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Who else is convinced the Colts draft either WR or RB at #27? (1 Viewer)
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
We're 4 picks away, what do you think now?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I was hoping for Nicks, but I will take Brown and be happy.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
LOL, come back Switz !!! I'm not the type of guy who rubs things in, so let me say that I hope you learn from this and get stronger in the future. I'm sure you will because I know you really try hard.
HellToupee
Footballguy
and Steven Jackson is washed up
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
So, who thinks the Colts take either a WR or DT in rd 2? My guess is the best value will be WR, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a DT. Anyone want to slam me on this one? 
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millertyme1
Footballguy
Agreed. Just not as weak as Addai.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised with any of these 4:LBDTWRDBMy guess is LB or DB. I'm not sure they're comfy with Marlin's recovery.So, who thinks the Colts take either a WR or DT in rd 2? My guess is the best value will be WR. Anyone want to slam me on this one?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
So Switz, how do you feel about Addai now? My guess is that you won't be anywhere to be found unless Addai step forward and makes one last stand at being worthy as a RB. We both know that even if he does this it will be short lived. My advice to you is to take your lumps and admit to the FBG world that you don't know anything about the Colts and maybe salvage some sort of dignity you may have.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I believe you've made your point. Next...
pizzatyme
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
good call Hoss
Suprised it wasnt Wells
Suprised it wasnt Wells
I'm not sold on this being all doom and gloom on Addai. I think the Colts are realizing that they just don't have the depth to NOT have to depend on Addai for 25 carries a game. I'm pretty disappointed in that I thought Hart really could be the quality part-timer that Addai obviously needs. I'm pretty shocked at 2 first round RB's now on the squad. I think it's overkill. Unless we hear something about Addai's health being really off, I still think he's going to be a 1000 yrd and 10 TD guy this coming season. If Brown really impresses, yeah, it could be the quick end off Addai and the Colts.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I'll be ready to switch to Brown when he gets his first rush over 23 yards in a game. He'll then equal Addai's total from the last 2 seasons!
Went back and watched as much (quickly) youtube video I could pull on Brown. Then I watched some Addai video, both LSU and Colts. I'll go on record and say I think this was a horrible pick. Brown is a 2nd or 3rd round back....at best. Unless Addai is just not healthy, or has just lost all desire to play football at the NFL level ( hey, this can and does happen....so, who knows? ) there is no way Brown is taking the lion share of carries.
I really need to start hearing some info on the guy in camp. Looks like a pretty good pass catcher, dances even more than Addai on a bad day, has much less lower body strength and lean, coming off a season where he was just ridden into the ground, doesn't have elite long speed, and I'm seeing little-to-no pass blocking assignments (just unknown to me). UConn doesn't look to be an overly complicated playbook, and really played against some awful competition this past season. The "good" teams on their schedule were all somewhat down, no?
Then I go watch Addai vs. a bunch of SEC defenses. Plays with power and passion, good lean, good cuts, great hands, above average vision. Then I watch 06 and 07 film..and I see the same things vs. NFL defenses. I'm really not sure what to make of his '08 and future. He's an enigma at this point...I just don't think anyone would be wise to write him off until we get some knowledge and info from camps. /shrug....do as you will. That's my $0.02.
I really need to start hearing some info on the guy in camp. Looks like a pretty good pass catcher, dances even more than Addai on a bad day, has much less lower body strength and lean, coming off a season where he was just ridden into the ground, doesn't have elite long speed, and I'm seeing little-to-no pass blocking assignments (just unknown to me). UConn doesn't look to be an overly complicated playbook, and really played against some awful competition this past season. The "good" teams on their schedule were all somewhat down, no?
Then I go watch Addai vs. a bunch of SEC defenses. Plays with power and passion, good lean, good cuts, great hands, above average vision. Then I watch 06 and 07 film..and I see the same things vs. NFL defenses. I'm really not sure what to make of his '08 and future. He's an enigma at this point...I just don't think anyone would be wise to write him off until we get some knowledge and info from camps. /shrug....do as you will. That's my $0.02.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Brown is a 1-cut back. Addai has been auditioning for Dancing With the Stars
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harrycarey
Footballguy
You know anything about Powers, Taylor or Collie?
az_prof
Footballguy
Maycock was right with almost all his predictions yesterday. The guy clearly has very good contacts in NFL war rooms.
djcolts
Footballguy
Powers - typical cover-2 corner - probably a nickel back.Taylor - very strong - stout against the run, not much in terms of pass rush.Collie - productive in college - can return kickoffs - possibly future slot receiver.
switz
Footballguy
Well, I still believe the first two item in the list. But I also knw, team only drafts an RB in the first round if they expect him to play.So I'll eat my crow... I believe Addai's contract expires at the end of this season. If he doesn't perfomr very well this year, it's probably his last as a Colt.I don't think Brown is the answer, so if Addai stinks it up, they'll probably take another RB next year.
switz
Footballguy
You have no clue.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I don't have any skin in this game and I haven't seen Brown run a lot, but I say
because I like someone who goes into the "discovery" phase with an open mind and comes to a conclusion (especially one against the grain) and states it!My limited opinion view is that Addai is a capable back (but not great) and Indy would have been better suited getting a weapon for Manning that is a big upgrade such as a WR or huge weapon out of the backfield to catch (a Sproles type of guy). Unless Addai is injured and they expect this to be his last year, I was surprised Indy didn't grab one of the receivers.
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switz
Footballguy
See 2008 draft - Kevin Smith. Same type of RB.Polian and Caldwell have already said Brown was drafted to complement Addai, not supplant him. They felt Brown had tremendous upside though, and I wouldn't be surprised if he pans out, that Addai is allowed to walk after this season. However, that's a big IF in my opinion. I don't think Brown is going to be very good.
kneeshooter
Footballguy
Don't understand this - didn't LeSean McCoy play against the same defenses, and you don't hear this knock against him? How about last year, with Forte, Chris Johnson and Kevin Smith? I don't remember them carrying this around either and they played in non-BCS conferences. Not saying the Big East is murderer's row, but they do house some pretty good defenses (South Florida, Pitt, Cincinnati). Also keep in mind that UConn had absolutely no passing game - zero. The QB that played last year just signed a FA contract with Jacksonville - to play TE. In the Bowl game against Buffalo (noted), UConn attempted six passes all game, and Brown still ran for 240. Whereas the UConn playbook may not have been that complicated, it worked against them as opposing defense knew to load up against the run. It didn't matter. In addition, the Colts have a long history of succes with their first round picks. Faulk, Harrison, Manning, Wayne, Edge, Freeney, Dallas Clarke, Addai, Anthony Gonzalez all were first rounders in semi recent years. That's a pretty good track record. Something to keep in mind.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You shouldn't be saying anything right now Mr
You know the old saying, it's one thing to have others think you're a fool, but it's quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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switz
Footballguy
You might want to take your own advice on that...You shouldn't be saying anything right now Mr
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You were the one that was so sure they wouldn't draft a RB in rd 1 and took a hardline on it, and I have no clue?You might want to take your own advice on that...You shouldn't be saying anything right now MrYou know the old saying, it's one thing to have others think you're a fool, but it's quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
switz
Footballguy
You have no clue about me. You don't know me at all. I might have been wrong about the Colts taking an RB, but I'm not on here calling out the Colts, making an #### out of myself. I admitted I was wrong about the Colts draft, but hell - go look at ANY mock draft out there, and tons of people are wrong about who is going to take what player or position. Wow - guess that means I'm pretty much just like everyone else. I get some right, I get some wrong.You're the one on here calling someone out, talking trash - about what? You were wrong too... you said they'd take Hood if he was available, they didn't. You said they'd take McCoy or Hicks - both of them were available and they didn't take either.You were the one that was so sure they wouldn't draft a RB in rd 1 and took a hardline on it, and I have no clue?You might want to take your own advice on that...You shouldn't be saying anything right now MrYou know the old saying, it's one thing to have others think you're a fool, but it's quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Neither one of us were right.
Abrantes
Footballguy
You were the one that was so sure they wouldn't draft a RB in rd 1 and took a hardline on it, and I have no clue?You might want to take your own advice on that...You shouldn't be saying anything right now MrYou know the old saying, it's one thing to have others think you're a fool, but it's quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Whatever happened to Mr. I Don't Like To Rub It In? 
super sleeper
Footballguy
I'm sure there were threads last year saying the Steelers wouldn't draft a RB in the first round. Every year produces surprises. That's why it's silly to ever say a team will "definitely" not do something. And I love a good bit of crow-eating as much as the next guy, but it's pretty pathetic when others try to rub their noses in it. Have some class. The old posts speak for themselves.
Just out of curiousity, what makes you think Brown will not be good? I only saw two games of him in college (the bowl game and the game against Louisville) and in both of those games he ran for like 200 and at least 1 score. He was silly good and looked to be the best player on the field in those two games. Admittedly that is an incredibly limited dataset to judge an individual on, but it is all that I have at this point. I am guessing you saw more UConn games and saw some pretty big weaknesses?You compared him to Kevin Smith and perhaps that is what he is, but the guy that came to my mind if you think he may bust would be Troy Davis out of Iowa State. I recall he ran for over 2000 yards his last year, and he was pretty much a monster in college but ended up being worthless as a pro. As I recall, Davis was relatively small, but I can not say for sure and I do no think that Brown is.I am definitely interested in hearing what it is about Brown that does not seem like he will be successful.switz said:
TheFanatic
Footballguy
You see this as a plus in terms of his running ability, as do I, but I also see this as a negative elsewhere. Tells me that he was not asked to pass block much. If he can't pick up the blitz he is not going to see the field. First time he lets Manning get hit the guy is going straight to the bench and will have the hardest week of practice he has ever had. Also tells me that the plays he is familiar with involve being handed the ball and running for daylight. He needs to be able to pick up the blitz, then break out into a pass pattern and understand his assignment on just as many, if not more, pass plays than run plays. I'm not saying the kid can't do that or learn that but it will keep him off the field if he doesn't.He's sort of the bizzaro Addai. Addai blocks really well and is an excellent receiver out of the back field but is not the best runner. Brown is a really good runner, but doesn't pass block all that well and is likely going to have some issues picking up the complex passing system in Indy. Of the three items I list above as needed by a Indy RB which would you say is the most important?kneeshooter said:
HellToupee
Footballguy
switz said:
what's the deal with all of your signatures?
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