had during the other 90% of his career.And that's before you even get into the question of whether Gonzo has the talent to stick as the WR3 long term.

Below is a list of Colts passing yards vs. receiving yards for Harrison & Wayne:2006: 4397 - 2676 60.8%2005: 4191 - 2201 52.5%2004: 4732 - 2323 49.1%2003: 4289 - 2110 49.2%You can see that there is plenty of receiving yards on the Colts that DON'T go to Harrison or Wayne to allow for good numbers from a WR3. Last year seemed to be out of the norm for the % of yards going to those 2. I'm not saying that all of those extra yards are going to go to Gonzo, but he'll definitely be in the running.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Below is a list of Colts passing yards vs. receiving yards for Harrison & Wayne:2006: 4397 - 2676 60.8% 2005: 4191 - 2201 52.5% 2004: 4732 - 2323 49.1% 2003: 4289 - 2110 49.2% You can see that there is plenty of receiving yards on the Colts that DON'T go to Harrison or Wayne to allow for good numbers from a WR3. Last year seemed to be out of the norm for the % of yards going to those 2. I'm not saying that all of those extra yards are going to go to Gonzo, but he'll definitely be in the running.

The RBs on average are accounting for approximately 11-13% of the yardage production.The TEs on average are accounting for approximately 17-20% of the yardage production.So on average about 80-90% of the total production is coming from Harrison, Wayne, the RBs and the TEs. Do you really want to waste the #4 pick on a WR who at best will get 20% of Mannings yardage (which would be about 835) and that's only if there is no other WR who catches a ball on the roster beside Gonzalez, Harrison and Wayne. The only value Gonzalez has is if Harrison retires after 2007. If Harrison hangs around for 2, 3 or 4 more years by the time Gonzalez gets a shot a some serious PT with Manning, Manning will be what 34 or 35 and on the downside of his career.If I'm taking WR at #4, I'd rather take a shot with a guy like Dwayne Bowe who might actually be the teams #1 guys at some point in his career.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Answer:

"The best trade offer out there."

 

[j3r3m3y]

I remember when AC posts were in the AC forum.... good times.Hey guys, what should I have for breakfast tomorrow?

I'd go with the scrabled eggs.Answer mine?I'm 2 off the button with JTs and the UTG, an aggressive bully with a deep stack, makes it 4 times the blind. It's 100/200 in a $10 turbo SNG with 7 left. I've got 2500 and tired of being run over by this guy. Should I flat call, reraise all in, or fold?

re-raise all in bub!What do you guys think about Barry Bonds?

I think drafting him at the number 4 is a mistake.Think I should wash my car today?