Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
Who was it last week?Once a week, one WR will be sacrificed to Sherman. I think it will be Floyd next week but honestly I'm not sure.
Jarrett BoykinWho was it last week?Once a week, one WR will be sacrificed to Sherman. I think it will be Floyd next week but honestly I'm not sure.
Exactly. Now Seattle didn't suffer from it but why wouldn't you line your worst WR on him all day?Jarrett BoykinWho was it last week?Once a week, one WR will be sacrificed to Sherman. I think it will be Floyd next week but honestly I'm not sure.
Forget the fact that he has the least amount of passes thrown at him/ but most INT's in the NFL for the last two seasons.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.![]()
This is always my favorite from the people who hate Sherman. We could just as easily assert on this logic that Aaron Rodgers is clearly the worst QB in the league because he only used one side of the field while the other 31 QBs used the whole field.
I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Yes. I get that point.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Maybe not. But if he were capable of doing it why not do it? It allows you a significant advantage to isolate a CB on the teams best WR and leave the other 10 defenders to roam and create havoc. Perhaps Sea doesn't need him to do it because the unit is so good anyway. Understandable. But when other guys are asked to do it it's not really fair to penalize them for a much harder task.Yes. I get that point.But my point is that he isn't asked to cover one WR. He has a strong supporting cast and his DC doesn't game plan that way.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
What I'm trying to say is not being asked to do something doesn't equate to not being capable of doing it well.
I'm not sure the answer but I bet it isn't Sherman's decision.Maybe not. But if he were capable of doing it why not do it? It allows you a significant advantage to isolate a CB on the teams best WR and leave the other 10 defenders to roam and create havoc. Perhaps Sea doesn't need him to do it because the unit is so good anyway. Understandable. But when other guys are asked to do it it's not really fair to penalize them for a much harder task.Yes. I get that point.But my point is that he isn't asked to cover one WR. He has a strong supporting cast and his DC doesn't game plan that way.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
What I'm trying to say is not being asked to do something doesn't equate to not being capable of doing it well.
Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Yup....Patrick Peterson and revis both stayed on one side all game week 1.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Because then Seattle's all-world safeties can focus all of their attention on a much smaller field. The last four games they've shut down Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Kaepernick, and in the process held one of the best offenses ever to 8 points while winning a ring.Exactly. Now Seattle didn't suffer from it but why wouldn't you line your worst WR on him all day?Jarrett BoykinWho was it last week?Once a week, one WR will be sacrificed to Sherman. I think it will be Floyd next week but honestly I'm not sure.
It seems like you understand some of the basic concepts yes, but maybe you haven't watched enough of Seattle to really understand. Sherman makes Thomas just as much as the other way around. The reason WHY Thomas is free to roam is because Sherman has his side locked down at all times, he plays with very little help over top. Chancellor is amazing as well, but doesn't truly affect whether Sherman can do his job or not, he has more of an affect on Thomas.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
The stats say he is the best....what more you need?Maybe not. But if he were capable of doing it why not do it? It allows you a significant advantage to isolate a CB on the teams best WR and leave the other 10 defenders to roam and create havoc. Perhaps Sea doesn't need him to do it because the unit is so good anyway. Understandable. But when other guys are asked to do it it's not really fair to penalize them for a much harder task.Yes. I get that point.But my point is that he isn't asked to cover one WR. He has a strong supporting cast and his DC doesn't game plan that way.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
What I'm trying to say is not being asked to do something doesn't equate to not being capable of doing it well.
Sherman and Maxwell aren't that good because Thomas and Chancellor cover their backside. Thomas and Chancellor aren't that good because the line causes a lot of pressure. The line isn't that good because Sherman and Maxwell are so good in coverage it gives them lots of time.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
He should never get help over the top in cover 3. That is the scheme. He has deep 3rd. Thomas doesn't roam he covers his area of the zone as well but has the responsibility of reading the line and rolling downhill in run plays. They aren't remotely the same.It seems like you understand some of the basic concepts yes, but maybe you haven't watched enough of Seattle to really understand. Sherman makes Thomas just as much as the other way around. The reason WHY Thomas is free to roam is because Sherman has his side locked down at all times, he plays with very little help over top. Chancellor is amazing as well, but doesn't truly affect whether Sherman can do his job or not, he has more of an affect on Thomas.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Critical how? Like QBR against? Or INT/Target ratio? What exactly is your standard?
I've never once said the Safeties cover their backside. That's not how cover 3 works.Sherman and Maxwell aren't that good because Thomas and Chancellor cover their backside. Thomas and Chancellor aren't that good because the line causes a lot of pressure. The line isn't that good because Sherman and Maxwell are so good in coverage it gives them lots of time.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Nice points.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
That is my point. You are essentially proving why Sherman makes Thomas. :"Covers his area of the field" is roaming, when you are covering as much ground as Thomas does. It is a semantics thing, but regardless you are proving exactly why Sherman has just as much impact on Thomas, as Thomas does on Sherman. The part you are missing as much as the play cover 3, Thomas almost ALWAYS rolls to the right away from Sherman.He should never get help over the top in cover 3. That is the scheme. He has deep 3rd. Thomas doesn't roam he covers his area of the zone as well but has the responsibility of reading the line and rolling downhill in run plays. They aren't remotely the same.It seems like you understand some of the basic concepts yes, but maybe you haven't watched enough of Seattle to really understand. Sherman makes Thomas just as much as the other way around. The reason WHY Thomas is free to roam is because Sherman has his side locked down at all times, he plays with very little help over top. Chancellor is amazing as well, but doesn't truly affect whether Sherman can do his job or not, he has more of an affect on Thomas.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Critical how? Like QBR against? Or INT/Target ratio? What exactly is your standard?
I think you might have missed the point of that post just a little bit. Apologies if you thought it was hardcore football analysis.I've never once said the Safeties cover their backside. That's not how cover 3 works.Sherman and Maxwell aren't that good because Thomas and Chancellor cover their backside. Thomas and Chancellor aren't that good because the line causes a lot of pressure. The line isn't that good because Sherman and Maxwell are so good in coverage it gives them lots of time.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
I get it. Just think it's important to show how the scheme works. It's pretty critical to the point of why its hard to acknowledge Shurman as the best CB for many.I think you might have missed the point of that post just a little bit. Apologies if you thought it was hardcore football analysis.I've never once said the Safeties cover their backside. That's not how cover 3 works.Sherman and Maxwell aren't that good because Thomas and Chancellor cover their backside. Thomas and Chancellor aren't that good because the line causes a lot of pressure. The line isn't that good because Sherman and Maxwell are so good in coverage it gives them lots of time.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Not really because as I pointed out Thomas is far more critical to run responsibility, has more reads and has no sideline to help his coverage. The middle of the field is by it's very nature more difficult to cover. His job is more difficult and more important.That is my point. You are essentially proving why Sherman makes Thomas. :"Covers his area of the field" is roaming, when you are covering as much ground as Thomas does. It is a semantics thing, but regardless you are proving exactly why Sherman has just as much impact on Thomas, as Thomas does on Sherman. The part you are missing as much as the play cover 3, Thomas almost ALWAYS rolls to the right away from Sherman.He should never get help over the top in cover 3. That is the scheme. He has deep 3rd. Thomas doesn't roam he covers his area of the zone as well but has the responsibility of reading the line and rolling downhill in run plays. They aren't remotely the same.It seems like you understand some of the basic concepts yes, but maybe you haven't watched enough of Seattle to really understand. Sherman makes Thomas just as much as the other way around. The reason WHY Thomas is free to roam is because Sherman has his side locked down at all times, he plays with very little help over top. Chancellor is amazing as well, but doesn't truly affect whether Sherman can do his job or not, he has more of an affect on Thomas.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Critical how? Like QBR against? Or INT/Target ratio? What exactly is your standard?
The stats, the game flow, the opposing game plans, and the actual games won, all favor Sherman in this argument. You can try to spin away some rationale as to why Sherman is a less important cog in the system (he isn't), or that he is only asked to one basic thing (he isn't), but truly all it does is show your lack of understanding of Seattle's defense - maybe not from an x's and o's stand point, but in the way that it actually is put into action on the field.I get it. Just think it's important to show how the scheme works. It's pretty critical to the point of why its hard to acknowledge Shurman as the best CB for many.I think you might have missed the point of that post just a little bit. Apologies if you thought it was hardcore football analysis.I've never once said the Safeties cover their backside. That's not how cover 3 works.Sherman and Maxwell aren't that good because Thomas and Chancellor cover their backside. Thomas and Chancellor aren't that good because the line causes a lot of pressure. The line isn't that good because Sherman and Maxwell are so good in coverage it gives them lots of time.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.
But his run responsibilities have no bearing on how Sherman covers his WRs, and is somewhat ridiculous that you think that is even a salient point. We are talking about coverage here.Not really because as I pointed out Thomas is far more critical to run responsibility, has more reads and has no sideline to help his coverage. The middle of the field is by it's very nature more difficult to cover. His job is more difficult and more important.That is my point. You are essentially proving why Sherman makes Thomas. :"Covers his area of the field" is roaming, when you are covering as much ground as Thomas does. It is a semantics thing, but regardless you are proving exactly why Sherman has just as much impact on Thomas, as Thomas does on Sherman. The part you are missing as much as the play cover 3, Thomas almost ALWAYS rolls to the right away from Sherman.He should never get help over the top in cover 3. That is the scheme. He has deep 3rd. Thomas doesn't roam he covers his area of the zone as well but has the responsibility of reading the line and rolling downhill in run plays. They aren't remotely the same.It seems like you understand some of the basic concepts yes, but maybe you haven't watched enough of Seattle to really understand. Sherman makes Thomas just as much as the other way around. The reason WHY Thomas is free to roam is because Sherman has his side locked down at all times, he plays with very little help over top. Chancellor is amazing as well, but doesn't truly affect whether Sherman can do his job or not, he has more of an affect on Thomas.I understand it very well and the truth of the matter is that Thomas is the most critical piece to the Sea secondary, not Shurman. He has the far more difficult responsibility as he covers the center of the field and pretty much makes the cover 3 work. Not only that, but Sea doesnt just have the best S in the league, they have the best pair. Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7 and get by with not having to rush more than 4 on a consistent basis becaus their 4 can create pressure and you have a near utopia for a cover 3 CB. Sure Sherman plays his role outstandingly and he too is a big part of the overall unit. But when you compare guys who are the very best at their position you need to be a bit more critical IMO.Then why doesn't every team do it? This is the logical fallacy in this argument, if other CBs are so much better than Sherman, then why not ask them to do the same thing with the same results? As much as Thomas makes Sherman, Sherman makes Thomas, and other teams have very good to great FS so that can't be why. As good as the other CBs have been opposite Sherman, they have been relatively unheralded, so it isn't like Seattle is lining up star after star after star across from him. If it is so much easier for Sherman, the rest of the league will follow suit. As you can see, teams are already starting to do it. I don't think Peterson moved around NEARLY as much as years past, but I will bet you it doesn't matter a lick when it comes to his end of the year stats and QBR against.Sherman has shadowed players around the field before, notably Boldin in their first matchup last year. Boldin got 1 catch near the end of the game, in a decided blowout. It isn't like he is incapable. He is asked to one specific thing, and he does it better than large majority of players that have come before him at the position. Least targets, most INTs, if you think that is a fluke or by system design, you just don't understand the way Sherman plays the game. Peterson is a much more gifted individual physically, but he is no where near the CB that Sherman is.Because covering an area of the field, cover 3 the majority of the time, isn't nearly as hard as covering the leagues best WRs all over the field in man coverage.I just don't understand this argument.Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
I'm not saying Sherman is the best CB in the NFL, but why does having a strong "supporting" cast and a DC that keeps him on one side of the field equate to him not being as good? Do you think that if the DC had the defensive plan for him to move over the field he'd refuse to do it?
Critical how? Like QBR against? Or INT/Target ratio? What exactly is your standard?
Loaded with pro-bowlers in that front 7. How many was it this past year? How about the year before that?Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7
Can you even tell me what Shurmans first read is vs. Thomas first read is in their base D?The stats, the game flow, the opposing game plans, and the actual games won, all favor Sherman in this argument. You can try to spin away some rationale as to why Sherman is a less important cog in the system (he isn't), or that he is only asked to one basic thing (he isn't), but truly all it does is show your lack of understanding of Seattle's defense - maybe not from an x's and o's stand point, but in the way that it actually is put into action on the field.
I suggest you watch more Seattle games.
For years Casey Hampton was the most crucial player in Pitt to making their 3-4 scheme work yet he made 1 Pro Bowl. This doesn't really change anything. How many guys do they rotate in game in and game out?Loaded with pro-bowlers in that front 7. How many was it this past year? How about the year before that?Add to it that they have a top 5 front 7
Why bother? I don't really ####### care if he thinks he's the worst CB to ever play the game. Folks who actually have to throw at him have already made up their mind and have chosen elsewhere. The internet wizards will never be wrong in their own minds.Jerb,
Can you describe what Sherman does well, or perhaps what he does poorly? It would be cool to hear your perception of his play alone without referencing any other player. Could you focus on his skill set alone and describe that for us? TIA.
He's a great player with few weaknesses. I'd say his weakness is in turning his hips when in man coverage. Probably nitpicking. He's strength is his read and recognition of routes and QB drops while in his back pedal. He anticipates routes exceptionally well and clearly studies his WRs well. He's got good ball skills. He's very good at jamming at the LOS when he knows he is bailing into his deep 3rd. Uses his hands well. Not as good when jamming in man as he struggles to get his hips around and read the man, not the route/QB drop.Jerb,
Can you describe what Sherman does well, or perhaps what he does poorly? It would be cool to hear your perception of his play alone without referencing any other player. Could you focus on his skill set alone and describe that for us? TIA.
You're joking, right?Sherman stays on one side. He did not move to cover Jordy Nelson.Obviously it works for Seattle, but I don't get it. If I lined up on the right-side of the offense and Megatron was on the left, I'd get Sherman?
Therefore, the claims that he is the best corner in the league are patently false.
Yes, I think Peterson can do more than Sherman. Haden as well.jerb,
Are you of the opinion that Patrick Peterson is a better CB than Sherman?
CAN do more? Unfortunately none of what these guys do, is anywhere near as good as what Sherman does.Yes, I think Peterson can do more than Sherman. Haden as well.jerb,
Are you of the opinion that Patrick Peterson is a better CB than Sherman?
I ask this because I don't know. Would be curious to find out.Yes, I think Peterson can do more than Sherman. Haden as well.jerb,
Are you of the opinion that Patrick Peterson is a better CB than Sherman?
Not sure the totals. I know Calvin beat Peterson in 1 on 1 coverage.I ask this because I don't know. Would be curious to find out.Yes, I think Peterson can do more than Sherman. Haden as well.jerb,
Are you of the opinion that Patrick Peterson is a better CB than Sherman?
How many TDs did Peterson give up last year? And who exactly scored those TDs?
Who is Shurman?I find it kind of hilarious that Sea fans get so puffy about this Shurman thing. In reality you should be embracing just how good Thomas is.
Haha, exactly.Who is Shurman?I find it kind of hilarious that Sea fans get so puffy about this Shurman thing. In reality you should be embracing just how good Thomas is.