Who gets Colston's production? (1 Viewer)

[jbird]

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Who get's Colston's production if he is out for any games?

As posted in the Colston injury thread Henderson has problems dropping balls and Copper has problems fumbling balls. In one PPR league, the last 3 weeks results have been Henderson - 26, 0, 26 and Copper - 3, 21, 21. I believe Horn was injured 3 weeks ago and Colston went off.

Henderson has shown that he can pick up the slack as the #2 WR. My question is - is he now a true #2 WR if Colston is out, does Copper get some play, or are they both equal options?

Personally, I'm inclined to go with Henderson but the zero 2 weeks ago when both Horn and Colston were healthy concerns me as Copper got 21. I guess I'm concerned about picking up one of them up, inserting him into my flex position and cranking out a goose egg.

Admittedly I don't know much about either of these receivers but I know Brees has a tendency to throw for more than 300 yards per game and Horn and Bush can't each get 150 yards receiving per week if Colston is out, right?

Any insight will be appreciated.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

If this post is a Honda then please direct me to this dicussion as the Search funtion came up with nothing.Who get's Colston's production if he is out for any games? As posted in the Colston injury thread Henderson has problems dropping balls and Copper has problems fumbling balls. In one PPR league, the last 3 weeks results have been Henderson - 26, 0, 26 and Copper - 3, 21, 21. I believe Horn was injured 3 weeks ago and Colston went off.Henderson has shown that he can pick up the slack as the #2 WR. My question is - is he now a true #2 WR if Colston is out, does Copper get some play, or are they both equal options? Personally, I'm inclined to go with Henderson but the zero 2 weeks ago when both Horn and Colston were healthy concerns me as Copper got 21. I guess I'm concerned about picking up one of them up, inserting him into my flex position and cranking out a goose egg.Admittedly I don't know much about either of these receivers but I know Brees has a tendency to throw for more than 300 yards per game and Horn and Bush can't each get 150 yards receiving per week if Colston is out, right?Any insight will be appreciated.

Is Copper any more likely to play than Colston? I thought I heard he was injured too (but that was a day or so ago).

 

[BeTheMatch]

I may be wrong here, but it seems like Copper is Horn's backup and Henderson is Colston's backup. That's why Copper was in there when Horn was hurt earlier and why Henderson got a lot more balls last week when Colston got hurt.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I realize Brees has been a HUGE part in the increase in passing game in NO. That said, I don't think either guy gets the production. In other words, Colston is responsible for a large part of his results. I'm not sure I'd count on anyone else on that team to "get" his numbers, or even close. Donte Stallworth is better than Henderson and Copper, and he didn't approach these results, albeit with a different QB

 

[Joe Bryant]

If this post is a Honda then please direct me to this dicussion as the Search funtion came up with nothing.Who get's Colston's production if he is out for any games? As posted in the Colston injury thread Henderson has problems dropping balls and Copper has problems fumbling balls. In one PPR league, the last 3 weeks results have been Henderson - 26, 0, 26 and Copper - 3, 21, 21. I believe Horn was injured 3 weeks ago and Colston went off.Henderson has shown that he can pick up the slack as the #2 WR. My question is - is he now a true #2 WR if Colston is out, does Copper get some play, or are they both equal options? Personally, I'm inclined to go with Henderson but the zero 2 weeks ago when both Horn and Colston were healthy concerns me as Copper got 21. I guess I'm concerned about picking up one of them up, inserting him into my flex position and cranking out a goose egg.Admittedly I don't know much about either of these receivers but I know Brees has a tendency to throw for more than 300 yards per game and Horn and Bush can't each get 150 yards receiving per week if Colston is out, right?Any insight will be appreciated.

Hi jbird,From our game recaps this week:

WR Devery Henderson, Rec: 9 - 169 - 0 (12 targets) After the injury to Marques Colston, Henderson really was able to come up big. He was clearly the player that replaced Colston. In two WR sets, it was Joe Horn and Henderson on the field. Copper came in when they needed a third WR. Despite dropping two passes totaling around 60 yards, Henderson was able to hang onto enough passes to post a career best 169 yards through the air. Henderson was consistently open all over the field - deep down the sideline, out routes, crossing routes, etc. He simply played catch with Drew Brees for the better part of three quarters. He is also one of the few Saints’ receivers who didn’t put up the majority of his production during garbage time. While several others put up half of their stat log when the game was out of hand, Henderson caught just one pass for 21 yards in garbage time (meaning he had eight receptions for 148 yards when the outcome was still in question). If Colston is going to miss any time, it appears that Henderson will be the primary beneficiary in the offense.

J

 

[Restricted]

I don't see why Brees wouldn't look toward the veteran all-pro Horn more nut if I had to chose between the two I say it looks like Henderson, just from the previous games.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I think you have to factor in something else here, though. Colston has been the team's top WR all year. The gameplan obviously heavily involves him as the primary WR, and his stats back that up. When he got hurt, Henderson replaced him and was the beneficiary of filling the primary role in that week's game plan. But if Colston is known to be out this week, even if Henderson replaces him, I think the gameplan would likely be altered significantly to maybe feature Horn more.

 

[jbz]

I realize Brees has been a HUGE part in the increase in passing game in NO. That said, I don't think either guy gets the production. In other words, Colston is responsible for a large part of his results. I'm not sure I'd count on anyone else on that team to "get" his numbers, or even close. Donte Stallworth is better than Henderson and Copper, and he didn't approach these results, albeit with a different QB

If Brees continues to throw up yardage numbers at this rate, then someone has to get the production. You dont just spread around 300+ yards every week without someone benefiting from it. I agree that it is unlikely Henderson or Copper turn into Colston if he's out, but each of their production naturally has to go up if they are replacing him in an offense that is pumping out 300 yards passing like nothing. Using Donte Stallworth in this discussion is useless since it's a completely different QB and offensive system. I'd think Copper would get less looks as he's had some untimely drops/fumbles the past two weeks.

 

[Troutfarmer]

From AOL Sports:

11/21/06 11:08 AM

THE NEWS

Marques Colston isn't the only Saints wide receiver with an injured ankle. The New Orleans Times-Picayune reported on Tuesday that Terrance Copper is also nursing an ankle injury. His status for Sunday's game against the Falcons won't be determined until later in the week.

Our View

If Copper and Colston both sit out, that would leave Joe Horn and Devery Henderson as the starters. Copper started ahead of Henderson when Horn missed two games earlier this season.

 

[Bri]

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Who get's Colston's production if he is out for any games?

As posted in the Colston injury thread Henderson has problems dropping balls and Copper has problems fumbling balls. In one PPR league, the last 3 weeks results have been Henderson - 26, 0, 26 and Copper - 3, 21, 21. I believe Horn was injured 3 weeks ago and Colston went off.

Henderson has shown that he can pick up the slack as the #2 WR. My question is - is he now a true #2 WR if Colston is out, does Copper get some play, or are they both equal options?

Personally, I'm inclined to go with Henderson but the zero 2 weeks ago when both Horn and Colston were healthy concerns me as Copper got 21. I guess I'm concerned about picking up one of them up, inserting him into my flex position and cranking out a goose egg.

Admittedly I don't know much about either of these receivers but I know Brees has a tendency to throw for more than 300 yards per game and Horn and Bush can't each get 150 yards receiving per week if Colston is out, right?

Any insight will be appreciated.

Hi jbird,From our game recaps this week:

WR Devery Henderson, Rec: 9 - 169 - 0 (12 targets)

After the injury to Marques Colston, Henderson really was able to come up big. He was clearly the player that replaced Colston. In two WR sets, it was Joe Horn and Henderson on the field. Copper came in when they needed a third WR. Despite dropping two passes totaling around 60 yards, Henderson was able to hang onto enough passes to post a career best 169 yards through the air. Henderson was consistently open all over the field - deep down the sideline, out routes, crossing routes, etc. He simply played catch with Drew Brees for the better part of three quarters. He is also one of the few Saints’ receivers who didn’t put up the majority of his production during garbage time. While several others put up half of their stat log when the game was out of hand, Henderson caught just one pass for 21 yards in garbage time (meaning he had eight receptions for 148 yards when the outcome was still in question). If Colston is going to miss any time, it appears that Henderson will be the primary beneficiary in the offense.

J

METAIRIE, La. - Terrance Copper only caught eight passes in his two seasons with the Dallas Cowboys under the tutelage of then-passing game coordinator Sean Payton.With all the recent injuries to the New Orleans Saints' receiving corps, Payton has given Copper the opportunity that one might have thought would have gone to Devery Henderson.

In the last two games, Copper has caught 12 passes for 179 yards and two touchdowns. But what most people remember are the two costly fumbles in the Saints' two consecutive losses. He, along with every other Saints receiver, had problems holding on to the ball.

Payton said the turnovers committed by Copper were disappointing as both occurred as the Saints were driving and both occurred while he was catching the ball over the middle. But Payton still has confidence in Copper.

"If you felt like there was a player not playing that was better than him, you'd consider that," Payton said. "I think he's given us some juice on special teams. He's done some good things on offense. At some point, those turnovers have to go away or you have to look at that, but I know Terrance well... . It's not like Terrance Copper's turnovers are the entire cause."

Copper tweaked his ankle in Sunday's loss to the Cincinnati Bengals. This makes the receiver depth even thinner as rookie standout Marques Colston may not play this week against the Atlanta Falcons with a high left ankle sprain. Joe Horn is also coming back from a groin injury.

Michael Lewis, Jamal Jones and practice squad player Lance Moore likely will receive more reps in practice this week with the health of Colston and Copper in question

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/spo...ts/16072362.htm

Joe, Payton and this guy's opinion combined(gotta love that combo) seem to disagree. Before I read that I'd have said similarly and picked up Devery this week. Now....

 

[Bri]

Brees from NolaTP

He's having a great season. We like to rotate receivers in to keep guys fresh. With Marques out, Devery was playing full time, Copper was playing a lot, so we got into a situation where those guys were running a lot."

 

[guderian]

The answer to the original question of whether Henderson or Copper pick up the stats if Colston is out is "both". Henderson has been the deep threat and his yardage totals have benefitted from connecting on some deep passes. Copper does more work underneath and in the middle of the field.

Payton's MO seems to be to have the game plan and plays designed around players. Colston is a unique player because of his great hands and ability to use his body and make tough catches in traffic as well as the speed to beat defenders on deeper passes. So, I don't think either player will step into Colston's role, but I think that the game plan will change.

As I noted on Henderson though, his yardage totals depend heavily on connecting on deep passes. If they connect on 2 deep passes he'll have a great game, if the don't connect his numbers will be pedestrian at best.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'd say the answer is neither. Neither of those two brings to the table the skillset that Colston does. If they did, they'd be lighting the league on fire like Colston is. That's like saying that Kevin Curtis gets Torry Holt's production if Holt goes down.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Reggie Bush..mark my word.

 

[Sabertooth]

Reggie Bush..mark my word.

Reggie Bush is two words :rimshot:

 

[Sidewinder]

The answer to the original question of whether Henderson or Copper pick up the stats if Colston is out is "both". Henderson has been the deep threat and his yardage totals have benefitted from connecting on some deep passes. Copper does more work underneath and in the middle of the field.

Payton's MO seems to be to have the game plan and plays designed around players. Colston is a unique player because of his great hands and ability to use his body and make tough catches in traffic as well as the speed to beat defenders on deeper passes. So, I don't think either player will step into Colston's role, but I think that the game plan will change.

As I noted on Henderson though, his yardage totals depend heavily on connecting on deep passes. If they connect on 2 deep passes he'll have a great game, if the don't connect his numbers will be pedestrian at best.

At Tampa 3 weeks ago, both of Henderson's TD catches were on deep throws out of the slot. Last week vs Cincy, alot of his yardage was after the catch on shorter crossing routes, and mostly on passes that IMO would have been to Colston had he been in.I've heard them say numerous times that they prefer having Devery play the WR3, mostly out of the slot because he has some trouble getting off the line. Cincinnati didn't jam him much last week, so he was able to run free most of the time right into his pattern. If he starts at the 2nd WR this week, I suspect the Atlanta corners will be tight at the LOS on him all day -- if he handles it well, he should have another good day.