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Who is the best WR to own or WR1 in Miami? (1 Viewer)
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Not that I'm targeting him, but of the group listed, I'd have to go with Mike Wallace. He may end up being a steal at his ADP. But the thing I'm wary of is that he tends to go off at random and stink up the joint the next game. I'd feel more comfortable with him at his ADP in best ball formats. None of the other options on the Dolphins excite me unless we are at the tail end of drafts or scouring the waiver wires.
abbottjamesr
Footballguy
I really like Mike Wallace this year at his current ADP. He put respectable numbers last year (73/930/5) working only half the field. The O-line has been improved this off-season which should let him run some longer routes and he is playing in more spots as well. At his current ADP in the 8th round I think you could get a real bargain WR2.
Phenix
Footballguy
I agree.Hartline had his best ever season with 4 TDs last year after having the previous three seasons of 1 each. 5 years and 9 TDs is not a go to WR. With a new OC that moves Wallace around it seems Wallace is without question the guy to own, a very few think differently according to the poll.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Voted Wallace. I have no idea if Lazor can do what Kelly did in Philly, but if he does bring some semblance of the "Philly offense" to MIA my guess is that Wallace is DJax. Hartline certainly has deep speed but Foles thrived on finding DJax deep and in those wide open spaces. Maybe Hartline is the Cooper there. Or is it the other way around?
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Phenix
Footballguy
You totally read the question wrong, the question was #1 WR in Miami.
Who voted for Matthews, that vote needs an explanation.
As Steven A. would say, "Put your face and name to that mess."
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In a 12 team league, by definition there will only be 12 WRs putting up WR1 numbers - I think most people have Wallace ranked outside the top 12 WRs so I don't think it's a revolutionary position to take that he's not a WR1. The thing is we all need to fill out our rosters with WR2s, WR3s etc. - the pendulum has swung on Wallace making him a great value pick.
cstu
Footballguy
Wallace's ADP is WR31 and Hartline's is WR59.
Hartline is far more likely to out-perform his ADP than Wallace.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
The question is ambiguous, and the first part of it does indeed imply that this is the question:
Who is the best WR to own
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
I voted Hartline, but that is based partly on ADP, and partly on the chemistry he seems to have with Tannehill. While I understand that Sherman's offense did not play well to Wallace, why is the assumption that Hartline was also not negatively effected? Would it be outlandish for Hartline to also improve on his 2013 numbers?
WagesOfZin
Footballguy
best WR to own is wallace. his ceiling compared to his current ADP is slobber worthy. outside of wallace and clay, i won't be targeting any miami receivers. i'm looking for higher upside than that when i start throwing darts.
Phenix
Footballguy
Wallace should be a Top 20 WR based on opportunity and lack of other options alone. During the draft you are looking for safe production with tons of opportunity and a high ceiling. Wallace is that guy at WR3 value.
The guy who was swearing up and down and insisting Hartline is a better WR to own in Miami has been nowhere in this thread yet he visits here often.
Would love for him to lay out his story here since it was his idea to ask FBG about this. He is obsessed with starting polls to get others thoughts, especially on this site.
My assumptions this would be an embarrassing landslide are true and that is what is keeping him from posting.
The guy who was swearing up and down and insisting Hartline is a better WR to own in Miami has been nowhere in this thread yet he visits here often.
Would love for him to lay out his story here since it was his idea to ask FBG about this. He is obsessed with starting polls to get others thoughts, especially on this site.
My assumptions this would be an embarrassing landslide are true and that is what is keeping him from posting.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Phenix
Footballguy
Yes, but he wanted me to start this poll for thoughts since he loves polls. Sorry for confusion. I dont blame Rolling_akg for not wanting to put his face behind his Hartline thoughts.
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B. Nugget
Footballguy
In my 12 team ppr dynasty league I'm in a win-now window, but I was hurting for startable WRs (start RB, WR, TE, 4 flex) and I asked about Wallace, trying to buy low as many teams have TONS of WRs rostered because you can start 4 each week.
I got him for pick 2.09 and a 2015 2nd...I feel that is a small price to pay for a younger guy that can score on any given play with this speed.
I don't think anyone questions that he had a bad year and didn't live up to the expectations, but he did put up almost 1,000 yards and 5 TDs on 73 catches in a putrid offense and finished at WR27 in my league a whole 2.3 points out of WR24 and WR2 status.
The way I see it, he had 1,100+ yards and 8 TDs on 72 catches in 2011, if I can get something in between those 2 seasons out of a similar number of catches, it gets him to around 220 points and nets me a top 15-20 WR or similar to Keenan Allen's point total from last year, anything more is just gravy...that is worth the gamble of two late 2nds, IMO.
His perception is WR3/4, but his production is very likely to be WR2+. I have a feeling that the time to buy him at a good price is quickly going to dry up and at that point, Hartline could be a better ADP value, but doesn't present the upside, which is why I think Wallace is definitely the guy and maybe the biggest bargain WR out there right now.
I got him for pick 2.09 and a 2015 2nd...I feel that is a small price to pay for a younger guy that can score on any given play with this speed.
I don't think anyone questions that he had a bad year and didn't live up to the expectations, but he did put up almost 1,000 yards and 5 TDs on 73 catches in a putrid offense and finished at WR27 in my league a whole 2.3 points out of WR24 and WR2 status.
The way I see it, he had 1,100+ yards and 8 TDs on 72 catches in 2011, if I can get something in between those 2 seasons out of a similar number of catches, it gets him to around 220 points and nets me a top 15-20 WR or similar to Keenan Allen's point total from last year, anything more is just gravy...that is worth the gamble of two late 2nds, IMO.
His perception is WR3/4, but his production is very likely to be WR2+. I have a feeling that the time to buy him at a good price is quickly going to dry up and at that point, Hartline could be a better ADP value, but doesn't present the upside, which is why I think Wallace is definitely the guy and maybe the biggest bargain WR out there right now.
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Phenix
Footballguy
I think Clay will be #2 or 3 in targets on the team. For TEs overall he was the 7th most targeted TE from what I recall.
Keep your eyes on Jarvis Landry this upcoming training camp. He has a golden opportunity to be the starting slot WR...and eventually bump Hartline out in 2015.
No way Miami pays Hartline in 2015 unless he takes a big pay cut.
Wallace is the guy to own this year. He will be heavily involved all over the field this upcoming season. I pray and hope Lazor get's this offense going in the right direction with a better and vastly improved OL (again hope on the OL as well). Mike Sherman was the absolute worst play caller to ever don a head set for the Dolphins. He rivaled Tony Sprano and The Moustache!
No way Miami pays Hartline in 2015 unless he takes a big pay cut.
Wallace is the guy to own this year. He will be heavily involved all over the field this upcoming season. I pray and hope Lazor get's this offense going in the right direction with a better and vastly improved OL (again hope on the OL as well). Mike Sherman was the absolute worst play caller to ever don a head set for the Dolphins. He rivaled Tony Sprano and The Moustache!
Casting Couch
Footballguy
It's obviously Mike Wallace this year, but I think the real value lies with Jarvis Landry in dynasty leagues.
Lazor doesn't need to bring Kelly as much as just avoid being as pitiful as Sherman at playcalling. It was very predictable. Add in the OL improvement and I am a buyer on Wallace at his ADP.SaintsInDome2006 said:
Hartline is harder to tell, I get the sense Gibson and Landry cut into his production this year.
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Sweet Love
IBL Representative
For 2013, it was the following:Phenix said:
Wallace - 141
Hartline - 134
Clay - 102
I was shocked Clay had so much less than the other two, but Phenix is correct, Clay was in fact the 7th most targeted TE. Interestingly, only Jimmy Graham had more targets among TEs than what Hartline received...it's Hartline, baby, AAAALLLL Hartline!
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Hartline might be the single most under-rated player in all of FF (assuming PPR). WR27 and WR24 the last two years and he's pretty close to free in most formats. Not a ton of upside, but I'll take him as a WR4 / bye week guy all day, at WR6 or lower prices.
B. Nugget
Footballguy
I understand that people are jumping on Hartline as a value play because he is finishing top 24, had a bunch of targets, etc... at the end of the year. I mean, you have to acknowledge that he has been super consistent and put up almost an identical stat line 2 years in a row with TDs jumping from 1 to 4.
2012: 74/1083/1
2013: 76/1016/4
I get it, he is safe and CHEAP.
But how can you say Hartline is the one to own, when Wallace, who put up a very similar stat line is being thrown around in forums like he is worthless and people all off-season saying to take what you can get for him after his disappointing season?
By the way, that disappointing season consisted of 73/930/5
One did what he does and finished WR24, the other "sucks" and finished with 3 catches and 86 yards less while scoring one more TD as he transitioned to a new team and finished WR27 2 points behind the other...it seems like only one offers the upside to not be a "bye week filler guy/WR4" and will make a difference on your team and that is Wallace, IMO.
2012: 74/1083/1
2013: 76/1016/4
I get it, he is safe and CHEAP.
But how can you say Hartline is the one to own, when Wallace, who put up a very similar stat line is being thrown around in forums like he is worthless and people all off-season saying to take what you can get for him after his disappointing season?
By the way, that disappointing season consisted of 73/930/5
One did what he does and finished WR24, the other "sucks" and finished with 3 catches and 86 yards less while scoring one more TD as he transitioned to a new team and finished WR27 2 points behind the other...it seems like only one offers the upside to not be a "bye week filler guy/WR4" and will make a difference on your team and that is Wallace, IMO.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Don't disagree with this at all. If price isn't taken into account, I'd prefer Wallace pretty easily. But Hartline is a hugely safe bet to just absolutely CRUSH his ADP in terms of value. Wallace in the 7th as a WR3 vs Hartline in the 15th as a WR6 (per MFL early ADP)? Give me both, actually, but Hartline is more of a no brainer IMO.
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