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renesauz
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Going out on a limb a little with McNabb as top QB. (preparing to get trashed).
I think the Philly recieving corps is being badly undervalued as a group, and DMac has a huge chip on his shoulder after last year. The O-Line was already good, and appears to be deeper this year.
I also don't quite buy into the Manning hype...that he will approach a carreer year since Edge is gone.
I simply trust Holt more then the other choices at WR.
LJ will be a common choice at RB, and needs no explanation.
I think the Philly recieving corps is being badly undervalued as a group, and DMac has a huge chip on his shoulder after last year. The O-Line was already good, and appears to be deeper this year.
I also don't quite buy into the Manning hype...that he will approach a carreer year since Edge is gone.
I simply trust Holt more then the other choices at WR.
LJ will be a common choice at RB, and needs no explanation.
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Thats exactly how I voted.PortisMossManningI'm awfully surprised that Moss is winning the WR poll.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Quit showing off. 
The Mechanic
Footballguy
LJ. pure power and hunger
Holt, no def. should be in shootouts a lot
P.Manning. Could be another TD record year if the running game stalls
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Holt, no def. should be in shootouts a lot
P.Manning. Could be another TD record year if the running game stalls
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Ditto.I think Randy Moss is the value play of the year since he's falling into the 3rd round in many drafts.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Tom Brady [ 6 ] [4.65%]
Matt Hasselbeck [ 3 ] [2.33%]
Carson Palmer [ 3 ] [2.33%]
Michael Vick [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Donovan McNabb [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Marc Bulger [ 3 ] [2.33%]
Jake Delhomme [ 1 ] [0.78%]
Aaron Brooks [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Kurt Warner [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Jake Plummer [ 1 ] [0.78%]
Other (please specify below) [ 1 ] [0.78%]
Brady has fans, Palmer if healthy has a chance to be #1, Delhomme has Smith+ now, Brooks has Moss. WTF does Plummer have?
Matt Hasselbeck [ 3 ] [2.33%]
Carson Palmer [ 3 ] [2.33%]
Michael Vick [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Donovan McNabb [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Marc Bulger [ 3 ] [2.33%]
Jake Delhomme [ 1 ] [0.78%]
Aaron Brooks [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Kurt Warner [ 2 ] [1.55%]
Jake Plummer [ 1 ] [0.78%]
Other (please specify below) [ 1 ] [0.78%]
Brady has fans, Palmer if healthy has a chance to be #1, Delhomme has Smith+ now, Brooks has Moss. WTF does Plummer have?
Defending Champs
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Warpig
Footballguy
Wow! Even with how the Chiefs O-line is in shambles LJ is still being picked #1 overall RB? You have the Roaf retirement, and now hoping for a return to form from Turley, then you now have Waters with a recurring foot injury that may or may not keep him out of the beginning of the season. I voted Mr. Dependable LT. He's proven he can put up stellar numbers with no O-line and a questionable QB.
Went with Steve Smith at WR but was torn between he and CJ. The signing of Keyshawn doesn't bother me a bit since he may not even be the #2 at the start of the year.
QB? How about the guy that has thrown for over 4,000 yards and 30 TD's almost every year he's been in the league. He may even run a couple in this year with the loss of Edge.
Went with Steve Smith at WR but was torn between he and CJ. The signing of Keyshawn doesn't bother me a bit since he may not even be the #2 at the start of the year.
QB? How about the guy that has thrown for over 4,000 yards and 30 TD's almost every year he's been in the league. He may even run a couple in this year with the loss of Edge.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Oh, that's right. Leagues still go 4pt passing TDs. Reason #496 why this is the dumbest thing going in FF.
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Philly Hater
Footballguy
LT
Holt
Manning
Holt
Manning
Chaka
Footballguy
Maybe not but he is as close as you can get to a guaranteed top 3 finish. Ditto for not getting injured. He might be the safest pick in the draft...again.
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MLBrandow
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He was also sacked 29 times IIRC, most in his career. That's why they drafted Addai. Rhodes can't pass block. But he can run fine, and as such, you'll likely see a decrease in TDs before you see a monumental increase.QB: Palmer - defense problems out the wazoo, starting week 1.
RB: Larry Johnson - no surprise here.
WR: Torry Holt - Linehan loves to pass, Holt loves to catch, has an emerging WR2 & declining WR2. Gold mine.
Chaka
Footballguy
29 times? Try 17 including 6 games with no sacks at all (and that is not including week 16 v Seattle when he only attempted 12 passes).I think Palmer is fantastic but with the knee still uncertain (despite what you say) you can have him. Besides how do we know Palmer isn't the Dexy's Midnight Runners of QBs? I do not believe he is but until he does it again we wont know.
Cinci and Indy have comparable enough defenses going into this season. Indy finished 16 & 15 (run/pass) Cinci (20 & 26). Works out to 31 yards per game. I cannot say with confidence that those numbers wont swing this year, can you?
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trader jake
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1) depends on scoring system because he has in our league2) it would help if he played all 16 games each season. the past two he has basically sat out week 17
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MelvinTScupper
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now a distant 6thPortisMossManningI'm awfully surprised that Moss is winning the WR poll.
jurb26
Footballguy
Thats where I would have expected him to be. 6 or 7 in this poll.now a distant 6thPortisMossManningI'm awfully surprised that Moss is winning the WR poll.
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MelvinTScupper
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me too. Fair.Thats where I would have expected him to be. 6 or 7 in this poll.now a distant 6thPortisMossManningI'm awfully surprised that Moss is winning the WR poll.
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MLBrandow
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Try reading all of the quoted information. I was referring to the aforementioned 2001 campaign when Edge went down.As per defensive similarities, Indy's was a lot better than middle of the pack last year. They averaged 13.8 points allowed last year in their 13 meaningful games, nearly half of which (6 games) they held opposing offenses to under 10 points.
By contrast, Cincinnati's defense averaged 20.7 points allowed. That's a full touchdown (6.9 points) above what the Colts averaged. That's not close at all.
Add to that the off-field problems for a few projected starters (Odell Thurman particularly, who may not play this year as speculated), I certainly see room for a stats swing.
And, if you didn't know, Quarterbacks don't throw with their knees, and Palmer isn't exactly a scrambler. His knee is fine and his #2 WR just bet his paycheck that he'd be fine and starting for the opener, and the #1 WR is chuckling about pain in his fingers from Palmer's throwing so hard.
I happen to trust the men catching TDs from him more than "Generic Forum Poster 6480".
When Manning threw 49 TDs he wasn't even the #1 fantasy QB. Sure he's reliable, but he'll miss the #1 QB again this year because a) his defense is better than it was, b) he has two RBs now that are good instead of one, and c) Palmer will have to put up more points this year than last year, because his defense, with the notable subtraction of now cracked-out and former emerging all-world MLB Odell Thurman, has regressed.
Hey, pop quiz Mr. Number Cruncher. Who was it that finished as the #1 fantasy QB last year?
And don't give me the "oh Peyton sat out the last two games" because Palmer sat out the last game, and he flat out beat him in PPG with 21.35 to Manning's 20.93 (ss).
Would you like to try validating your excuses again? I can't seem to find any accuracy in your reasoning.
add: I believe the paramount gap in #1QB voting is due to a trio of misconceptions pervading the minds of the voters: 1) Manning will throw more due to the loss of Edge. 2) Palmer is not fine. 3) Manning always finishes #1.
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SSOG
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Read the Denver camp reports. It's looking like Javon Walker will be 100% this year, and Rod Smith is still defying his age, and the new TE (Scheffler) has hands that are apparently literally made out of glue (remind me not to shake his hand if I meet him). Add the possibility of Lelie lining up in the slot and just running straight downfield on every play, and Denver's receiving options could be deadly. Plummer was top-5 two years ago, and I wouldn't be too shocked if he finished #1 this year. I really don't expect him to, but I think a top-6 finish is looking likely.Again, I don't agree with it, I'm just offering the reasoning behind it.
Exactly how I voted.I have to say, I am *SHOCKED* by how much love Holt is getting in this thread. He's not leading in the polls, but he's the #1 mentioned WR so far in the thread.
Crimedogg32
Footballguy
Alexander, Holt, Bulger and no I dont love the Rams
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
For the love of ...
if we've learned ANYTHING at all in this forum, it's that if you want a ranking (relative or absolute) you NEED to include the scoring system!
someone might have LT > LJ in PPR leagues, but not for non-PPR.
someone might have a running QB > Manning in 3 pt pass, 6 pt rushing TDs / 1 per 50 pass, 1 per 10 rush leagues.
some guidelines PLEASE
if we've learned ANYTHING at all in this forum, it's that if you want a ranking (relative or absolute) you NEED to include the scoring system!
someone might have LT > LJ in PPR leagues, but not for non-PPR.
someone might have a running QB > Manning in 3 pt pass, 6 pt rushing TDs / 1 per 50 pass, 1 per 10 rush leagues.
some guidelines PLEASE
SSOG
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If no scoring system is provided, always assume standard FBGs scoring.
Chaka
Footballguy
I shouldn't be shocked that when you cannot reinforce your argument you resort to insults. Yeesh, internet boldness is tiresome.I take everything anyone says coming out of training camp with a grain of salt and you should too. Belichick ring a bell? Shanahan? You think they are going to say "Gee Carson is throwing bullets but I am concerned that he is limping off the practice field and spending six hours in the whirlpool everyday."? C'mon ML (or should I resort to using your member number?) you should know better.
I was impressed with Indy's PPG yielded last year too, shocked is more accurate as were most people. They have Freeny but they lost their best linebacker, Thornton who unlike Thurman in Cinci (who is a true knucklehead) I can guarantee he will not play for Indy this year. Their secondary is small and very slow at the safeties and there is neither a Ronde Barber nor a John Lynch in the secondary to inspire anyone to believe that they will be anything other than decent at the very best in the back seven going into this season. Cinci has done everything it can to sabotage itself with all the arrests, and for some reason you choose to read this as them being more likely to be playing from behind this season, propping up Palmer's numbers, rather than having a teamwide implosion because of the lack of institutional control being demonstrated by management. Fine to each their own.
And I know that in many scoring systems Palmer finished #1. If he wasn't coming off major reconstruction of two knee ligaments I might have him as my number one QB too (at least #2). And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. Bottom line this is a team with a ton of talent but is primed for collapse unless something is done by the coaching staff to demonstrate that they, and not the inmates (literally) are running asylum.
The talent is there but you would be foolish to ignore the red flags.
Also for some reason according to you Palmer will throw more because Thruman may not play but Manning will not because of the loss of Thornton (you did not say the second part so I will give you a mulligan because maybe you forgot about Thornton). Okay, fine. And apparently it seems that Manning will throw less (or perhaps you meant less effectively) due to the loss of Edge. But should we believe that Palmer will throw more because he has a reliable ground attack? I am not alone in thinking the Colts will have to rely on Manning's arm in the absence of Edge. It should also be noted that Manning is a far superior QB today than he was when Edge blew out his knee.
No one has said Manning always finishes #1 but he is the only QB aside from Hasselbeck who does not have big question marks coming into the season. You can choose to see them or not, that's great.
And finally don't resort to veiled insults during what is supposed to be a discussion on the merits of player A vs. player B. This is not the Jungle and Jim Rome's schtick is passe. Insults and foul language are a sign of a weak intellect and I am guessing you do not think that about yourself so why not try to demonstrate that to others.
Jeebus whatever happened to simple human courtesy?
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SSOG
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Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
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FUBAR
Footballguy
I think we just have one Denver homer, but nice try.Snake may be a sleeper pick, but does he even go top 5 or 10 in drafts?Read the Denver camp reports. It's looking like Javon Walker will be 100% this year, and Rod Smith is still defying his age, and the new TE (Scheffler) has hands that are apparently literally made out of glue (remind me not to shake his hand if I meet him). Add the possibility of Lelie lining up in the slot and just running straight downfield on every play, and Denver's receiving options could be deadly. Plummer was top-5 two years ago, and I wouldn't be too shocked if he finished #1 this year. I really don't expect him to, but I think a top-6 finish is looking likely.Again, I don't agree with it, I'm just offering the reasoning behind it.
Chaka
Footballguy
That explains why I am always in a good mood after I call Microsoft tech support.
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