Who is the more talented RB, T Jones or Benson? (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

 

[Da Guru]

Thomas Jones has really impressed me since being with the Bears.

 

[DoubleG]

If this were a poll, it would be FLA\/\/ed. (No offense to the original poster) - you virtually have no point (well, no valid one) of comparison. Benson held out, got in late, played a little, then got hurt. At this point you'd either have to say "No idea" or "Thomas Jones, as he has actually played in the NFL for at least one full season"

 

[Todem]

As of today no doubt in my mind,

Thomas Jones is better NFL RB. He is quicker, can run tough as well and is underrated as a pass catcher and pass blocker. Benson on the other hand has shown me nothing. Zilch. I watched him at Texas and he looked very good. But that was college.

If they would utilize Jones a little more in the passing game and he had a strong hold on the job ( which is he does in my eyes this year) he would be a top 10 pick this year no question in my mind.

 

[NYG Endzone]

If this were a poll, it would be FLA\/\/ed. (No offense to the original poster) - you virtually have no point (well, no valid one) of comparison. Benson held out, got in late, played a little, then got hurt. At this point you'd either have to say "No idea" or "Thomas Jones, as he has actually played in the NFL for at least one full season"

 

[Steelers4Life]

I put this in the other thread, but...

I believe Benson may be a stronger inside runner, but I believe that's the only advantage he might have on Jones. Jones is better running to the edges, catching passes, and blocking, and it's not like he's a weak runner inside, either.

At this point, I don't see how Benson's potential to be a slightly better runner between the tackles is enough to offset everything else that Jones does better.

 

[Todem]

I put this in the other thread, but...I believe Benson may be a stronger inside runner, but I believe that's the only advantage he might have on Jones. Jones is better running to the edges, catching passes, and blocking, and it's not like he's a weak runner inside, either.At this point, I don't see how Benson's potential to be a slightly better runner between the tackles is enough to offset everything else that Jones does better.

 

[perry147]

Here I'll try again. I've not created a poll since FBGs made some changes to how polls are created. If I screw this up again, I'll ask the moderators to delete it.

Talented <> Fits the system the best.

 

[Otis]

Set up us teh awesome pole!

 

[imeimex]

Can we take away TO's attitude BS also. Do you think he would have been cut from the Eagles without the attitude BS. We don't live in a vacuum so the attitude BS has to be included in the situation.

Thomas Jones has been the Bears offensive MVP the last two years, Benson has started exactly one game and did not make it to half time. I own Benson in a dynasty and a keeper league and I would like to see him perform well, but he continues to hurt his stock.

My vote is for Thomas Jones, until Benson can prove that he won't go the way of Curtis Enis and Rashaan Salaam.

 

[DoctorFantasy]

I put this in the other thread, but...I believe Benson may be a stronger inside runner, but I believe that's the only advantage he might have on Jones. Jones is better running to the edges, catching passes, and blocking, and it's not like he's a weak runner inside, either.At this point, I don't see how Benson's potential to be a slightly better runner between the tackles is enough to offset everything else that Jones does better.

 

[Otis]

I put this in the other thread, but...I believe Benson may be a stronger inside runner, but I believe that's the only advantage he might have on Jones. Jones is better running to the edges, catching passes, and blocking, and it's not like he's a weak runner inside, either.At this point, I don't see how Benson's potential to be a slightly better runner between the tackles is enough to offset everything else that Jones does better.

 

[Steelers4Life]

I put this in the other thread, but...I believe Benson may be a stronger inside runner, but I believe that's the only advantage he might have on Jones. Jones is better running to the edges, catching passes, and blocking, and it's not like he's a weak runner inside, either.At this point, I don't see how Benson's potential to be a slightly better runner between the tackles is enough to offset everything else that Jones does better.

LOL, thanks guys. He said to do it without factoring in attitude, which at this point also favors Jones - at least in my opinion.

 

[radballs]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

Edited to say that I tried to make this a poll, but was unsuccessful.

Johnny, Next time don't be so transparent about whom you prefer when setting up a "non-biased" poll. You're a Benson dynasty owner and you'll be disappointed once again this year.

 

[Otis]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

Edited to say that I tried to make this a poll, but was unsuccessful.

Johnny, Next time don't be so transparent about whom you prefer when setting up a "non-biased" poll. You're a Benson dynasty owner and you'll be disappointed once again this year.

Seriously. Could this guy's agenda be any more obvious??My imaginary supermodel girlfriend is less transparent.

 

[JohnnyU]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

Edited to say that I tried to make this a poll, but was unsuccessful.

Johnny, Next time don't be so transparent about whom you prefer when setting up a "non-biased" poll. You're a Benson dynasty owner and you'll be disappointed once again this year.

Of course it's obvious I'm a Benson owner. I'm up front about that. If this is not the year for Benson, I'll just have to wait now won't I? I guess I still have memories of the sucky Thomas Jones, not last year's TJ. Everyone wants to point out that Benson hasn't done anything yet in the NFL, so I'll agree with that, but he also hasn't stunk up the NFL like TJ did with Arizona.

 

[JohnnyU]

Seriously. Could this guy's agenda be any more obvious??

...and your point is? Of course I'm a Benson owner, and he's on my team because I think he is one hell of a RB.

 

[JohnnyU]

What is the ADP for both players in dynasty leagues?

 

[Steelers4Life]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

Edited to say that I tried to make this a poll, but was unsuccessful.

Johnny, Next time don't be so transparent about whom you prefer when setting up a "non-biased" poll. You're a Benson dynasty owner and you'll be disappointed once again this year.

Of course it's obvious I'm a Benson owner. I'm up front about that. If this is not the year for Benson, I'll just have to wait now won't I? I guess I still have memories of the sucky Thomas Jones, not last year's TJ. Everyone wants to point out that Benson hasn't done anything yet in the NFL, so I'll agree with that, but he also hasn't stunk up the NFL like TJ did with Arizona.

Chuck, in case you haven't noticed, TJ then went on to have success in Tampa Bay and over the past 2 years in Chicago.LOL, it's time accept it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

Edited to say that I tried to make this a poll, but was unsuccessful.

Johnny, Next time don't be so transparent about whom you prefer when setting up a "non-biased" poll. You're a Benson dynasty owner and you'll be disappointed once again this year.

Of course it's obvious I'm a Benson owner. I'm up front about that. If this is not the year for Benson, I'll just have to wait now won't I? I guess I still have memories of the sucky Thomas Jones, not last year's TJ. Everyone wants to point out that Benson hasn't done anything yet in the NFL, so I'll agree with that, but he also hasn't stunk up the NFL like TJ did with Arizona.

Chuck, in case you haven't noticed, TJ then went on to have success in Tampa Bay and over the past 2 years in Chicago.LOL, it's time accept it.

What's the ADP for Jones and Benson in dynasty leagues?

 

[coolnerd]

Some of the answers are confusing raw talent with pure production which are two different issues. In terms of their raw physical skills to be NFL Rbs they are pretty close with maybe the slightest edge to Benson. Both were top 10 picks. Thomas Jones has been the more productive NFL runner, but he had to overcome his own slow start to a career. Remember Thomas Jones was four or five years into becoming one of the great all-time non-injured RB busts. My memory could be corrected by a Cardinals fan, but as i recall Jones wasn't the picture maturity himself the first couple of years in his career.

Benson needs to grow up no doubt, but anyone thinking that the Bears are going to have another year of all thomas Jones , most of the time is surely mistaken.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

Edited to say that I tried to make this a poll, but was unsuccessful.

Johnny, Next time don't be so transparent about whom you prefer when setting up a "non-biased" poll. You're a Benson dynasty owner and you'll be disappointed once again this year.

Of course it's obvious I'm a Benson owner. I'm up front about that. If this is not the year for Benson, I'll just have to wait now won't I? I guess I still have memories of the sucky Thomas Jones, not last year's TJ. Everyone wants to point out that Benson hasn't done anything yet in the NFL, so I'll agree with that, but he also hasn't stunk up the NFL like TJ did with Arizona.

Chuck, in case you haven't noticed, TJ then went on to have success in Tampa Bay and over the past 2 years in Chicago.LOL, it's time accept it.

What's the ADP for Jones and Benson in dynasty leagues?

Not sure, to be honest. I'd guess Benson is drafted higher, probably because there's at least someone who really believes in him in every league. He's younger, had a lot of hype coming out of college, and everyone wants the next big thing without considering the guy who's already established. Just makes Jones an even MORE valuable pick. You certainly weren't alone in believing the job would clearly be Benson's by now. I'm sure ownership would love to see their $17 million man producing, but Lovie and the coaching staff will play whoever they feel gives them the best chance to win.

 

[JohnnyU]

Lovie and the coaching staff will play whoever they feel gives them the best chance to win.

...and since Benson hasn't been given his chance yet, we don't really know "who gives them the best chance to win". I would bet more goes into these types of decisions other than "who gives them the best chance to win". Just look at Mooch last year in Detroit, did Bryson "give them the best chance to win"?

 

[redman]

Who is more talented, Warren Moon or Jeff George?

Talent only gets you so far. You have to actually be in a position to use the talent successfully. Benson is presently failing at that.

 

[JohnnyU]

Who is more talented, Warren Moon or Jeff George? Talent only gets you so far. You have to actually be in a position to use the talent successfully. Benson is presently failing at that.

George was immature for his entire career. I don't think it's time to roast Cedric Benson's career just yet. How old is he for crying out loud?

 

[ookook]

Does NFL experience count as "talent" or is this supposed to be based on some sort of raw physical ability?

 

[Steelers4Life]

Lovie and the coaching staff will play whoever they feel gives them the best chance to win.

...and since Benson hasn't been given his chance yet, we don't really know "who gives them the best chance to win". I would bet more goes into these types of decisions other than "who gives them the best chance to win". Just look at Mooch last year in Detroit, did Bryson "give them the best chance to win"?

Well, the way Kevin Jones was running, he very well might have. I understand that Benson hasn't been given his chance yet. The thing is, being drafted 4th overall and signing a big contract isn't going to get him that chance on it's own. He's gotta go out and earn it by outperforming Jones. Some think he can do it, some don't. Aside from being a marginally better inside runner, I fail to see what Benson would do better than Jones. Outside running, blocking, receiving... all advantages to Jones, so he'll have to be SIGNIFICANTLY better running inside for the Bears to be better off with him on the field. It guarantees that EVENTUALLY he'll get a chance, but he's not trying to replace an average RB.. he's trying to take the place of a very productive and respected team leader.

 

[ravnzfan]

Lovie and the coaching staff will play whoever they feel gives them the best chance to win.

...and since Benson hasn't been given his chance yet, we don't really know "who gives them the best chance to win". I would bet more goes into these types of decisions other than "who gives them the best chance to win". Just look at Mooch last year in Detroit, did Bryson "give them the best chance to win"?

I think he's been given an opportunity, which he's doing a very nice job of squatting onBenson is more Ricky Williams than he is Priest Holmes

HUGE talent with no head/heart

good luck w/that

 

[JohnnyU]

Lovie and the coaching staff will play whoever they feel gives them the best chance to win.

...and since Benson hasn't been given his chance yet, we don't really know "who gives them the best chance to win". I would bet more goes into these types of decisions other than "who gives them the best chance to win". Just look at Mooch last year in Detroit, did Bryson "give them the best chance to win"?

Well, the way Kevin Jones was running, he very well might have. I understand that Benson hasn't been given his chance yet. The thing is, being drafted 4th overall and signing a big contract isn't going to get him that chance on it's own. He's gotta go out and earn it by outperforming Jones. Some think he can do it, some don't. Aside from being a marginally better inside runner, I fail to see what Benson would do better than Jones. Outside running, blocking, receiving... all advantages to Jones, so he'll have to be SIGNIFICANTLY better running inside for the Bears to be better off with him on the field. It guarantees that EVENTUALLY he'll get a chance, but he's not trying to replace an average RB.. he's trying to take the place of a very productive and respected team leader.

I see Benson as talented as LJ. Your assessment of TJ being better at this or that isn't necessarily true IMO. In the long run that will be proven. Cedric Benson will be the better "running back". Emphasize the word "running".

 

[redman]

Who is more talented, Warren Moon or Jeff George? Talent only gets you so far. You have to actually be in a position to use the talent successfully. Benson is presently failing at that.

George was immature for his entire career. I don't think it's time to roast Cedric Benson's career just yet. How old is he for crying out loud?

Who's roasting his career? You asked for a present day assessment of two RB's, and you're getting it. I'm not saying he can't turn it around, but he needs an attitude adjustment ASAP for that to happen.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Lovie and the coaching staff will play whoever they feel gives them the best chance to win.

...and since Benson hasn't been given his chance yet, we don't really know "who gives them the best chance to win". I would bet more goes into these types of decisions other than "who gives them the best chance to win". Just look at Mooch last year in Detroit, did Bryson "give them the best chance to win"?

Well, the way Kevin Jones was running, he very well might have. I understand that Benson hasn't been given his chance yet. The thing is, being drafted 4th overall and signing a big contract isn't going to get him that chance on it's own. He's gotta go out and earn it by outperforming Jones. Some think he can do it, some don't. Aside from being a marginally better inside runner, I fail to see what Benson would do better than Jones. Outside running, blocking, receiving... all advantages to Jones, so he'll have to be SIGNIFICANTLY better running inside for the Bears to be better off with him on the field. It guarantees that EVENTUALLY he'll get a chance, but he's not trying to replace an average RB.. he's trying to take the place of a very productive and respected team leader.

I see Benson as talented as LJ. Your assessment of TJ being better at this or that isn't necessarily true IMO. In the long run that will be proven.

Well, if you see Benson as being that talented, you'll obviously disagree. Everyone has opinions. Not a big deal either way.

 

[JohnnyU]

Who is more talented, Warren Moon or Jeff George? Talent only gets you so far. You have to actually be in a position to use the talent successfully. Benson is presently failing at that.

George was immature for his entire career. I don't think it's time to roast Cedric Benson's career just yet. How old is he for crying out loud?

Who's roasting his career? You asked for a present day assessment of two RB's, and you're getting it. I'm not saying he can't turn it around, but he needs an attitude adjustment ASAP for that to happen.

When you use an analogy of George to Benson, that does imply you are roasting his career. We all know George had a bad attitude for his entire career.Edited to say that Warren Moon was more talented than Jeff George. He threw the prettiest long ball of anyone in history.

 

[JohnnyU]

Moderators, can you merge the other poll with this one? Looks like gocats saw that I was having trouble creating the poll initially and created another one a few minutes after I was finally able to create this poll. Thanks.

 

[TheFanatic]

If this were a poll, it would be FLA\/\/ed. (No offense to the original poster) - you virtually have no point (well, no valid one) of comparison. Benson held out, got in late, played a little, then got hurt. At this point you'd either have to say "No idea" or "Thomas Jones, as he has actually played in the NFL for at least one full season"

I've been avoiding this thread all day. It's a very tough thing to consider. Different running styles (pounder vs. pass catching back). One has flopped so far in his brief career. Jones was in about the same situation after his first year in terms of progress toward the HOF (which is no progress for either). 2 teams later TJ has done well. Benson is looking for his chance. 1 was a top 5 pick. I think the other was a top 7 pick. Who's more talented? I have no idea. From what I've seen, I would say Jones as of right now. But if you asked who was more talented after 1 season in the league, Jones or Cedric what would you say?As a point in time question, Jones. In a few years Benson could have his 3rd 1500 yard season under his belt and be a multi year pro-bowler. Who knows....

 

[Gandalf]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

I don't believe that's possible. How can you take someone's personality, work ethic, common sense out of the formula for talent? If you're asking whose physically the better athlete, then I'd say Benson. But Jones is the more talented RB.

 

[redman]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

I don't believe that's possible. How can you take someone's personality, work ethic, common sense out of the formula for talent? If you're asking whose physically the better athlete, then I'd say Benson. But Jones is the more talented RB.

Agreed, which is why I mentioned Jeff George. As much or more than any other major sport, football is a team game. Physical talent is only part of the basis for success. JohnnyU, I know that you bristled at the George comparison, but it's entirely accurate that Benson's 15 months in the NFL have very much resembled George and his persona. George never changed; Benson can, but given that he even to this day has never taken ownership of his shortcomings, he's not headed in that direction as of yet.

 

[gocats]

I put this in the other thread, but...I believe Benson may be a stronger inside runner, but I believe that's the only advantage he might have on Jones. Jones is better running to the edges, catching passes, and blocking, and it's not like he's a weak runner inside, either.At this point, I don't see how Benson's potential to be a slightly better runner between the tackles is enough to offset everything else that Jones does better.

X 100 Very well said

 

[pizzatyme]

Who is more talented, Warren Moon or Jeff George? Talent only gets you so far. You have to actually be in a position to use the talent successfully. Benson is presently failing at that.

George was immature for his entire career. I don't think it's time to roast Cedric Benson's career just yet. How old is he for crying out loud?

Who's roasting his career? You asked for a present day assessment of two RB's, and you're getting it. I'm not saying he can't turn it around, but he needs an attitude adjustment ASAP for that to happen.

When you use an analogy of George to Benson, that does imply you are roasting his career. We all know George had a bad attitude for his entire career.Edited to say that Warren Moon was more talented than Jeff George. He threw the prettiest long ball of anyone in history.

I'd argue that Jeff's long ball was just as good as Moon's. I played 2 years of ball with Jeff, and yes, he was a self centered, immature, egotistical jerk. But his passes were sweet!

 

[cr8f]

Factor in contract and how much Benson's teammates dislike him. Both are talented, but there are other issues.

Great players make those around them better because they want them to succceed. Look at Barlow and how he alienated his teammates too.

 

[cr8f]

Set aside the attitude bs, and vote on talent alone.

Because of your attitude I voted Jones. Kind of like how the Bears team flocks to Jones because they don't like Benson.

 

[chris1969]

It doesn't matter, neither of them will be playing for the Bears 3 years from now.