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Who is the best coach in the NFC West? (1 Viewer)
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm not sure how you could really justify it not being Jeff Fisher unless you use potential and prognostications of success based on some early success.
If Jim Harbaugh has the type of success he's had in the NFL for the next 20 years, it is him. But if Jim Harbaugh retired today, said he just doesn't want to coach anymore then he doesn't go down as a better coach than Fisher.
So I voted Fisher because he currently would go down in history as a better coach but in my heart, I think Harbaugh will end up with more accolades than Fisher when it's all over.
If Jim Harbaugh has the type of success he's had in the NFL for the next 20 years, it is him. But if Jim Harbaugh retired today, said he just doesn't want to coach anymore then he doesn't go down as a better coach than Fisher.
So I voted Fisher because he currently would go down in history as a better coach but in my heart, I think Harbaugh will end up with more accolades than Fisher when it's all over.
adrenaline
Footballguy
I think he's asking who the best coach currently is, not who's had the best career. Fisher definitely has had the longer career. If I owned a team today I would want Harbaugh.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Carroll had a 6 game improvement over 3 years.
Fisher's team won 15 games over the preveious 5 years he was there...and he went 7-8-1 the first year.
I think he did something good the first year and agree that he needs to do more.
Carroll took over a team that had 2 down years after being a perennial playoff team.
And now has had one very good year and looks set to keep that up.
Tau837
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
The cowboy fan seems to be relying on historical success. Maybe it's cultural.
Most HOF worthy is Fisher, easily.
Best coach right now I think is Harbaugh but I wouldn't be shocked to see the rams in the playoffs this year thanks to Fisher.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Right now, Harbaugh. 24-7-1 and a Super Bowl appearance in his first two seasons with a franchise that hadn't had a winning season since 2002.
Fisher is perpetually a good to very good head coach, but never great.
Carroll appears to have the Seahawks on the right track, but he only has a winning season in one of his last four NFL seasons, so let's not jump the gun too quickly on him.
Fisher is perpetually a good to very good head coach, but never great.
Carroll appears to have the Seahawks on the right track, but he only has a winning season in one of his last four NFL seasons, so let's not jump the gun too quickly on him.
drummer
Footballguy
Harbaugh has won with players he inherited. Given the FO, coaching, and overall rebuild that took longer than it should since 2002 has to have consideration when compared to Carroll. Had Carroll taken over the 49ers in 2011 (he was considered by the Yorks a few years earlier) that team probably would had made the playoffs.Ghost Rider said:
I'm giving my nod to Fisher, because he is doing more with less compared to what SF and SEA has as far as roster.
nirad3
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I could be FUBAR but we're in a society where we put too much emphasis on the very recent must be the best. Several years ago there were people talking that Kobe was better than Jordan, just a few years later now Lebron is better. When Mike Tyson was young and knocking everyone out, guys were saying he was better than Ali.FUBAR said:
Harbaugh is a good young coach, I can't argue against that but I'd take Fisher. Harbaugh had a lot to work with when taking over that young team. Since you threw the Cowboys into the mix, this 49er team was no 1-15 team that Jimmy Johnson took over and turned into a dynasty.
I have no beef with anyone who says Harbaugh, but I still believe sportsfans get caught up in everything and everyone isnthe best now thing and forget recent history. To be a good handicapper in horse racing, you have to be willing to throw out a past performance if warranted and see some back class, I think that's the case here.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
very
. I voted Harbaugh before reading this, it's a comparison of Harbaugh's potential to keep up the initial success vs. what Fisher has already shown which is consistent success with the talent he has had. Also Fisher's style is not flashy in any sense whereas Harbaugh is in your face, so on field success aside, Harbaugh will garner much more attention in the media as well going forward whereby overstating his success to a certain degree.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
It just says who's the Best coach in the NFC West, not currently or in the past so to me it's everything on the table. If Coach B in New England has a couple bad years and skinny in NY wins their division 2 years in a row, are we going to say he's the better coach "now."
To me you have to look at everything, Fisher's success isn't that far removed to where he is not the same guy.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
good point also, as many have stated already I guess where the Rams go from here will be a major factor.
adrenaline
Footballguy
The last time Fisher had a winning season was 2008, Randy Moss had 13 TDs in 2009. Is Moss a better WR than A.J. Green? I know, you're thinking I'm comparing apples & oranges. The NFL game evolves as fast as players age, what worked for Fisher with a different group of guys in 2008 may not work now.It just says who's the Best coach in the NFC West, not currently or in the past so to me it's everything on the table. If Coach B in New England has a couple bad years and skinny in NY wins their division 2 years in a row, are we going to say he's the better coach "now."
To me you have to look at everything, Fisher's success isn't that far removed to where he is not the same guy.
biju
Footballguy
As a Seahawks fan I would have a very hard time saying anyone other than Fisher to this point. I think even with a losing record last year the Rams did more with way less and they are improving at a rapid rate. As mentioned before, Harbaugh inherited a very good team with a previously awful HC. He's done more than what I'd expect a "better-than-average" coach would do which is put his team in the Superbowl (and also *almost* in the 'Bowl in 2011).
I think Carroll has really expanded upon a unique Defense that might end up revolutionizing the CB position and finally turned a mid-2000s finesse team into a tough, physical team. But at the same time I really think the transformation there has been just as much John Schneider, who helped turn this team from a couple of ok players into a pretty stacked roster. I'll reserve my gloating about the Seahawks until they actually do something with all this talent--they have to be feeling some pressure and it will be interesting how a young team responds to it all.
I think Carroll has really expanded upon a unique Defense that might end up revolutionizing the CB position and finally turned a mid-2000s finesse team into a tough, physical team. But at the same time I really think the transformation there has been just as much John Schneider, who helped turn this team from a couple of ok players into a pretty stacked roster. I'll reserve my gloating about the Seahawks until they actually do something with all this talent--they have to be feeling some pressure and it will be interesting how a young team responds to it all.
Tau837
Footballguy
It doesn't ask which coach has had the best career. It asks which coach is the best coach. Two different things. Your answer addressed which has had the best career, not which is the best coach. Maybe you worded it poorly if you really meant to say Fisher is the best coach right now.It just says who's the Best coach in the NFC West, not currently or in the past so to me it's everything on the table. If Coach B in New England has a couple bad years and skinny in NY wins their division 2 years in a row, are we going to say he's the better coach "now."
To me you have to look at everything, Fisher's success isn't that far removed to where he is not the same guy.
And
at comparing Fisher to BB.
drummer
Footballguy
Last season head to head the Rams tied and won against the 49ers, both in OT. The 49ers piled up points and yards against teams like NYJ and BUF with Smith behind center. The Rams took Smith out in the first game, and even facing Kaep after two consecutive 30+ point games held them to only 13 points in the second game.very
Fisher's doing something right in STL, although I do agree what he does this next season will be a better barometer going forward.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
I took the question to mean which coach would you want for your franchise right now. I chose Harbaugh. I have always thought of Fisher as a very good coach as well, but Harbaugh's success is pretty freaking astounding. He has been tremendously successful at every level. Jumping from USD (where he led the school to their first 2 Pioneer League titles in school history) to a Stanford program that had gone 16-40 in the 5 seasons prior and turning them into a conference power by the time he left after the 2010 season impressed me. But more than that, he turned Stanford, a program that was rarely, if ever, considered a physical team, into a bunch of bullies. Stanford was (and still is) successful playing a fierce, smashmouth style due in great part to his work with them. And all he's done in his 2 years in the NFL is take a franchise that last had a winning season in 2002 and take them to the NFC Championship game one season and the Super Bowl the next, doing so with different quarterbacks. If I owned an NFL team and could hire any coach from the NFC West, it would be Harbaugh.
Same... Look at what he has done with the Hawks... complete 180 and he only has 8 votes?
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
Fisher took a team who has been in the running for the top pick for 3 out of 4 years and immediately transformed the into practically a 500 team. He turned the O and D from terrible to above average. On top of that, the Rams beat up Sea and SF all year.
drummer
Footballguy
In fairness to Singletary, he was only 12 points from the 49ers have an 11-5 season. With a lesser team and Jimmy Raye.
3optic
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
What a difference a year makes! Pete Carroll has done a great job in coaching Seattle. I don't know what word I would describe Pete Carroll?
But after watching him more this year than others, I guess Energetic, Motivated, Relentless.
I think I always knew Word 1, you can just see it when you look at him. Then Word 2 set in for me when you listen to him speak, you can just tell how into his team, his organization, how committed to winning he his. Then something I did not learn until this year is Word 3, relentless. He kind of looks like a nice guy, but he surprises me in that he is a killer. He wants to destroy you and he'll tear you apart if you let him. No matter the score, he is into every facet. of the game.
He now becomes just the 3rd coach in NFL history to win a National Championship and a Super Bowl behind Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer, both Cowboys of course.
by_the_sea_wannabe
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i would still vote Harbaugh, so no difference for me.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Interesting. How do you not take the past into consideration? Hypothetically if Vince Lombardi was raised from the dead to coach the Raiders this year, would Mike McCoy be the better coach?
Silly, I know, but don't you have to take into account what coaches have done in the past with similar offenses, schemes, personnel, and what they adopt or install or tweak based on previously successful formulae?
At the same time as we shouldn't just compare all-time win percentage of these coaches to determine the best one, surely what they've done in the past that applies to their current situation comes to play here?
