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Who goes #1 in rookie drafts? (1 Viewer)

Bryant or Mathews? Spiller?

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The Real Hipster Doofus

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Assume 12 team PPR, standard in every other way (ie no return yardage).

Does Mathews landing spot push him ahead of Dez?

What does Spiller landing in Buffalo do to his value?

 
Matthews is likely to have the biggest impact in 2010.

However, long term in a PPR format, on a prolific offense, I love Dez Bryant. He should be gold for years.

 
As for Spiller... its almost as if people were looking for a reason to downgrade him. I think lots of people picking 1, 2, or 3 will use Buffalo as an excuse to get someone they really wanted more than Spiller to begin with. I think he will slide outside of the top 3 in a lot of drafts.... especially when we see who Seattle, Houston, Washington, and Tampa Bay draft.

 
I know most people are on the Ryan Mathews bandwagon now that he is with the Chargers- and they traded up to get him to boot. However, in a PPR Dynasty format I would still go with Dez Bryant over Ryan Mathews. While I think Mathews will be a good running back, he missed games every year of his college career so durability could be an issue and I am not so sure his pass catching and protection abilities are as good as some are making him out to be.

Bryant is an amazing physical speciman, displaying great hands, body control, and leaping ability. He lands in a great situation, with a team that has a good QB and some other elite offensive weapons which will allow him time to develop and not have to be the sole focus of the offense. I know he has some character concerns, but think he has the making of beings something special.

 
CaptainCrunch said:
Bryant is an amazing physical speciman, displaying great hands, body control, and leaping ability. He lands in a great situation, with a team that has a good QB and some other elite offensive weapons which will allow him time to develop and not have to be the sole focus of the offense. I know he has some character concerns, but think he has the making of beings something special.
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:lmao: he goes to a team with a top QB and mentors available including the guy he got in trouble for. Unless you (not you in particular) think Deion is a bad influence, I don't see how anyone wouldn't like this fit. Sure Austin is the #1 WR for the next year or two but there's plenty of room for Dez to produce and less pressure for him to do so when the team has Austin and Witten. I planned to take Dez unless he wound up in Oakland, Cleveland or Detroit. Mathews going to San Diego is a nice fit but I'll take the ubertalented WR with some potential problems over a RB I don't see ever being a top 5, maybe not top 10 in PPR. They're equal enough that lineups make a huge difference though, if forced to start 2 RBs and only 3 WRs, I can see taking Mathews just due to positional scarcity but in my leagues with more flexible lineups, it's DEZ.
 
As an owner of the 1.02 I am happy with either one. Actually I am kind of glad someone else will make my decision for me, I would have a tough time deciding between the two.

 
Off-shoot question: How many RBs into a non-PPR re-draft fantasy league draft would you roll the dice on Mathews? :lmao:

 
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Choke said:
JohnnyU said:
Choke said:
Mathews. Easy.
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How can you say that? Bryant's situation is just as good as Mathews and probably better. I don't see Mathews being a top 10 back in a PPR league, but I do see Bryant being a top 10 WR in a PPR league.
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I think Mathews will carry teams to title games within 4 years.He is going to have a couple years of crazy numbers in that offense.

Bryant is fine, but there are more obstacles in a WRs path then a RBs, particularly a top RB in a top offense.

And while Bryant is also in a top offense, there are only so many balls to go around.

So he is really going to have to be "all that" and outshine Austin and Witten. Thats not an easy road.

For me, its an easy pick.
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You don't think SD passing attack affects Mathews? Sproles? Also, IMO Mathews is good at everything, but great at nothing. You go with the more talented player and that is Bryant, especially in that offense.
 
Choke said:
JohnnyU said:
You don't think SD passing attack affects Mathews?

Sproles?
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The passing attack helps Mathews tremendously. Think of Edge landing in Indy. (though not quite that prolific -- that was extra special)

A super bowl caliber offense that lands a big talented rookie back.

Sproles? Sproles? I laugh at Sproles.

As far as Mathews being average at everything? ....and great at nothing.

No. 2 things... he has phenomenal vision. It really is terrific. And he is decisive at attacking daylight towards the goalline from wherever he is on the field.
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I see Mathews as a 2 down back as long as Sproles is there. That won't produce top 10 numbers.
 
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at 1.1 i want quality that i know should produce.

to me that is matthews. bryant is way too much of a boom/bust pick.

 
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
As an owner of the 1.02 I am happy with either one. Actually I am kind of glad someone else will make my decision for me, I would have a tough time deciding between the two.
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I could be in your boat. I have the 1.1 but in my league we have a lottery for the first overall. I have 4 chances to get it. But one guy has the 2, 3, and 4 which get 3, 2, and 1 chances at it giving him a 60% chance at getting the first overall. I'm OK with not having the 1.1. I'm not sure who I would take...
 
JohnnyU said:
Choke said:
JohnnyU said:
You don't think SD passing attack affects Mathews?

Sproles?
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The passing attack helps Mathews tremendously. Think of Edge landing in Indy. (though not quite that prolific -- that was extra special)

A super bowl caliber offense that lands a big talented rookie back.

Sproles? Sproles? I laugh at Sproles.

As far as Mathews being average at everything? ....and great at nothing.

No. 2 things... he has phenomenal vision. It really is terrific. And he is decisive at attacking daylight towards the goalline from wherever he is on the field.
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I see Mathews as a 2 down back as long as Sproles is there. That won't produce top 10 numbers.
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Yeah, a 2-down back can never produce top 10 numbers.Btw, who's this Adrian Peterson guy I keep seeing up near the top of FF scoring lists? It's got to be the guy from the Bears, right? Because the one from the Vikings was only a 2 down back.

Do the Bears also have a guy named Michael Turner?

 
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I don't see how it's even a discussion. Mathews every day of the week and twice on Sunday (the day he normally plays, in fact).

 
No tebow option? haha

I went with Mathews....this is easy.

And to Johnny who says he is a 2 down back.....let's say sproles does get all the 3rd downs.

I would say that prolific SD offense gets more 2 downs that the Bills would get 3 downs, etc.

I also like mathews and sproles getting the 3rd downs....then Bryant having an established #1 across from him, Witten in the middle, 3 solid Rb's that catch the ball, roy williams, and a still questioned work ethic.

 
Matthews. Very safe pick...near lock for 1100 yds. and 7 Tds w/ upside. Dez is more talented but you'll have to wait a year or two. Spiller creates a new debate if Lynch is traded, though.

 
I think CHOKE hit it on the head.

Basically, opportunity is a big thing here. The Chargers have said they see Matthews as a 3 down back and I think they supported that statement by trading up so far to ensure they got him. An every down back is a rare thing and the Chargers are one of the few remaining teams that clearly liked that system when they had LT. We have seen what LT did in that role. Not comparing the players directly, just saying the opportunity IS there.

For Dez, we have seen what the Cowboys did with a similar player in T.O. (again, not comparing the players directly). But with Dallas, this is a better team now than back then with more mouths to feed.

Overall, in a ppr or not, I think I will be taking Matthews (I have a 1.01 in a league) because I am sure he will get the ball fed to him and will produce on that team. It seems safer as I anticipate Matthew's value being very high after this year if he basically just goes out and does what he is reasonably expected to. Bryant, on the other hand, could be Randy Moss and have great value..On the other hand, he could just as easily have a typical "good rookie WR" season and still be a "will be great...someday" player. (maybe like Calvin was).

 
Mathews non-PPR

Mathews PPR

Safest pick in the rookie draft, IMO. I could possibly see Best or Spiller putting up better years at times in PPR leagues since both could be catching a lot of passes, but over the long haul I see Mathews as a very solid and steady pro.

 
I have the 1.01 and 1.02 in a 12team ppr...so I'm all good on this debate...take both :moneybag:

but if I had to choose I'd go with Matthews mainly because potential 3 down backs in a great offence are so rare ...not to mention valuable....but dez is a close second...I might have put him higher, but romo is 30...if dez takes 2-3 yrs to fully develop...he will have an older Romo for his prime.

I also have the 1.05 and 1.06...it will be interesting to see who falls there.

 
In a fantasy format I think Mathews has to be 1.1. He can cement that spot if the Chargers address their glaring holes on the O-line in today's and tomorrow's drafts. There was a reason SD was 31st in rushing offense last year and it wasn't all because of an aging Tomlinson. The O-line was wrought with injury and the right side was just awful. So Mathews lands in a good spot but he needs the horses in front of him. Keep close watch on the rest of the Chargers draft to see if they give him some support.

 
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In a fantasy format I think Mathews has to be 1.1. He can cement that spot if the Chargers address their glaring holes on the O-line in today's and tomorrow's drafts. There was a reason SD was 31st in rushing offense last year and it wasn't all because of an aging Tomlinson. The O-line was wrought with injury and the right side was just awful. So Mathews lands in a good spot but he needs the horses in front of him. Keep close watch on the rest of the Chargers draft to see if they give him some support.
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DansRams said:
I have the 1.01 and 1.02 in a 12team ppr...so I'm all good on this debate...take both :lmao:but if I had to choose I'd go with Matthews mainly because potential 3 down backs in a great offence are so rare ...not to mention valuable....but dez is a close second...I might have put him higher, but romo is 30...if dez takes 2-3 yrs to fully develop...he will have an older Romo for his prime.I also have the 1.05 and 1.06...it will be interesting to see who falls there.
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You think Mathews plays 3 downs with Sproles still in SD?
 
Matthews plays mostly 2 downs in year one to acclimate him to a long season (including play-offs). Sproles can have the 3rd downs, return duties, and then be a free agent next year.

 
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DansRams said:
I have the 1.01 and 1.02 in a 12team ppr...so I'm all good on this debate...take both :thumbup:

but if I had to choose I'd go with Matthews mainly because potential 3 down backs in a great offence are so rare ...not to mention valuable....but dez is a close second...I might have put him higher, but romo is 30...if dez takes 2-3 yrs to fully develop...he will have an older Romo for his prime.

I also have the 1.05 and 1.06...it will be interesting to see who falls there.
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Very flawed reasoning imo.
 
Garts said:
I like Best in DET.
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He landed in a nice spot. I'm not a big fan of him being a huge fantasy asset, but he's in a great position to make the most of his ability.Best of all, the Lions got another offensive weapon
 
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two points.

1. if you thought Dez had more talent than any rookie coming in to the draft, why are you now selecting Matthews based on his landing spot?

2. see point 1.

 
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