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Who is the better overall player RGriff or Kaypernic? (1 Viewer)

meatwad1

Footballguy
I think Kaypernic has way more potential long term, but RGriff has better weapons. It is sort of a hard choice, if you had to make it.

 

Peeps Inc.

Footballguy
dude seriously, you couldn't of looked up his name first if you weren't sure how to spell it. na #### it run it out there babe

 

Sweet Love

IBL Representative
both out of the league in 3 years imo
What he said.

K-stink vs RG the TURD? I'll choose neither.
It is an interesting subject as a whole, when you consider the spread QBs out there. Teams may be fortunate that these guys fizzle before their their rookie contracts are up, but the subject as to whether the spread will last beyond next year is worth discussion. I believe (off the top of my head), the only team that will really be snake-bitten by this are the Skins (they traded up in the early first to get RGIII). If Kap does not pan out, SF paid no more than the Jets did for Geno and Clemmons and the Eagles did for Kolb.

 

mbuehner

Footballguy
both out of the league in 3 years imo
What he said.

K-stink vs RG the TURD? I'll choose neither.
It is an interesting subject as a whole, when you consider the spread QBs out there. Teams may be fortunate that these guys fizzle before their their rookie contracts are up, but the subject as to whether the spread will last beyond next year is worth discussion. I believe (off the top of my head), the only team that will really be snake-bitten by this are the Skins (they traded up in the early first to get RGIII). If Kap does not pan out, SF paid no more than the Jets did for Geno and Clemmons and the Eagles did for Kolb.
Manning, Brees, Brady, etc all run the spread offense. Its the read-option thats been figured out. It worked great last year because teams were unprepared for it. Now, they take that away, bring heavy pressure and force these young QBs to read the coverage and get the ball out to hot receivers with timing and accuracy. They havent been able to do it so far. If a defense tried to play that against Peyton Manning, he'd score 10 touchdowns. All these gimmicks come and go, but one thing never changes- QBs that can read, react, and get the ball out quickly and accurately thrive in every system. Those that cant do it get revealed sooner or later. Case and point- Nick Foles vs Michael Vick.

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.

 

doowain

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You all forget that these two QBs have less than 2 full seasons of work under their belt (18 regular season starts for CK and 26 for RGIII). In addition, RGIII is clearly playing at less than 100%. Without his legs, his game takes a huge hit. And Kaepernick is playing without his top WR on what has been the 2nd most successful running team since 2011.

Entirely too early to write them off.

FWIW, Andrew Luck hasn't been much better (in fact, he's only been "better" than both in one category- TDs)....so where is the hate for him?

Luck - 58.5% 2,593YDS 15TD 7INT 84.3RAT 262RUSHYDS 4TD

RG3 - 59.9% 2,841YDS 14TD 11INT 81.9RAT 367RUSHYDS 0TD

Kaep - 56.7% 2,037YDS 14TD 7INT 86.6 RAT 355RUSHYDS 3TD

 
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JohnnyU

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
Manning and Elway looked terrible for most of their rookie season, even if Peyton set rookie records. I believe he had 26 INTs too. It's too early to label these guys.

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You all forget that these two QBs have less than 2 full seasons of work under their belt (18 regular season starts for CK and 26 for RGIII). In addition, RGIII is clearly playing at less than 100%. Without his legs, his game takes a huge hit. And Kaepernick is playing without his top WR on what has been the 2nd most successful running team since 2011.

Entirely too early to write them off.

FWIW, Andrew Luck hasn't been much better (in fact, he's only been "better" than both in one category- TDs)....so where is the hate for him?

Luck - 58.5% 2,593YDS 15TD 7INT 84.3RAT 262RUSHYDS 4TD

RG3 - 59.9% 2,841YDS 14TD 11INT 81.9RAT 367RUSHYDS 0TD

Kaep - 56.7% 2,037YDS 14TD 7INT 86.6 RAT 355RUSHYDS 3TD
What percentage of RGIII's stats came in the 3rd & 4th quarters when down by +10?

 

STEADYMOBBIN 22

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
Manning and Elway looked terrible for most of their rookie season, even if Peyton set rookie records. I believe he had 26 INTs too. It's too early to label these guys.
Fair point but Peyton and Elway played in more pro styled pass centric offenses. RGIII has been used for his legs his entire young career.

And for the hundredth time, if you want to turn RGIII into a pocket passer, why not draft a guy who is already proficient at passing?

In order for RGIII to be a threat he MUST run to establish that threat so his receivers are freed up after the PA. He he runs he WILL get hurt.

 

fatness

against the grain
Ask in 3 more years. You can have a pretty solid idea of how good or bad a QB is after 5 years.

 

fatness

against the grain
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You all forget that these two QBs have less than 2 full seasons of work under their belt (18 regular season starts for CK and 26 for RGIII). In addition, RGIII is clearly playing at less than 100%. Without his legs, his game takes a huge hit. And Kaepernick is playing without his top WR on what has been the 2nd most successful running team since 2011.

Entirely too early to write them off.

FWIW, Andrew Luck hasn't been much better (in fact, he's only been "better" than both in one category- TDs)....so where is the hate for him?

Luck - 58.5% 2,593YDS 15TD 7INT 84.3RAT 262RUSHYDS 4TD

RG3 - 59.9% 2,841YDS 14TD 11INT 81.9RAT 367RUSHYDS 0TD

Kaep - 56.7% 2,037YDS 14TD 7INT 86.6 RAT 355RUSHYDS 3TD
What percentage of RGIII's stats came in the 3rd & 4th quarters when down by +10?
What % of Luck's stats came when the Colts were getting blown out? If you're trying to make a point, make it across the board.

 

fatness

against the grain
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You're the guy who wants to trade Tony Romo, Demarco Murray, and draft picks to get Johnny Football.

Id honestly trade Romo, Murray and a 2nd for whatever pick nets you Johnny Football. I believe Manziel is Tony Romo WITH the clutch attribute.
 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You're the guy who wants to trade Tony Romo, Demarco Murray, and draft picks to get Johnny Football.

Id honestly trade Romo, Murray and a 2nd for whatever pick nets you Johnny Football. I believe Manziel is Tony Romo WITH the clutch attribute.
Yes.

 

STEADYMOBBIN 22

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You all forget that these two QBs have less than 2 full seasons of work under their belt (18 regular season starts for CK and 26 for RGIII). In addition, RGIII is clearly playing at less than 100%. Without his legs, his game takes a huge hit. And Kaepernick is playing without his top WR on what has been the 2nd most successful running team since 2011.

Entirely too early to write them off.

FWIW, Andrew Luck hasn't been much better (in fact, he's only been "better" than both in one category- TDs)....so where is the hate for him?

Luck - 58.5% 2,593YDS 15TD 7INT 84.3RAT 262RUSHYDS 4TD

RG3 - 59.9% 2,841YDS 14TD 11INT 81.9RAT 367RUSHYDS 0TD

Kaep - 56.7% 2,037YDS 14TD 7INT 86.6 RAT 355RUSHYDS 3TD
What percentage of RGIII's stats came in the 3rd & 4th quarters when down by +10?
What % of Luck's stats came when the Colts were getting blown out? If you're trying to make a point, make it across the board.
Um, the Colts are 7-4. While the Colts have been behind, they weren't comically behind. Unlike Bob, he won a couple of his games.

 

fantasycurse42

Footballguy Jr.
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You're the guy who wants to trade Tony Romo, Demarco Murray, and draft picks to get Johnny Football.

Id honestly trade Romo, Murray and a 2nd for whatever pick nets you Johnny Football. I believe Manziel is Tony Romo WITH the clutch attribute.
Yes.
They might be able to land Johnny Football with 16th - 18th pick anyways.

 
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fantasycurse42

Footballguy Jr.
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You all forget that these two QBs have less than 2 full seasons of work under their belt (18 regular season starts for CK and 26 for RGIII). In addition, RGIII is clearly playing at less than 100%. Without his legs, his game takes a huge hit. And Kaepernick is playing without his top WR on what has been the 2nd most successful running team since 2011.

Entirely too early to write them off.

FWIW, Andrew Luck hasn't been much better (in fact, he's only been "better" than both in one category- TDs)....so where is the hate for him?

Luck - 58.5% 2,593YDS 15TD 7INT 84.3RAT 262RUSHYDS 4TD

RG3 - 59.9% 2,841YDS 14TD 11INT 81.9RAT 367RUSHYDS 0TD

Kaep - 56.7% 2,037YDS 14TD 7INT 86.6 RAT 355RUSHYDS 3TD
What percentage of RGIII's stats came in the 3rd & 4th quarters when down by +10?
What % of Luck's stats came when the Colts were getting blown out? If you're trying to make a point, make it across the board.
Um, the Colts are 7-4. While the Colts have been behind, they weren't comically behind. Unlike Bob, he won a couple of his games.
Outside of the 2nd half of the Houston game, Luck has looked terrible since Wayne went down.

 

fatness

against the grain
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You're the guy who wants to trade Tony Romo, Demarco Murray, and draft picks to get Johnny Football.

Id honestly trade Romo, Murray and a 2nd for whatever pick nets you Johnny Football. I believe Manziel is Tony Romo WITH the clutch attribute.
Yes.
So a Cowboys fan is ranking on the Redskins young QB while fantasizing about the Cowboys having their own young QB. Now I understand your Griffin hating.

 

doowain

Footballguy
Nooooo noooo noooo, RGIII is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's what you ALL told me last year when you laughed me off the board.

Validation feels sooooo good.
You all forget that these two QBs have less than 2 full seasons of work under their belt (18 regular season starts for CK and 26 for RGIII). In addition, RGIII is clearly playing at less than 100%. Without his legs, his game takes a huge hit. And Kaepernick is playing without his top WR on what has been the 2nd most successful running team since 2011.

Entirely too early to write them off.

FWIW, Andrew Luck hasn't been much better (in fact, he's only been "better" than both in one category- TDs)....so where is the hate for him?

Luck - 58.5% 2,593YDS 15TD 7INT 84.3RAT 262RUSHYDS 4TD

RG3 - 59.9% 2,841YDS 14TD 11INT 81.9RAT 367RUSHYDS 0TD

Kaep - 56.7% 2,037YDS 14TD 7INT 86.6 RAT 355RUSHYDS 3TD
What percentage of RGIII's stats came in the 3rd & 4th quarters when down by +10?
What % of Luck's stats came when the Colts were getting blown out? If you're trying to make a point, make it across the board.
Um, the Colts are 7-4. While the Colts have been behind, they weren't comically behind. Unlike Bob, he won a couple of his games.
Outside of the 2nd half of the Houston game, Luck has looked terrible since Wayne went down.
Exactly. So why so much hate for Kaep when he's been playing without his #1 for the entire season?

 

fantasycurse42

Footballguy Jr.
Exactly. So why so much hate for Kaep when he's been playing without his #1 for the entire season?
If Gore catches a pass that hits him in the hands in NO, the 49ers are 8-3 & nobody is hating on Kaep. Crabtree should be back this week too!

 
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doowain

Footballguy
What % of Luck's stats came when the Colts were getting blown out? If you're trying to make a point, make it across the board.
Um, the Colts are 7-4. While the Colts have been behind, they weren't comically behind. Unlike Bob, he won a couple of his games.
Comically behind is subjective.

They trailed at the half to the Texans (21-3), Rams (28-0), Cardinals (27-3) and Titans (17-6). All of those are comically behind IMO.

Outside of the Broncos and Seahawks games (ironically vs. two of the better defenses in the league...albeit at home), he's not been that good.

Sure, Kaep and RGIII deserve to take some lumps for their performance based upon expectations this year. My point is that Luck deserves just as much.

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22

Footballguy
What % of Luck's stats came when the Colts were getting blown out? If you're trying to make a point, make it across the board.
Um, the Colts are 7-4. While the Colts have been behind, they weren't comically behind. Unlike Bob, he won a couple of his games.
Comically behind is subjective.

They trailed at the half to the Texans (21-3), Rams (28-0), Cardinals (27-3) and Titans (17-6). All of those are comically behind IMO.

Outside of the Broncos and Seahawks games (ironically vs. two of the better defenses in the league...albeit at home), he's not been that good.

Sure, Kaep and RGIII deserve to take some lumps for their performance based upon expectations this year. My point is that Luck deserves just as much.
Unlike 95% of all people I admit when I'm wrong.

I agree that's being comically behind. Luck has stunk as of late.

I still stand behind my prediction of RGIII- I won't go as far as to say he's a bum, but he's more Devin Hester then Montana. He is only effective as a runner who passes and will either get injured running or benched for his passing.

 

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