Who is the front runner to win the NFL MVP? (1 Viewer)

[fridayfrenzy]

Drew Brees

Team record: 12-0

Passing yards: 3,536

Passing TDs: 29

Passing Ints: 10

Passer Rating: 111.3

Peyton Manning

Team record: 12-0

Passing yards: 3,685

Passing TDs: 25

Passing Ints: 11

Passer Rating: 101.9

Brett Favre

Team record: 10-2

Passing yards: 3,149

Passing TDs: 26

Passing Ints: 5

Passer Rating: 108.5

Chris Johnson

Team record: 5-7

Rushing yards: 1,502

Rushing YPC: 6.2

Receptions: 39

Receiving yards: 322

Total TDs: 10

 

[craxie]

Philip Rivers

Team record: 9-3

Passing yards: 3,311

Passing TDs: 21

Passing Ints: 6

Passer Rating: 104.9

Not the absolute best stats, but very respectable

However you have to consider that the chargers have no defense, no rushing game and no special teams, Rivers is the only thing holding this together

team rushing:

NOR: 4.7

MIN: 4.3

IND: 3.9

SDG: 3.4

team defense (points allowed):

IND: 184

MIN: 203

SDG: 219

NOR: 221

 

[FUBAR]

I went with Favre over Brees, but it's close. I'm guessing when it's close, voters will choose Favre and the story.

 

[kaa]

Philip Rivers

Team record: 9-3

Passing yards: 3,311

Passing TDs: 21

Passing Ints: 6

Passer Rating: 104.9

Not the absolute best stats, but very respectable

However you have consider that the chargers have no defense, no rushing game and no special teams, Rivers is the only thing holding this together

team rushing:

NOR: 4.7

MIN: 4.3

IND: 3.9

SDG: 3.4

team defense (points allowed):

IND: 184

MIN: 203

SDG: 219

NOR: 221

The Chargers remind me of how many franchises in recent years assemble great teams but it seems their GREATEST regular season edition fails to win the ring. And then its that road-warrior edition that comes out of nowhere to knock off several big teams to finally take the title.Patriots: The 2007 edition went 16-0 but failed to win the Super Bowl. The 2001 edition stunned multiple opponents, including toppling the Steelers in Pittsburgh, to win it all.

Steelers: The Steelers had powerful teams in both 2001 and 2004. #1 seeds. Neither one won a ring. But it was their 11-5 wild card #6 seed that won a ring.

Colts: Their 2005 edition went 14-2 and had HFA...and never even won a playoff game. The 2006 edition was realtively unheralded but they won a big road game at Baltimore and eventually won it all.

Now we come to the Chargers. The Chargers best regular season team was their 2006 edition that went 14-2 and had HFA. Didn't even win a playoff game. And that's just like the Patriots, Steelers, and Colts. But maybe things are lining up for them this year. They are on a roll. The team that will have HFA is the Colts, and the Chargers own the Colts in the playoffs.

So maybe something like this happens:

#3 Chargers beat #6 Jaguars

#5 Broncos beat #4 Patriots

#1 Colts beat #5 Broncos

#3 Chargers beat #2 Bengals

#3 Chargers beat #1 Colts

Is this really that far-fetched? We're asking the Chargers to beat the Jaguars and Bengals to reach Indianapolis where they face a Colts team they completely own to reach the Super Bowl?

 

[kaa]

I'll vote Rivers as well.

 

[djcolts]

Brees would win MVP now. Chris Johnson would win OPOY now. I don't think that'll change. I said Brees would end up being MVP before the Pats game - and it is coming together for him. There really isn't anything stopping him now IMO.

 

[jon_mx]

I think it is Brees that wins it. Manning would, but his stats are really going to fall off. Farve is in third place, and I think he stays there even if he ends up with better stats than Manning. Most people see Minn as a playoff team without Farve, while NO and Indy are outside looking in without them, and in the end that is how voters vote for MVP. I think most people around the league still consider Manning to be the MVP.

 

[The Kerminator]

I think it's Brees then Manning. Then Favre, Rivers, and Rodgers. Favre will get votes because it's "Favre". I'd be really interested to see this poll with no names and just the stats.

Johnson will get Offensive Player of the Year and Favre Comeback Player of the Year.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I'd be really interested to see this poll with no names and just the stats.

Why? That would be useless. This award is for MVP, not best looking stats.

 

[sho nuff]

Brees....has the better numbers overall...and the wins.

Rivers is starting to creep into the picture, but still is behind Manning and Favre at this point IMO...and Chris Johnson.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think it should be Chris Johnson, but will be Drew Brees. The MVPs that Manning and Favre have already won will work against them in the end IMO.

 

[Todem]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

 

[switz]

Should be Manning - who are his WRs again? Manning and Brees both would be deserving, but I think NO is a better overall team, that has won games by running the ball, whereas Manning IS the Colts.

ETA - I think COY comes down to Payton and Caldwell as well. Both coaches have done absolutely amazing jobs given the injury situations they've had to deal with.

 

[wildbill]

I'm not saying this is enough to earn an MVP, but Manning did cause a future Hall of Fame coach to go for it on 4th and 2 from his own 28 with a six point lead and two minutes left in the game.

 

[CrossEyed]

Brees by a whisker over Manning.

 

[Jason Wood]

It's honestly too close to call. The winner will be determined by what happens this last month, and I'm betting it'll be Brees b/c he hasn't won before and I can't see the Saints taking the foot off the pedal with the Vikes right up against them for home field.

Agreed that Johnson really has no shot at MVP on a 5-7 team especially if he's not squarely in sight of 2,000 yards rushing.

 

[Your Mom]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

 

[Jason Wood]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

Favre may well be the MVP, depends on whether the Colts and Saints come back to the pack at all over the last month. Rivers could, as well, win the award although he needs a LOT of help.

 

[radballs]

Manning. Without him that team isn't .500.

 

[rvmblack]

Talk to me after 17 weeks. I don't care after 13 weeks

 

[Mainevent]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

What puts Rivers in 3rd ahead of Favre?Less TD passes? More ints? Less wins? I fail to see why you would want to exclude Favre from the discussion while including Rivers... Minni is not winning the division with TJax or Sage at the helm. Put your bias aside and bring something worthwhile to the table.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

I'm not a Favre guy, but he only has 6 turnovers this year, while Brees has 14.

 

[Chaka]

You might as well remove Chris Johnson. He's having a great season but MVPs seldom (if ever) come from non-playoff teams.

Why are there no defensive players on your list? Jared Allen & Elvis Dumervil deserve serious consideration for MVP.

From your list it's a coin toss between Brees & Manning.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Should be Manning - who are his WRs again? Manning and Brees both would be deserving, but I think NO is a better overall team, that has won games by running the ball, whereas Manning IS the Colts.

ETA - I think COY comes down to Payton and Caldwell as well. Both coaches have done absolutely amazing jobs given the injury situations they've had to deal with.

Some 2 bit 3 time Pro Bowler named Wayne might still play there but I would have to check.

 

[saintsfan]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

I'm not a Favre guy, but he only has 6 turnovers this year, while Brees has 14.

Favre is a legitimate candidate. So is Brees. I voted for Brees and I honestly think the Vikings are better without Favre than the Saints would be without Brees.

 

[Zigg]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

What puts Rivers in 3rd ahead of Favre?

Less TD passes? More ints? Less wins? I fail to see why you would want to exclude Favre from the discussion while including Rivers... Minni is not winning the division with TJax or Sage at the helm. Put your bias aside and bring something worthwhile to the table.

They won the division with TJax last year! Why do people keep saying this?

 

[kaa]

Rivers could, as well, win the award although he needs a LOT of help.

Actually the case for Rivers as MVP is the fact that he DOESN'T have a lot of help. He's got the Chargers on a 7 game win streak and he's got his team more on his shoulders than anyone else.

 

[Jason Wood]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

I'm not a Favre guy, but he only has 6 turnovers this year, while Brees has 14.

Favre is a legitimate candidate. So is Brees. I voted for Brees and I honestly think the Vikings are better without Favre than the Saints would be without Brees.

It always makes me cringe when we start the whole "take Player X away from Team Y and where would they be?" discussion. Every QB in the MVP hunt is such an integral component of their team, and not just from an onfield perspective, but in the very fabric of how the GM and his staff build out the rest of the roster and structure contracts for other components of the team. Would Minnesota be a contender w/o Favre? Well it's hard to imagine that unless you think Adrian Peterson's year would be materially better with Jackson or Rosenfels under center. And meanwhile you could look at Brees' numbers, and see that he's really maintaining the same level of offensive prowess he's shown for years in New Orleans. The difference this year? They have a defense. So these kinds of things can be argued round and round.

 

[Jason Wood]

Rivers could, as well, win the award although he needs a LOT of help.

Actually the case for Rivers as MVP is the fact that he DOESN'T have a lot of help. He's got the Chargers on a 7 game win streak and he's got his team more on his shoulders than anyone else.

You mistook what I said. I meant Rivers needs a lot of help to vault into the MVP crown, because he's got three QBs with comparable (if not better) numbers on better teams. Again, the season has plenty left. If over the next four weeks, the Chargers win out and the Colts, Saints and Vikings come back to the pack a bit, then yes, Rivers would be in the hunt.

 

[Moldy Potato]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

I'm not a Favre guy, but he only has 6 turnovers this year, while Brees has 14.

And Brees still has a higher QB rating.

 

[gianmarco]

At this point, if both New Orleans and Indy go undefeated, it will be co-MVP---Peyton and Brees. If one team loses, then the undefeated team's QB will win it. If both lose, all bets are off and others may be in the running and/or overall better #'s.

 

[Xue]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

What puts Rivers in 3rd ahead of Favre?

Less TD passes? More ints? Less wins? I fail to see why you would want to exclude Favre from the discussion while including Rivers... Minni is not winning the division with TJax or Sage at the helm. Put your bias aside and bring something worthwhile to the table.

They won the division with TJax last year! Why do people keep saying this?

It was mostly Gus Frerotte, not TJax.

 

[Jason Wood]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

I'm not a Favre guy, but he only has 6 turnovers this year, while Brees has 14.

And Brees still has a higher QB rating.

It's a PASSER rating, not a QB rating.And, more importantly, it hardly is indicative of who does, and who should, win the NFL MVP award (at least in terms of history).Remember, passer rating doesn't account for fumbles (Brees has 4 lost fumbles, Favre only 1).

 

[ADP]

Manning.

Can't believe I am saying this but I think Manning does not get enough credit for what he is doing. I think the fact that he is so good year in and year out is working against him in this poll and in voters minds. People don't realize what he does because they are so used to seeing it from him.

 

[Buffaloes]

I took Brees for now.

What happens if CJ breaks Dickerson's and/or Faulk's records and both the Colts and Saints go undefeated? Far fetched I know, but it's possible. Does' CJ's record breaking season take it or does leading a team to 16-0 take it?

 

[Chaka]

Favre will play himself out of the MVP race by the end of the season.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It is so close between the three QBs, I think enough voters will give the nod to Brees, since he has never won one before and Manning and Favre both already have three, to put him over the top. Really, you could take any of them and not be wrong. Manning will probably still get the slight edge for me, but I think Brees will take it.

CJ and Rivers are worthy candidates, too, but CJ is on a team that will not make the playoffs, and Rivers simply doesn't get the pub and talk that the others do, and there is no way he can catch up to and pass all three in the next month.

 

[Your Mom]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

What puts Rivers in 3rd ahead of Favre?Less TD passes? More ints? Less wins? I fail to see why you would want to exclude Favre from the discussion while including Rivers... Minni is not winning the division with TJax or Sage at the helm. Put your bias aside and bring something worthwhile to the table.

I have no bias. Yes I am a bears fan, but admire favre. He is absolutely fantastic this year. He has great numbers and has done a lot better than i thought. Here is something worthwhile for you. MVP stands for MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Without Favre the Vikings are still a playoff team. They proved that last year. He does make them better, but they still would be a good team. Without Brees/Manning/Rivers those teams are not in the playoffs. So that makes them ahead of Favre for MVP. All 4 of them have great numbers.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh, and Warner should be in the mix, too. Watch Matt Leinart play and it is obvious that the Cardinals would drop off severely if Warner got hurt.

 

[gianmarco]

Any of you think it can't be a Co-MVP again?

 

[Your Mom]

Brees or Manning and no question in my mind it will be one of them.

Agree. Rivers 3rd. Favre is not the MVP. Please stop with him.

I'm not a Favre guy, but he only has 6 turnovers this year, while Brees has 14.

Favre is a legitimate candidate. So is Brees. I voted for Brees and I honestly think the Vikings are better without Favre than the Saints would be without Brees.

It always makes me cringe when we start the whole "take Player X away from Team Y and where would they be?" discussion. Every QB in the MVP hunt is such an integral component of their team, and not just from an onfield perspective, but in the very fabric of how the GM and his staff build out the rest of the roster and structure contracts for other components of the team. Would Minnesota be a contender w/o Favre? Well it's hard to imagine that unless you think Adrian Peterson's year would be materially better with Jackson or Rosenfels under center. And meanwhile you could look at Brees' numbers, and see that he's really maintaining the same level of offensive prowess he's shown for years in New Orleans. The difference this year? They have a defense. So these kinds of things can be argued round and round.

Why does it make you cringe? That is what you have to do to figure out who the MVP is. Of course a Defense and other things help out, but you have to look it at that way to determine MVP. This isn't the MOP. If this was MOP, then I think Favre would have just as good a chance as any.

 

[Moldy Potato]

At this point, if both New Orleans and Indy go undefeated, it will be co-MVP---Peyton and Brees. If one team loses, then the undefeated team's QB will win it. If both lose, all bets are off and others may be in the running and/or overall better #'s.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's only co-MVP if the votes just happen to get split evenly between two candidates. It's not like they plan to have a co-MVP, as your post suggests.

 

[Chase Stuart]

At this point, if both New Orleans and Indy go undefeated, it will be co-MVP---Peyton and Brees. If one team loses, then the undefeated team's QB will win it. If both lose, all bets are off and others may be in the running and/or overall better #'s.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's only co-MVP if the votes just happen to get split evenly between two candidates. It's not like they plan to have a co-MVP, as your post suggests.

 

[Chase Stuart]

If I was ranking the QB's stats, I'd go:

1) Brees

2) Rivers

3) Manning

4) Favre

Rivers has an incredible INT rate and is averaging nearly 9 yards per pass, which is why I'd now put him ahead of the other two.

Moving past the stats, I don't use the "how would team X do without this player", because a player shouldn't be penalized for being on a good team. I look at MVP as best player. Who has the best weapons of this bunch? WRs/OL/pass catching RBs/TEs? That's really tough to say.

Manning has the best 1-2 (Wayne-Clark), but maybe the least deep bunch. Brees definitely has the deepest crew. Rivers has some great targets and an okay offensive line. Favre has some great playmakers but not necessarily any polished receivers. I'm not sure how to rank the OLs or the offensive weapons as a whole. Because of that, I'd put Brees as my MVP.

 

[Your Mom]

If I was ranking the QB's stats, I'd go:1) Brees2) Rivers3) Manning4) FavreRivers has an incredible INT rate and is averaging nearly 9 yards per pass, which is why I'd now put him ahead of the other two.Moving past the stats, I don't use the "how would team X do without this player", because a player shouldn't be penalized for being on a good team. I look at MVP as best player. Who has the best weapons of this bunch? WRs/OL/pass catching RBs/TEs? That's really tough to say. Manning has the best 1-2 (Wayne-Clark), but maybe the least deep bunch. Brees definitely has the deepest crew. Rivers has some great targets and an okay offensive line. Favre has some great playmakers but not necessarily any polished receivers. I'm not sure how to rank the OLs or the offensive weapons as a whole. Because of that, I'd put Brees as my MVP.

You can not look at MVP as the best player. That is not the award. It is most valuable. I agree with the rest of you analysis, but you are describing the MOP, not the MVP.

 

[Chase Stuart]

If I was ranking the QB's stats, I'd go:1) Brees2) Rivers3) Manning4) FavreRivers has an incredible INT rate and is averaging nearly 9 yards per pass, which is why I'd now put him ahead of the other two.Moving past the stats, I don't use the "how would team X do without this player", because a player shouldn't be penalized for being on a good team. I look at MVP as best player. Who has the best weapons of this bunch? WRs/OL/pass catching RBs/TEs? That's really tough to say. Manning has the best 1-2 (Wayne-Clark), but maybe the least deep bunch. Brees definitely has the deepest crew. Rivers has some great targets and an okay offensive line. Favre has some great playmakers but not necessarily any polished receivers. I'm not sure how to rank the OLs or the offensive weapons as a whole. Because of that, I'd put Brees as my MVP.

You can not look at MVP as the best player. That is not the award. It is most valuable. I agree with the rest of you analysis, but you are describing the MOP, not the MVP.

I know. I don't think there's a difference. If you're the best player, you're the most valuable. If you're the most valuable player, there's no one better than you. That's how I see it.

 

[spider321]

Chris Johnson has been the best player in the NFL this season.

He SHOULD win the MVP.

I know he won't.

 

[Your Mom]

If I was ranking the QB's stats, I'd go:1) Brees2) Rivers3) Manning4) FavreRivers has an incredible INT rate and is averaging nearly 9 yards per pass, which is why I'd now put him ahead of the other two.Moving past the stats, I don't use the "how would team X do without this player", because a player shouldn't be penalized for being on a good team. I look at MVP as best player. Who has the best weapons of this bunch? WRs/OL/pass catching RBs/TEs? That's really tough to say. Manning has the best 1-2 (Wayne-Clark), but maybe the least deep bunch. Brees definitely has the deepest crew. Rivers has some great targets and an okay offensive line. Favre has some great playmakers but not necessarily any polished receivers. I'm not sure how to rank the OLs or the offensive weapons as a whole. Because of that, I'd put Brees as my MVP.

You can not look at MVP as the best player. That is not the award. It is most valuable. I agree with the rest of you analysis, but you are describing the MOP, not the MVP.

I know. I don't think there's a difference. If you're the best player, you're the most valuable. If you're the most valuable player, there's no one better than you. That's how I see it.

Fair enough. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If I was ranking the QB's stats, I'd go:1) Brees2) Rivers3) Manning4) FavreRivers has an incredible INT rate and is averaging nearly 9 yards per pass, which is why I'd now put him ahead of the other two.Moving past the stats, I don't use the "how would team X do without this player", because a player shouldn't be penalized for being on a good team. I look at MVP as best player. Who has the best weapons of this bunch? WRs/OL/pass catching RBs/TEs? That's really tough to say. Manning has the best 1-2 (Wayne-Clark), but maybe the least deep bunch. Brees definitely has the deepest crew. Rivers has some great targets and an okay offensive line. Favre has some great playmakers but not necessarily any polished receivers. I'm not sure how to rank the OLs or the offensive weapons as a whole. Because of that, I'd put Brees as my MVP.

I'd obviously love to see Rivers win MVP, but even I have a hard time putting him above Favre at this point. Rivers' Y/A is significantly higher than Favre's, but does that really outweigh Favre's additional 5 TDs and 3 fewer TOs?

 

[craxie]

Rivers' Y/A is significantly higher than Favre's, but does that really outweigh Favre's additional 5 TDs and 3 fewer TOs?

DVOA says YESThe Charger's passing offense is #1 and it's not even close.

What makes this even more remarkable is that their rushing offense ranks #30, so Rivers is getting ZERO help from a credible running game to take the pressure off.

Not only is their rushing #30, their defense is #25 and their special teams is #23.

This is a downright BAD team, EXCEPT for the minor fact that they're currently the #2 seed in the AFC.

A truly remarkable achievement that shows just how dominant Rivers has been